McCain, when a Lieutenant Commander in the U.S. Navy was a Navy pilot (they call themselves aviators). July 29, 1967 while on the deck and in his plane on the carrier U.S.S. Forrestal he managed to screw up procedures (officially denied and covered up by him and the Navy and also even promoted on Wikipedia if you care to look–reason to follow). He did a smart ass punk attention getting trick by doing a “wet start” up of his jet.
When a pilot wants to be a wise ass or show off, this type of engine start creates a large startling flame and lots of surprise noise from the rear of a jet engine on start up–this was no accident. This and the large subsequent electrical surge and apparent (incorrect and against policy) weapon arming (by the pilot) caused the launching of a powerful Zuni rocket across the carrier’s deck hitting other parked planes (photo below) that were packing 1,000 high-explosive pound bombs. The subsequent massive explosions, fire and destruction went several decks below and nearly sunk this major 82,000 ton U.S. aircraft carrier.
This stunt and aftermath caused the death of 134 sailors and seriously injure (blow off arms legs, cause blindness and burns to another 161 sailors) and took the ship off the battle line for extensive repairs. Any other Navy pilot causing this type of death and destruction the Navy would have raped him and he would probably still be in the brig. Why not McCain? Well, first with many powerful connections this “little infraction” was covered up by the Navy (our most politically involved/connected service by the way).
You see his grandfather was a famous FOUR STAR Navy admiral and his dad was at the time of the incident was a powerful Navy FOUR STAR admiral and McCain graduated from the Navy Academy. So the old boy Navy tradition cover his ass network went into high gear immediately; and make no mistake, it does exist and it did for him.
He is definitely a prisoner of the new world order. Taking his orders from the rothchilds.
Get the right picture fuck heads and stop spreading slanderous bullshit! God I hate fake news! I hate the people that write it even more. Fucking scumbags.
Guess we are going from fake news to fake history…..whole lot of fail here.
REALLY? Maybe you’ve never met the victims of this and clearly you aren’t related to anyone who died in this.
Just another democrat trying to protect the traitor McCain
URrrrr R I G H T MAN !!!!! 🇺🇸🐬🇺🇸🐬🇺🇸 THAT F—— S O N G B I R D !!!! HE GOT P A R D E N E D BY NIXSON !!!!!!!!!!
YOU don’t get pardons for good behavior. Those who knew him knew he was a fuck-up of the highest order.
Amanda, I spent 4 years onboard the carrier USS Constellation CVA-64, (May 68- Jan 72)….And, as a “Proud Sailor”, I detest, McCain.
But before I go into the reasons, let me express my concerns of this photo.
A: the fantail, not a aft design that were of the Forrestal Class.
B: look up and there seems to be a helo pad ( the circular structure)..not so….
C: Again, look at the structure encompassed in flames. That’s the superstructure, all commands are there. Not a standard shape!!
D: The fireboat; Didn’t happen! Carriers only launch and recover, at sea, not where a fireboat would be nearby. far out at sea sailing into the wind.
E: In my 4 years, Naval Aviators, Even as McCain couldn’t arm his weapons on deck!
F: Yes the USS Forrestal had a huge explosion and sent to drydock for repairs, have to check the dates. Sailors did perish from it.
In my opinion this IS a fake shot of the real reason and subsequent fires… Whoever is posting this needs to have their balls removed with a handsaw!!
I have no respect for John McCain. At the time he went to Washington, he became as corrupted as any up there, R or D behind the name.
Ronald W. Weed EM3 E-5 Division USS Constellation CVA-64 68-72
Yeah, that photo is NOT the Forrestal. Furthermore, even an Admiral’s son would have been sent to Leavenworth for deliberately if indirectly causing the deaths of 134 sailors. McCain was a pee poor pilot who crashed three planes, and I despise the man, but I can’t hang him for this. This story has been around for years and occasionally resurfaces, with no iota of evidence to support it.
You don’t know what your talking about. I was in the Navy in the 70’s. Any officer could get away with murder. They just get transferred to another ship.
Thanks for posting, man.
S’Damn hard to know “what” to believe these days. ( I “do” think McCain would be a
BETTER PATRIOT if he “got behind our president to “support him” and not “back stab
him” all the time.)……..m’jus’sayin’…….
I must agree, the photo is a total fake and there surely wasn’t a fire boat around at the time of the explosion at sea far off the coast of Vietnam. I spent 22 years in the Navy during that time and I never heard the story of McCain causing the terrible fire. I’m not denying it, but it sounds kind of far fetched to me. I really don’t like McCain for many other reasons so I’m definitely not trying to cover for him. Retired Chief Corpman
A lot of this fire could have been averted if the sailors were fighting it correctly. Some used water and some used the correct method of using a sea foaming agent
Right, blame the sailors fighting the fire and not the moron that caused it….real smart…
real easy to fault the fire fighting tech this far after the event. I bet they fought with what was available. In boot at fire school we fought with both. Admittedly foam is best, but if water was all you had, it could be used to cool the ordinance on deck, to hopefully cool it, and prevent further detonations. Don’t you put this on the sailors fighting the fire on the flight deck you M*Ther *ucker. This was a naval aviator screw up.
Wanna know why??? Because the only trained fire fighting personnel were killed in the first two explosions!!
Wanna know the REAL REASON this fire happened??
1) Breach of protocol by an Ordnanceman who removed a pin he shouldn’t have prior to an electrical test.
2) A shirt during said electrical test for a Zuni rocket caused a short that launched the missile across the deck and struck a plane a couple down from McCain.
3)The rocket caused the plane it hit to explode. That plane and others nearby were carrying WWII ordnance (bombs), whose cook off times (time until they exploded) were significantly less than the ordnance that had previously been used.
4)The lower cook off times of the weapons caused the trained fire fighting personnel to be caught off guard when the weapons exploded, killing almost all of them. When they’d picked themselves up and tried to approach again (those that survived), they were killed in a second explosion.
5) These explosions ripped holes in the deck, allowing burning fuel to fall to the decks below.
This tragedy is one reason everyone that serves on a carrier, especially those on the flight deck, undergo flight deck firefighting training. This is why we have drills on what to do. Everyone that goes through flight deck firefighting also watches “Fire on the Flight Deck”, which is about the Forrestal’s fire in 1967 off of Yankee Station. A lot of the footage for the film comes from the carrier’s platt camera footage.
And this tragedy is in the AO’s “blood manual”, because people were killed because a note/caution/warning was ignored. I was an AO. I’ve seen the video.
While I don’t like McCain, people should know the real story of what happened. They shouldn’t be spoon fed sokoto appease someone else’s agenda.
Awesome reply Ronald..and Thanks for your Service!!
The top photo is fake but the second one is not. The story, although poorly written, is pretty much true. McCain did the wet start (supposedly because he was having a feud with the pilot in the aircraft behind him, but that has not been confirmed), the flames from the wet start torched off a Zuni rocket on the airplane behind him and that rocket caused the rest of the catastrophe. To keep from being lynched, McCain was quietly transferred to another carrier. The Zuni rockets were famous for having electrical problems.
BULLSHIT!! SOP for ALL Navy flight ops is for the tailpipes to be pointed overboard during engine start-up. Was the aircraft behind him levitating over the South China Sea? The Zuni came from an F4 parked across the flight deck from McCain’s A4. This is very well illustrated in the actual Navy film that was running through the entire incident. I’m no fan of McCain, but to piss on the graves of the 134 brave sailors who gave their lives to protect Forrestal is beyond the pale.
Completely wrong. McCain did not cause that. His plane was the one that was hit by the rocket from across the flight deck. I served on the Forrestal and know the truth. Go to YouTube and watch Trial By Fire. It’s a documentary on it. Platform camera footage shows the beginning clearly. McCain is no saint but that was not his fault.
bull
Thsnk you for your service and for the truth!
You are correct. This is a picture of an oil rig fire, not a carrier fire. There were no fireboats in the Gulf of Tonkin. And as an AO I can tell you a Zuni can be fired by any slight charge of static electricity. This “article” is pure crap. I detest McCain, but this is just wrong.
doesn’t look like a ship at all to me, looks more like some sort of platform, maybe oil?
Why don’t they just tell the real story……it is probably equally as damning! I have a deep feeling Trump is right about McCain’s character. As we have already witnessed, he has no concern for the American people…..he is as corrupt as they come!
The top picture looks more like a Off Shore Drilling Rig and not any kind of Aircraft Carrier!
It’s an oil platform.
As much as I dislike McCain, I believe that he was IN THE A-4 Hit by the Zuni, not the one in which a short circuit caused the inadvertent launch of the Zuni, which I believe was an F-4 on the other side of the Forrestal’s stern. No way he could have caused the firing of the Zuni and the conflagration…
Yes those Zuni’s could be fired on deck there was a switch I think it was the down up and lock which is use to test the system.
The photo is a burning oil drilling platform.
I don’t know all of the circumstances BUT my stepbrother was on the USS Forrestal when the tragedy occurred! His bunk was under the flight deck where many sailors perished and many jumped overboard. He survived but not without bad memories.
Uh, look at the top of the page again. That picture is not part of the story. It is a off-shore drilling rig that is on fire and the name of the website is “the burning platform.” The only pic that is part of the article is the one IN the article and that is a photo of the incident.
It’s the cover photo used at the blog not a depiction of the incident, pull your head out!
I WAS ON THE SISTER SHIP ORISKANY, THE START UP WAS CORRECT BUT, NOT BY MCCAIN? IT WAS A PORTABLE JET START UP EXHAUST, BLOWING ON A SIDEWINDER THAT STARTED IT! IT SET THE MISSLE SCREAMING TO THE OTHER SIDE STRIKING THE BIRDS THAT WERE ALREADY FUELED AND REARMED FOR THE NEXT LAUNCH, AND ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE BOMBS WERE NOT THE PROBLEM THE SIDEWINDERS WERE! AND THE REST IS HISTORY!
I think you 100% wrong. The sidewinder was set off do to an electrical short. Your talking about a huffer tractor. A huffer started the fire on Enterprise and it wasn’t sidewinder it was a rocket. The moron that was driving the tractor had the 1,800 degree exhaust pointed 18 in from the Zuni rocket pod cooking off the rocket. The driver was vaporized. 18 Mark. 87 500 lb bombs cooked off plus 35,000 gallons of jet fuel plus rockets,missiles and 20 mm amo. 28 dead 345 wounded. I was a hooker runner on the Big E. I got out just before the fire. I lost pals in that nightmare….
The burning object in the photo looks like an oil platform.
To all the people butt hurt over photo. The picture has nothing to do with the story. The website is called “Burning Platform”.
The picture relates to the website, not the story
I do not doubt you and appreciate your service sir.
I don’t know the carrier or year but have seen the video of a accidental rocket firing from an A-7 (as I recall)that did hit aircraft on the deck resulting in multiple explosions and fire and I would imagine injuries and deaths.
Thank you for your honest observations and setting the story straight. Anyone who served faithfully our country is my kind of hero.
First of all I was there, this story is completely bull sh– the rocket fired completely opposite to what this lying idiot says and struck the fuel tank on Mcains plane. I don’t know what the pictures are but they are not the Forrestal. The boat in the picture looks like some kind of a tug boat and there weren’t any on Yankee Station that I ever seen. I’m not much of a Mcain fan anymore either but if you can’t come up with something better than this you should just shut your lying mouth.
Correction the first picture is not the Forrestal the second one is the Forrestal flight deck
Anonymous IDK I have 1st person confidential that contradicts that if you’d care to find out .I prefer cell .Let me know ,Happy to oblige.Arizonan in the know!
I agree with Ronald W. Weed, that is NOT a photograph of ANY American Carrier. Also about arming on deck, I know today there are Weight On Wheel switches that do not allow this action.
In my 14 years and many cruises, I have seen the Plat Camera Video of the incident on the Forrestal so many time it is burned into my brain.
Also as said above, see items A thru F. and reconsider before you jump Amanda. There are many of us that spent the time at sea on the carriers and will call you out every time.
Donald Butler
ATC
USS Nimitz, USS Theodore Roosevelt, USS Abraham Lincoln 81-94
I agree with you a naval aviator would never arm missles on a carrier.
Ronald W. Weed, your comments have merit. The U.S.S. Forrestal was a tragic mess when it came in to Norfolk. I was there. I saw it. Robert C. Hahn EM1 E Div. U.S.S. La Salle LPD3 66-68.
You are very correct in your report. Was on the gunline 3 times and never heard of this story. And also I used to work on a supply boat for the oil companys. This picture is of a oil platform not a ship.
James Wold EN-1 1970-1980 US Navy.
Even though I am not crazy about how he is behaving these days the pictures shown here have been shown to us in the Navy before and have nothing to do with him. That carrier was known as the USS Forest Fire because it had several of them which also had nothing to do with McCain.
The pictures may not be the right ones but the screw up that Mc Cain made to cause the fire is real.
You have no idea what you are talking about
Why have we never before heard from survivors and eye witnesses of this? I know that had I been on the carrier and witnessed this, I would have been a very vocal opponent of the perpetrator regardless of his high brass ties. Is this so well covered up that witnesses are afraid to come forward? Or is it just fake news? I am very much against McCain but this needs a lot more corroboration or it is just more fake news.
In the Navy, there’s a saying: If it moves, salute it. If it doesn’t move, paint it! Once the brass decided to protect Juan McAmnesty, bucking that decision would have you in the brig, or worse.
Dir sir ,I have personal knowledge of this if you’d care to hear it. Anonymous PHX ,AZ I’d prefer cell phone though so let me know and I’ll get right back to you .Native Arizonan.
Did you meet any of the victims, or were you related to any of them? If so name them please. Inquiring minds and all that…
With all due respect Sir OTR I’d tell you something different and its true. An Arizonan ,prefer cell though. So let me know .Sincerely A in AZ
your to young to understand if u goggle it u will find many spoke up after that happened his dad got him outta that by the way his pappy was a 4 star admiral in the navy the so called accident could of very well been avoided
yeah just like the lies told about the confederate flag !
Well since you werent there and have no idea what you are talking about, never any facts, you show your ignorance by allowing someone else to control your thoughts. Way to go sheep. You all are amusing the rest of us. mccain is a traitor…always was, always will be.
McCain was (is) the classic, showoff, hot dog, screw-up. Every military unit has at least one.
His Forrestal responsibility is a matter of record and can easily be looked up. He’s been milking a “hero” image all his adult life. McCain is a clueless dork who belongs with his friends on the other side of the aisle.
Thank you Texan !
He was a major screw up while in the academy as well. Even his own autobiography tells of some of the “pranks” he pulled while at Annapolis. He graduated 894th of 899 cadets in his class and was a member of the “century club” – that is, he received more than 100 demerits in EACH of his 4 years there. He just decided not to conform with the rules and traditions of the academy and do his own thing.
it happened, asshole !
Hate to burst your bubble ( head ) as I remember very well watching as it happened on the news in 1967. Back when the media did their jobs. REPORTING REAL NEWS !!!!!
I was still in the Air Force back then and remember the Forrestal incident very well. I also remember how quickly it disappeared from the news, and how quickly McCain’s protectors re-bury it every time it re-surfaces. But, KARMA had it’s way with McCain afterwards, didn’t it? KARMA caught up with McCain, BIG-TIME.
absolutely!
not enough
Not completely, there is much more to come.
This does not surprise me. When we get away with things and it is covered up somehow we think we can do it again. Life is just catching with McCain
Too bad death isn’t catching up with mclame. That would be the ultimate karma.
What really happened was McCain was sitting in his skyhawk waiting to launch when a phantom had an electrical problem and launched a zuni rocket that hit McCain’s skyhawk causing a fire. McCain climbed 0ut and helped the Spad pilots and other skyhawk pilots to safety. Lt commander McCain did not start the fire and you can’t wet start a skyhawk. he had 2 1000 pound bombs and no Zunis, he did have sidewinders on the outboard racks but they didn’t go off.
How do I know this you ask? I was there up close and personal. I was his plane captain and transfrerred to the Oriskany with him.
Thanks for telling the truth ,I was there also a few decks below you and you have told it exactly like it happened. Like it or hate it the truth will stand when the world is on fire!
Thanks fellas.
I have zero respect for McCain but in this case the truth should be what is most important. If it wasn’t his fault then time to move on.
Now there u go adding personal experence to a perfectly good conspiricy theory. You should know better sir!
Why can,t you face the truth? McCain was never a true hero he is a disgrace to American people not fake news I was there in nam so don,t pull your shits bout how goody he is as you never was in nam …boy.
Haha!! A faking mcpoopy pants lover
Go fuck urself
Wonderful picture of a a semi submersible oil/drilling platform never knew they were used as aircraft carriers
The website is called the burning platform, moron.
that isnt no drilling plattform i work on plattforms and that isnt one lollll
It’s pretty sad when you can’t tell a drilling platform from an aircraft carrier. I have been aboard 2 carriers that picture is not a drilling platform. no wonder you posted as anonymous. I would to if I was as stupid. I am referring to the second picture with the jet aircraft.
Actually, the USS Forrestall we called the Forrestfire for years. The pictures are used in training films about what not to do when fighting fires and all the mistakes made by brave sailors on this ship. They did not mention in these films the name of the aviator who started the whole thing. Not once. My guess the Navy covered up for their aviator hero. Spent two years on USS Constellation. The flight deck is a very very dangerous place to be.
Lacks specificity!
get it right history.com With the outbreak of the Vietnam War, McCain volunteered for combat duty and began flying carrier-based attack planes on low-altitude bombing runs against the North Vietnamese. He escaped serious injury on July 29, 1967, when his A-4 Skyhawk plane was accidentally shot by a missile on board the USS Forestal, causing explosions and fires that killed 134.
History .com is full of shit. “Johnny wet start” was famous for pulling stunts like that. He comes from a long line of admirals that covered up his assholeiness to save the family name. As a pow in nam the nva called him “the songbird” They also kept him in pc so the other prisoners wouldn’t kill him. You want to verify that go to any va hospital and ask a vet what he thinks about that pos.
Hey Asshol* check it out this is not fake news Goggle John McCain and you might change your mind. If you are Snow flack nothing will change your mind.
Ain’t it amazing how much you will discover when you do your own research instead of believing everything someone else says.
John McCain is not the hero he professes to be, the hero others believe him to be or the unflawed man he’d like the public to continue believing.
No, I am not perfect, I have made my own mistakes but I do think that people need to stop following blindly and accepting people like John McCain because of the position he holds and his claims of heroism.
Sounds to me that John McCain has not only dishonored his family name and tradition but he has dishonored his representation of America and her people. He and those like him should never be allowed to speak, in any form, for America or her people.
I feel the same about all the people blindly following Trump.
Idiot
While the picture is incorrect, the story is true.
JOHN MCCAIN IS HATED BY VIETNAM WAR VETS. ASIDE FROM THAT AND FOR ALL POSTERITY, PLEASE NAME ONE THING THAT MAN HAS EVER DONE WHILE IN OFFICE BECAUSE HE SURE DID NOTHING FOR OUR VETS IN THOSE VA HOSPITALS. N O T H I N G ! N O T H I N G !
Why do you call it fake? Were you even born in 1967?
YES !
Its not fake news butt head.
I was wondering why they used a pic of the Deepwater Horizon burning in the Gulf.
Hey fuck-face… who ever wrote this factual article should be commended… it is absolutely the truth… I was a Navy journalist at the time!!! Wake up & do your homework!!
Can you type anything that makes a point other than you have a foul mouth?
I am the one with a foul mouth and I am also a racist I hate everyone the same Muslim the most. The whole race should bo expunged.
It’s a shame the truth hurts you so bad. Do you need a binky?
Personal account of the USS Forrestal fire, July 29, 1967
“I was the pilot of an A-4E Skyhawk on the port side aft. As I started my engine, I heard a ‘whoosh’ and I saw a low-order explosion in front of me. I didn’t see what the primary cause was since I had my head down in the cockpit, turning on various electronics equipment. I looked up immediately and saw the two A-4s in front of the plane engulfed in flames and JP-5 fluid spreading pools in front of the aircraft. I saw a 1,000-pound bomb roll off the aircraft and roll about six feet back toward the middle of the flight deck and the bomb was resting in the pool of the burning JP-5 fluid. The flames were spreading rapidly moving with the wind on the deck. I began making preparations to exit the aircraft. I shut down the engine and at the time I had the impression that a 20mm cannon shell had exploded in the aircraft. I don’t think this was the case, however. I saw one man covered with flames blowing toward the center of the flight deck from the edge of the planes and I watched him making efforts to beat out the flames on his body. Two men rushed out on my right from the starboard side of the flight deck. Two boys from VA-106 and another yellow jersey came from the forward end of the ship and the three men began to drag the man from the vicinity of the fire and take his clothes off and put the firs tout. The fire was increasing in intensity and spreading as the wind blew the fuel aft and in a few moments a large fireball erupted in the vicinity of the 1,000-pound bomb and engulfed my aircraft! I exited the aircraft over the starboard side and proceeded under the tail of the two A-4s on my right on the fantail and went forward on the flight deck just in front of a line of Phantoms (F-4Bs) that were spotted along the starboard side.
“I saw two of the pilots to my left, while I was still in my plane, still in theirs. One had his canopy closed and the other one, I’m not sure. I went about one or two hundred feet when a very large blast knocked me up against the side of the fighter on my right. I regained my feet and continued on my way past number four elevator and was going around a Vigilante (RA-5C) when another explosion knocked me to my knees. I got up and continued forward and went around the aft of the island. When I observed the first explosion, I saw two men who were running aft with fire hoses taking the full blast. I believe they were killed instantly. After reaching the relative safety of the starboard side of the island, I observed a very badly burned man being helped by another injured man. I helped take the badly burned man down to the first deck. Two other men then took the burned man forward to sick bay and I reported to the ready room.”
Statement from LCdr. Robert “Bo” Browning, a member of VA-106 deployed aboard USS Forrestal (CVA 59). Text and photos courtesy of the National Museum of Naval Aviation Library, Pensacola, Florida.
you can see him in a video jumping out of his jet
You don’t jump out of jets, you are launched. Otherwise you wouldn’t live
It is obvious that you and most everyone else posting on this site haven’t a clue about flightdeck operations, naval aviation or this event or it’s cause.
All operations on the roof are videotaped for possible later review. They are public record. The video clearly shows that the zuni rocket came off of an F-4B Phantom which was parked further foward on the flight deck. An AO (Aviation Ordinanceman) had been working on attaching the electrical pigtails to said missle. He was killed when the missle flight motor ignited from static electricity.
The zuni rocket flew the legth of the flightdeck striking McCan’s A-4 Skyhawk, which was parked, as well as with several other aircraft, with the tail pointed out over the edge of the flighdeck.
I happen to hate McCain with a passion, but even if you could do a “wet start” in an A-4, the aircraft has interlocks that must be satisfied before fuel can flow into the combustion cans, the tail was pointed out over the South China Sea and not on an aircraft beside him, as this sea story of an article suggests.
Additionally, it is McCain’s bird that explodes first, not a fellow pilots.
With the exception of my fellow “Roof Rats”, not one of you know what you’re talking about as you have no experience or true knowledge of working on the roof of a carrier.
ABE3(AW), USN(vet), 1980 – 91
ET2, US99(ret), 1991 – 99
No fire tugs offshore or photographers! UR correct.
I believe you’re confusing the top picture, (their logo) with the story pic. Yeah, that’s a rig, burning. You’ll see that on all their reports, ergo the name
Corsairs and Phantoms flew off the same deck. I was on the Saratoga CVA-60. Don’t know of any other ship carrying planes then to be shown on the deck as pictured. We had Helos, and the radar planes along with Intruders. It could be a very busy deck if they were all to take off. Intruders needed very little wind over the deck to be launched, we launched two at Anchor. Looks like and Aircraft Carrier deck to me. What’s your beef?
This is not FAKE NEWS! I was in Navy Aviation from 69′-73′ and made 3 Westpac cruises aboard the Forrestal. It is common knowledge among the Navy Aviation community that McCain did wet-start his A-4 Skyhawk and put in motion the series of events that killed and wounded all of those sailors. The following day, McCain was transferred to the Oriskany and the following week the was shot down. That’s how karma is supposed to work.
You are a LIAR! The Forrestal never made a WestPac cruse. It was stationed in the Med except for its trip to Vietnam in ’67. Did you even try or are you just writing this from your parents basement?
bull
Fake news? I just spent an entire day researching this guy. Read the accounts by his fellow sailors on the Forrestal and read first hand accounts by his fellow POW’s. Apparently you’re gainfully employed and only have time for a quick comment here or there. I am a retired educator of 35 years and am now retired. I have the time to find out things for myself. Do yourself a favor and read about this guy, I never knew either. You’ll be glad you did! Have you never wondered where all of his peers, Navy pilots and then POW pilots have NEVER stood on a stage with him, or campaigned for him…
The picture is of an oil well, however the story is true!
TRUTH HURTS DONT IT
MOJAVEGREEN; WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT McCAIN AND THE EXPLOSION HE CAUSED IN WATERS OFF VIET NAM, IS 100%, TOTAL TRUTH.I WAS IN VIET NAM WHEN IT HAPPENED,AND THERE WAS A HUGE&QUICK COVER-UP DUE TO HIS FATHER & GRANDFATHER BEING NAVY ADMIRALS.GRAND FATHER LONG RETIRED,FATHER STILL ACTIVE AT THE TIME. SO MISS MO-JO COCK SUCKER,YOU ARE THE AFOREMENTIONED MENTIONED {FUC-ING SCUMBAG]. IF YOU CANT READ, ORHAVE NO FRIENDS WHO CCAN READ, JUST GO DOWN TO YOUR LOCAL LIBRARY,AND GET A KID IN THERE TO READ THE STORY TO YOUR DUMB ASS!!!!! 1967 WAS THE YEAR!!!
YOU THINK THIS DIDNT HAPPEN? Then fucking prove it didn’t! McCain is a twisted little man that hates everything that he didn’t personally come up with! Problem is he is mostly a Libtard without a goddamn original thought in his cloudy little brain, he turns out fucked up kids all gay and shit, that ain’t right😡
Well, the photo’s wrong, but the event was quite real, and yes, McCain’s daddy was the Admiral. I remember reading about this in Reader’s Digest back in the 1960’s. He did sort of redeem himself later when a POW and refused special treatment due to his family connections, choosing to endure the Hanoi Hilton with his fellow POW’s.
I was in the Navy and received electronic systems that were blackened by this fire, it was a terrible event for sailors. I investigated and for sure McCain was shipped out immediately; the missiles came from his area (A4’s getting ready for flight); and by rumor he was doing the wet start garbage that started the events. Also his dad and granddad were the Navy big cheeses at the time. I may be biased, I have never like McCain for this reason so my judgement is slanted, I wish they could have done a better investigation but his dad was in charge.
The story I read said the zuni rocket was cooked off by the exhaust of a turbine powered NC-2. There is a flight deck video tape of it. Mc Cain was an LT when he was shot down. I’m not a big fan of Mc Cain but there seem to be a lot of holes in this story.
this version of the incident is disputed what is not disputed mccain crashed two planes and damaged a third plane. any other cadet would have been kicked out of the program afyer the first crash.
Mojavegreen, You are right.
Prove it wrong!!!
this is not fake news.. Johnny wetstart McCain needs to be in prison
Hey you clown this is real u piece of sht.
John McCain was NOT involved in the USS Forrestal accident. His name was NEVER brought up. It wasn’t his jet that let go of the Zuni that caused the explosion.
Here’s a YouTube Documentary that’s pretty interesting:
Oh yes he was! I was in the Navy and I remember my CO telling us this story. There is a huge picture of it at Great Lakes!
history.com look it up lol With the outbreak of the Vietnam War, McCain volunteered for combat duty and began flying carrier-based attack planes on low-altitude bombing runs against the North Vietnamese. He escaped serious injury on July 29, 1967, when his A-4 Skyhawk plane was accidentally shot by a missile on board the USS Forestal, causing explosions and fires that killed 134.
It pays to have friends in high places to cover up bad behavior. It didn’t work quite so well for the “Songbird” with the propaganda tapes he made for the Viet Cong.
But look at the bright side. When released he hadn’t lost a lot of weight like everyone else. And kimchee can taste pretty good when prepared properly for special guests.
You’re right, it was not his jet that fired the Zuni rocket. It was the F-4 parked behind McCain’s A-4. It was set off by the fire, not some electrical problem, although Zuni’s were famous for that.
WRONG STEVE. IT WAS FIRED FROM McCAIN’S A-4,SITTING ON DECK WAITING TO LAUNCH.
This was actually pretty well done however having been in the Navy in 1967 and having to bring one of my shipmates home who died in this incident I would like to make a couple of comments. 1. We did not use European weights, measures, or, comments. An American commentater who knew that would have helped. 2. In 1967 we did not have any Commodores! A Rear Admiral rates two stars, would have felt better seeing that. 3. Saw or heard no mention of McCain. Makes me wonder!
HE CERTAINLY WAS THE INSTIGATOR OF THAT EXPLOSION. YOU HAVE BEEN TAKEN OVER BY THE COVER-UP,SCANDAL. DO NOT DEFEND THAT TRAITOR,SCUMBAG.HE ALSO DID AND ADMITTED TO GIVING THE ENEMY INFORMATION IN EXCHANGE FOR EARLY RELEASE FROM POW CAMP,AND NUMEROUS OTHER PRIVILEGES. ALL SWORN TO UNDER OATH BY THE OTHER POW’S THERE. YOU NEED TO GO SEE YOUR PROCTOLOGIST, AND GET AN EXAM.
John McCain was on USS Forrestal that day & did cause the disaster, then left without helping his mates. I find it strange that he was not mentioned in this documentary although his name is listed in the beginning with the other pilots.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081007_investigating_john_mccains_tragedy_at_sea
An Admiral dad can come in handy for managing the official cover-up reports.
He is a disgrace to the uniform and to the citizens of this country. He should have been executed by the Viet Cong!
Agreed
YOU don’t get pardons for good behavior. Those who knew him knew he was a fuck-up of the highest order.
YOU don’t get pardons for good behavior. Those who knew him knew he was a fuck-up of the highest order.His whole life is built on lies and ineptitude. Sawed off unintelligent nam version of Tokyo Rose.ARIZONA KEEPS DELIVERING THIS GARBAGE TO US EVERY 6 YEARS. IMPOSTOR. BURN IN HELL BITCH.
AM A DEMOCRAT, SO PLEASE STOP MAKING ALL DEMOCRATS LIKE EVIL…I KNOW SOME REPUBLICANS THAT ARE VERRY BAD TOO…ABOUT McCAIN, I HEARD A LOT OF BAD STORIES WILE I SERVED IN VIETNAM AND THAT WAS ONE OF THEM..THIS IS THE SECOND TIME SINCE THAT FIRST TOUR…AND ITS BEEN 39 YEARS…WOW…THERE MUST BE SOME TRUE TO IT…
THIS IS NOT “fake news” I WAS IN THE NAVY AT THAT TIME AND READ ALL THE NEWS IN THE “stars & stripes” MILITARY NEWSPAPER. LT.CMDR. McCAIN WAS THE PILOT THAT (supposedly, accidentally) LAUNCHED THAT “ZUNI” MISSILE. TORE HOLES IN THE DECK AND DID MERCILESSLY KILL ALL THOSE 134 SAILORS, DARN NEAR SUNK THAT CARRIER, IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE BRAVE MEN AND SHIPMATES OF THOSE THAT LOST THEIR LIVES..
I never did like this guy ever since he collaborated with the enemy (N.Vietnamese) while in Hanoi Hilton. Yes, that news is real news too,but also not carried by some mainstream media of the time.
This is all Bull Shit!
Why not have John McCain take a lie detector test ? If he’s innocent of the charge he should be happy to put this story to rest once and for all. Moreover we could also ask him about his involvement in the cover up of the Israeli attack on the U.S.S Liberty. The truth will set him free or put him in prison
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John McCain is with out a doubt a war hero!! However he’s a war hero to the North Vietnamese. Old” wet start ” single handedly destroyed more navy aircraft and property and took out of service a U.S. aircraft carrier and killed and wounded more navy service men than the VC ever could!! There should be a statue erected to the “hawk that couldn’t fly but could sing” in front of the Hanoi Hilton saying: “We couldn’t have done it with out you” Comrade.
Him getting his ass shot out of the air and stuck in the Hanoi Hilton was probably the best thing for him and his career. He likely would have killed himself and possibly many others had his flying career continued. The ones in power have covered up there blunders for time immemorial, it wont change any time soon.
Bob.
Him getting shot was the best thing for our troops, and for the country. The man is no hero, and this article proves it.
The article is nothing but lies. People may not like his politics but he is in fact a War hero. He did not CAUSE this crap.
Didn’t know Lindsey Graham read this blog.
Calling something a lie when you can’t back up your ignorance makes you a blind fool. The U.S.S. Forrestal fire is a well documented fact.
It is true that the incident concerning the Forrestal is “a documented fact”. A friend from school, AN Charles Edward Long, died there that day. Should you care to research google “list of those killed on forrestal 29july67” to verify name. I despise RINO John McCain about as much as anyone. However, I refuse to lay the blame for that incident at McCain’s feet! There is a documentary on youtube of a US Navy Commander’s independent investigation (not involved with any government agency) explaining the true causes of that tragedy. Until it is refuted I will believe the Commander’s report…..P.S. I have but now noticed the previously mention report is posted by blogger “Joel” below!…. Semper Fi
Thank you for your rational post, I fully agree. I believed I viewed this. It was a very intense investigation on the “actual” cause.
I do, however, believed (IMHO) think McCain is a hot dog, always given more credit that is deserved.
You know more than you’re saying. He got the name “Hot Dog” in flight school in Florida long before he caused this worse Naval Disaster of the Entire Vietnam war. I have personally talked to the Flight instructor’s son in law about his “experience” in flight school, and someone should look up his scores there, starting at the bottom of the list, and not going any further up than the last name. As for the story in the article I personnaly talked with a Forrestal sailor who was on board the ship that fateful day, and he said the same as the story line that was posted here. I also state the picture is NOT of the incident that day as no Tugs were in the middle of the Tonkin Gulf, but the destroyer I was on and our sister ship were both right there fighting that fire… They were listing between 20 and 22 degrees by the time we got to them, and there was a great deal of worry that unless the fires were put out, that the Forrestal would sink; that God it didn’t, and the people of that ship deserve the credit for saving that ship, yet none were ever awarded at least the Meritorious Unit Commendation Ribbon like the sailors of both destroyers were…? As for McCain he needs to be removed from America and “Hanoi John” needs to be relocated back in Vietnam, in the least
The fire was real this story is bullshit! Educate yourself about it first then speak. you lack true knowledge of the fire
You are right about that it is a lie, I hate the man myself but you have to have truth and this was investigated. Before they got to the gulf, they had ruled that the pig tails should be plugged in before taking to the launching pads, against Known safety practices, combined with Out Dated Ordnance delivered the day before from WWII, And a whole LOT of safety violations caused it. He was Known as Song Bird McCain and did violate orders, And I can not stand him, BUT TRUTH instead of mindlessly following something is very IMPORTANT!
You want Proof, Learn about it, I was an AO on The USS Midway, My self, I do understand what happened.
Documentary: USS Forrestal Aircraft Carrier Disaster
IDIOT! McCain’s Skyhawk was ON THE RECEIVING END of the rocket next to White’s. How is he supposed to have caused the rocket on a plane parked on the opposite side of the carrier to fire? By using the force?! You might think that McCain really is a Sith lord, but come on!!
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081007_investigating_john_mccains_tragedy_at_sea
You know why his nickname is Songbird? For “singing” for the enemy in POW camp.. he’s a traitor, not a hero. The other POWs gave him the name for selling out. The other POWs were there, they know.
How tragic, my dad was in the Navy at that time, is was on a repair ship I’m sure he knew men on that ship. We lived in Forrestal Village on base ( Great Lakes Naval station)in 1968 til 1971 when my dad retired.
McCain is part of the problem!
All because you say so. You won’t even use your name. Anonymous! And you site no Proof. You are as bad as McCain. You are even a coward!
Go to YouTube and search Trial by Fire. It has the platform camera footage of the fire. McCain was not responsible for the fire or any damage to anything. He’s no saint now, but he was a victim in 67 on the Forrestal. This is an irrefutable fact. Can’t be changed by wanting it to.
You are correct. Facts prove out he didn’t cause this. However his stupidity and cows hit action contributed to the confusion. Hero? Not close, ask his fellow POW’s. Stupid, in my opinion absolutely. He was shot down because he was not following mission flight rules . You will never hear that, why? Ask the Navy and his admiral father AND grandfather.
His only action was escaping an aircraft that was about to explode. He caused no confusion on the flight deck. He was in no way at fault for anything that happened that day. The only confusion was when the flight deck fire crews were wiped out due to the 500 lb and 1,000 lb bombs exploding from the intense heat. This was a major tragedy but it changed the way ships crews were trained in the future.
Once a maverick always a maverick
I read somewhere he got his ass shot down because he didn’t follow orders…It sounds like him…
Well said.
We all know how close you are to him Lindsey, but the facts are the facts. He most certainly did do it- the article is documented fact and completely true.
I was there when this happened. McCain was in an A-4 Attack plane. It only carried bombs not rockets. He was on the port side of the ship. The 5 inch Zuni rocket was fired from an F-4 fighter plane on the starboard side of the ship. The fired rocket hit the belly tank on McCain’s airplane and ignited the jet fuel in the tank. He in no way started the fire or contributed to it. The author of the article obviously has an axe to grind against McCain. Read the book Sailors to the End by Gregory Freeman and you will learn the truth.
Thank you for your service, Mr. Crutchley.
I was only 5 when this happened but I love learning about things like this.
You were great in the documentary, too! 🙂
I think it’s pretty awesome we have someone right here who was RIGHT THERE; to set the record straight.
God Bless
Thank you for the eyewitness report. And thanks for your service.
Yes he did cause this crap. You must be a mcCain liberal.
I’d remain “Anonymous” also if I exposed my slavish devotion to liberalism.
He even grassed on his fellow inmates when he was a resident at the Hanoi Hilton
You are 100% correct. People will believe anything. McCain was a victim and was nearly killed himself.
He caused this to happen by begin a smart Ass…and 134 sailors died, and another 161 were burned and caused Blindness. But I guess having a Grand daddy and Dad begin Four Star Admirals makes it just ok. You people make me laugh you have no idea about any of this.
O but I do girly he is no hero.
Theresa,
Look @ the above comment by Milt Crutchley.
He was THERE, on the carrier, where it happened.
He’s in the documentary that’s posted a few times in the
comments.
Mr. McCain had NOTHING to do with staring this awful
fire.
Have a good one!
According to Mr.Crutchly, There was a load of WWII Bombs setting on deck beside McCain Too… I find it odd considering that all that vintage of ordinance had been completely exhausted during The Korean War Per DOD records. And the do keep meticulous records!
I watched the declassified video of this on deck event, while at the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard in 1980. I cannot read McCain’s mind as to what he was thinking at the time, but this article describes those events just as I saw them in that video, a United States Navy Training Publication for a Damage Control Class!! Shortly after this disaster, McCain crashed his aircraft and became a war prisoner. A War Hero would have returned to safety with his aircraft to fight another day saving American lives and killing the enemy as directed. McCain went on to use his so-called War Hero status to enter politics and make a name for himself in the U S Senate as he collected a horrible voting record and the tag “RINO” on a year over year basis. Today he is just a hateful old George Soros supported grandstanding fake news developer and anti-Trump protestor. I’d say he is a pretty experienced Liar as well!!
If he is such a HERO why did he need a Presidential Pardon by Richard Nixon???? You don’t need a PARDON if you did nothing wrong. They don’t call him “Songbird ” for nothing. But then that was in the NAM days..which some smart asses know nothing about.
The article is true. My fiance was on the USS Hancock (CVA19) and they were turned around in Subic Bay The Philippines, to return to the line to replace the USS Forrestal. McCain is also solely responsible for the broken limbs he suffered when he bailed out because he did not follow proper procedures. He is a loser, a traitor, and not worth of respect.
Go look in the mirror kid he is never a hero take a look at your comments I see more thumbs down than like.
War hero? Why did Nixon pardon McCain for treason?
A hero does not cooperate with captors when a pow…and THAT is a fact. mccain is NO hero. I can see why you post as anonymous. Do you even know what a war hero is? you wont find the definition on snopes or cnn.
John McCain was the Biggest Dummy to ever attend the US Naval Academy.. The only reason he ever got into the Academy was because McCain’s father and grandfather were admirals in the United States Navy…
McCain graduated from the Naval Academy in June 1958; he was fifth from the bottom in class rank, 894th out of 899.. WOW.. U can’t get much stupider than that.. haha
Then After John McCain finally became a Navy Pilot:
McCAIN THE HERO NEARLY SUNK AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER & KILLED 134 SAILORS
Via Lew Rockwell
McCain, when a Lieutenant Commander in the U.S. Navy was a Navy pilot (they call themselves aviators). July 29, 1967 while on the deck and in his plane on the carrier U.S.S. Forrestal he managed to screw up procedures (officially denied and covered up by him and the Navy and also even promoted on Wikipedia if you care to look–reason to follow). He did a smart ass punk attention getting trick by doing a “wet start” up of his jet.
When a pilot wants to be a wise ass or show off, this type of engine start creates a large startling flame and lots of surprise noise from the rear of a jet engine on start up–this was no accident. This and the large subsequent electrical surge and apparent (incorrect and against policy) weapon arming (by the pilot) caused the launching of a powerful Zuni rocket across the carrier’s deck hitting other parked planes (photo below) that were packing 1,000 high-explosive pound bombs. The subsequent massive explosions, fire and destruction went several decks below and nearly sunk this major 82,000 ton U.S. aircraft carrier.
This stunt and aftermath caused the deathof 134 sailors and seriously injure (blow off arms legs, cause blindness and burns to another 161 sailors) and took the ship off the battle line for extensive repairs. Any other Navy pilot causing this type of death and destruction the Navy would have raped him and he would probably still be in the brig. Why not McCain? Well, first with many powerful connections this “little infraction” was covered up by the Navy (our most politically involved/connected service by the way).
You see his grandfather was a famous FOUR STAR Navy admiral and his dad was at the time of the incident was a powerful Navy FOUR STAR admiral and McCain graduated from the Navy Academy. So the old boy Navy tradition cover his ass network went into high gear immediately; and make no mistake, it does exist and it did for him.
Nice Job John McCain the great American HERO..
Those of us with a good understanding of the politics (and pettiness) of military leadership coupled with the corruption of government contractors conducting business with the military leaders have long suspected this of John McCain.
And to think we could have had him for president.
Impossible to say who would have been worse, McLaim
or obomba.
This who thing is politically motivated copy and paste.
Learn the facts involved in it because the truth is much more powerful them fiction. I am Former USS Midway Aviation Ordnance Man, and as much as I hate to say it, McCain is innocent in this, So you change him from being Song Bird McCain to being Falsely accused McCain!
Ask yourself, The USS Forrestal Only spent 5 days in the Vietnam war, it was taken back to dry dock in PI After this FIFTH day….
The ship was never drydocked in the Phillipines. They cleared up debris, patched holes, etc. And then we sailed home to Norfolk, Va. The ship was drydocked at the Ports mouth Naval Shipyard.
I wonder how many Navy pilots died or became POW’s because of him as well as all of the POW / MIA’s after the war because he stood in the way of any investigations of POW sightings in Vietnam.
There is no stature of limitation on murder, even second degree nor treason as far as I know. McCain’s court martial is long long overdue.
Nixon pardoned Him.
Nixon pardoned him for being a traitor as a POW
https://twitter.com/Crossbearer1956/status/819688575692394496
My dad was in the Navy and stationed aboard the USS America at the time of this incident. I wasn’t aware of the above story until now and the thought came to mind that had McCain done this on the aircraft carrier on which my dad served, I very well might not be here today. This makes Trump’s recent declaration about McCain all the more poignant.
We can only hope there is a special place in hell for McStain.
So no one in the media thought to vet the Republican presidential candidate of 2008?
Oh never mind they also forgot to vet the other guy.
Excellent point.
Please let me underscore that McStain is a member of what political party? Oh yeah, the GOP. So although he’s a fuck, at the end of the day you guys support him.
My point is, let’s start supporting the person, not the party.
The only reason mc lame is a republican is because he couldn’t get elected as a democrat in AZ. Mc lame is and always will be a democrat.
McStain is a RINO who has repeatedly threatened to switch parties. He has been primaried twice and been censured by the AZ Republican party for his actions. A censure that he responded to by having his cronies force the people responsible out of their party leadership positions. The problem is that he has a LOT of wealthy leftist supporters who help fund his campaigns to keep him in office. When they can outspend you by over 10 to 1, it’s hard to unseat an incumbent. One of his campaign operators even knocked over his primary opponent Kelli Ward’s elderly mother trying to harass Dr Ward during a campaign stop.
Hillary? You’ve got to be kidding!
Mr. Annomous, If you think it’s a lie, why don’t you try fact checking. you will find as I did, that in fact this item is true. So, what you don’t know either is that the guys in the prisoner war buildings with him also no he squealed like a baby and talked to the North Vietnames in order to prevent the pain of torture. They also at the time told this to the news media and it was covered because of his father and grandfather. They protected him. The President, Johnson also helped protect him and the complaints about him were covered up as per Democrats did and have done. Check the name of the aircraft carrier and you will find a clue you don’t want to believe. Look in 1960’s up to 1967. Wonder what you will find.
point of note here , McStain is a RINO
Yes, we could have elected Lying Hillary, Fast Boat Kerry, or even Killer Ted Kennedy!! GET A GRIP!! And maybe even a life!!
I am a Republican and I do not support John McCain. In my book, he is a disgusting excuse for a human being.
I don’t know ANYBODY who supports him. SOMEHOW he always gets re-elected, but no one in my family, and no one I know, votes for him. It’s really weird…
I really dislike McCain, but this account is not true. The zuni rocket fired due to an electrical malfunction when the plane behind switched over to batt from apu after starting. There was a power surge and electrical short + an unsecured missile ready to go.
This is a hatchet job much like that attacks on kerry, another bozo, imho. McCain may have hot started but it did not kick off the zuni even if he did, although that is what is reported by many.
from wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_USS_Forrestal_fire
Of course many of you conspiracy types will say the CIA writes wiki entries.
quote:
At about 10:50 (local time) on 29 July, while preparations for the second strike of the day were being made, an unguided 5.0 in (127.0 mm) Mk-32 “Zuni” rocket, one of four contained in an LAU-10 underwing rocket pod mounted on an F-4B Phantom II (believed to be aircraft No. 110 from VF-11[1]), accidentally fired due to an electrical power surge during the switch from external to internal power. The surge, and a missing rocket safety pin, which would have prevented the fail surge, as well as a decision to plug in the “pigtail” system early to increase the number of takeoffs from the carrier, allowed the rocket to launch. (see below).
A drawing of the stern of Forrestal showing the spotting of aircraft at the time. Likely source of the Zuni was F-4 No. 110. White’s and McCain’s aircraft (A-4s No. 405 and 416, respectively) are in the right hand circle.
The rocket flew across the flight deck, striking a wing-mounted external fuel tank on an A-4E Skyhawk awaiting launch,[1] aircraft No. 405 from VA-46, piloted by Lieutenant Commander Fred D. White.[2][11] The Zuni rocket’s warhead safety mechanism prevented it from detonating, but the impact tore the tank off the wing and ignited the resulting spray of escaping JP-5 fuel, causing an instantaneous conflagration. Within seconds, other external fuel tanks on White’s aircraft overheated and ruptured, releasing more jet fuel to feed the flames, which began spreading along the flight deck.
The impact of the rocket had also dislodged two of the 1000-lb AN-M65 bombs, which fell to the deck, and lay in the pool of burning fuel between White’s aircraft and that of Lieutenant Commander John McCain. Damage Control Team No. 8 swung into action immediately, and Chief Gerald Farrier, recognizing the risk, and without the benefit of protective clothing, immediately smothered the bombs with a PKP fire extinguisher in an effort to knock down the fuel fire long enough to allow the pilots to escape. The pilots, still strapped into their aircraft, were immediately aware that a disaster was unfolding, but only some were able to escape in time. McCain, pilot of A-4 Skyhawk side No. 416, next to White’s, was among the first to notice the flames, and escaped by scrambling down the nose of his A-4 and jumping off the refueling probe shortly before the explosions began.
Damage Control Team No. 8 had been assured of a 10-minute window in which to extinguish
Yes. Wiki couldn’t possibly be false. It’s supplied by anonymous contributors.
We know we don’t know.
Hope one of these gets you to the cartoon…
https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/show_picture.pl?l=english&rais=1&oiu=http%3A%2F%2Fimgs.xkcd.com%2Fcomics%2Fneutrality_shmeutrality.png&sp=4446867248e9312d6e6ba09f85614eeb
Soooo…lemme get this straight, the premise of the article is that Mclame screwed up big time, causing loss of life, severe injuries and significant damage to naval military assets.
THEN, the article asserts that McLame gets off scott free due to intimate familial relationships on up high in navy brass.
Soooooo…THEN, proffered as adequate, if not irrefutable, evidence of McDouchebag’s innocence is an anonymous wiki article??? A FREAKING WIKI ARTICLE?
While I agree both that McTraitor is reprehensible AND this article is a bit Trumped up (like how I worked that in there?) but, you ain’t goin’ to no court of law with a wiki article under your arm.
The point, regardless of how dubious the supporting article, that McFuckup screwed up big time and got off the hook due to pappa’s and gramps’ stars, is well made.
That is absolutely correct as the flight deck video shows. Even if McCain did a ‘hot start’, it couldn’t in of itself launch the ‘Zuni.’ Whoever the cause, it wasn’t McCain—-he would have been burned alive had he not walked out on the pitot tube of his Skyhawk and jumped and rolled through the flames to relative safety (the on deck fire crew then saved his life by dosing his flaming flight suit.) Most of them were subsequently killed by other exploding ordinance ticking off.
NO the wiki-pedia is written by people who don’t want McCain name to be shame.. SORRY.. THIS IS THE REAL STORY AS TOLD BY MANY WHO WERE ABROAD.. SO DON’T SULLY THE PEOPLE WHO DIED WITH WIKI-PEDIA.. (NOT ALLOWED IN COLLEGE.)
While going through naval firefighter school we saw video of this incident. Pictures clearly showed the rocket coming from McCain’s plane and him halfway in the cockpit.
No fan of McCain but I am an ordnanceman…the account above is accurate and on point…with following exception…the missing safety pin…it indeed was in place…but had reached a condition where it should not have been used due to wear and potential to vibrate out…
Fake my ass! Songbird McCain was a spoiled punk. Sing sing songbird!
sorry but when your grand father and father are both 4 star admirals, any story written by any of the navy’s own investigators have to be suspect. Talk to the launch crews who were on the deck that day, members of the ships crew, who will tell the truth and have no cover up to maintain, and you will hear the truth of what happened.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081007_investigating_john_mccains_tragedy_at_sea
Wrong again westcoaster, no wonder the west coast is so screwed up.
So when McCain was shot down and captured allegedly he, due to his father’s high rank the Communists were so impressed that McCain was offered up BY THE COMMUNISTS to be returned to the U.S. to show some type of recognition of his importance as the son of an active duty very powerful and influential U.S. Navy four star admiral (and he was). And then the fairy tale continues that McCain himself turned down the early release while still under the care of a communist doctor for his injuries so he could remain with his fellow prisoners for years and be tortured–oh sure! And remember, any information about his first hand refusal to stay a prisoner comes from him relating it to others.
Let’s say it were true. Then that would mean the hardcore Communist enemy fighting an active war against the U.S. deferred to his “importance and influence” and that of his dad (according to the story line).
In case you didn’t click on the link …. here is the rest of the article Admin posted ….
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So I ask you…if an enemy thought this much of him and his four star admiral dad, would not our own U.S. Navy during their “investigation” of the Zuni missile launch from his parked plane while he was in the cockpit starting it up also NOT do this for him and sweep this little infraction which could have sunk an aircraft carrier under the rug? You betcha! Of course the Navy covered up the Forrestal disaster for McCain and his family and Navy tradition.
BUT, think about this. Since when can any POW tell his Communist captures he does not want to go or do something–and they then obey him and his desires and requests? Anyone who believes that is a moron! It is all bullshit later created to advance a political future for this “heroic” navy pilot and former P.O.W..
But let’s pretend it is true. If it were true, probably the Communists wanted him back on duty so he could blow the hell out of another Navy ship–because they sure did not have the resources to cause this type of damage to our forces themselves.
After the war and the prisoner exchange McCain was allowed to continue his service and retired from the (old boy network) Navy as a Captain (a rank just short of admiral).
There is so much more on McCain but it would take too much to cover. The bottom line is Trump is correct when he says McCain is NOT a hero. Sure Trump is a huge pain in the ass, but it does not mean he does not know what he is talking about either. It is possible McCain did some sort of heroic type effort survival things like living through torture as did so many others during their capture–but he sure as hell isNOT a hero. Being a P.O.W. is not being a hero.
Escaping and then leading an attack back on his captures as Army Special Forces Lt. Colonel (then Lieutenant) James N. (Nick) Rowe did the next day after his escape and helicopter discovery and rescue all after being held in a tiny cage (and tortured) and having to live in far worse conditions than Hanoi Hilton for five years in the jungle of Viet Nam. Rowe, while racked with near death dysentery and weighing just 125 pounds of his original 180, barely able to walk did just that–he insisted on boarding a chopper to lead an attack against his former keeper’s camp deep in enemy territory before they could move to another location. Now that is pretty damn heroic–and he got nothing for that. In fact, you probably have never heard of him.
And when McCain makes self-serving remarks in a recent blatantly disingenuous effort to curry a connection with today’s younger voters in response to Trump’s mid-July comments by saying…“TODAY’S military people are better than his generation…” that remark has him spitting directly in the face of the many hundreds of thousands of those who served, lived, survived and died in our military during the years 1954 to 1981–McCain’s time on duty including his four years in the Navy Academy (the official headquarters for the good old boy network and its graduates).
Last, true to his behavior pattern of it’s always the other guy’s fault and he is just a really sweet guy McCain is working to try to convert and reposition Trump’s public stated opinion of McCain personally to make it look like Trump means what he said is about all former POWs.
Hey, it is just what McCain does and who he really is!
Col. Nick Roe was assassinated in The Philippines because he embarrassed the NVA with his escape and ability to tell the story of how they murdered Humbert Roque Versace.
In reality he was killled by communist rebels who wanted the US to close its bases in the PI and leave. It had nothing to do his previous status as a pow….it was 21 years after he escaped when he was killed in an ambush in Manila. More than enough time to relate any info on anything that may have happened while he was a pow. Just not credible info.
I had just left the P.I. when Col.Rowe was assasinated…YES, he was a TRUE HERO !
” McStain is a member of what political party? Oh yeah, the GOP. So although he’s a fuck, at the end of the day you guys support him.” ———- Westcoaster
If I stopped to comment every time you made a foolish comment, my fingers would fall off.
But, the above is a Special Kind Of Stupid. Might have to nominate you as King of Village Idiots.
“Of course many of you conspiracy types will say the CIA writes wiki entries.” —- Paulo
Actually, the link you posted was written by John McCain.
Did you ride on the short bus with Westcoaster. Anyone who relies on Wiki as a primary source of their “facts” is ……… NUTS.
I’ve voted GOP most of the time for 35 years. I’ve never voted for McCain. Did you vote for Obama, Westcoaster? Twice?
My jaw dropped when I read the article, how many people died, how everything was all hushed up. I was reading about McCain the other day. Article after article described him as being defiant of rules, full of ego. If this was hushed up, what else was? He would have learned early on that no matter what he did, his father and grandfather would bail him out.
Interesting article on McCain:
“McCain is often called a “war hero”, a title adorning an unlovely resume starting with a father who was an admiral and graduating fifth from the bottom at the US Naval Academy, where he earned the nickname “McNasty”.
McCain flew 23 bombing missions over North Vietnam, each averaging about half an hour, total time ten hours and thirty minutes. For these brief excursions the admiral’s son was awarded two Silver Stars, two Legions of Merit, two Distinguished Flying Crosses, three Bronze Stars, the Vietnamese Legion of Honor and three Purple Hearts. US Veteran Dispatch calculates our hero earned a medal an hour, which is pretty good going.” […]
A couple of years later he was interviewed in prison camp by Fernando Barral, a Spanish psychiatrist living in Cuba. The interview appeared in Granma on January 24, 1970. […]
“He (McCain) showed himself to be intellectually alert during the interview. From a morale point of view he is not in traumatic shock. He was able to be sarcastic, and even humorous, indicative of psychic equilibrium. From the moral and ideological point of view he showed us he is an insensitive individual without human depth,who does not show the slightest concern, who does not appear to have thought about the criminal acts he committed against a population from the absolute impunity of his airplane, and that nevertheless those people saved his life, fed him, and looked after his health and he is now healthy and strong. I believe that he has bombed densely populated places for sport. I noted that he was hardened, that he spoke of banal things as if he were at a cocktail party.”
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/20/the-horrors-of-john-mccain-war-hero-or-war-criminal/
Typical socio/psychopath, the type of person who ends up at the top of corporations and governments. Had I been responsible for the deaths of my fellow officers, I don’t think I could have held my head up again, and yet he – he just ignores it. Dangerous mind.
I already thought McCain was a slimeball, but this is truly shocking, even for him. He blew up for the Forrestal by screwing around, wasn’t tortured at all like he says he was, and even attacked civilian targets for fun. And to think, this man was almost President. Would he have been even worse than Obama?
Presidential pardon from Nixon saves John McCain from treason and collaboration charges according to Rolling Thunder Founder and 3 war veteran, John Holland….
Why nothing in the news…
Why no reports…..
Why was the truth kept from American during the election?
Read here … http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/07/18/trump-right-about-hanoi-john-mccain/
Westcoast , you Damn moron , there can only be one village idiot.
I’m with Paulo, I hate McCain, and he is no hero in my book, but the story is bogus. Bring the thumbs down!
know law or no law. reaperishere.weebly.com
i wondered when one of the sites i frequent would bring this up. Don’t know if this story is actually true or not, but it wouldn’t surprise me. One thing that is absolutely undeniable is his shameful treatment of POW/MIA family members once he was in the senate. I won’t hold his possible confessions to war crimes and propaganda tapes he made against him either, every man has his breaking point, and I have no idea what mine would be in those conditions. But he most certainly did sweep compelling evidence that we left peole behind under the rug, and led the charge at keeping the evidence classified. He fucking KNOWS we left people behind, and yet for some reason helped supress this info to protect the lying govt and himself.
Hearing him demand an apology from trump for ALL POWS makes me sick. Trump may be a loudmouthed jackass, but he hasnt spent the last few decades in the senate making sure this information never sees the light of day. If anyone owes POW/MIA families an apology, its john mccain
My sister’s husband is MIA. Shot down June 18, 1972.
Wikipedia is controlled by The Tribe like all Media is. Take all info from Wikipedia with a large grain of salt. Oh, and make sure the salt didn’t come from the Dead Sea.
My dad was drafted for the war, like many other dads were. He was a fat pudgy catholic church choir boy with 4 other brothers but he was the oldest. My pop tells me before being drafted he thought we was the shit, then somebody shot at him, for four years, he says without those Navy boys out there, I most likely wouldn’t be here and neither would you. He has a framed foto of McCain in his garage, I’m pretty sure if I tried to open his eyes, at 74, he might keel over or try and kick the shit outta me.
Westcoaster says:
Please let me underscore that McStain is a member of what political party? Oh yeah, the GOP. So although he’s a fuck, at the end of the day you guys support him.
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Who are the “you guys” you refer to? Don’t assume, WC, for it makes an ASS out of U and ME.
Hmmm. John McCain was shot down in 1967 at around age 30, spent over 5 years of his life in North Vietnam as a POW, tortured, and repatriated on crutches. By that time, his marriage was in tatters and divorce was imminent, as were the marriages of many POWs.
Any volunteers on this site who’d like to include that in his/her biography?
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/07/no_author/john-mccain-is-no-hero/
IT IS NOT WHAT YOU DO BUT HOW YOU DO IT.
Why did Nixon pardon McCain for treason?
no use for the guy, more respect for calley. former pow author was hosting fellow hanoi hilton comrades, in walks mccain hardly acknowleedges the author and takes center stage. cspan from several years back
SSS says:
Hmmm. John McCain was shot down in 1967 at around age 30, spent over 5 years of his life in North Vietnam as a POW, tortured, and repatriated on crutches. By that time, his marriage was in tatters and divorce was imminent, as were the marriages of many POWs.
Any volunteers on this site who’d like to include that in his/her biography?
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and has spent the rest of his life exploiting it for profit and power. Contrast this to the brave but misguided George McGovern who flew a few dozen flights over Europe piloting a B24 but never bragged about it (or even mentioned it) during his campaign.
When I finally pass over, hope to be able to visit the Library of Truth, where I can finally read what actually happened in Dallas, 1963, the 911 incident, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Sarah Palin, and finally the USS Forrestal explosion.
For those equipped with Ouija Boards, I will report back
Old Mexican proverb,
“Just cuz you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.” -annon
BTW, there are quite a few who have “passed over” (as in every soul ever born who ain’t alive) and like to hang out at the “Library of Truth” and since my Ouija Board is always well oiled and at the ready I’ll share some of my other-worldly revelations with you,
1) Mossad offed JFK over Dimona
2) 911 was an inside job
3) Santa Claus – a fairytale
4) Easter Bunny – a fairytale
5) Sarah Palin – (see 3&4 above)
6) USS Forrestal explosion, explained in the article
Hope that helps.
@Stucky: Thanks for the crown, fella, but you must admit what I said is true because at last glance McStain is still the “Senator from Arizona”. Dems sure as hell didn’t elect him, so who the fuck did?
I’m not saying the Dems don’t also have some crooks, scoundrels and thieves too, with Oblunder being #1. AND I admit I voted for him the 1st time, but that was against who? The SAME fucker we’re discussing in this post!!!!!
@Rise Up: Sorry I didn’t mean to offend you, just speaking to the majority of the monkeys.
@BB: Stop getting nervous and upset, I’ll let you keep the title, however I’ve noticed your comments are becoming more sane compared to a lot of the others who post here.
” … and repatriated on crutches …” ———- SSS
I regret that he wasn’t repatriated in a coffin.
Defending Shitstain …. unbelievable.
“Dems sure as hell didn’t elect him, so who the fuck did?” ———– Westcoaster
SSS, apparently.
Greetings,
None of us will ever know if McCain was responsible for the deaths of all of those sailors. Likewise, we’ll never know if his actions were honorable while he was in the hands of the N. Vietnamese. We can, though, judge him on his political record and so far as I can tell, he is a NeoCon of the worst kind. I do not know, exactly, whom he serves but it isn’t the American people. That is a fact.
He is a warmonger and as far as I’m concerned, a war criminal. They still put half ancient NAZI’s on trial, McCain isn’t too old for one himself.
Why did Nixon pardon McCain for treason?
I do not believe McCain was responsible for the Forrestal disaster. That said there is film of him climbing out of his A-4 and hopping down to the flight deck from the refueling probe on the nose of the aircraft. The A-4 is a small airplane and the distance from the probe to the carrier deck is only about 5 feet. I mention this because as others on the flight deck desperately tried to put the fires out and push the bomb laden aircraft over the side McCain made his way to the ships sick bay where he was also photographed laying comfortably in a hospital bed ( which you could imagine were in short supply from the carnage taking place on the flight and hanger decks). What McCain’s injuries were I don’t know. He may have sprained his ankle hopping down from his aircraft of even received some superficial burns ( he doesn’t appear to have suffered any severe disfiguring burns) but in an all hands on deck emergency to show up in sick bay with minor injuries is certainly not my idea of a hero thought it seems to meet John Kerry’s less restrictive conditions for a purple heart or silver star!
They still put half ancient NAZI’s on trial, McCain isn’t too old for one himself.
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Only Jews get away with that shit.
Fanapt.
Westcoaster says: @BB: Stop getting nervous and upset, I’ll let you keep the title, however I’ve noticed your comments are becoming more sane compared to a lot of the others who post here.
HST said, when the going gets weird, the weird go pro.
“His record as a midshipman at the U.S. Naval Academy was dismal. He piled up demerits left and right for breaking the rules, and barely passed his schoolwork, graduating 894th in a class of 899.
That might have been checked off to youthful rebellion. Plenty of kids spent their college years partying but then sobered up after they were slapped in the face by the reality of making it in the outside world. But after he left Annapolis, McCain continued to show the same attitude that had almost got him kicked out of the naval academy.
He barely passed flight school. And then he crashed two airplanes and damaged a third.The first crash took place during advanced flight training at Corpus Christi, Texas. According to McCain, the engine stalled while he was practicing landings. The plane fell into the water of the bay just off the airfield and knocked him unconscious. McCain woke up and somehow managed to get out of the cockpit and escaped serious injury. Investigators reported that they started the recovered engine without any problem, and their report left open the possibility of pilot error.
The next accident took place in Spain while McCain was assigned to an aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean Sea. He tried to fly his propeller-driven A-1 fighter-bomber under a row of pylon-supported electric power lines. This was a “hotdogging” stunt by U.S. pilots in Europe that had caused outrage. McCain’s plane hit and damaged the lines so badly that thousands of people lost power.
“My daredevil clowning had cut off electricity to a great many Spanish homes,” McCain wrote later, “and created a small international incident.”
In 1965, McCain flew a navy airplane to Philadelphia to attend the Army-Navy football game. On the way back to his base in Norfolk, Virginia, the plane’s engine quit, he said, so he bailed out. The plane crashed and was destroyed.
In the U.S. Navy, for a pilot to crash one plane was pushing it. To crash two often resulted in an official investigation to determine if he should be taken off flight status. How McCain got away with crashing two airplanes and smashing power lines in Spain was a mystery, although other pilots thought it had to do with his family connections.
McCain volunteered for Vietnam and was assigned to an A-4 bomber squadron on the USS Forrestal. He was soon to be 31 years old and held the rank of lieutenant commander, equal to that of army major. On the morning of July 29, 1967, McCain was sitting in the cockpit of his Skyhawk waiting to be launched by the ship’s catapult. Another plane accidentally set off a Zuni missile that hit the fuel tank of McCain’s A-4, touching off a fire that spread rapidly across the ship. McCain managed to escape injury, but 134 sailors died and many others were badly burned.
It was the worst U.S. Navy accident since World War Two and the fourth serious accident McCain had been involved in since becoming a pilot. His reputation for being a “hotdog”—a show-off pilot who broke the rules—led to rumors that McCain had caused the fire by trying to scare the pilot behind him by suddenly shooting flames out of his tail exhaust. There was no evidence McCain was at fault and the fire was ruled accidental. But the rumors persisted.”
http://www.pythiapress.com/wartales/McCain-Shootdown.htm
Great article! Read it. Sounds like all of McCain’s injuries resulted from his improper ejection from plane (not that I’d do better). You can see from the article that McCain tells half-truths, spins things in his favor. I hate people like that.
I noticed no one mentioned that McCain weighed in at 30 pounds more than his fellow POWs when they were released by the VC. I know I always gain weight when subjected to ‘torture and starvation’.
Anonymous – that was funny!
This is what is wrong with the world, too many people who don’t take the time to learn the truth. You are living in your own ignorant sadness.
Factcheck.org morons
Wasn’t McCain’s father somehow involved / in charge when the attack on the Liberty took place?
The basic problem with this article is it is contradicted by facts.
First- there is clear evidence- the flight deck was filmed- that the fire was caused by a Zuni rocket being fired from an F-4 John McCain was in an A-4 on the other side of the ship.
Next I have seen the claim made that the F-4 was behind John McCain- which was not the case McCain’s A-4’s tail was pointed towards the ocean the only way an F-4 was behind him would be if it was in flight but the video shows the F-4 was parked on the deck.
If you want to be critical of John McCain go after his congressional record, desire to start wars and things he actually did.
Sounds like McCain is pathological liar like hilery Clinton or pinnochio o Nama
Oh, so much quackery here.
1) McCain was in an A-4 Skyhawk, which DOES NOT have a afterburner. Therefore, he cannot have done a “Wet Start”, much less cook off the rocket with it. In fact, the only aircraft on the ship that had A/Bs were F-4 Phantom IIs, the tails of which were pointed over the starboard edge of the flight deck.
2) In fact, the accident was caused by a number of factors:
A) It was in part a malfunction of the ammunition’s safeties that sparked the disaster. The ammunition in question, was a Zuni missile on the aftmost of the F-4s.
B) It was also in part due to a wartime deciscion by Commanding officers to permit deck crew to connect the firing circuits to the armaments during preflight to prevent potentially fatal delays in launch and recovery ops.
C) A power surge when the pilot of said Phantom switched from the “Start-cart” to the onboard systems that triggered one of the missiles.
3) The missile ruptured and ignited the fuel tank of the Skyhawk NEXT TO McCain. This cooked off an aging, defective bomb that killed and/or incapacitated the flightdeck’s fire crew (including the chief who died when he recognized the risk and attempted to save his men) following this, the untrained crew tried to put out the fire using a combination of retardant foam and water. The water, however only served to spread the fire due to the difference in density between hydrocarbons (Fuel, oil, natural gas, etc.) and water.
It was, in fact, a failure of Naval Command that caused the accident, not John McCain.
Sources:
https://youtu.be/kPDg2UwGOmU (National Geographic, US Department of the Navy)
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/09/mccains-plane-crashes/
Today is my brothers’ birthday…he died two years ago. He was the catapult officer on duty standing by John McCain’s aircraft when the explosion occurred. While he did not like McCain, having been in flight training with him, he never said anything about McCain starting the fire. All he talked about was the lose of lives and the super heroics of those who were on the deck. He did say that McCain lost no time in having his father take him off the Forrestal.
my dad was one of those heros and lived a sad life after that, he had nightmares of it and got cancer, he never had anything bad to say about his time in the navy, he never was treated as a hero either, i know the people left there went through alot to fight those fires and take care of the injured and dead, it was a sad time, i was i think 13 years old
This is really sad. The article is bogus with invented facts and vitriol substituted for substance. The actual story is that a Zuni missile launched accidentally from a Phantom fighter (because of ground crew defeating safety measures) struck an A4 on the other side of the flight deck causing the explosion and following inferno. John McCain, like him or not, was in an A4 adjacent to the A4 hit by the missile and had nothing to do with the sequence of events which lead to the deaths of 134 sailors.
What is ugly is seeing a factually incorrect “article” set off an explosion of character assassination and hatred. This brings to mind those wonderfully clear headed Puritans, who were also convinced, on scant evidence that those horrible “witches” just had to be burned.
NO SIR IT IS NOT: A camera on the deck recorded images showing that the Zuni rocket struck White’s plane. The Navy report later attributed the dropped bomb to White’s plane, although the film footage does not seem to establish this definitively. However, McCain has said many times that the Zuni rocket caused the bomb (two bombs in McCain’s version) to fall from his own craft.
Some of those who were on the Forrestal and other persons familiar with the ordnance told me that because the rocket did not hit McCain’s craft, only actions by the pilot could have caused any bomb to fall from McCain’s Skyhawk. These sources—who spoke under the condition that they not be publicly identified—agree with each other that, if any bomb fell from the McCain airplane, it was because of actions that he took either in error or panic upon seeing the fire on the deck or in his hasty exit from the plane. Two switches in the cockpit of a Skyhawk need to be thrown to drop such a bomb, according to the sources.
Whatever the circumstances of the fire’s origins, McCain did not stay on deck to help fight the blaze as the men around him did. With the firefighting crew virtually wiped out, men untrained in fighting fires had to pick up the fire hoses, rescue the wounded or frantically throw bombs and even planes over the ship’s side to prevent further tragedy. McCain left them behind and went down to the hangar-bay level, where he briefly helped crew members heave some bombs overboard. After that, he went to the pilot’s ready room and watched the fire on a television monitor hooked to a camera trained on the deck.
McCain has never been asked to explain why he claims that the Zuni rocket struck his plane. If a bomb or bombs subsequently fell from McCain’s plane as he has said, it seems to strongly suggests pilot error, and if a bomb or bombs did not fall from his plane, it suggests rash disregard for important facts in his accounts of the accident.
There is plenty more about this story that raises questions about McCain’s truthfulness and judgment. In the first hours after the fire, he apparently did not claim to have been injured. New York Times reporter R.W. Apple, who helicoptered out to the ship the day after the tragedy and sought out McCain as the “son and grandson of two noted admirals,” never mentioned him being wounded, although he reported on him more than on any other crew member. This would be an odd omission on Apple’s part if McCain indeed had been wounded, given that service wounds are usually highlighted in such reports during wartime. McCain’s own father, after seeing his son several weeks later, sent a letter to relatives and friends about the fire saying, “Happily for all of us, he [John] came through without a scratch.”2
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081007_investigating_john_mccains_tragedy_at_sea
my dad was on that ship when it happened, you give me some proof, this is not true, im very upset, my dad suffered alot because of this
The McCain story is total BS. There was no plane behind him and no way to shakeup the pilot behind him. I never liked the man. But no reason to make up lies about him.
Bill Shafer USS Saratoga CVA60
NO.. IT IS NOT BULL SHIT.A camera on the deck recorded images showing that the Zuni rocket struck White’s plane. The Navy report later attributed the dropped bomb to White’s plane, although the film footage does not seem to establish this definitively. However, McCain has said many times that the Zuni rocket caused the bomb (two bombs in McCain’s version) to fall from his own craft.
Some of those who were on the Forrestal and other persons familiar with the ordnance told me that because the rocket did not hit McCain’s craft, only actions by the pilot could have caused any bomb to fall from McCain’s Skyhawk. These sources—who spoke under the condition that they not be publicly identified—agree with each other that, if any bomb fell from the McCain airplane, it was because of actions that he took either in error or panic upon seeing the fire on the deck or in his hasty exit from the plane. Two switches in the cockpit of a Skyhawk need to be thrown to drop such a bomb, according to the sources.
Whatever the circumstances of the fire’s origins, McCain did not stay on deck to help fight the blaze as the men around him did. With the firefighting crew virtually wiped out, men untrained in fighting fires had to pick up the fire hoses, rescue the wounded or frantically throw bombs and even planes over the ship’s side to prevent further tragedy. McCain left them behind and went down to the hangar-bay level, where he briefly helped crew members heave some bombs overboard. After that, he went to the pilot’s ready room and watched the fire on a television monitor hooked to a camera trained on the deck.
McCain has never been asked to explain why he claims that the Zuni rocket struck his plane. If a bomb or bombs subsequently fell from McCain’s plane as he has said, it seems to strongly suggests pilot error, and if a bomb or bombs did not fall from his plane, it suggests rash disregard for important facts in his accounts of the accident.
There is plenty more about this story that raises questions about McCain’s truthfulness and judgment. In the first hours after the fire, he apparently did not claim to have been injured. New York Times reporter R.W. Apple, who helicoptered out to the ship the day after the tragedy and sought out McCain as the “son and grandson of two noted admirals,” never mentioned him being wounded, although he reported on him more than on any other crew member. This would be an odd omission on Apple’s part if McCain indeed had been wounded, given that service wounds are usually highlighted in such reports during wartime. McCain’s own father, after seeing his son several weeks later, sent a letter to relatives and friends about the fire saying, “Happily for all of us, he [John] came through without a scratch.”2
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081007_investigating_john_mccains_tragedy_at_sea
My sister’s husband was on the USS Saratoga! He was shot down June 18, 1972, MIA.
Someone should slam a plane into McCain… and the rest of those cocksuckers!
SORRY BUT YOU ARE DEAD WRONG: A camera on the deck recorded images showing that the Zuni rocket struck White’s plane. The Navy report later attributed the dropped bomb to White’s plane, although the film footage does not seem to establish this definitively. However, McCain has said many times that the Zuni rocket caused the bomb (two bombs in McCain’s version) to fall from his own craft.
Some of those who were on the Forrestal and other persons familiar with the ordnance told me that because the rocket did not hit McCain’s craft, only actions by the pilot could have caused any bomb to fall from McCain’s Skyhawk. These sources—who spoke under the condition that they not be publicly identified—agree with each other that, if any bomb fell from the McCain airplane, it was because of actions that he took either in error or panic upon seeing the fire on the deck or in his hasty exit from the plane. Two switches in the cockpit of a Skyhawk need to be thrown to drop such a bomb, according to the sources.
Whatever the circumstances of the fire’s origins, McCain did not stay on deck to help fight the blaze as the men around him did. With the firefighting crew virtually wiped out, men untrained in fighting fires had to pick up the fire hoses, rescue the wounded or frantically throw bombs and even planes over the ship’s side to prevent further tragedy. McCain left them behind and went down to the hangar-bay level, where he briefly helped crew members heave some bombs overboard. After that, he went to the pilot’s ready room and watched the fire on a television monitor hooked to a camera trained on the deck.
McCain has never been asked to explain why he claims that the Zuni rocket struck his plane. If a bomb or bombs subsequently fell from McCain’s plane as he has said, it seems to strongly suggests pilot error, and if a bomb or bombs did not fall from his plane, it suggests rash disregard for important facts in his accounts of the accident.
There is plenty more about this story that raises questions about McCain’s truthfulness and judgment. In the first hours after the fire, he apparently did not claim to have been injured. New York Times reporter R.W. Apple, who helicoptered out to the ship the day after the tragedy and sought out McCain as the “son and grandson of two noted admirals,” never mentioned him being wounded, although he reported on him more than on any other crew member. This would be an odd omission on Apple’s part if McCain indeed had been wounded, given that service wounds are usually highlighted in such reports during wartime. McCain’s own father, after seeing his son several weeks later, sent a letter to relatives and friends about the fire saying, “Happily for all of us, he [John] came through without a scratch.”2
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081007_investigating_john_mccains_tragedy_at_sea
I’ve personally seen an F/A-18C drop tank fall from the port wing station after there as an explosion on the starboard side of the aircraft. There was no pilot in the cockpit.
Can’t be true. How does flame/heat from a hot start travel to the opposite side of the flight deck when the ship is at speed to make wind over the bow to launch aircraft? Oh, forgot to mention McCain’s aircraft tail over water and pointed away from the aircraft that fired the rocket.
Holy shit, just holy shit…that is big kill number for US Navy pilot…of US Navy personnel.
Im very upset reading that mccain was on this ship and may of caused the fire, my dad was on that ship at the time, he just came into the hall from the kitchen when it blew up behind him, he had to throw bodies and pieces of bodies over board, he was told by the captain to jump off the ship, he looked over the side ,saw many sharks and big snakes and said he would die on board instead, my dad had nightmares for years, and he ended up with cancer and died in 1981, he said that the fire and problem started from a plane throwing a spark and that the bombs fell from the plane and the bombs blew up, i dont remember anything else, i just had to watch the last of my dads years dieing and suffering, to think mccain was the cause of this, makes me very mad, i will not say what i really want done to him, but i wish him a very painful death when his time comes, hes a traitor and people need to quit acting as if hes so great, he rides on the tail coats of family, he has no honor, he stood and did nothing to help fight fires or carry bodies, while my dad had too, I am sick of those in government who have done harm to our military and done nothing good for them, I wish evil on them, yes I beleive in god and yes, i know i am to forgive, but i cant, cause my dad suffered and they that lived through this, got blamed that they didnt know how to control the fire, destroying the ship, it wasnt my dads fault, it was this mccain, how disgusted i am to read about this, not knowing all these years.
First things first. I do NOT like John McCain. He was an asshole in the Navy and he’s an asshole now. That being said, this story is bogus. The truth of the matter is that on occasion things made by man fail. In order for McCain to fire that Zuni rocket he would’ve had to select Master Armament ON, Select Rockets, Select Single, select the station that the rocket pod was mounted on (either 1 or 3), have an Aviation Ordnance go into the wheel well and hit a bypass switch, than McCain would have had to push the firing switch. You cannot fire a rocket on the deck accidently. When the landing gear is down the armament system is safed.
That being said, prior to connecting a rocket pod to an aircraft, an Aviation Ordnanceman must run a stray voltage test with a meter to ensure that there the electrical circuit to the rocket pod is NOT energized. It is, as yet, unclear whether this took place. The rocket was fired by stray voltage which is, in fact, a mechanical failure of the aircraft system and the pilot has absolutely nothing to do with it.
At the time of this incident I was an Aviation Ordnanceman Second Class stationed at NAS Lemoore, CA and was an instructor on the Armament Systems of the A-4C and A-4E aircraft.
Jim “Gunner” Doran
CWO4, USN (RET)
The whole story is BS…
As Much as I hate McCain and know he is a Tratior, I love the truth more.
Truth is, they changed protocol five days before that happened, The pig Tail to the Zoony Pod, and the safety pin should have been done on the launch pad as it had been done. Higher ups changed that to save time. The wind worked the safety pin out, then you only had one safety But it was by passed due to them plugging in the pig tail. Had it still had the one safety then it never would have happened. They had Armed Ordnance on the planes when they transferred power creating a surge, and it was nothing but an accident waiting to happen. It wasn’t even off McCain’s Plane, It came off Pilot Jim Bangots plane. McCain was there but he helped to save another pilot!
This was wrote to discredit him for the Obama/McCain Elections, by the Left and Now picked up by the Right! And if it is void of the truth then it is a lie!
Fake News. Fake unfounded, and Fake… McCain should sue your ass for Libel.
McCain crashed 5 jets, plus was responsible for the Forrestal fire. Something made the plane behind McCain fire a rocket, which hit McCain’s external center fuel tank, and caused a fire. McCain panicked, and dropped two bombs into the fire.
Surviving crewmen of the USS Forestal and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that McCain deliberately ‘wet-started’ his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his plane.
‘Wet-starts’, done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.’Wet starting’ was a common practice among young ‘hot-dog’ pilots.
In McCain’s case, the ‘wet-start”cooked off’ and launched the M34 Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured the Skyhawk’s fueltank, knocked the M-65 1000 lb bomb off it’s 500 lb rated mount, and touched off the explosions and massive fire.
When the carrier Oriskany came along side, and McCain was put in a chopper and whisked away. McCain was the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred .I have a hunch McCain left for his own safety, because the crew wanted blood.
I read somewhere that McCains wife waited for him while he was a POW, then she got cancer and he dumped her. Sounds about right.
Retire the Rino and make America great again!
The “good olde boy” network exists in all the services. Do you remember the B-52 that augured in at Fairchild AFB? The “pilot”, Lt Col Arthur “Bud” Holland – who shouldn’t have been “piloting” anything more than a dime store kite – was dangerous to the point people refused to fly with him. A friend of mine stationed at Fairchild quit the Air Force because of Holland and the Bomb Wing refusal to do anything about another pilot; a very, very dangerous pilot. In that vein, Lt. Col. Mark McGeehan, the 325th Bomb Squadron Commander, refused to allow any of his squadron crew members to fly with Holland unless he (McGeehan) was also on the aircraft. “Higher ups” – translation; “pilots” – rarely, very rarely will ground another pilot. After all, who runs the Air Force? Duh! Regardless the service, pilots will cover for pilots no matter how bad. As was the case of hanoi john so it was with Lt. Col. Holland. Here is a great link showing just how dangerous Holland was. Take particular notice of the low level high speed pass that jackass made and note his altitude: 30 feet. The only “good” thing, if there could be such a thing in a stupid tragedy like this is he never got the chance to kill a full crew of six ever again. Here is an excellent link on the Fairchild crash:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13pIC3YcYjQ
Getting back to hanoi john mccain, he was not only dangerous but as far as I’m concerned he will remain a traitor to all who knew him in the Hanoi Hilton. Google him and his POW years and what those who were there with hanoi john thought about him.
I’m well aware of Hollands antics. I saw him crash and die with my own eyes. One of his crew members that day was actually on his final flight that day. His family and friends were watching and waiting on the ground for his post landing ceremonial “hose down” before retiring from the USAF.
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history.com says accident lmao… and who shot it.. lol With the outbreak of the Vietnam War, McCain volunteered for combat duty and began flying carrier-based attack planes on low-altitude bombing runs against the North Vietnamese. He escaped serious injury on July 29, 1967, when his A-4 Skyhawk plane was accidentally shot by a missile on board the USS Forestal, causing explosions and fires that killed 134.
why did John McCain need a Presidential pardon if he did nothing wrong. Think about this and recall his ass.
https://sheriffali.com/tag/nixon-pardons-john-mccain/
I’m not a big fan of John McCain. I used to be, but certain incidents and statements by him since the election victory of Donald Trump have led me to change my opinion to unfavorable. That said, I will also say without fear of contradiction that Senator McCain was in absolutely no way responsible for the ignition of the ZUNI rocket that resulted in the Forrestal fire/explosions. There has NEVER been one scintilla of credible evidence presented that even remotely substantiates such a cruel accusation and/or scenario.
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Listen up Butt Holes and Ass clowns. I served for 39 months aboard the U.S.S. Saratoga CV-60, and we were Her Sister ship. The video of this playing out in real time was a part of our damage control training, and we watched it over and over.
I have no love for the traitor McCain, trust me on that. But that is due to his actions as a POW. McCain had nothing to do with the fire on the Forrestal. The flight deck video system of the Forrestal showed the whole incident in real time.
This story is the biggest pile of horse shit I have ever read from a so called “news source.” I am not even going to argue with anyone about this, because I saw what happened in real time.
I like it that there are a lot of morons posting here that don’t seem to be able to figure out that the Deepwater Horizon picture is not being portrayed as a picture of the Forrestal.
That is a photo of the burning Deepwater Horizon Oil Platform
Yeah, McCain’s daddy also “juiced” the deliberate attack on the USS Liberty, refused to allow the sailors on the stricken ship to testify, whitewashed official transcripts to point the “investigation” away from LBJ and the Israelis…yes, LBJ and Israel wanted the ship sunk with all hands lost in order to make their “false flag” operation work. Israel wanted the US to get involved in attacking Egypt as well as hiding evidence of an Israeli massacre of an Egyptian city…
As far as McCain, himself, he was known by his fellow POWs as “songbird” McCain, currying special favors from his captors.
In the late 1990s, McCain and Kerry both had legislation passed that prohibited the investigation of live sightings of American POWs still held by North Vietnam, Laos, and China. Despite live verifiable sightings, all further investigations were cut off. So much for never leaving anyone behind. It is FACT that only HALF of the POWs in Vietnamese camps were returned. The other half were to be used as “bargaining chips” and would be released once “reparations” were forthcoming. Reparations never came, our POWs fates were sealed.
anarchyst says:
February 24, 2017 at 8:16 am
Yeah, McCain’s daddy also “juiced” the deliberate attack on the USS Liberty, refused to allow the sailors on the stricken ship to testify, whitewashed official transcripts to point the “investigation” away from LBJ and the Israelis…yes, LBJ and Israel wanted the ship sunk with all hands lost in order to make their “false flag” operation work. Israel wanted the US to get involved in attacking Egypt as well as hiding evidence of an Israeli massacre of an Egyptian city…
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I will post an article about this at some point, probably the next anniversary of the USS Liberty incident. The question is did the Israelis retaliate against Admiral George Morrison, commander of the carrier USS America, who sent fighters to defend the Liberty, by murdering his son, Jim Morrison of The Doors. Stay tuned…
Wow. I did not know that Jim Morrison’s father was Admiral Morrison, and that he wanted economic and military sanctions against Israel for the attack on the USS Liberty.
http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-very-strange-death-of-jim-morrison.html
I served aboard CVA-31. The way I heard the Forestal story was different. I read that McCain was in the plane that was hit by a missile that was accidentally fired from another plane. I was also told that he was then assigned shore duty but refused because he wanted to continue flying. He was then sent to the Oriskany.
this story has been full circle many times and only a complete moron would ever believe it. Although I am not a fan of John McCain > These stories are just that stories. I was aboard the carrier Forrestal on july 29, 1967 at b1052[Vietnam time] when a zuni rocket accidently fire from a f4 phantom jet on the starboard side of the ship. It traveled across the the flight deck and stuck a A-4 Skyhawk Piloted by Lt. cdr Fred White ,Lt. Cdr john McCain’s plane was sitting next to it Both planes become ingulfed in flames, lt.Cdr fred White never made it out of his plane, lt. Cdr Mccain climbed out of his plane. jumped to the ground was running from the burning planes when the first 1000 lb bomb went off he was knocked to the ground and subsequently injured from bomb shrapnel and also received some burns Mr MCcain in no way caused that fire or explosion that did infact killed 134 men that day he was not transferred to the Oriskany by orders, he was offered shore duty,he refused it and volunteered to stay and continue flying over Vietnam mr MCcain was not perect by any means but he was not a traitor as was told I have met John McCain on occasion after he came home from Vietnam what he and others went through was terrible to say the least . hat being said I think it is time for him to retire before “all” his good service is overshadowed by his actions of present day
Damn this is like one of those cheesy horror movies, “The Thread That Wouldn’t Die”.
It is impossible to fire missiles on the ground with the “weight on wheels” switch operating. You must be in the air to fire either guns, missiles or drop bombs. The pilot CANNOT override this switch. Must be done by the ground crew and that would not happen with the jet running.