This Is Where Whites In America Are A Minority

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New research out by the Pew Research Center shows an interesting development in the United States. Using Census Bureau information released with 2014 population estimates, Pew found that the US is becoming ever more diverse, at the local level as well as nationally.

In 2014, 364 counties, independent cities and other county-level equivalents did not have non-Hispanic white majorities, the most in modern history, and more than twice the level in 1980.

The increase in the number of counties that did not have a non-Hispanic white majority was due in large part to the growth of the Hispanic population.

From Pew Research

That year – the first decennial enumeration in which the nation’s Hispanic population was comprehensively counted – non-Hispanic whites were majorities in all but 171 out of 3,141 counties (5.4%), according to our analysis. The 1990 census was the first to break out non-Hispanic whites as a separate category; that year, they made up the majority in all but 186 counties, or 5.9% of the total. (The Census Bureau considers Hispanic to be an ethnicity rather than a race; accordingly, Hispanics can be of any race.)

 

Since then, the nation’s Hispanic population has more than doubled, from 22.4 million to 55.4 million, powering the increase in majority-minority counties. Last year, 94 counties had Hispanic majorities – just over twice the number of majority-Hispanic counties in 1990 (45), and one more than the number of counties last year with non-Hispanic black majorities

Overall, non-Hispanic whites are less than a majority in four states, and in a further indication of just how diverse the US is becoming, in none of those states does a single racial or ethnic group have a majority.

All in all, non-Hispanic whites are less than a majority in four states – California, Texas, New Mexico and Hawaii – as well as the District of Columbia. In fact, in none of those places does a single racial or ethnic group have a majority: California has almost equal shares of Hispanics (38.6%) and non-Hispanic whites (38.5%); non-Hispanic whites are the plurality in Texas (43.5%); Hispanics in New Mexico (47.7%); blacks in D.C. (47.4%); and Asians in Hawaii (36.4%).

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This is an important development to pay attention to because as the US becomes more diverse, everything from the economy (consumer preferences, etc) to the political landscape can be significantly impacted… for instance, election advertising spend and wall-building jobs.

 

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starfcker
starfcker
June 29, 2016 6:29 am

Jim, in the new format, when you post charts in the articles, i get blank boxes on mobile. No graphics. Edit: just figured out if i touch the blue spot in the center of the blank box, the graphic pops up.

Zygon
Zygon
June 29, 2016 7:02 am

So non-white populations are growing – in many countries in the world? That’s a surprise.

Non-white is probably the normal color of a human being.

Progressively (ooo! – he said a dirty word) the rights of humans are following the American model: You remember, the one about all HUMANS being equal?

Why this obsession with remaining in the majority? Is it an important tool in suppression?

Let the debate on human worth be about character, not characteristic for a change.

starfcker
starfcker
  Zygon
June 29, 2016 7:13 am

Troll

Zygon
Zygon
  starfcker
June 29, 2016 7:56 am

Typical vague response to any post outside the “group rules”. What is a ‘Troll’, Starfcker?

Jr
Jr
  Zygon
June 29, 2016 8:28 am

I agree with you, color differences are irrelevant, and equality requires no politically imposed favoritism or discrimination based on these irrelevant color differences. So I presume you are opposed to all the racists currently claiming that too many white people in one place is irrefutable evidence of white supremacy and must be resolved with the white discrimination/minority favoritism of affirmative action and the diversity scam.

Doug Becker
Doug Becker
  Jr
June 29, 2016 9:04 am

None. No discrimination. Agreed. Power is not a discrimination though.

When power is no longer a legacy, then perhaps we’ll see freedom.

kokoda
kokoda
  Zygon
June 29, 2016 8:43 am

“Let the debate on human worth be about character, not characteristic for a change.”

All human share the same traits, both positive and negative. BUT, history highlights negative group character and that character is almost always influenced by the leaders. Which is why a small but vicious and armed group (negative character) can take over and ‘convince’ the vast majority (positive character) to emulate the negative character of the minority.

For the world, the current negative character is being employed by the small minority following Islam.

Doug Becker
Doug Becker
  kokoda
June 29, 2016 8:52 am

As is the ‘character’ of this thread.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 29, 2016 8:46 am

So how does the racial makeup of a country compare to the peace and prosperity of that country?

And what happens to that peace and prosperity as the racial makeup shifts?

Questions I’m sure Zygon has answers for, reality based ones not fantasy based ones, since both current and historical records are available.

Africa, Mexico, Central America, Europe, now even the United States are all giving testimony to this.

Doug Becker
Doug Becker
  Anonymous
June 29, 2016 9:02 am

Nope. Zygon doesn’t provide answers, especially to asinine questions.

Everywhere I move, the moon seems to follow me.

Does that mean I cause the moon to move?

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc is a fallacy.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
June 29, 2016 9:01 am

Zygon must have missed the Memphis/Memfrica throw down video the other day or never read the 30 blocks series. Perhaps he should look around at the black and mooslim ghettos and wonder why his head is up his ass. But then again he may be paid to be stoopid.

Zygon
Zygon
June 29, 2016 9:14 am

Did I miss the brainwashing? Darn.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Zygon
June 29, 2016 9:53 am

NO, but you may be the victim of it.

As you seem intent on demonstrating.

bb
bb
June 29, 2016 10:41 am

Zoddog ,that we are all equal Damn nonsense will get you killed. We may be equal biologically but we are not intellectually or culturally. Go to any of the big non white urban areas if you really want to see how other races live.If you want to feel the SEETHING hatred they have for not only whitey but each other.I always have two pistols in my commercial truck plus my unfolding AK 47.

mark
mark
June 29, 2016 11:27 am

Just biking at Grand Tarhee this weekend. A white topia. Can anyone name a black utopia anywhere? On the planet? Developed by black people not whites in actuality.

Doug Becker
Doug Becker
  mark
June 29, 2016 11:54 am

Other civilizations that existed for thousands of years preceeding white exposure?

Just saying…

starfcker
starfcker
June 29, 2016 12:14 pm

Digs Pecker, can you name one that invented the wheel?

Doug Becker
Doug Becker
  starfcker
June 29, 2016 2:05 pm

No. But I do know one that gave us corn. That’s your favorite, right?

You can get every kernel off clean?

Then you pull up your suspenders and belch?

All just as relevant.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Doug Becker
June 29, 2016 4:14 pm

God gave us corn, no one invented it.

Doug Becker
Doug Becker
  Anonymous
June 29, 2016 4:57 pm

Um… yeah. Cross-fertilization. Centuries of selective cropping. Incans/Mayans… no, God did not put corn on this earth.

I took you for an expert in agriculture, anonymous?

Zygon
Zygon
  Anonymous
June 29, 2016 9:45 pm

Thank you. Quotes from our cited text:

“Most historians believe corn was domesticated in the Tehuacan Valley of Mexico.”

“Corn is perhaps the most completely domesticated of all field crops. Its perpetuation for centuries has depended wholly on the care of man. It could not have existed as a wild plant in its present form.” White man has not been on the western hemisphere for ‘centuries’.

“For the Aztecs, Mayas, Incas and various Pueblo dwellers of the southwestern United States, corn growing took precedence over all other activities.”

A substantial portion of the economy we now know is therefore dependent on a technology perfected by people of color. Far more important than the wheel (which was likely ‘discovered’ in many places at different times).

starfcker
starfcker
  Doug Becker
June 29, 2016 6:03 pm

Didn’t ask anything about corn. I asked about the wheel. Still waiting, patiently

Doug Becker
Doug Becker
  starfcker
June 29, 2016 6:44 pm

I asked about the relevance. Still waiting.

starfcker
starfcker
  Doug Becker
June 30, 2016 5:23 am

Doug becker, i missed the fact you directly answered my question (no), before asking your question. My bad

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
June 29, 2016 2:03 pm

Wheels are racist.

Cannot Disclose
Cannot Disclose
June 29, 2016 3:03 pm

Buchanan recalls Bill Clinton’s address to the 1998 graduation class of Portland State University where he told them that their children and grandchildren would inhabit a country that “In little more than 50 years, there will be no majority race in the United States. No other nation in history has gone through demographic change of this magnitude in so short a time…”

As Buchanan rightly notes,

This episode is astonishing. Here was a president of the United States telling a largely white student body the day is coming when their own kind will cease to be the majority in a country where the majority rules. Most peoples would sit in stunned silence at such a revelation, or rise in rage at the prospect. The Portland State students cheered the news of the coming minority status to which they and their children have been consigned by their government.

Imagine a Mexican president or Japanese prime minister lecturing to Mexican or Japanese college students and telling them they should welcome their coming minority status in their own nation. Would they greet the news with such enthusiastic zeal?

“Ethnomasochism,” writes Buchanan, “the taking of pleasure in the dispossession of one’s own ethnic group, is a disease of the heart that never afflicted the America of Andrew Jackson, Theodore Roosevelt, or Dwight Eisenhower.”

The Census Bureau has now fixed at 2041 the year when whites become a minority in a country where the Founding Fathers had restricted citizenship to “free white persons” of “good moral character.”

__________________________
“Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?”
by Patrick J. Buchanan

Dutchman
Dutchman
  Cannot Disclose
June 29, 2016 4:16 pm

You know China is for Chinese, and Japan is for Japanese, but here in the US we’re supposed to welcome it – or we are racists.

What’s worst, many of these fucks are Turd Worlder’s – have no manners, don’t know how to use a toilet – no kidding – the Somalis (here in Minnesota – where they have imported 50,000 – yes 50,000) don’t know how to use a kitchen range or running water taps.

Every time I see a white girl with a nigglet it pisses me off.

See how long it is before we have mosques broadcasting prayers.

mark
mark
June 29, 2016 4:28 pm

What i said about Grand Targhee is profound

Akin to what Milton Freidman said about the making of a pencil.

Only this is about the invisable workings of voluntary people who prmaraily consist of the cultural and ethnic underpinnings of European ancestry.

anarchyst
anarchyst
June 29, 2016 5:51 pm

…the 1957 and 1964 “civil-rights” acts revoked our right to “freedom of association” (only for whites) and replaced it with government-backed, and forced “public accommodation”. Try selling your house only to someone of your own race. Try renting an apartment or house only to someone of your own race…you will be shut down, if there is even an inkling of “discrimination” against a “protected” minority…
This unconstitutional behavior by government has gotten worse, with moslems, homosexuals, and soon, pedophiles becoming a part of the “protected” classes…since “civil-rights” laws DO NOT APPLY to white males. Our esteemed “attorney general” Loretta Lynch and the head of the so-called Justice Department’s (actually “just us”) “civil-rights” division has stated as such…
Us white males have become third-class citizens in our own country. It would seem, that since whites are only 6% of the world’s population, we would be a part of the MOST protected class on the planet. Of course, that will never happen. Voluntary segregation is the only answer.
The solution to the “real estate” problem is for a large landowner to offer parcels of land in a “trust” arrangement. This keeps the government out of the decision of WHO may purchase and enjoy the land. This is but one way to keep “undesirables” out without running afoul of the misguided “fair housing” laws…
Us whites will have to come up with solutions on our own OUTSIDE of government control or intervention…

Zygon
Zygon
  anarchyst
June 29, 2016 7:46 pm

If everyone who is of another color were affluent and educated and productive would that change the value of your house?

If everyone who is different than you were to wield the same power, would that make a difference?

“White” is a color. It doesn’t affect a person’s capacity in either direction.

“Homosexual” is a sexual persuasion, it doesn’t prevent someone from being, say, a good doctor, does it?

“Pedophilia” is a crime. If it is actually committed. Unless we want some Governing Body rummaging through our hard-drives, it can’t really be controlled.

Even then, it still doesn’t have much to do with a person’s ability to wield some effective control of their lives, does it? Or be successful. Or good.

We seem to be speaking of American and White as some form of nationalism. Nationalism is the single biggest killer known to man. It has caused more destruction and suffering than even Religion.

Zygon
Zygon
  anarchyst
June 29, 2016 7:51 pm

It was convenient to take-away all the power and influence from people easily identified as “others”, wasn’t it?

It made it easier to send them into misery and blame their difference for it.

It was a self-fulfilling prophesy, one that could only be invented in Europe, the birthplace of rabid nationalism.

anarchyst
anarchyst
  Zygon
June 29, 2016 8:13 pm

I beg to differ. Here in the United States, blacks were making great strides in achieving equality on their own BEFORE passage of the so-called “civil-rights”acts. These well-meaning but misguided laws effectively destroyed “freedom of association”, but for whites only. These “civil-rights” laws actually separated us into “groups”–some with more “protections” than others–an unintended consequence. Originally starting out to assure “rights” for blacks, these laws now protect almost every form of perversion, but purposely exclude one “minority”–white males. Even the Attorney General has stated that only whites can be “racist”…
There is nothing wrong with nationalism, as long as every ethnic group that comes to the United States embraces fully the American culture. Problem is, today’s immigrants are only “here for the money” and bring their old-world prejudices and old country ways with them, expecting native-born Americans to accommodate them. Ain’t gonna happen…There is an old saying: “When in Rome, do as the Romans do”. It would behoove ALL people who emigrate to the U S A to follow that advice.

Zygon
Zygon
  anarchyst
June 29, 2016 9:48 pm

There is nothing wrong with nationalism, as long as it is American nationalism. Right?

You meant their nationalism, not their culture because the substance of their culture is imported from the various cultures that were brought into this country.

Jr
Jr
  Zygon
June 29, 2016 8:45 pm

Nah Zygon…all colors of people, all over the world share this practice, always have, except that they don’t all use color differences to “take away all power and influence from people identified as others,” which is and has always been a favorite in America and becoming a fav in other Western nations. For example in India they use red dots/no dots to distinguish between those “deserving” politically imposed favoritism and those “deserving” the corollary discrimination. In Rwanda, tribal identities were used to do the same, in Nazi Germany the differences used were religious, as they are in the Middle East between Sunnies and Shiites, Kurds and Saudi’s Wahhabis. The USSR and Communist China used and still use equally irrelevant differences in income to identify the feared and hated “others” as respectively, the bourgeoisie and the intellectuals, claimed to incessantly “oppress” all of the rest by, respectively, working for a living or reading a book.

Why don’t you consider the actual source of the problem, which is that politicians use tax funded, politically biased education systems (primitive and university) to indoctrinate their populations with the stereotypes of those possessing one irrelevant similarity as one size fits all universal threats to others possessing another irrelevant similarity, so that politicians can claim they are “protecting” the threatened by taxing all people in both categories, keeping most of the money and favoring a few lucky individuals of the favored group.

If this is what you are calling “nationalism” then it applies to all countries, as well as all tribes, who are just as keen to use numerical superiority, coupled to superior fire power to try and help themselves to other people’s opportunities and possessions as is the rest of the world’s population. So they all send most of their money and the power to control every aspect of their lives and economic efforts to leaders…just as the leaders, tribal and national, prefer, with their phony promises to redistribute both to the population, instead of into their own pockets.

It is this pretense that leaders are necessarily discriminating against _all_ of some for the benefit of _all_ others, that leads people to think there is something in it for themselves, rather than their wealthy, power engorged leaders stealing from all of them. The farce also creates hostility in every population aimed at each other, which, in turn prevents a global majority ever identifying their “real” enemies, uniting in outraged anger over politically profitable global injustice and burning down all their leader’s tax funded palaces of power.

Zygon
Zygon
  Jr
June 29, 2016 9:53 pm

JR, kudos. Your thoughts are well-structured, logical and seem to contribute to further discussion (rather than issuing an answer by decree.)

If this practice is undesirable, why perpetuate it? If it is wrong, then get rid of it.

Our fear is the potential for anarchy (another ‘dirty’ word even if it means absolute individual freedom.)

Jr
Jr
  Zygon
June 29, 2016 11:58 pm

As do your thoughts inspire discussion.

“Our fear is the potential for anarchy” Nothing to fear… absolute individual freedom requires the mutual recognition that freedom is universal liberty for all, requiring a relationship limited to cooperative interaction, with zero people redefining freedom as the “freedom” to aggressively exploit others, politically or criminally, for any reason, whatsoever.

But I was addressing your use of “nationalism” as insufficient in explaining why a majority of the world’s people, past and present, all the way back the beginning of history, hope to personally profit from political exploitation, using some superficial difference to stereotype each other as allies and enemies, which, as I wrote, obviously unbeknownst to this majority, instead enriches politicians, as well as empowering them to systemically and repeatedly pauperize their populations, not to mention causing enough hostility to periodically degenerate into war, genocide and pogroms. Whether that is done between nations, within the border encaged populations of a nation, or within tribal territories is actually irrelevant, as the cause is politically correct, politicized discrimination.

It is unusual to conflate the terms “discrimination” with “nationalism” so I questioned what you meant by the latter word.

Also, you wrote….

“For the Aztecs, Mayas, Incas and various Pueblo dwellers of the southwestern United States, corn growing took precedence over all other activities.”“A substantial portion of the economy we now know is therefore dependent on a technology perfected by people of color.”

This does not mean that all people of color can use corn growing to claim superiority to all pale people, when it is always _one_ person, at most a few, that discovers/invents everything, while the rest merely imitate to gain superior productive results. The computer was invented by one person, now all use it to enhance their economic and social efforts, which also makes zero colors of people superior to any others. And whether the invention is the wheel or corn growing, it is actually economic interaction, regardless of irrelevant physical differences, that spreads life enhancing invention from solitary inventors to the rest. For that same life enhancing reason future generations rejected the Aztec’s human sacrifices as either a social or economic benefit. Albeit, few have a problem with imitating the Aztec empire’s extraction of tribute from conquered people.

And then there was the quote I used originally…

” It was convenient to take-away all the power and influence from people easily identified as “others”, wasn’t it?
It made it easier to send them into misery and blame their difference for it.
It was a self-fulfilling prophesy, one that could only be invented in Europe, the birthplace of rabid nationalism.”

That reads as though relatively modern Europeans invented discrimination, when discrimination with some excuse or another, is the way of the world, throughout history.

I realize that you were addressing other people’s errors, but the actual problem is politicized discrimination, not who does or doesn’t use national borders to forbid politicized discrimination, because none do, especially now. Nor can one exalt some people as universally superior to others, for one reason, as refutation for exalting some people as universally superior to others for some other reason. The actual resolution to all politicized discrimination is that all people exist as individuals, with uniquely individual identities, each from birth to death, occupying their own individual space and time, occupied by no others. This reality conforming perspective of immutably individual existence and exclusively personal identity, refutes the “one size fits all” collective identities of racial, national and tribal identities, politically utilized globally, to polarize people who could have been friends, into deadly enemies.

Zygon
Zygon
  Jr
June 30, 2016 5:47 am

I have a hard time with the concept of anarchy.

Suppose one is demonstrating absolute personal liberties.

If another is inspired by such, doesn’t that make the first person a ‘leader’?

You can’t yell ‘anarchy’ in a crowd and be consistent?

One person’s liberties begin and end exactly where another’s liberties also begin and end. The only ‘rights’ that I can exercise freely are those that infringe on no other’s.

Jr
Jr
  Zygon
June 30, 2016 1:12 pm

To Zygon, since you asked…Anarchy 101, the (relatively) short version….

Absolute personal liberty for a solitary hermit is the exercise of any action, because none of the actions of a hermit cause adversity with the aggressive repression of freedom for anyone else. All aggressive action within a social relationship of two or more people, does the reverse, destroying absolute freedom, with one or more profiting from aggression and one or more suffering the corollary diminishment of possessions and opportunities.

Thus aggressive interaction is called “slavery” and “criminality” when practiced privately and mistaken for “freedom” when practiced within a government relationship, in which most are aggressively oppressed for the benefit of a few politically connected others, and their political enablers. There is no other way to gain power over all, except by profitably oppressing some for the benefit of others, while maintaining that power by escaping the usual retaliation against aggression, when recognized as such, with the deceit of “good intentions.”

Thus, discriminatory governmental oppression, favoring some, repressing others, always with the collective identity scam of some people categorized as a universal threat to others, in turn appearing to require the oppression of those stereotyped as the threat, including classes, races, tribes and nations as threats to others categorized with these labels, is never “absolute freedom,” indeed, not freedom at all, which by definition is universal, all inclusive freedom _from_ aggression, no exceptions.

It follows that the establishment and maintenance of all inclusive absolute freedom, limits the interactions within a government-free relationship to “cooperation.” There are no leaders, because nothing happens outside of interpersonal agreement between all those, but only those, affected by all actions, which is a few people, not the billions affected by politically enforced laws. It is only the aggressive opposite of cooperation that requires leaders to decide who will benefit and who will pay for same, which is not anarchy. Instead all people affected by any action, intended or taken by any individual, are either already in agreement, or will cooperatively compromise in their goals, so as to maintain the agreement based, universality of freedom for all. When actions are taken outside of these agreements, these are recognized as the aggressive destruction of freedom, which is then penalized in some way by “defensive” actions, in order to preserve this cooperative relationship.

That does not mean that anarchists rush out guns a’blazing when children steal apples, as “comprehension” of the difference between aggression and cooperation is also necessary to preserve the cooperative relationship; comprehension which is inhibited by the 100% potential of fallible human beings to make errors, as well as the ignorance of youth and mental incompetence. Thus, initial conversational reconciliation establishes error or intent, the latter regarded as intended or actual actions outside of these agreements, which will be the personally identified intent (an armed thief breaking into your house, does not have to kill your family and steal all your possessions to recognize aggressive intent) or actual physical attacks, theft and fraud, all requiring defensible action as the preservation of this cooperative society.

This relationship has never been established anywhere in history, including Somalia, where government free aggressive theft is often redefined as “anarchy.” Likely that is because the financial profits of anarchy are much smaller than those of aggressive oppression. No one acquires massive wealth with the legal freedom to steal, nor with regulatory destruction of competition, nor is anyone aggressively pauperized into penury. What is not recognized is that the result of absolute global freedom is “global peaceful prosperity” in which none are prohibited from reaching 100% of their economic potential with absolute freedom’s non-aggressive, exclusively cooperative and _mutually_ profitable exchanges of time, skills, property and innovative inventions, excluding from the resulting profits only politicians and thieves (a redundancy.) Such a relationship _is_ peace and 100% universal aggression-free productive work and trade cannot fail to result in prosperity.

So, hollering “anarchy” in a crowded theater operating in such a relationship would incite no reactive terror, while hollering “governmentalist” would shut down the movie and turn on the lights to find the thief, in order to explain to him that his plan primarily enriches and empowers politicians, who necessarily enforce aggressive redistribution of profits, so as to benefit from same, while the rest eat up all the remaining profits and then starve to death because reciprocal theft encourages no one to produce anything at all. This interaction is historically recorded as the “rise and fall of civilization,” as after the inevitable fall, people are free of the aggressive restraints needed to produce the wealth necessary to profitable exploitation, aggression which then multiplies into another fall.

But if you find a crowded theater of anarchists be sure and let me know, I know of only two or three; albeit there are a large number of people who hope to personally profit from the practice of enforced profit redistribution, by using the label of “anarchy” to pretend they are not “aggressive governmentalists.”

Finally, if one is having trouble comprehending the difference between the freedom of anarchy and the inevitable oppression of governments, it is always a failure to understand the every human being exists individually with a uniquely personal identity, existing in one place in space and time, separating one individual entity from all other entities. Thus human beings can cooperate as groups, but they cannot “exist” as groups with collective identities.

These individuals all act in an immutably existing reality, in which each individual human being chooses goals _mentally_ but must realize all of their goals by _physically_ acting in the _mentally unalterable_ physical circumstance of cause and effects, in which all effects, including those choices desired by human beings, are the exclusive result of a physical cause. That cause in all social relationships is the variations in human action as means in pursuit of goals, variations of means that will either succeed or fail.

Thus, establishing a desired effect is indisputably controlled by the human actions, referenced as means in pursuit of same. The means implemented as human action _in pursuit of a much desired, harmonious prosperity_, are necessarily limited to cooperation, including that of charity, or aggression, there are no other choices; cooperation as means resulting in successful goal achieving action, while aggression as means not only fails to establish same, but does the exact opposite, because all human actions operate as a physical cause of consequences exclusively determined by reality’s cause and effect physical circumstances. In turn this establishes anarchy’s absolute freedom from aggression as the sole means to the much desired goal of universal peaceful prosperity, while aggression, governmental or personal, results in opposite consequences. The same circumstances of accurate means resulting in desired ends, inaccurate means, the opposite, applies to all human goals, in both social relationships and interaction with the material world, such as futile attempts to extinguish a campfire with a can of gas, which also has a 100% failure rate, as well as causing opposite consequences.

I welcome your objectively derived evidence of error in the above as personally beneficial.

Full Retard
Full Retard
  Zygon
June 30, 2016 1:18 am

Zygote, you are being too polite. This is not the usual censored site, here a bit of gratuitous vulgarity and rank abuse is welcome. Most of these bungholes were beaten as kids and they feel insecure and unloved when you don’t slap them across the face a couple of times to get their attention. Try it, they’ll like it. If Stucky or Admin invite you to blow them that will be it, you will be a made man in TBP.

Let’s cut the shit and get bizzy, these fools are a-willing, a-waiting to listen to your pearls of wisdom.

Token Whitey
Token Whitey
June 29, 2016 6:13 pm

The thing that infuriates me is the fact that we are financing this steady decline in our standard of living and it’s costing us a fortune. The worse it gets the less freedom we have to say anything about it and the less options we have to address it. Every day you can see and feel it getting worse, especially if you live near 30 blocks of squalor. The whole process is gaining momentum, in accordance with King Nig’s plan. This can only end in a civil war. There’s no other possible outcome. Even if no further damage is done, that is still the only possible outcome. We are locked into that trajectory at this point and it’s only a matter of time.

Full Retard
Full Retard
June 30, 2016 12:45 am

This is a dishonest graphic. Consider the counties where Hispanics are a majority and it looks like we have taken over West Texas and San Bernardino County, Kern County and the Big Valley. If you look at a map, these are sparsely populated areas and the cities are pretty small.

This is just another alarmist concoction designed to scare crackers into thinking they are becoming a minority. Let’s do the math: if Hispanics are 15% of the population and Blacks are another 18%, take away the 5 and carry the 1, Crackers are still 67% of 330 million bungholes or 221 million shitstains, hardly eligible for extinction.

Spinolator
Spinolator
June 30, 2016 5:41 pm

Well in the world of political control and propaganda, the sky is always falling or about to. And if no one believes it, do something to make it seem like it is so they believe you.

Zygon
Zygon
July 1, 2016 8:49 am

@ JR.

Is your definition of ‘anarchy’ more of a definition of a ‘utopia’ in the clinical sense? As was discussed by Nozik in ‘Anacrhy, State and Utopia’?

Jr
Jr
  Zygon
July 1, 2016 2:45 pm

To Zygon,
I haven’t read his book, so I don’t know how he is differentiating the three terms.

My definition of anarchy relies upon the context of objectively derived means to desired ends. The desired ends claimed by all political forms, capitalism, democracy, communism and so forth, are wide spread peaceful prosperity. The objectively derived evidence supporting the accurate means to that end are centuries of the consequences of human interaction, in which aggression-free cooperation results in this desired end, and aggression in the exact opposite, both 100% of the time.

If someone (a governmentalist, always) wants to use aggressive theft as means to self enrichment, but escape the usual reactive hostile retaliation, so as to maintain this self enriching circumstance throughout his life, he will require deceit in both desired ends and means to same. The deceit disguising his desire to steal is the promise that his desired ends are actually widespread peaceful prosperity.

The rest of the deceit is the pretense that there are two realities. The material world, alone, is said to be a reality comprised of objectively existing cause and effects, in which human action serves as a physically implemented cause in pursuit of desired effects, while the observation of intended or unintended consequences of means, serves as representation of, respectively, accuracy or error in means. The “other” entirely non-existent reality is that of the social realm where these same circumstances do not apply as consequence-validated means to ends in successful pursuit of desired social relationships.

Thus is the only evidence, that of consequences, proving accurate/inaccurate choice of means to peaceful prosperity replaced by the idea that _any_ means will serve successfully. That magical disappearance of evidence, in turn, validates “good intentions” as the only requisite in pursuit of social goals.

Hidden by this dual reality nonsense is the fact that the circumstances of cause and effects are immutable, in _all_ of reality, meaning that reality has no mind which which to obey any authority in any human endeavor, but will heartlessly deliver, without exception, the physical results, success or failure, of whatever means are applied in pursuit of _all_ desired ends, material and social. This remains true, whether a desired end is extinguishing a campfire using gas as means, or politicized aggression as means to the desired end of peaceful prosperity.

It is with this belief in a dual reality, that governmentalists create the perfect setup for theft as perpetual self enrichment…people who create the profits politicians want, by successfully dealing with the material world through the selection of accurate means to material ends. But these same people, are rendered utterly ignorant that these same circumstances also apply to in the social realm, creating a population that relies for political success in realizing peaceful prosperity, exclusively upon whatever political authority claim as means.

This invalidation of consequences in political actions, in turn, frees the governmentalist to implement aggressively enforced confiscation and redistribution of any part of, or all, profits to himself, with the promise to “redistribute” these profits (trillions now) as means to utopian paradise for all. Always a troublesome responsibility in that he must control the actions, property and profits of entire nations, for which he pays himself, and his politically connected cronies, as much as desired out of the resulting loot.

Meanwhile the consequences of this error in means, that of visibly increasing social hostility and economic disintegration, although the exact opposite of desired ends, serve only to “prove” that politicians have not yet stolen enough, nor repressed enough and/or the right people, to produce the expected paradise.

This scam is never recognized, as proven by this perpetual error rising and repeating from its inevitable consequences of cyclical national bankruptcy and/or civil war. Albeit the results are before every eye; human potential routinely realized as magnificent innovative scientific and medical progress, while the same success is utterly stifled in the social realm.

If that is also Nozik’s argument, which I would describe as “the utopian state vs. reality,” then I’ll buy it to read. Is it?

Jr
Jr
  Jr
July 1, 2016 2:54 pm

PS to Zygon…
I have strayed from the article’s topic and to get back to it, I’ll add that when slavery resulted in a civil war, the cause was not ever considered “governmentally enforced oppression,” but that the oppression needed to be applied as segregation. When that resulted in the violence of the sixties, again that was not considered the results of oppression, but that the targets for oppression were the wrong color. I trust that my previous posts prove that the actual targets for oppression in every governmental system, are “all of us.”

Zygon
Zygon
July 2, 2016 6:39 am

JR,

It seems to me that there are a lot of assumptions in your analysis, assumptions that would either require clarity or proof:

– Do all political forms indeed have the same ends? (Universal peaceful prosperity)
– Are there two realities (material and an “other”.)
– Is one of the two ‘desirable’ without introducing the errors of normative judgment, if so, what is the normative basis?
– What constitutes a ‘proof’ of anything?
– Can we identify the ‘governmentalists’ as distinct from the ‘citizens’? Can we identify the ‘governmentalists’ as a body comprised of unique, distinct persons? Can we touch a ‘governmentalist’?
– What is an historical ‘error’? Was it committed by a willing entity? Can we come to an agreement that it was willed or was in fact an ‘error’?
– Is there a bifurcation here, between an ‘us’ and a ‘them’ without the error of such bifurcation (a false alternative?)

You analysis seems very interesting but also seems to rest of many assumptions and items that are vaguely defined (at least to this reader.)

In sum, I feel after reading it that we have identified the problem more than arrived anywhere nearer to a solution. Much of the focus is (what I perceive as) an undue amount of time trying to group together a blameworthy agent in a complex web of loosely-tied interactions and processes.

Utopian philosophies and libertarian philosophies alike seem to fall into what I feel is this trap: It all seems obvious (the conspiracies) until you try to successfully identify the agents and/or the mechanisms.

Your aims, however, seem noble.

Zygon
Zygon
July 3, 2016 6:26 am

To JR. (My apologies, I have to respond to your additions to the discussion without the benefit of having your comments appear here – they only came to me via email for some reason.)

Our difference stems from a different standard of ‘proof’ the one to the other. Your expectation of proof (as I understand it) is rooted in cause and effect, or expectation versus error.

This is rooted in the kind of utilitarianism familiar to the founding fathers, and as expounded in English philosophy of their time. This is rooted prior in the Socratic traditions which expressed that a ‘thing’ had both an ideal ‘form’ (of which there are no material examples) and thus had a function. The measure of a thing was its ability to perform whatever function it has, well.

The ‘thing’ that is man is a creature expressed by its happiness, the ‘greater good’ being the ideal virtue of men. It remains only to determine whether the rules be of the ‘act’ variety or the ‘rule’ variety, but I am being pedantic to our discussion.

It seems obvious to both you and I that there does not exist the type of ‘happiness’ that one would expect so many centuries of thought to have brought about. There still seems to be a relative inequality about the earth, in fact I would dare say everywhere.

Small bright lights appear. However, I feel that these small bright lights appear not via the route of individualism (the rights of each individual superceding the rights of the collective(s) in a rule-like fashion) which seems to favor isolationism except for rare cases where it is permitted.

C.A.E. Electronics is endeavoring into the medical simulation business, after years of dominating the flight-simulation business. They have done so via a government-funded program whereby they (a multi-million dollar corporation) received tax dollars to the tune of $70MM (as opposed the $100MM they were offered.)

Faced with such competitively superior giants, who alone have access to cash with these kinds of conditions attacked, how can an individual or private company compete? Is there a benefit to mankind (again in a rule-like manner) of allowing the multiple disciplines and talents available only to a giant like C.A.E.

I claim not to fully understand your positions, because while I can see the ‘sense’ of examining reality in an expectations versus results manner, I still am unsure whether this reveals the truth.

Much about my experience of the world has revealed to me that things are not always as they seem. The first impression of things is rarely the accurate perception, but also seemingly one notices that introspection and undue over-reflection on any issue leads one into what I consider Plato’s only fallacy: that there is an ‘ideal’ reality that we must massage into existence.

I hope I’ve remained true to our exchange.

Doug.

Jr
Jr
July 4, 2016 1:17 am

To Zygon,

Doug, you wrote, “It seems to me that there are a lot of assumptions in your analysis, assumptions that would either require clarity or proof:”

Excellent questions followed, compelling me to closely examine the differences, as you point out, between assumptions and facts. I have endeavored to refute each question, with that in mind and have already found errors I made. However without agreement upon exactly what is acceptable as evidence, differentiating fact from unvalidated assumptions, we cannot resolve anything. So I’ll wait for your response to the following before posting my response to the other questions, as well as your last post, (Socrates, Plato) not yet written. Btw, I can see everything I’ve posted on Burning, so no problem.

– What constitutes a ‘proof’ of anything?

This is a phenomenal question, with which I struggled; writing, realizing error, and rewriting, several times, hence the delay in response. The question encompasses what exists and what does not, with “proof,” as facts/knowledge, resting upon a method of validating existence, while that which does not exist, but mistaken as existing, represents “error.”

But the ramifications are immense, as without proof of what exists and what does not, no one could survive a moment. Just one example among millions, of driving a car in traffic, as well as avoiding all other potential wreck causing objects; buildings, trees, cliff sides, road hazards, etc., all of which depend upon knowing what exists and what does not. Awesome question, really, by which I became aware of just how much relies upon knowing what exists, a subject usually reserved for philosophers.

I have finished the answer to the question about proof, but it is approx. three more pages; quite long. “Proof” encompasses quite a bit, apparently. So I’ll stop here and ask would you rather continue in email. If so, my address is jrrrr(blank)@ (blank)comcast.(blank)net. Leave out the parenthesis and the word blank. Otherwise, respond here and I’ll do the same, and presume it is on topic. After all, everybody needs proof, backing up their comments.

Judy