LET’S POLITICIZE THIS

Latest nutjob to become famous for killing people.

I actually agree with Obama for once. The savior in chief again stepped up to his teleprompter and attempted to capitalize on another mass shooting tragedy for his own political purposes. He thinks the murder of 9 people by another mentally defective, emotionally disturbed, unemployed, male loser from a broken home should be politicized to do away with your Second Amendment rights. He blames  guns for the mass murder.

That’s funny. I think this should be politicized for an entirely different logical reason. I focused on a couple key facts the MSM and Obama will ignore:

Records show Harper-Mercer, 26, lived in a ground-floor apartment on Arlington Avenue at 230th Street in Torrance with his mother, Laurel Harper, from 2011 to 2013. Lists of South Bay graduates from 2009 published in the Daily Breeze showed Harper Mercer graduated from the Switzer Learning Center in Torrance with four other students. Switzer teaches students with learning disabilities and emotional issues. A former behavioral aide at Switzer, who did not want her name used, said the majority of the students at the school are from foster, low-income and single-parent homes. Some of these students were expelled from other schools or had been in trouble with the law. The school is divided among special needs students and those with behavioral problems.

It is pretty clear he has been emotionally disturbed for years if he graduated from a school for emotionally disturbed kids who can’t function in traditional public schools. Then there was another tidbit that he posted on some social media site with the alias Lithium Lover. Lithium just happens to be a drug as described below:

Lithium is useful in the treatment of bipolar disorder. Lithium salts may also be helpful for related diagnoses, such as schizoaffective disorder and cyclic major depression.

So we have another male loner who has been emotionally disturbed for years from a broken home. Can someone please ask his father or mother whether he was taking psychotropic drugs of any kind? Or is that a private matter that has nothing to do with this mass murder? Virtually every mass murder over the last 10 years has been committed by mentally disturbed young men who were on psychotropic drugs. Jared Lee Loughner, Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho and James Holmes were all on psychotropic drugs. Why is no one in the mass media exploring this key fact? I’ll tell you. It’s because they have an anti-gun agenda. Obama should be calling for a ban on psychotropic drugs being distributed to teenagers.

The mass murder issue should be politicized. Obama and the mass media should be politicizing why there are so many emotionally disturbed young men being drugged up by Big Pharma with dangerous drugs that have proven to spur anger and mass murder. It will take a non-mainstream media to uncover the truth about what drugs this dude was taking.


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Anonymous
Anonymous

Psychiatric drugs and gun free zones are a bad combination.

Toss in the outright official hostility to Christianity and God’s laws combined with the encouragement of every sort of moral degeneracy and they become downright dangerous.

Stay out of them if you are wise, especially so if you are Christian and admit it.

Winston
Winston

I wonder how many people would have died had just one, JUST FUCKING ONE person would have had a gun.

So instead of arming people for self defense, we are suppose to try to find every goofball that has mommy issues. The argument is so ludicrous, it is beyond belief to me.

starfcker
starfcker

Bravo. Time to turn this rock over and see what lurks underneath

dilligaf

Winston says: I wonder how many people would have died had just one, JUST FUCKING ONE person would have had a gun.

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One person DID have a gun, and was prevented from intervening by school staff. There is blood on the hands of the staff.

An Air Force veteran who had a licensed concealed carry gun was prevented by staff from intervening in the shooting yesterday at the Umpqua Community College during which ten people were killed.

http://www.infowars.com/armed-air-force-vet-was-prevented-from-stopping-oregon-gunman/

Anonymous
Anonymous

Winston,

From what I understand even the school’s security guard was unarmed.

I imagine the school reasoned that was going to help protect their students from guns, something that appears to have failed.

Stucky

Obama’s Empty Gun Control Promise

by Jacob Sullum

President Obama is tired of calling for more gun control after every mass shooting, and I am tired of explaining why that knee-jerk reaction is illogical. But he feels duty-bound to continue (“each time this happens, I’m going to bring this up,” he says), and I guess I do too.

Last night Obama gave an impassioned 13-minute speech, ostensibly in response to yesterday’s murder of nine people at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon, by a gunman who died after a shootout with police. The president insisted that “modest regulation,” consistent with the Second Amendment rights of “law-abiding gun owners,” could “prevent this carnage from being inflicted someplace else in America.” But as Brian Doherty pointed out, Obama did not mention a single specific policy fitting that description.

That telling omission makes it pretty hard to buy Obama’s argument that anyone who opposes “common-sense gun-safety laws” has blood on his hands. “This is a political choice that we make to allow this to happen every few months in America,” he said. “We collectively are answerable to those families who lose their loved ones because of our inaction.” If only we had done something, in other words, those people in Oregon would still be alive. But we are left to guess what that thing might be.

Obama did offer some clues. “It cannot be this easy for somebody who wants to inflict harm on other people to get his or her hands on a gun,” he said. So presumably the “common-sense gun legislation” he supports has something to do with making it harder for would-be mass murderers to obtain firearms. The problem is that would-be mass murderers look a lot like “law-abiding gun owners” until they commit their crimes (because that is what they are), and any effort to distinguish between the two groups is bound to be underinclusive, missing seemingly harmless people with murder in their hearts, or overinclusive, depriving actually harmless people of their constitutional rights. Probably it will be both.

That is certainly true of existing restrictions on firearm ownership, which exclude millions of people—including pot smokers, illegal immigrants, nonviolent felons, and the targets of involuntary psychiatric treatment—who would never have used a gun to harm anyone. Meanwhile, these rules allow the vast majority of mass shooters to legally buy their weapons because at the time of the purchase none of the disqualifying criteria applies to them. Strengthening enforcement of these restrictions, whether by making databases more complete or by requiring background checks for private gun transfers as well as sales by federally licensed firearm dealers (as Oregon started doing in August), therefore will do little to prevent mass shootings, but it will deprive many people who pose no threat to others of a basic human right: the right to armed self-defense.

We do not know yet where the Oregon shooter obtained his weapons (a rifle and three handguns), whether he had a disqualifying criminal or psychiatric record, or whether he underwent a background check. Maybe he will turn out to be an exception: a mass shooter who was legally disqualified from buying guns for a reason that would have been flagged by a properly performed background check. But even if that’s true, it does not change the basic picture: Restrictions on gun ownership affect far more innocent people than criminals, who generally find a way around them, and mass shooters typically do not even need to avoid the background checks that Obama seems to think would stymie them.

There are similar problems with proposals to loosen the criteria for coercive psychiatric treatment. “It’s fair to say that anybody who does this has a sickness in their minds,” Obama said, “regardless of what they think their motivations may be.” But how does he propose to identify this sort of mind sickness before the fact? Only a small percentage of people who receive psychiatric diagnoses commit violent crimes, and psychiatrists are notoriously bad at predicting which ones will.

Anticipating the charge that he is using a tragedy for political purposes, Obama embraced that description. “This is something we should politicize,” he said. “It is relevant to our common life together, to the body politic.” Obama is right that important political issues are at stake—in particular, the extent to which Americans should sacrifice their freedom for an empty promise of safety.

https://reason.com/blog/2015/10/02/obamas-empty-gun-control-promise

Gator
Gator

Fuck off, Im keeping mine. And I see admin had already brought up the SSRI angle before I posted the question in stucky’s thread. I actually stopped at walmart while I was out running errands and bought more ammo, didn’t even know this had happened. We are about to go out and get some things for my son’s 2nd bday, and I will probably go back and get more. I recently acquired something that likes russian steel cased 7.62(something you jersey folks probably aren’t allowed to have, hehehe), and Im scared the supply will dry up, both because its gun related, and everytime obama opens his mouth about it, everyone runs out and buys everything they can, and because the box says “made in russia” on it, and with whats going on in the world right now, they could slap an import ban on it.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Obama Holder Hill are arms runners to known enemies IMO-Fast and Furious Benghazi , they have the Gaul to talk down to US citizens.Lets try these serial killers in a world court

overthecliff

Nobody will say the M word. What is the connection to mohammedans?

Anonymous
Anonymous

overthecliff.

So far the only thing I’ve read about it is one of his social media followers promoted Islam.

Mercer is a know follower of occultist thinking (Left Hand Path), having mentioned it in his internet posts.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see some Islamic connection, but his obviously anti Christian attack (a hate crime that will go unmentioned) could be explained by many other parts of the anti Christian Satanic movements that are active in our country today.

Winston
Winston

dilligaf says: One person DID have a gun, and was prevented from intervening by school staff. There is blood on the hands of the staff.

OMFG!

He should have shot the staff..

Anonymous
Anonymous

Anyone noticing how little is being reported by the media about this guy other than is name and a few tidbits about social media so far compared to other mass murderers the same time after they committed their cries.

Usually by the next morning almost every personal detail including where and how he got his guns -right down to the manufacturer of them- is known and being reported.

dilligaf

IMO it was a muzzie retaliatory attack, for the attack that was stopped on the train in Paris. Alek Skarlatos helped to stop that attack and attended Umpqua College. Just a coincidence I am sure….

Anonymous
Anonymous

Almost 2,500 Now Killed by Covert US Drone Strikes Since Obama …bet that’s lowball numbers

kokoda
kokoda

From the Stucky post at 10:23 A.M…..”Obama is right that important political issues are at stake—in particular, the extent to which Americans should sacrifice their freedom for an empty promise of safety.”

This is an important sentence and should be used to defend gun rights.

bb

Just wait until the economy really collapses into oblivion . Many of these young men will turn to crime.Time bombs waiting to go off ? More like a hurricane of violence heading our way .

Be and stay armed my friends.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard

These psychoactive drugs are broadly over-prescribed among young men. The Pharma industry has enormous political power. What’s worse is that very few long-term studies have been performed on negative reactions to chronic use of these drugs.

This is one of the most important public health issues of our time. The FDA and the NIH should be worrying about this. Instead we get more propaganda from POTUS.

ottomatik
ottomatik

Gun control is not about stopping shootings.

ottomatik
ottomatik

If we want to have an honest discussion about violence and instruments of violence, lets talk about the one trillion dollars of productive capitol our government agencies (all levels, conservative) spend acquiring the most sophisticated implements of death and destruction.
Let us examine, which entities have caused more death and destruction to this point, governments or citizens.
When legitimate talk of governmental disarmament begins, here or at the UN, then I will sit down, otherwise “they” are only talking of subjugating “us” through involuntary disarmament.
A tragic play that has been shown time and again with the same predictable results.

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IndenturedServant

Admin, somebody needs to forward a copy of your post to The Donald! I’m sure he’ll get the word out.

TE
TE

ottomatik says: Gun control is not about stopping shootings.

And if you actually READ the studies, anti-depressants are not for depression either. Unless causing suicides/murders is the “cure” for it.

The numbers needed to treat ( a number ALL should know before taking the FDA approved, doctor pushed, meds, you’ll be shocked how ineffective most medicine actually is. Placebo effects with tons of horrific side effects including death by cancer, or other) make these meds worthless.

The FDA is FUNDED by pharms, staffed by pharms and in the business of shutting down anything not patented by the same pharms.

I now consider approval by the FDA as a reason to avoid a product. The more I learn, the more scared and despondent it makes me.

ps – all of a sudden holistic pioneers are dropping dead and the government is shutting down clinics by droves. Ask yourself how medicines that cause cancer are somehow “safer” than nutrients and other therapies used by man for thousands of years?

We are being CULLED. Taking guns away from us is the ultimate proof that “they” want us DEAD and gone. As big as the proof as allowing marketing and shiny ads for pills that harm far more than they fix. Culled. You’ve been warned – time and again. Without your health, both mental and physical, you have NOTHING.

constman54
constman54

Freedom requires responsibility. There is no freedom without personal responsibility. The United States of Entitlement has become a land of people who want freedom without responsibility.

It started in the 1960’s (maybe even roaring 20’s) and climaxed with abortion on demand. Freedom to do whatever the fuck I want, but I don’t have to take responsibility. That is how my wife was raised and she was all F-ed up. Why is everyone psycho today?? Freedom without responsibility. Life with no boundaries is no life at all and we get what we deserve. You reap what you sow.

To someone raised without hedges and boundaries the world is a scary place. Ask my wife. Break down the hedges and boundaries in life and you will never be free. This may sound like a conundrum, but it is not. A free person will never take the life of another (unless it is done in the course of natural law) or infringe on their rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness.

Abortion on demand, free contraception, free food, free meds, gay marriage, free adultery, divorce on demand etc., ect., have nothing in common with Freedom. These things only lead to mentally ill lost souls who eventually lash out.

Lysander
Lysander

When MSM found out who the shooter was, they released his name, but not his photo. His name sounds White, so they listened to the speculation on the Internet while they sat at meetings waiting for the word to come down on how to handle this from their masters.

Not knowing for sure how their masters would want them to spin this, the execs of MSM played with photo shopping the boys image, some making him look White, some having a rebel flag on his clothes, while other images had him with LaRaza slogans.

Finally the word came to release the image as it really is. Since this was an unplanned incident, there was no effective way to manage it other then the usual emphasis on guns control.

Pity he wasn’t White, but no matter. The President will be instructed to make the remarks prepared for him, as the news anchors get their scripts. Everyone has gone through enough real and staged shooting to know how they are supposed to act: Saddened by the loss of life; Shocked at the senseless violence; Innocent sounding speculation on why guns are allowed; Sympathy for the victims families; Reminders of past shootings.

And then the news clips appear like magic. Angry parents-Outraged gun control activists-Tearful classmates blurting out inanities-British reporters speculating on why guns are legal in America-Profoundly determined politicians announcing that this is the final straw- and so on and so forth.

Everyone plays their role and the politicians and MSM are just loving it.

ragman
ragman

Gator: absolutely correct! Obongo, via the Attorney General, can stop importing guns, ammo and parts immediately. I like the Wolf Military Classic 124gn JHP ammo. I’d order a couple of cases ASAP. You should be able to find it for under 30c/rnd.

Olga
Olga

http://www.nrtoday.com/news/18445375-113/breaking-news-multiple-deaths-reported-from-shooting-rampage

Sometime after noon, students’ cell phones were confiscated, then students were marched out one building at a time, hands up, patted down and lined up to be evacuated on buses.

Interesting ……

ASIG
ASIG

WTF!!! did everyone miss what I would consider the most outrageous statement that Obama made in his rant. And I’m paraphrasing because I’m going by memory. He made a statement something to the effect that ——“Statistics are clear on this issue, in areas with the strongest gun control laws are the areas with the lowest murder rates, gun control works”—–Those are not his exact words but that is very much the point he made. Obama clearly thinks he can make up any bull shit statement he wants and he knows the MSM will parrot what he says. Repeat a lie often enough and it eventually becomes accepted as truth.

nkit
nkit

In sermonizing this tragedy (and other school shootings) yesterday President Bonobo stated; “We collectively are answerable to those families who lose their loved ones because of our inaction.”

Funny, but for two years of his presidency the Democrats controlled both houses and Obama made no effort to promote his gun control agenda. So perhaps it is His Royalness’s inaction that led to this tragedy. (Mind you, I am a fervent second amendment rights supporter, and I don’t feel we need more gun control legislation.) But, for the Moron-in-Chief to suggest that opponents of his gun control agenda somehow have blood on their hands is nothing short of despicable, deceitful and disgraceful demagoguery. And we still have fifteen more months of this hate-mongering coward to deal with.

cfk
cfk

Great post thank you I agree entirely we need to hear more of this. Over and over it is a lonely, isolated person (male) never been able to find a place, nor function well in our highly stressful society and the solution given is drug them. Obama is a mouth piece he won’t nor anyone n our government take on big pharma…..why doesn’t the gun industry take them on?
The Church of Scientology does. Check out an organization called CCHR.

Dutchman
Dutchman

As a programmer – we hate people with hyphenated names: Harper-Mercer

Now I know why he went nuts. Us programmers put a lot of hate on those folks. Oh the power of prayer.

Billy
Billy

I heard about this mess last night.. then the “Christian” angle popped up…

I thought: “Why isn’t our “media” releasing a photo and/or name of this guy if he’s been dead awhile? Usually, they have dude’s name, shoe size, favorite breakfast cereal, etc..”…

Then it hits me: Dude ain’t white.

After the “Christian” thing popped up, I get hit again: “Asshole was a Muzzie… or at least hated Christians…” Since Moose-limbs are more or less a “protected class” – and the Occupant of the White House is probably one as well – the Media whores are avoiding that shit like it’s radioactive…

He identifies as “mixed race”… uh huh. Then he self-identifies as “Republican/conservative”…

That shit right there don’t pass the smell test. Smells like a bag of skunk assholes got hit by a garbage truck, then eaten by a buzzard, then puked back up and left to rot in the sun for a few days…

There’s some funky shit going on… and then there’s the Occupant trying to gin up traction for gun control before all the facts are in and/or the bodies are even cold…

Fuckers…

SSS

Admin and I have been in 100% sync on psychotropic drugs for years. Only 10 dead in this latest incident? Small potatoes. Try something nearly 15 times worse that I wrote about here in July, 2015. It got a whopping 15 comments.

HE LIED, 150 DIED

phoolish
phoolish

I’m just glad there are no pictures of him w/ a confederate flag. Thank goodness that threat’s been neutralized.

AC
AC

I’m sure Obama will lead by example, and order his Secret Service bodyguards disarmed immediately, right? Followed by Diane Feinstein disarming *her* bodyguards and giving up her concealed carry permit? Followed by every other piece of leftist crap that wants gun control – but only for other people?

No?

ASIG
ASIG

What is it something like a half dozen armed guards at least that patrol the school that Obama’s daughters go to, but armed guards at anyone else’s school is a bad Idea? Why?

Rise Up

Excellent commentary, Admin. And I agree with a previous comment that the pro-gun lobby should counter any further gun restrictions with the facts about psycho-tropic drug use of the perps.

Being conspiracy-minded, it’s not a stretch anymore to consider some of these incidents as programmed killers. (Let the down-arrow votes fly, boys and girls, but this shooting, like many
previous, has some odd characteristics and actions by authorities.)

“The man accused of shooting dead 12 people during a screening of the latest Batman movie said he was programmed to commit the gun rampage by an ‘evil therapist,’ a former prison inmate has claimed.

James Holmes, 24, has been charged with carrying out the killings – and injuring at least 58 others – on July 20, when he allegedly opened fire at a cinema in Aurora, Colorado, that was showing The Dark Knight Rises.

Steven Unruh who claims to have been a fellow inmate at the detention centre where Holmes is being held said he told him that he was ‘programmed’ to carry out the massacre during psychotherapy he had been receiving.

Thirty eight-year-old Mr Unruh said he was in the booking area of the Arapahoe County Sheriff’s Office Detention Facility in Colorado when Holmes was first brought in.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2240237/Dark-Knight-gunman-James-Holmes-Therapist-programmed-commit-mass-murder-Aurora-cinema.html

Also, note this:

The Umpqua Community College is technically a “gun-free campus”. However, if you have a valid concealed carry permit, you may carry a gun there. There was much confusion on this in many of the news reports yesterday.

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Rise Up

[Picture didn’t post in my comment above–here’s the link to it:]

BREAKING: MASS SHOOTING AT UMPQUA COLLEGE in Oregon – 13 Dead – Gunfree Zone

AKAnon
AKAnon

Schools: Confined group of highly sympathetic victims. Virtually guaranteed lack of resistance or defense. Next time some dingleberry asks “why, oh why do they shoot up the schools?” There’s your answer. “Gun free zone” = shooting gallery.

Rise Up

In 12 Minute Speech to America About Mass Shooting, Obama Refers to Himself 28 Times

https://grabien.com/story.php?id=38185&from=allstories

Less than six hours after the mass shooting today in Roseburg, Ore., President Obama called a press conference to demand new gun laws, a move he predicted would spur critics to accuse him of politicizing the issue. If they don’t accuse him of that, they might accuse him of making the tragedy about himself.

During today’s 12-minute address, President Obama referred to himself 28 times. (For those counting at home, that’s almost three times per minute.)

Note that in arriving at this calculation, we included mentions of “we” when he was clearly including himself as part of the plural pronoun; the many uses of “we” in referring to America at large were not included.

nkit
nkit

So fifty black folks got shot in Chicago last weekend. What flag are we supposed to ban now?

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr

Another of Obama’s pagan yut sons is the victim of ruthless guns again. Did the yut mix legal and illegal drugs? Blacks don’t attend that college (all victims are White Christians)? Are there less insane people in Texas, Alabama, Tennessee, North Florida? My training was to scatter and return fire so why do civilian educators disarm Vets and train the victims to huddle together and obey maniacs? How many assault weapons did he have on him?

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El Bongo .for gun control , but sells guns to Mexican drug lords…as usual…blows smoke out of both sides of his ass..

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MacGhil
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