How Long America?

Guest Post by Fred Reed

In Which the Unthinkable is Thunk

Is it possible for the United States to break up, either de facto or formally?

I wonder. The country is not a happy place. Today it is more consciously and resentfully divided, politically, regionally, racially and by sex and class than perhaps ever before. The rich prosper and the middle class sink. Three major racial blocs eye each other with fear and hostility. The hard left controls the media and government against the desires of much of the country, enforcing social engineering that is deeply disliked. Feminists make war on men, and destroy the schools and universities. Washington is widely loathed. Rules, laws, and regulations never voted on grow ever more burdensome and intrusive. Many quietly want out. The question is how to get there.

A breakup will not come by armed secession. We tried that, with poor results. It will come, if it does, by gradual degrees, by inadvertence, by quietly ignoring the central government, by incremental defiance. This has begun. Whether it will continue remains to be seen.

It is not clear that the feds could prevent it. How powerful, really, is Washington? Consider. Marijuana is illegal under federal law, yet Colorado and Washington state made it legal, and got away with it. The feds did not arrest the governors or send troops. Since then, Alaska and Washington DC have legalized weed. Other states seem poised to follow. Unless Washington does something dramatic and soon, the states will learn that they can simply ignore the feds.

Who might like to secede? Most conspicuously, Latinos. In four states—California, Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico—Latinos either have or will soon have a demographic majority, which means that eventually they will have a voting majority.

This doesn’t mean that white and brown will be locked in mortal political combat. In much of the country Latinos and whites get along reasonably well. It means that Hispanic influence, already potent, will become more so. It may (or may not) mean that Latinos, like blacks, will clump together in such numbers and concentrations that they will have little contact with whites and little incentive to assimilate. Why would they? They like their civilization, food, music, and culture. What they want in America is prosperity.

To generalize but not, I think, excessively, Hispanics have more in common with Mexico that with Washington. Whites in many Western states have little in common with Washington and the Northeast.

Now, here things become interesting. Illegal immigration is, clearly, illegal—yet a black President and attorney general, probably from racial hostility to whites, are doing all they can to increase the Hispanic population of the US. But how could any President stop it? Too many interests have a stake in continuing it. Building a fence along the border is fantasy, as is revoking birthright citizenship. The influx will continue, and new children will not be deport-able. They will eventually vote.

The consequence, now inevitable, is that the Southwest will become more Mexican than American. The larger a minority population, the harder to make it do things it doesn’t want to do.

California now issues driver’s licenses to illegals. The police are not allowed to ask about status of immigration. There is talk of allowing illegals to vote in municipal elections, which will speed Mexicanization. These and similar measures come close to making them citizens of California, while not of America.

The drip-by-drip empowerment of Latinos advances apace. The New York Times: “LOS ANGELES — California is challenging the historic status of American citizenship with measures to permit non-citizens to sit on juries…and to open the practice of law even to those here illegally. It is the leading edge of a national trend that includes granting drivers’ licenses and in-state tuition to illegal immigrants in some states ….”

Yep.

New York ponders a similar law.

Defiance of federal law grows common. For example, “Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) says Chicago is the friendliest immigrant city in the nation since they,  “made sure that we no longer cooperate with immigration authorities when it comes to the deportation or separation of our families.”

A US congressman, and a US president, defy federal law. This is an ungluing of note.

What can Washington do if states and regions simply go their own way? If large numbers of people stop paying income taxes, say? One tax evader can be arrested. Fifty thousand cannot. A problem for the feds is that if a state’s police decline to enforce federal laws, the feds have to do it themselves, and they don’t have the manpower. Passive resistance is hard to prosecute, gradualism offers scant pretext, rising generations seem less concerned about immigration than their elders, and a forcible response from Washington would entail frightful political risks.

So as the Fatal Four southwestern states become ever more Latino, what if they de facto eliminate the border with Mexico? They wouldn’t describe it that way. They probably wouldn’t describe it at all. They would just ignore sovereignty. In a globalizing world, the very idea of sovereignty seems less important that it once did. I will guess that the young, who will one day be older, care less than their elders about national identity.

How then would Washington enforce its will? Send the Army? Bomb Los Angeles? Them as has the numbers gets their way. And are getting it.

The result could easily be a de facto integration with Mexico—businesses operating on both sides of the border as if there were no border, a completely free flow of people, and the like.

In the past the rock-solid unity of the United States existed because people wanted it. The foundation was a largely uniform white, Christian, European culture which no one thought about because there was no reason to think about it. Minorities were minor enough that they had to conform to the dominant culture. People shared ideas of morality, education, crime, music, religion, dress, manners, and patriotism.

That unity is gone forever. The old, functioning system has been replaced, not by another functioning system, such as that of Japan, China, or Korea, but by civilizational chaos. A law of human behavior is that people want to live among people like themselves. Another is that they do not like being ruled from afar by people they detest. Who likes Washington today?

Another possibility of secession lies in the South. Mississippi, the darkest state, is thirty-seven percent black. Although we are not permitted to say it, the racial hostility of blacks toward whites is intense.  While whites will (now, anyway) vote for a black candidate over a white—which is how we got Obama—blacks vote as a bloc for black candidates. (If memory serves, Obama got 93% of the black vote.)

Should the black percentage in Mississippi grow to a tipping point, then, when whites bail out (which is usually what happens though we are not supposed to say this either), the state would become a self-governing country within a country—dependent on federal subsidies, yes, but having no loyalty to or culture in common with white society. It would not, methinks, feel an urgent need to obey federal laws.

Tell me I’m crazy. But wait twenty years.

Anyone interested in what Mexico is and is not would do well to read Manana Forever by Jorge Castañeda. Not a puff book, just accurate.

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Iska Waran
Iska Waran

There’s probably a difference between a Mexican and a second or third generation Mexican American. Yes, the American may waste more time on Tweeter, etc., but – Hillary Clinton fans nothwithstanding – an American, even one of Mexican ancestry, is likely to expect rule of law versus governance by a strongman and widespread corruption and graft. If we can slow down (or stop) the arrival of Mexicans for a good while, we ought to be able to turn them into Americans. if we keep being overrun by Mexicans (who stay Mexicans) then any state or region that they run will be run like Mexico.

Billy
Billy

A breakup will not come by armed secession. We tried that, with poor results.

Fred looks at the world through rose colored glasses.

Armed secession? Probably not, agreed, but war is coming…

The beanbags vote to leave the US – which is what the Old South tried – and there will be problems. Especially if and when the drought continues.

We tried warning the multi-culti assholes… the blenders… the “give us your tired, your poor, blah, blah…”

Now look. Secession is being openly discussed for the first time since 1861.

This will spell the end of the Republic. All because of the shitheads who howled “RAAAYCISS!!” when we issued warnings… and because of that fat drunk murdering motherfucker Ted Kennedy and his 1965 Immigration Act…

So, to all you shitbags who encouraged this sort of thing – I hope you all die screaming and burn in the nuclear fires of Hell, being force-fed your own shit. Forever.

bb

Fred ,is thinking America will remain affluent . That the standard of living will continue to rise . What happens when the easy money is not flowing?Whites are still comfortable for now even though they are getting a little taste of what’s coming in terms of racial hate ,of economic dislocation and a continuous enclosing of the police state. The depravity in our culture will only get worse. We are losing our virtues , our values and any cohesion we once had as a nation is gone .The Christian principles that once formed Western Civilization are eroding quicker then Stucky can masturbate. I don’t know but it seems hopeless.

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr

The NWO Banksters couldn’t butcher (privatize) Greece like they wanted so they cut the flow of “money” and now Greece will fall like a tiny domino onto their toe and shatter their feet of clay. Then Exploiters (they call themselves investors) will bit by bit withdraw their money from Portugal, Spain, Italy, France, etc, and the BRICS will take their head shots. The Great Western Economic Collapse will suck down Germany, Japan, and the USA.That’s when America will end. The Bankster barbarians and Vandals will have brought on the New World Order Dark Ages.

Archie
Archie

Slightly off topic but not really. My own little fantasy is that whites here will return to Europe and reclaim her from the middle eastern hordes by force if necessary. This leaves America in the hands of Jews in charge (who else?) and the legions of black and browns with Asians sprinkled about. I’d give the country about a year before it turns into a Brazil like third world hellhole. Good riddance.

I realize that’s a bit of a pipe dream, so failing that, I envision a future white protest en masse (when things get really bad), whereby every single white man doesn’t show up for work for a day or two or three. A massive coordinated strike if you will. Who will drive the trucks, fly the airplanes, plough the fields, mine the metals, harvest the lumber, fix the potholes, cars, sewer pipes, and telephone lines? The Jews? Don’t make me laugh. The blacks? Hehehehe. Mexicans? Perhaps. Asian? I don’t know. Not enough of them here to do that work.

What I do know is that civilization in the west as presently understood is the white man’s product. Sorry women. Sorry Jews. Sorry beaners. Sorry chinks. That’s just the truth. Its best art, science, philosophy, architecture, music, politics, etc. are white European. Without whites, civilization will perish. Would you like that Jew or Arab man? Want us to disappear black man? What’s your take chinaman? If not, how’s about letting us live in peace and amongst ourselves? Stop attacking us. Stop the white privilege guilt trip bullshit. Stop the affirmative action nonsense. Stop the retarded feminism. Stop all of it.

Incidentally, my last several major purchases in the last few years have been:

A furnace made in Italy
A wood stove made in Denmark
A car made in Germany
Pipes made in Ireland and France
Axes made in Sweden
Chainsaws made in Sweden and Germany
Dinner plates and frying pans made in France
A jacket made in Portugal
A Knife made in Finland

Yes, white Europe kicks ass. She is the jewel of the world.

Turd worlders can bite me. Jews can suck it. And chinks can call me a round eye devil. Don’t care. If I’ve pissed off people then my work is done here.

Stucky

“There’s probably a difference between a Mexican and a second or third generation Mexican American.” —— Iska Waran

Trust me, by the 3rd generation they are no longer Mexican. I don’t care if they talk Spanish, eat Beaner food, look Mexican, whatever …….. they are fully American.

Maybe even by the 2nd generation. I was born in Salzburg, my kids in Indiana. Sadly, they are about as German as Jerry Seinfeld.

llpoh
llpoh

The US was never intended to be a democracy. Democracies by their nature do not work very well – the well-known adage that democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner.

And that scenario is rapidly developing not only in the US but throughout the world’s democracies. The majority have become parasites – and the parasites want more free shit, and they do not care what the debt load is, or what the burden is on the producers. They just want more free shit, and to hell with any other consideration.

The US was intended to be a republic. There was never an intention that US was going to be an open-slather democracy. In fact, the founding fathers well knew what would happen if that became the case.

I mean, there is a huge percentage of the population that is dumb as a bag of rocks, and their existence is 100% contingent on free shit. Now they may not know very much, but they sure as hell smart enough to vote for the guy that says he will give them “mo’ free shit”.

It is going to get very very ugly.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

I got things to say to latin country immigrants who come here thinking they will be raising Mexicans or Guatemalans ot what have you. Instead, they will be raising conflicted kids with a dual identity. By the time they have grandkids here, those kids are English speaking, MacDonald’s eating, entitled, little shits who depise everything Hispanic, who think Kim K and Kanye are their real mom and dad.

DC Sunsets

Fred sees things from Guadalajara. It’s a bias.

When the paradigm shift FINALLY arrives (it’s 20 years late, by my figures, and counting), whites in the USA may decide that EVERYONE ELSE is responsible, everyone else is the bad guy, everyone else is a threat.

If that’s the narrative that arises, I would not want to be a black, a brown or any other remotely discernibly difference from the whites.

I know, I know, those guys from south of the border, the MS-13 types, they’re REALLY bad guys, right?

I have no doubt whatsoever that if the “white guy” dragon is awakened, history will be made in ways I don’t wish to imagine. Caucasians are really good at warfare, and are pretty smart, too.

It was a bad idea to give intelligence to a killer ape. Imagine if Caucasians conclude that California is essential to their well being and there’s a bunch of people trying to take it away from them.

Narratives are everything, even if they have a poor connection to actual reality.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

llpoh says: I mean, there is a huge percentage of the population that is dumb as a bag of rocks,

That is the basis of my argument that claiming to have solved the problems of the world on the merest of evidence like skin color is stupid.

The majority of humanity are knuckle dragging mouth breathers. Pavan and Billy may have discovered the double helix or penicillin but that glory doesn’t extend to the rest of the white chimps by osmosis.

Thanks, Billy, for all you has did for us brown chimps!

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
Persnickety
Persnickety

@dc: I rather like the landscape in California. I just can’t stand the locals (regardless of color).

In terms of possibilities, I agree with you that IF white people ever became racially conscious and militant once again, it would be all over for basically all other colors. However, that is a big IF, one that I would not bet on occurring.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

bb says: .. Christian principles..are eroding quicker then Stucky can masturbate.

First he would have to find Sir Lancelot, maybe Nasa could lend him the Mars Rover.

llpoh
llpoh

EC – you really underestimate Stucky’s abilities.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

I mis-underestimated his gargantuan first generation exploration pod for the sake of using the Mars Rover gag.

Zarathustra

Stucky says:

“There’s probably a difference between a Mexican and a second or third generation Mexican American.” —— Iska Waran

Trust me, by the 3rd generation they are no longer Mexican. I don’t care if they talk Spanish, eat Beaner food, look Mexican, whatever …….. they are fully American.
__________________________________

Truth. I work with an engineer who was born in Cartagena Colombia and came to the US at the age of three. He as american as I am in every possible way. His favorite food is middle eastern and he speaks american english without a trace of an accent. He has no recollection of Colombia and doesn’t give a fuck about it.

He does, however, wear the pointy toed shoes that spanish people are fond of, for some reason. Maybe it’s because he grew up in Miami…

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Despite the efforts of political groups to compartmentalize hispanics into predefined subsets, Hispanics are diverse and independent fuckers, some hate whites, some hate blacks, some don’t give a shit. Some are veterans of America’s wars, some are disabled vets, some are veteranos of the gang wars, some are cholos or former cholos, others are college graduates engaged in engineering or other scientific works. Some are writers, others are gay clothiers. Some are gay writers of macho boxers. Most of them know that they have to try harder because they aren’t privileged white or protected black.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Archie says: Slightly off topic but not really. My own little fantasy is that whites here will return to Europe and reclaim her from the middle eastern hordes by force if necessary.

Good luck with that, Arch. Supreme White Power maybe a concept that is lost in translation. My buddy Mike said he was in France and needing directions, asked a Frenchie in his high school French for help. He said the Frenchie said something to the effect of ‘fucking American’ and spat on the ground.

starfcker
starfcker

DC, you’re correct. Fred is getting a little lost down there. All the choices being made for us are not truths. They are just choices. Bad ones. And they are political. They can be 180°d, real quick. Sucks to be the folks llpoh calls dumb when that happens, but they’ll find their place in time. It won’t be driving a new benz.

Stucky

EL Coyote

You’ve stumbled upon a new formula for success, eh? Just mention my shlong and masturbation ….. guarantees a bunch of thumbs up.

You TBP media whore!!!

BUCKHED
BUCKHED

Zara…the reason they wear pointy shoes is so that they can kill cockroaches in the corners.

Montefrio

Incremental defiance and passive resistance toward federal policies is the way to go. The permanently choleric may be disappointed if their dreams of violent conflicts don’t come true, but cooler heads are likely to prevail. One never knows, of course, but…

Like Fred, I live in Latin America, but much further south. Those who dismiss Latin America as being nothing more than “third world hell-holes” are being short-sighted: my guess is that they haven’t spent much time here. To be sure, there are some truly wretched parts of it, but that’s true of nearly anyplace. As the world’s financial architecture changes (I share the JC Collins point of view), greater development liquidity will provide significant growth opportunity for this part of the world and it wouldn’t surprise me to see it begin to metamorphose into a region with some of the characteristics of an earlier USA should the various nations adopt business-friendly economic policies that will grow the middle class in the private sector.

Fred’s points are well taken. The province in which I live largely ignores many central government dictates and to a significant degree is “a self-governing country within a country”. This state of affairs is gathering momentum in the US, from what I can see from afar. And I believe Fred is also correct that younger folk seem less identified with their respective nation-states.

As Heraclitus put it so well long, long ago: “No man ever steps in the same river twice”.

sflet
sflet

Secure Our Borders!!!! Have you patrolled our borders? Do you know who’s coming across our borders..we secure our borders and then deal with who is already here!!

Mark
Mark

The civil disobedience Fred speaks of is whites forming enclaves and deciding to bifrucate California in some way.

Let the Mexican or Black draw first blood. Let the state of California raise property taxes and income taxes to support its own Mexicanifornication.

Secession can happen with in states as well. The problem this time around is that other races need the whites. Otherwise, the whites would have already been disposed.

Stucky

So the Beaners are gonna take over the Southwest and the Neegrows the South.

Is there no home for white people? Maybe I should just stay in Noo Joisey.

Dutchman
Dutchman

If we continue to go down the path of self destruction / money printing / outsourcing / rules / regulations / endless taxation / corruption / favoritism – There won’t be anything for the Spic’s to take over!

We won’t be much better than the Turd World country that they left (Mexico).

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship.

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr

“Socialism is a new form of slavery.”
―Alexis de Tocqueville

overthecliff

Put people who employ illegals into prison(even short sentences). That would send millions of them packing. It won’t happen though. Civil War II is coming but I will be to old to participate. The dead republic is already being divided into racial enclaves. Witness the numerous Afroghanistans and Barrios around the country where for all practical purposes the residents enforce their own law(including Shariah) Its coming as sure as sun comes up in the morning. just don’t know exactly when.

overthecliff

Stuckey get the hell out of that place and take your people with you.

Montefrio

@Dutchman

“Spic’s”: learn some basic English grammar so your slurs are at least properly written.

I have a “Spic” daughter-in-law and a “Spic” grandson, the latter a US citizen albeit living elsewhere. I’m a “Mick” (dual national Irish) myself, born in the US but also living elsewhere. Fear not: we don’t plan on living in the US. We respect it for its great accomplishments, largely in the past, but even so. We are grateful to it for the example it provided. We wish it well in a future that is not likely to treat it kindly. Racially mixed societies are now a fact of life whether you like it or not, whether or not it was a wise choice (as well it may not have been): adapt or suffer the consequences, because what’s done is done. Is Fred’s prognostication probable? Could well be.

Down here in multi-culti land, we wish all of you all the best!

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