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Rather then the grainy ‘flat’ images produced by the 2D scanners …. a 4D machine stitches together pictures taken from a variety of angles to create clear three-dimensional images.
Here, take a look at unborn Leo Hargreaves, from England ……. at 31 weeks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjiBl4VacbU&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUdV_dJ8tfxSKzixolBKKdxg
HE. IS. SMILING.
Now, pro-abortion folks … errr, excuse me, pro-choice folks …….. will say that’s not a human being, it’s just a 31 week old blob of cells, and that if the mother chooses to allow a doctor to put a scalpel in her vagina and cut that thing into little pieces, and then suck out the remains via a vacuum cleaner ….. well, dagnabbit, that’s HER RIGHT!!
Which leads me to the question in the title of this post; how is it possible that a blob of protoplasm can display the HUMAN emotion of smiling?
If you are Pro-Choice, does this video change anything … anything at all … for you?
It’s just gas.
I smile like that after a good fart too.
He won’t be smiling once he experiences the UK medical system.
Nothing like an abortion thread after a race thread over the weekend.
Stuck really knows how to stir the drink.
Why are Neegrows such good dancers?
Cause they get a lot of practice moving their legs – to avoid the coat hanger!
Stuck, at 31 weeks, that would be considered a “late term” abortion, which most pro-choice people do not support. That was a big issue here in IL when Obama was just a state senator here; he advocated for allowing those (including the controversial partial-birth method). How that never made national news during the 2008 election was a clear indication of the media’s collusion to make him president.
Most of the abortions in the U.S. are done at less than 6 weeks.
Couple of things I want to say here…. First off I just finished reading your article about how much better it was when ‘gooberment’ didn’t tell you what to do with your body and I whole heartedly agreed. I am pro-freedom which is why I am pro-choice. But pro-choice doesn’t mean you love abortions or would even ever have one it means you beleive in the freedom to make a choice. Personally I had a child at 17 an am now pregnant again at 22. I wanted to be a mother and that was my choice. The lives of countless children born to mothers who don’t want to be mothers are often an absolute miserable horror show. If you think ” well that’s where cps comes in I’ll refer you back to the ‘gooberment’ argument because that’s always a horror show too. If a woman’s that selfish, that’s her choice and I support that too because I’m pro-freedom even for the assholes.
Somewhat less relevant I don’t think any of the 50 states allow abortions so late in pregnancy that the baby would survive outside the mother, as a baby at 31 weeks surely would.
I’m not sure how you can be against government control of your body and then say abortion should be illegal. To me that’s contradictory. You either beleive in full individual freedom and self determination Or you don’t. You can’t take away the choices of others due to your disdain for those choices… Otherwise you’d be living in modern day America 😉
Yeah, its waaaaaay better to bring life into this world and put society on the hook for an entire lifetime of free shit – only to end up with some FSA libtard who can’t spell C-A-T.
“I’m not sure how you can be against government control of your body and then say abortion should be illegal.” ———— Khaleesi
First, it’s not a major issue for me personally, since I am beyond child-bearing age.
Second, where did I say abortion should be illegal? Please provide the direct quote.
Third, there is no such thing as 100% freedom. Speech, for example, is free … but not 100% free. A person who yells “fire!” in a crowded theater and which results in death or injury to innocents must suffer severe consequences for their “freedom”.
Fourth, speaking of innocents …. when it comes to abortions, why is that pro-choice people always and only consider the mother. Isn’t another human being involved?
“Yeah, its waaaaaay better to bring life into this world and put society on the hook for an entire lifetime of free shit – only to end up with some FSA libtard who can’t spell C-A-T.” —– Tommy
So, it’s purely an economic matter?
If so, why only kill potential Free Shitters in the womb? Why not kill ACTUAL Free Shitters outside the womb? Economically, it would make sense.
When does human life begin?
At conception?
Or some arbitrary week?
When do you have a soul?
When? Indeed, that is the million dollar question.
In my simple mind there is no difference IN ESSENCE between a 6 week old fetus and a 31 week old fetus …. only the passing of time.
Some people never acquire a soul (see, bb).
I’m not into murder. Planned parenhood=nice eugenics program to rid the world of as many minority’s as possible. I considered our government using Ebola as a way of reducing the population. The next few years should be very exciting.
Admin ,we have a soul before conception in the mind of GOD .Read Psalm 1:39..*Really read it
You don’t HAVE a soul
You ARE Soul
You HAVE a body
The righteous perishes ,and no man takes it to heart,Merciful men are taken away while no one considers that the righteous is taken away from *Evil.He shall enter into peace, they shall find rest.Isaiah 57:1+2. I thought about AWD when I read this.
This video changes nothing for me. I’ll always chose the tough choice now – a little tragedy now or alot of tragedy later, how can it not be more clear? No it shouldn’t be birth control and I personally feel it shouldn’t be used more than once in a lifetime. So when Shanikqua pops out eight little takers and you screaming about the FSA and this’n that – just look, behold the beauty …..the perfection before you. In a world with no petrodollar to float problems away, this issue and others will cease to exist – fourth turnings will focus everyone’s mind – and if Shanikqua insists on spewing out carbon copies you outrage over this issue will pale compared to the squalor those kids will live in, learn, and for the ones who even survive, grow up to accept and go forth and conquer. So whoever down arrowed me before and now, lets hear the grand plan with a double dose of reality akin to growing plants on rocks.
He should have ducked.
“Planned parenhood=nice eugenics program to rid the world of as many minority’s as possible”
Oh shit, the secret is starting to get out. Quick, start a race war! Gay marriage! Muslims are peaceful! Old white men never did anything for this country! We must make college more expensive to let everyone have it! We must destroy health care to save it!
/snarc
Yes, Planned Parenthood’s roots are in the eugenics movement with a distinct racial flavor. It’s fascinating who supports it today. Some of those supporters are impossibly stupid, others are painfully two-faced.
“This video changes nothing for me.” —– Tommy
That’s why you’re going here for your Final Destination. You like warm weather, Tommy? Well, do ya?
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@Stucky, you mock religion then invoke it? Rev. Stucky?
@Stucky, do you go down to the welfare office and marvel at the beauty too? You log in here and rant……Got Hypocrisy?
Don’t have smiling kids!!!
Administrator says: When does human life begin?
Answer is – when your yearly income level is north of 120k or you try and fail and become a ward of the Democratic welfare state.
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“@Stucky, you mock religion then invoke it? Rev. Stucky?” ——– Tommy
Yes. I am like a diamond …. there are many facets to the soul called “Stucky”.
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“@Stucky, do you go down to the welfare office and marvel at the beauty too? You log in here and rant……Got Hypocrisy?” ——— Tommy
You have absolutely NO CLUE as to the true meaning of “hypocrisy”. Got retardation?
Funny, I put in my .02 like anybody else and I’ve got you labeling me. Live you own life the way you see fit, I’ll do the same. And I’ve got a great understanding of hypocrisy………your generation provides daily lessons. By the way, you never answered my question with anything more than your standard run-of-the-mill twist on logical fallacies. What would you do with the spawn of the FSA that enters adulthood with zero skills and an attitude of ‘I’m due’? Millions of ’em. They should have never been born. At least I put a thought out there while you jerk off in your bathrobe wearing bunny slippers labeling and condemning. Lets hear it. Focus big boy, on the problem now – not me. You can do it. Try.
It’s about eight weeks into the pregnancy that sentience begins.
Some say soul.
Some say life.
But that is the point at when ‘life’ begins, IMHO.
@Kill Bill, watch out – you’ll have Stucky on your ass with comments like that. That IMHO shit won’t help either. I happen to agree with you though. The mid/later term procedure sounds like some horror movie scene.
Holy cow.
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War, euthanasia, capital punishment and abortion all manners of killing another human being.
IMO it’s important to be consistent and not cherry-pick among the various methods
“And I’ve got a great understanding of hypocrisy…your generation provides daily lessons.”
—– Tommy
No, Tommy, you don’t. Here … I’m gonna type slow, so you read slow. mmm-kay?
hy·poc·ri·sy. noun \hi-ˈpä-krə-sē also hī-\. : the behavior of people who do things that they tell other people not to do
Got that?
So, you asked if I —- “go down to the welfare office and marvel at the beauty too? ” Based on the standard accepted definition of “hypocrisy”, please do tell when the fuck I told YOU to go to the welfare office? Sounds of Silence. Your comment makes ZERO sense.
Ohh, damn … forgot to add …
Regarding “my generation” teaching you about hypocrisy.
AND YOURS DOESN’T??? Of course, it does!! You know why? Because, hypocrisy is a human trait … practiced by virtually everyone at one time or another, in every generation.
And you have the Brass Balls to infer that yours doesn’t. That, my boy, is HYPOCRISY!! bwaaahahahaha!! See how that word works in real life?
Lastly …
“Funny, I put in my .02 like anybody else and I’ve got you labeling me” —- Crybaby Tommie
Fuckin hilarious. Whiney assed Millennial piece of shit.
I label you???? YOU were the first person to throw names around. YOU called me a hypocrite. Remember that, you bastard spawn-child of satan?
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“What would you do with the spawn of the FSA that enters adulthood with zero skills and an attitude of ‘I’m due’? Millions of ‘em. They should have never been born. At least I put a thought out there …. ” ———– Satan’s Spawn
What “thought”? You haven’t had an original thought since the better part of you dribbled down your father’s leg and you thought to yourself, “Hey, I better find my momma’s vagina before I’m aborted.”
I’m not going to answer a question that you, yourself, won’t answer. You ask me what to do with “the FSA that enters adulthood.” All you say is, “They should have never been born”. Well, Mr. Missing A Chromosome, that answers absolutely nothing. YOU tell ME. What should we do with them? Kill ’em all? Sounds of Silence.
Is everyone your age this fucked up? If so, this country is truly doomed to hell.
So how do you plan on talking control of a woman’s body? I don’t know of anyone who supports late term abortion but for those first few weeks of gestation, when it is ‘a clump of cells’, a woman can easily keep her pregnancy a secret. She doesn’t have to share the information with anyone, including the potential father. She has a very big window of opportunity to end the pregnancy in whatever way she deems without any input or outside knowledge, whether she decides on a clinical option or ‘home remedy’ of which there are many. Abortifactiants have been around and utilized for centuries. Abortion is nothing new. And what of early miscarriage? Cells that detach from the uterian wall and end up flushed down the toilet, sometimes without even the knowledge of the potential mother. And what of the “cells” used in IVF–test tube babies? Does anyone realize that many of the unused fertilized eggs are disposed of? Do they also have a soul? There is a lot more here to think about and what is really on the line, if abortion would become illegal, again, is a woman’s right to her own body. Should we criminalize women in order to save the unborn? The woman and the fetus share one body—one person—for a period of time. Of the two, who has supreme rights over that body? That is the question that must be answered.
There is no clear answer to this question other than does a Woman have the inalienable right to determine what goes on with her body, and I believe she does.
Further, taking space & time to debate this unanswerable issue is a WASTE of time, since (1) there is NO clear answer, and (2) the “abortion” issue is the siding politicians go to in order to shunt us off of the major issues that we seriously need to be talking about.
The normal gestation period is 40 weeks, and that’s starting from the last day of the last menstrual period. So there’s a little ambiguity there as far as real age. In any case, no one in there right mind would ok abortion at that time. The title of the post and the notion that it is only 31 weeks old is a bit misleading. Most that support pro-choice would not believe in aborting a 31 week baby.
“how is it possible that a blob of protoplasm can display the HUMAN emotion of smiling?” –me
So far, that question is still unanswered.
(Although Admin gave it a shot with his ‘fart’ comment.)
Stucky says: “how is it possible that a blob of protoplasm can display the HUMAN emotion of smiling?” –me
Because it’s Alive, a human
“Because it’s Alive, a human.” ——– Sensetti, one of the Great Wise Men of TBP
That is the correct answer, imho.
Not a blob. Not protoplasm. Not a cluster of cells. Not just a fetus. A human.
Stucky after getting ready for the day.
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No matter which side you stand on this issue. At some point it becomes murder. Conception? Two weeks? Eight weeks?
If it’s ok for a mother to murder her child. Why is it not ok for me to murder the mother?
Either human life has some intrinsic value or it doesn’t. I’m good either way. I just need to know the rules we are gong to play by….
I meant to throw this in there.
http://www.cnsnews.com/sites/default/files/documents/Pregnancy%20Outcomes%20%20NYC%20Health%202012.pdf
I was cool until you called me millenial – thats going to far. X’er, a/k/a nomad. In the end, I’ve lost my zest and zeal for shit-fests here at TBP. Just feel like its all there is to do before whatever arrives. They offer some amusement though. So take the last laugh – I haven’t even read all of your retorts, I’m sure there are some juicy ones in there.
Rome’s burning and we’re throwin’ roeVwade shit…..the bigger stuff and the real issues, anybody ever feel like are watching one of those controlled car crashes except we are just were the fender is beginning to wrinkle as the dummies inside sit normal? Well I do.
Still haven’t answered the question, how do you plan to stop the mother from “murdering” her child or punish the mother for murdering her child if she can hide the pregnancy and therefore, also hide the murder
“Either human life has some intrinsic value or it doesn’t. I’m good either way. I just need to know the rules we are gong to play by…. ”
who says we’re all playing by the same rules
It’s so funny we have Big JC going to war against little jc.
“who says we’re all playing by the same rules”
If we’re not playing by the same rules. Then there are no rules. Which is what I was alluding to.
I’m good with that. I was even trained in it. Good luck.
My work here is done.
Can one human life have value while another human life doesn’t?
‘Pro-Choice’ too often has become Unrestricted Abortion
‘Pro-Life’ too often has become Compulsory Childbearing
It’s a private issue between two people up to limits of survival, and nobody else should have to pay for it. Why try to complicate it further?
I think that when life begins will always be a matter of opinion based on what one believes and the science to support it. After all these years, we as a society, have not been able to come together and agree on when life begins.
Does it start at conception and fertilization? Seems to make sense, when the mans spouie fertilizes the woman’s egg the process of creating genetic life starts.
Does it start at gastrulation or embryology two weeks after conception? Science make a good case that this is when individuality begins.
Does it start with the beginning of neurological activity of the brain at about 24 weeks? If you are alive until your brain shuts down and quits functioning then it makes since that you are alive when your brains starts functioning in the first place.
Or does life start later when the baby leaves the womb and can function on it’s own?
Is any one of these examples the right one that we can all agree on? Evidently not because we haven’t yet.
I wouldn’t go that far. Besides, its almost your dinner time, right? Or is it supper…..uh-oh. I feel an epic battle brewin’…….(it’s dinner btw).