ROUND 2 – BURN IT DOWN!!!

A cop killed a guy over a minor offense, no surprise, the cop got off free, no surprise.

I hope there’s no Ferguson style riots either, but, I don’t see how peaceful protests are going to solve anything, especially with the leadership we have leading the country.

Why is it illegal to sell loose cigarettes? If the pack or carton he purchased them from was taxed, what’s the crime? If I have a dozen eggs and I sell an egg to my neighbor is it legal for the cops to choke me to death?

I understand why so many police departments are stocking up on armored vehicles.

I think the jury in ferguson got it right.

But this is horseshit. That cop was entirely responsible for that man’s death. Why would he have choked him?

Motherfucker.

Dude had 31 prior offenses. Once again if he had not resisted arrest and had been compliant with police instructions he would still be alive.

Personally I think cops should use a stun gun in such situation. If perp resists arrest simply back off and knock him down with a stun gun. Much safer for all involved.

Sensetti – that guy was not a threat to those cops. They had zero reason to do that. They could have all stood around and sang Kumbaya for awhile and he would have been alive today.

He pulled his hands away as he was very agitated. To choke him to the ground over that, and keep choking him when he kept saying he could not breathe was bullshit.

He didn’t hit anyone, and he sure as hell was not especially threatening. There was no point to it at all.

Hell, there wasn’t even any need of a stun gun. He was not threatening anyone, best I can tell. He wanted the cops to fuck off. Why escalate it to violence?

Let it calm down some, try to reason with him, etc.

What a load of crap.

He was a serial miscreant, for sure and certain, and was a life-long criminal, so the world was spared that continuing.

But there was no rush needed to put the cuffs on him this time. The cops just had to be violent. As they often are.

I do not like cops.

Here’s some real Good Advice from a Black mother to her son.

“No sugarcoating. There it was. “Look, stay away from cops. They are not your friends. You answer their questions if they ask you with ‘yes sir’ and ‘no ma’am’ unless it is incriminating, then you exercise your right to be silent. Don’t talk back, don’t even slouch, pull up your pants. Be polite, no sudden movements. Don’t give him a reason because these cops will shoot you and not think twice about it.” She used choice other words, but that was it. All our suspicions, fears about police vocalized by the smartest person we knew.”
Nico Davis, 25, Gary, In.

“One cannot reason with a practitioner of stupidity, and if one has been arrested 31 times they are not the sharpest pencil in the box by definition.”

One can also not reason with a practitioner of totalitarianism, and if one thinks it’s justified after seeing countless examples, they are not the sharpest pencil in the box by definition, and runs the risk of becoming the next stupid pencil.

These grand juries are a farce.
The pigs are going to keep killing blacks until pigs are killed themselves. They need to start fearing the people.
Panteleo looks like a fucking weasel. A killer weasel.

There’s the story of another guy who sold cigarettes at one for a dollar to office workers who can’t afford to pay the price of a pack. He said cops knew him and would come to arrest him when they needed a bust. He took it in stride, he said he got a medical check up at Riker’s.
Sensetti argues the guy knew the ropes, since he had been busted 31 times, the cops knew him also. They knew he wasn’t a threat. Why did the cop decide to take him down by applying a chokehold? More likely he hadn’t paid the vig. The Pacoima kid said cops in LA would shake down drug dealers in his neighborhood. It’s possible the same happens in NY.

Worth the read.

Unlike the Michael Brown killing in Ferguson, Missouri, there is excellent cause for concern here. But that concern does not mean that facts of the case ought to become irrelevant.

The Case. The incident was caught on tape by a friend of Garner’s, and shows Garner, who weighed some 400 lbs., being confronted by police over distributing unlicensed cigarettes (colloquially called “loosies”). The video shows Garner resisting arrest, although not violently so – he shouts at officers, “Every time you see me you want to arrest me, I’m tired of this, this stops today…I didn’t do nothing…I’m minding my business, officer…” while waving his arms animatedly — before Pantaleo comes up behind him and places his left arm around Garner’s neck, bringing his right arm up below Garner’s right arm. Garner raises his hands, falling backwards, at which point three other officers physically grab Garner. He falls to the ground, Pantaleo hanging onto his back with his arm still around Garner’s neck. The officers tell Garner to put his hands behind his head, and Garner complains that he cannot breathe. Pantaleo forces Garner’s head to the cement. It is clear that witnesses do not believe Garner has been put in mortal danger.
Garner died a few minutes later.
The autopsy from the medical examiner attributed his death to homicide – meaning death at the hands of another party, not murder, in medical parlance – and stated that he died thanks to “Compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.” But the autopsy further noted that Garner died thanks to acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity, and heart disease.
The Charges. First off, it is vital to note that nobody knows exactly the charges filed with the grand jury against Pantaleo. According to ABC News, the charges could have included “second-degree manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, felony assault, reckless endangerment.” The charges matter, since each individual charge carries with it requirements for different elements. As Professor Eugene O’Donnell of the John Jay Criminal College of Criminal Justice wrote in The New York Daily News:
As a practical matter — on the basis of past cases — the grand jury would likely indict only if it found malice or some intention to hurt Mr. Garner or that a gross disregard for Mr. Garner’s well-being is what created the tragic ending during this routine arrest. Finding that the officer was careless or that the arrest was bungled will not rise to the level of a crime.
The Arrest. It is vital to separate out the actions of the police from the rationale for their action. That’s because by virtually any logic, it is the height of irresponsibility and depravity for a man to end up dead for selling loose cigarettes. The law that led to this confrontation was pressed forward by former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg; Garner had been arrested some eight times for selling “loosies.” As Lawrence McQuillan reported in The Washington Times:
In January 2014, tough new penalties for selling untaxed cigarettes took effect in New York City. In July, emboldened by the new law, the city’s highest-ranking uniformed cop, Philip Banks, issued an order to crack down on loosie sales days before Garner died.
So in terms of police cracking down on Garner, the real responsibility lies with Bloomberg and NYPD Chief Bill Bratton. Idiot laws lead to meaningless deaths.

The “Chokehold.” At issue in this case is the so-called “chokehold” used by Pantaleo. Chokeholds have been banned by the NYPD entirely since 1993; chokeholds are typically defined as holds that prevent people from breathing. Thanks to the video showing Garner stating that he cannot breathe, many pundits have wrongly suggested that Pantaleo was “choking” Garner by depriving him of air from his windpipe. Bratton himself suggested that Pantaleo used a “chokehold,” which is defined by the NYPD as “any pressure to the throat or windpipe, which may prevent or hinder breathing or reduce intake of air.”
That does not appear to have been the case. Garner did not die of asphyxiation, as the head of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association noted at the time. The preliminary autopsy showed no damage to Garner’s windpipe or neck bones.
So what was Pantaleo doing? He was applying a submission hold, which is not barred by the NYPD, and is designed to deprive the brain of oxygen by stopping blood flow through the arteries. So say the experts on submission holds.
It appears that the so-called chokehold was instrumental in triggering Garner’s pre-existing health problems and causing his death, but Garner was not choked to death, as the media seems to maintain. According to Garner’s friends, he “had several health issues: diabetes, sleep apnea, and asthma so severe that he had to quit his job as a horticulturist for the city’s parks department. He wheezed when he talked and could not walk a block without resting, they said.”

Excessive Force. There is no clear and concise guideline available on excessive force. According to Mark Henriquez, project manager for the National Police Use of Force Database Project at the International Association of Chiefs of Police, only .44 percent of all force complaints were considered excessive from 1994-1998.
So, in deciding whether a grand jury should have indicted Garner, we should assess the following questions:
Was there any intent by the officers to kill Garner? That would certainly be an uphill case to make, as the grand jury likely found.
Did the “chokehold” kill Garner, or did his pre-existing health conditions kill him? If Garner had otherwise been healthy, would he have died from use of the “chokehold”?
If not, would use of the “chokehold” have been reckless?
Was the use of the “chokehold” reasonable use of force rather than excessive use of force? Was the “chokehold” necessary to subdue him?
Unfortunately, in situations like the Garner case, our gut tends to overwhelm our assessment of the facts. We are sickened, as we should be, by the idea that a man died over sale of loose cigarettes – which is an indictment of the law, rather than of the police. We are sickened by the fact that a man died while warning officers he could not breathe – but we must assess whether that death was caused by the officers, or intervening medical conditions.
When people’s lives are at stake, it is worthwhile to actually examine those facts, rather than pre-conceived narratives constructed for political gain. And it is worthwhile noting that even if the police did use excessive force against Garner – which, of course, is quite possible – that still does not establish that they did so for racial reasons.
Ben Shapiro is Senior Editor-At-Large of Breitbart News. He is also Editor-in-Chief of TruthRevolt.org. Follow Ben Shapiro on Twitter @benshapiro.

One big difference . There are 32000+cops in NYC who are well trained in riot control. Probably want put with any burning of neighborhoods.

Westcoaster says:

“Shocking mistake by asst. prosecutor in the Darren Wilson case. She cited and passed out copies of a MO law (which had been overturned in the 1980’s-but didn’t mention this fact) that states LEO can legally shoot a suspect when fleeing an officer. Seem pretty blatant to me.”

Except Michael Brown WAS NOT fleeing Officer Wilson, you dumb ass. Go back and re-read the
grand jury testimony (that is, if you read it first before posting this horseshit in the first place).

hardscrabble farmer says:

“Why is it illegal to sell loose cigarettes? If the pack or carton he purchased them from was taxed, what’s the crime? If I have a dozen eggs and I sell an egg to my neighbor is it legal for the cops to choke me to death?”

HS, the argument I heard was that nearby shops were complaining that Garner was effectively taking away sales from their businesses by selling cigarettes; however, I agree that does not warrant the overuse of force by the vice squad.

All I know is the following:

It is open season on citizens, respond appropriately whether or not you “think” you are within your rights/law.

And I know for certain that had either of these situations played out in the EXACT same way except with citizens instead of jackboots the two respective DAs would have had ZERO problem getting charges brought. Zero.

Do you guys realize that successful prosecutions (against us, not the jackboots) have gone to over 95% from the low 70s back in the ’70s?

There is NO WAY that a “fair and honest” judicial system would produce those success rates if things were actually fair and honest. No way.

I, like Karl Denniger, still want to know how an over 300 pound man, running full bore then shot dead (before hitting the pavement) ends up with NO road rash? I can’t run barefoot across my driveway without ripping the skin off my big toe, yet I am supposed to believe that being shot dead and dropped on the pavement wouldn’t cause a scratch? Really? Funny how the “prosecutor” didn’t ask the “accused” that question. Nor was the question asked of the forensic people.

Anyone defending our jailers, or their court appointed proxies, deserves the future pain said jailers will rain down upon themselves and their families.

Sad the rest of us get it too.

We are too stupid to be fixed. That is my new belief.

Too fucking stupid to ever be fixed. Guess the only other outcome is devastation. I’m preparing accordingly.

AND avoiding the “man” in all his glory and laws, as much as I humanly can.

TE just for you

DR. MICHAEL BADEN, FORMER NEW YORK CITY CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER: There are six bullets struck him. Six bullets struck and two may have reentered. And three bullets were recovered at the first autopsy, according to our report. One thing is that there are abrasions around the right side of Mr. Brown’s face, rubbing against the ground, which happened, as best we can tell, when, after the gunshot wounds, he fell flat down unprotected and got those abrasions. Otherwise, no evidence of a struggle.

TE
All I know is the only folks to see and weigh all the evidence was the Grand Jury. Therefore not having the whole picture I must go with their conclusion.

But don’t get me wrong, I would be all for disbanding local police and go back to community policing or better known as vigilante justice. I talked with an elderly woman in Louisiana over Thankgiving and she said it worked well when she was a young girl. Told me a bunch of stories how the men of their community handled crime and punishment. Sounded good to me!

we already have vigilante justice via cops. only, no need for a trial, they call it self defense.

shit, if we don’t believe in justice anymore, why bother with a trial? acording to your logic, Sensetti, the fucking American revolution was a waste of time, we can just go back to arbitrary justice.

they have lynch mobs in Mexico, where folks come out to beat the fuck out of suspects. the cops only show up to rescue the poor fuck accused of sexual assault, robbery or whatever. the east la crowd honored that tradition when they beat the crap out of the night-stalker suspect richard ramirez before the cops arrived. they had his pic in the papers, someone said he looked like the guy and he got his ass stomped.

Can you imagine Black inner city neighborhoods policing themselves?
Do you think crime would go up? You see what they do when they think they can get away with it, hence looting of small business stores. Law enforcement needs to back out and just let them have it. We will end up with lawless zones to be avoided at all costs.

It looks kinda like that black man is pointing a weapon at the Po Po. In the proper lighting dude might have got his ass chot.

call a duck a duck.

this cop is a murderer. no more, no less.

in my side of the ocean, he would be rewarded 12 years for homicide, even 15 because he did it taken on a video and didn’t gave a shit.

as far as I can remember cops are supposed to protect, even those who sell illegaly cigarettes…

such a scene is a serious indicator of a country that is FUBAR

did you fart bb?