Mucks’ Minute #12

Old Muck’s Thoughts on Racial Responsibility and Immortality

 

“Immortality. I notice that as soon as writers broach this question they begin to quote. I hate quotation. Tell me what you know.”

Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803 – 1882), Journal (May 1849)

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I love exploring chunks of my philosophy of life for it is not a simple thing to break apart ones’ own beliefs and have them all make sense.  It is actually the parts that make the sum of the person, initially formed in the phase change between childhood and maturity and repeatedly modified and morph’d throughout a persons’ life as he grows older; learns and relearns what is and is not important and what is and is not true.

A persons’ philosophy, when honestly exhibited and displayed for all to see is really a look into a man’s inner being; what is in his mind for certain.  Such a display of honesty will be both self-centered and egotistic after all, in this case at least it’s my mind we’re talking about, so take that into consideration while reading this.

I believe in one basic thing. A man’s mind holds the essence of that person, who he is, who he was, and who he will be.  Mind is simply all there is to define a person.  When the mind no longer functions, the essence of that person is gone.  The mind is where you live.

Do I believe in God?  No, I do not.  I believe that our world and the entire human race is, to the overall Universe, much less than a minuscule diatom swimming in the midst of an near, if not infinite sea.  We are simply beneath notice as far as the Universe is concerned.  That’s pretty damned insignificant.

As a result, we as a race are in deadly peril both from within our own ranks and racial instincts and DNA makeup as well as from external forces of such power and intensity that our race, planet and solar system could be wiped out literally in a flash of cosmic instability.

These “instabilities”, ranging from a simple “local” (our own Sun) Solar Flare aimed in just the wrong direction (i.e.the Earth) or perhaps less common;  a nearby supernova, collisions between neutron stars and black holes and black holes colliding which are detected every day throughout the universe in which we, a race of mites living on a dust spore circling a mere tiny candle within a flammable galaxy, inhabit.  The raw energy contained in one Xray jet from a supernova several hundred light years away, should it pass across the Earth, would scorch every living thing off the face of the planet as Earth rotated beneath it.

Our Sun and Earth just haven’t been close enough (in the cosmic picosecond of our own human existence) to any of these events to be affected – yet.  All life has been wiped from the face of the Earth numerous times in the earlier ages of the Universe (and much of it as recently as 65 million years ago)but as things calmed down some  billion or so years in the past, a self-replicating “something” came together out of the chemical cauldron on Earth at that time and – “life” happened  (or perhaps if you’d like to indulge in a flight of fancy and a passing comet dropped that “something” life form on us in a collision).  Which is not an impossibility.

We are, cosmically speaking, nonexistent.  The Universe cares not a whit for our planet, for our solar system or for us.  Our existence is a cosmic happenstance, the result of a chemical crap-shoot and one which may or may not be a rare occurrence throughout the Universe at large.

This concept tends to be daunting and the idea of a great uncaring Universe is frightening which results in many people relying on the comforts of superstition and religion because they find such a lonely and dangerous image unacceptable.

What it truly means is that the human race is on its own.  We are locked into this particular Universe, at least, by the Laws of Physics.  There is no one to watch over and take care of us, no life after death, no heaven, no hell.  We are just an ever expanding horde of bipedal animals (and most not very smart at that) spreading and copulating and multiplying and eating and defecating and polluting and destroying the only nest we all depend upon to nourish and sustain us.  This, on top of Cosmic indifference to our existence and we are in deep trouble indeed.

Not a happy picture, but one which I believe that truly states the case.

On top of all this, for the human race, there is an absolutely unimaginatively supreme responsibility for which we are responsible.  If we are indeed alone in this vast Universe we have the near infinite and absolute requirement ever assigned to, instead of destroying ourselves, to flourish, expand into near-Earth (orbit, Moon, etc.), the Solar System and eventually the Stars.  We must.  We have to accept the responsibility that the Universe is ours and then, over what ever time span it takes, explore it and make it our own.  We will actually continue to evolve as this happens to enable us to accomplish it.  We may evolve into a number of sub-species based upon our human model. That’s how Nature built us.

BUT – if we’re NOT alone and there are indeed other life forms out there somewhere – from a microbe in the dirt of Mars to a race of advanced beings out of a science fiction novel, we have an equally huge responsibility to insure we prosper and preserve so we have the capability to understand and deal with that other life if it should ever be found (or find us).

In either case it is our job, as human beings to “Live long and Prosper!” (as Dr. Spock said many times) because our jobs in this Universe have not yet really begun.  But we are on the cusp.

For those who insist on immortality and clinging to dogma let me add a point to give even you a moment of cheer.

As a philosophical and abstract point, there is indeed such a thing as reincarnation!  Not the reincarnation as generally conceived of or professed by  “crystal clangors”, fading New Age “seers” or Millennium new comers, but none the less there is reincarnation of a sort.

It begins this way.  The very elemental particles of which we are made did not exist in the Cosmos when it burst from its infinitely small, infinitely dense point of pre-existence.  The only elemental particles that were spread initially throughout the new Universe were hydrogen and helium – the first two very light elements in the periodic table and very simple elements indeed consisting of one atom each (H and He).

Those complex and heavier elements from which our Earth and all of us are made only came into existence through the fiery furnace of the heart of Suns – through nuclear reaction at the center of Suns which formed in clumps and bundles within a few hundreds of thousands of years after what we call the Universe came into being.  As these huge very hot early stars rapidly aged, eventually, in their dying throes, they blew up – supernova, they are called, scattering heavier elements created at their cores throughout space surrounding them.

Other suns formed using these gasses and heavier elements and over many generations of such cycles, as more and more heavier elements were spawned and scattered and regathered, planets coalesced  around new suns from these dense dust and gas clouds provided by earlier generations of stars which had died so violently.  Our own Sun will someday, perhaps five billion years or so down the river of time,  expand to a glowing red ball of gas the size of the orbit of the Earth.  It will then collapse with a bang, blowing the remains of all of us and the crust of Earth itself into space.  Into space where it will eventually be gathered up and reformed into new suns and planets and perhaps even life.

For we are all made of star dust and to star dust we will all return.

We are, in a very real way, immortal. And in spite of all religions to the contrary, that’s all we get.

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Author: MuckAbout

Retired Engineer and Scientist (electronic, optics, mechanical) lives in a pleasant retirement community in Central Florida. He is interested in almost everything and comments on most of it. A pragmatic libertarian at heart he welcomes comments on all that he writes.

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B
B
July 18, 2015 8:08 am

A man once said that there are two kinds of fools, those who believe in God and those who do not.

Michael Lewinski
Michael Lewinski
  B
July 20, 2017 10:50 am

With an all knowing being – God – ordering the universe with laws, man is truly a creature favored by His will. He loves us, and servers us. He expects us to be good stewards of his creation.

flash
flash
July 18, 2015 8:41 am

Muck , you rock solid evidence of the universe came into being has convinced me %100 percent that there is can be no creator…..you really should get a job explaining the process to physicists that still struggle with the big bang theory.

http://phys.org/news/2008-06-universe.html
“One of the most interesting questions considered by astrophysicists deals with the start of our universe. Indeed, there is a great deal of speculation on the subject, with different theories about how the universe began, and what may have existed before the universe came into being. ”

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Stucky
Stucky
July 18, 2015 9:21 am

“The raw energy contained in one Xray jet from a supernova several hundred light years away, should it pass across the Earth, would scorch every living thing off the face of the planet as Earth rotated beneath it.” ———- Muck

#fuckmedead, that was uplifting.

Think I’ll just go rub one out now.

Stucky
Stucky
July 18, 2015 10:45 am

” .. it is not a simple thing to break apart ones’ own beliefs and have them all make sense” —MA

So very darn true. I’ve been wanting to put down my thoughts about Deism. I start. Stop after a little while. Start again. Stop. Trash what I wrote, and start over. Honestly, it is the most difficult writing I’ve attempted here. It might never get done. Really.
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“Mind is simply all there is to define a person.” ——– MA

Muck, what do you say is the relationship between “mind” and “brain”?

Stucky
Stucky
July 18, 2015 11:05 am

” ….. a self-replicating “something” came together out of the chemical cauldron on Earth at that time and – “life” happened …” ——– MA

Above = the reason for faith … either in Something or, Someone.

The case for faith in Something. Millions of years + inert/”dead” chemicals + some magical stuff happening = life. HOW did this happen? Give me real science, not fuzzy words. Well, no one knows. No one can EVER know. Obviously, since we DO exist, something happened! We have faith in this non-entity called Something.

The case for faith in Someone. All the explanations for how life came into being from non-life just make no sense. It is all guesswork. That being said, we don’t have the answers either. But, we have faith that Someone was involved.

BOTH require a LOT of faith. Personally, I don’t condemn either choice people make.

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
July 18, 2015 11:31 am

@ Stuck and Muck (hey – that rhymes… sounds like a cartoon from your childhood eh?)

Stuck writes:

“Muck, what do you say is the relationship between “mind” and “brain”?”

I love the following statement and it sums the conundrum of existence up nicely imho:

“I’m losing my mind.”

Question:

Who is “I” and why is this “I” separate from the idea of the mind?

I know this might seem oversimplified but look at it this way: there appears to be a separation/distinction/disconnect between consciousness and mind. One being the energy source and the other being the hardware and operating system. Why is this and where does this consciousness come from? Moreover – what happens to it when the operating system goes kaput?

An even bigger question:

What are the odds that life here on this piece of rock in such a tumultuous and vast universe would come to resemble what it does – randomly?

I don’t have answers to these questions (and others) but the more I look at things the more I come to believe that there is design to this life. I could probably write volumes on the idea but like Stucky it is a difficult thing to write about – especially when one is so overwhelmed on a daily basis with work, family etc. I guess when you realize there is more you don’t know than you do know about existence then it becomes less important to try and canonize it and more important to simply live it. Maybe – and I emphasize maybe – our lives/existence are little more than a gift and an opportunity to experience, learn and interact with the universe as a whole.

Food for thinking…

Fran

m111ark
m111ark
July 18, 2015 5:08 pm

Got the point where you said you do not believe in God… stopped there because anything you have to say is irrelevant. I do not as a rule engage anyone about the existence of God(or not) because I’ll never convince anyone – as that’s the way it should be.

I went to SEA back in the day and found a people who lived a completely different life from anything I had experienced – and had a totally different way of thinking. That being the case I decided there was no way I was going to able to determine which one of the many religions was right.

It wasn’t until many years later that I began my own exploration of the matter… took me about 2 years to decide that none of them were correct but that was only because I discovered truth. I believe I found this source because I sincerely wanted to know.

If I could discover what’s real, anyone can. Sincerely seek truth and you’ll find it.

Oh, and the ONLY way to immortality is to die. Works every time.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
July 18, 2015 6:02 pm

One of the big mysteries for me is “where does religious faith come from”? I have faith in the Sun rising/setting and I have faith in my friends and family and even faith that da gooberment will fuck up almost anything they touch. That’s about all the faith I have. I’m a see it, hear it, touch it, taste it kinda guy.

So where does belief in a higher power come from? My brother was the same as me until one day in a time of crisis, he says that God “spoke to him”. Personally, if that happened to me I’d attribute it to an errant flashback caused by using too much acid during my youth.

I’ve never felt the slightest need to believe in a higher power. I don’t feel like anything is missing in my life. I don’t experience any more successes or failures in life than those who believe. I don’t feel bad for not believing either. I’ve survived hurricanes, tornadoes, hail storms, ice storms, car crashes and all sorts of accidents resulting from both stupidity and chance and fared no worse or better than the faithful. I’ve also prospered and led an amazingly satisfied life with nary a belief in God, Satan, Heaven or Hell.

Given the basic tenants of Christianity and my own random observations of the faithful I can only conclude that most of them don’t really believe if judged by their actions. Priests that molest kids? These asswipes believe? Really? Many others do even worse yet believe in God and think they are deserving of Heaven? Why is it that so many people “find God” only after they’ve practically ruined their lives? Do you have to be a total fuck up to receive an epiphany or do you have to be too weak to accept that there are consequences to actions and therefore pawn your tribulations off on a third party.

Apparently I don’t have to believe in a supreme being to live a better life than many so called believers but I still don’t get where faith comes from. I’m not even sure it’s real. If religion did not exist anywhere in the world and someone showed up today with the story of Christianity not one in a million would buy that shit

So where does religious faith come from?

Stucky
Stucky
July 18, 2015 8:03 pm

“Got the point where you said you do not believe in God… stopped there because anything you have to say is irrelevant.” ———- m111ark

Holy Crap!!! So, you ONLY read stuff if it’s written by a Christian? You’re not very smart, are you?

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“Sincerely seek truth and you’ll find it.” ———- m111ark

Muck DID seek truth … and he FOUND it. He found what works for HIM. Just as you found what works for YOU. Why be such an arrogant know-it-all asshole … as if you, and you alone, are the final arbiter of all that is true?

m111ark
m111ark
July 19, 2015 8:38 am

That’s the thing about Truth Stuck, it’s universal… does not depend on ANY so-called religion. Nor do I consider Christianity, they got the central figure right but missed just about everything else. As to what I read, well, how could I tolerate this site if I confine reading to only things I agree with?

You’ll only understand what Truth is when you find that Universal Truth. If you’ve not found that First Source and Center then keep searching.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
July 19, 2015 3:52 pm

Thanks Muck. You could be right about being hardwired for faith. I often try to imagine what my thoughts and attitudes might be had I not grown up and lived in a veritable age of enlightenment. I love knowing all the things I know and having the ability to learn more. Knowledge gives me confidence and interestingly, causes me to question things like religion and govt. even more. I guess I reserve my faith for myself and people I trust.

I believe religion came about because of all the unknowns in the world. I’m sure that religion probably started out with nothing but the best intentions to bring comfort and vanquish fear in a time in which the world was filled with unknowns. Plagues, pestilence, floods, fires, aurora, volcanoes, earthquakes, hail, hurricanes, tornadoes, disease etc were all things that surely scared the shit out of people. Science has done wonders for alleviating fear of the unknown but is probably a leading cause of people abandoning religion not to mention the modern corruption of each flavor of religion.

About 30 seconds after religion was invented the psychopaths among us saw the potential of religion for controlling the masses. A few days later, govt. was invented. Govt “improved” on that control by making it mandatory.

I’d rather put my faith in myself as both religion and govt have proven to be non-starters in that regard. If shit goes wrong in my life I blame myself. If shit goes well, I like to think I steered it in that direction which enabled me to take advantage of timing and place.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
July 19, 2015 4:24 pm

m111ark says: Got the point where you said you do not believe in God… stopped there because anything you have to say is irrelevant.

Nobody here twists your arm over what you should believe, except maybe bb and Billy. Folks express their view and in the course of discussion are forced to defend it. I take the position that it costs me nothing to listen or read. A man that can consider both sides of the coin is smarter than he who can only see one point of view.

Stuck, are you really going to be announcing each time you go rub one out?

I imagine Sensetti needs to listen to your masturbation doctrine, I suspect his eyes must look like hard boiled eggs by now. Every organ, or gland in your body has a relief valve and only the prostate has to wait for external stimulation.

In primitive times, this was no issue as folks availed themselves of poontang as needed. In modern times, one has to pay to play; pay the ice cream man, the movie man, the restaurant, the preacher, the jeweler, the hotelier, everybody has their thumb in your pie.

Free love is no longer about getting some, it’s about not paying everybody to freely engage in a necessary function. That or pay my cable bill so I can watch porno online and get relief that way.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
July 19, 2015 4:54 pm

Very good article, Muck. It ties in with T4C’s very first article. It is deeply philosophical and inspiring.

Here is one thought it inspired in me: race is a superstition. We were asking my granny about generations, she said the fourth generation is called (she was speaking Spanish so she used the Spanish term) great-great grandchildren. And after that? we asked. She said, after that, they are nothing but pueblo, people.

I have no influence on them and their practices as they have none on me. We may have a common set of beliefs and practices but those are cultural things handed down from our ancestors in common. They are nothing and it is mere superstition to think they are.

They told Jesus, your brothers are outside waiting. He answered, who is my brother but [he who thinks like I do, and does the things I do]. Are Christians my brothers and atheists not my brothers? God praised the Recabites for their ways even though they were not professing believers.

I seem to leave things in the air, let folks decide what I was driving at. No point in shoving an idea down anybody’s throat.

Again, nice article, Muck, very nice. It reminded me once more why I like your posts.

Stucky
Stucky
July 19, 2015 9:40 pm

try this again ..

“So where does religious faith come from?” —– Indentured Servent

This will take a while. Please be patient.

I am Stucky. I understand, sort of, who Stucky is. But, who is the “I” in that sentence?

I am not my body. Remove all four limbs and I’m still me. Then you can start replacing Stumpy’s organs; kidney, liver, the python, whatever – and I’m still me. The ancient Greeks believed the heart was the seat of emotion/reasoning. And guess what scientists discovered thousands of years later? The average human heart contains as many as 40,000 neurons. NEURONS!! … in the heart. Wow. Nevertheless, they can now replace the heart, so …. I am not my body.

Maybe I am my brain. Although there’s an excellent book by the title “I am not my brain”. But, I suspect that the brain, like EVERY other organ in the body, is just a machine that performs a function. Am “I” …THAT?

I don’t trust the brain. Sometimes it functions like an out of control machine. For example, more than half of all amputees experience the “phantom limb” syndrome. They experience burning, itching, and often intense and REAL pain where the amputated limb was. What should I think about a brain that can’t even tell the difference between physical reality (no limb) and pure fantasy (you have a limb)?

Or, take for example the sentence, “I love you, too.” Here’s sort of what the brain does; 1) air molecules vibrate, 2) the vibrating air in turn vibrates the ear drum, 3) tiny ear bones transmit the signal, 3) somehow (and this is real magical shit) the vibrations are turned into an electrochemical reaction, 4) then various areas of the brain light up involving amazingly complex interactions — one area of the brain processes sound, another meaning, another memory, another emotions. Wow! It took mankind about 5,000 years to figure out that process …….. but, in MICROSECONDS all that activity and interaction produces, 6) JOY. (Amazingly, the brain just as quickly can decipher the sentence “I love U2” … and fill you with revulsion.) Lol Anyway, what is joy? Can we dissect the brain and find it? Of course, not. So, what’s left?

Aha! I am my emotions and memories! It is THAT which makes me (and you) unique from every other human who walked this planet. That’s actually scary. First, my entire life IS my past. The “present” is shorter than the time it takes the clock to go from 6:0:00 to 6:00:01. Everything in my life … except the current nanosecond (if you want to split it that finely) is past. A person, like myself, who has lived for 60 years has lived for 1,892,160,000 seconds.

So … how much of those 1.89 billion seconds do I actually remember? One percent? I don’t think so!! That would come to 219 days! I do remember back in 2nd grade that during the summer break I was swimming in a neighbor’s pool. There was a bumblebee floating in the water. I picked it up. It stung and hurt like hell!! I remember that vividly … that 15 seconds of my life. I was already in 2nd grade, so I could have said, “You fucken cocksucker!!”, but I don’t remember. Don’t remember anything else about that day … or really, pretty much most of that year. Maybe, if I tried real hard, I MIGHT come up with another 3 minutes of second-grade memories.

So, if more than 99% of the memories that make up me are gone … then who am “I”? Am “I” that .01 or .oo1 that has access to memories? And, what if I develop Alzheimer’s and lose even that which remains? What then? Stucky’s body and brain remains, but where the hell is the “I”?

Lastly, WHERE are memories anyway? Scientists are quick to answer: the brain. Where in the brain? The neurons!! In which part of the neuron’s structure? The nucleus? The dendrites? The axion? Inside the cell body? Absolutely no one knows. We do know synapses fire to retrieve memories, and that’s about it.

Here’s what I’m getting at, finally. Our brains and it’s tissues, cells, and chemicals are matter. And this is where I get weird. “Joy” is not matter. A memory is not matter. So, how does matter produce mind? Guess what … no one really knows. No one. So, people speculate, guess, hypothesize …. and some people come up with the answer …… GOD!! Considering how LITTLE we actually know about the brain, and virtually nothing about where consciousness comes from, these folk’s opinion is AS GOOD as any other.

Still with me? Let me get just a bit weirder. What if the “I” – my consciousness – is more than just chemical functions of a neuronal network of billions of cells communicating with each other? As complex as that is, what if it’s even more complex? What if “I” exist OUSTSIDE my brain .. even completely separate from it? What if THAT – whatever it is, and however it works – is what lives on past the physical death of my body … which I have already established, isn’t me! Maybe “I”, and you, really are made for Eternity?!

I leave you with this 13 min video explaining the difference between brain and mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9NOWGLIVHRs

llpoh
llpoh
July 20, 2015 12:10 am

Thanks, Muck. You made my head hurt again.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
July 20, 2015 12:20 am

Thanks for the careful and considered reply Stuck! I’m going to have to watch that video several times as that is some heavy shit.

Despite being INTJ which means that my thought processes and personality are different from 95% of the population, I suspect that I’m even more unique than that because I don’t believe in God or a higher power. FWIW, I don’t claim that God or a higher power does not or cannot exist, I just cant say with any conviction that they do. I’m not willing to throw in with believers “to be on the safe side” as that would be dishonest and I’m not willing to throw in with believers to fit in either. I, unlike others, don’t fault anyone for their beliefs. As a matter of fact I’m happy when people use their belief to lead better lives.

In order for “me” to believe or have faith in anything I have to start with what I believe is truth. Religion is about a close to truth as government in my mind. For something such as faith, which is apparently shared by 95%+ of the population, it’s amazing to me that no one can definitively answer the question. Not surprising, just amazing.

Stucky
Stucky
July 20, 2015 8:51 am

I_S

Thanks.

That convoluted journey to a straight-forward question is what runs through MY head … when it comes to this sort of thing I tend to over-think it.

If you want to read some really out-of-this-world explanations, yet coupled with science .. just google this phrase: “faith and quantum physics”. Some of that stuff will make your head hurt.

There are much better and simpler answers. For example, I think you hit the nail on the head with your comment: — “I believe religion came about because of all the unknowns in the world.” That is as good an answer as any.