Gun Control: Hawglegs and Hawgwash

 

On the range. Interesting photo: The flash of a cheap camera caught the slide back, and what appears to be a smoke disk.

Since Hillary has presumably gone to a home for used basilisks, we will  perhaps hear less about gun control for a bit. As in, maybe, eight years.

The unending drive to outlaw firearms remains  fascinating in various ways, first in that  it represents a desire for conclusive abandonment of constitutional government. This is far along in other spheres–jury trial, speedy trial, jury of peers, declaration of war, warrantless search. Recently we have had a clear intention by a major party simply to ignore such constitutional provisions as it finds inconvenient.

Of course many of their voters couldn’t name two rights guaranteed by the First Amendment–surreys show that white college graduates cannot–and a substantial portion can’t read. Constitutional government requires an informed public. America doesn’t have one.

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The orators profess to believe that banning guns will end murder. The actual effects of gun control are very different. This is a matter of observation, and thus has no place in political discussion. Just for the hell of it–it will make no difference–let’s actually look at the question.

The two most heavily armed countries in the world are (still, I think) Israel and Switzerland. In Switzerland, men of military age are (still, I think) required to keep an assault rifle and ammunition in their homes, and Israelis are similarly armed because, having enemies on their borders, they need to be able to mobilize rapidly.

In both countries murders by armed citizens are essentially nonexistent. By contrast, Mexico has strict gun control. Does anyone get shot in Mexico?

Yes, actually. Some 164,000 thousand shot dead between 2007 and 2014 (Figures vary. The foregoing are typical.) Pretty effective, gun control is.

Why do murders occur so exuberantly in a country with gun control? Because making guns illegal doesn’t make guns go away. In Mexico gun control means that criminals can have, and assuredly do have, high-powered military weapons, usually AKs–cuernos de chiva. Thus a dozen narcos can enter a large town and terrorize it. If a hundred men in the town had AR-15s, the dozen narcos would enter the town in pickups and forthwith leave in boxes. Gun control leaves the town disarmed and helpless.

Which has occurred to Mexicans:

Mexico considers new gun laws to arm its citizens against violent crime”

In a country in which the government cannot or will not enforce the laws and protect citizens–the United States comes to mind–said citizens will want to protect themselves. This is happening in Mexico. In a recent example  in Mexico City (this from newspaper accounts) four robbers, armed, boarded a public bus and collected wallets and cell phones from the passengers. One passenger drew a pistol and shot all four, killing one. The other three, badly wounded, got off the bus. The passenger followed, finished them off, gave the loot back to the other passengers, and disappeared into the city. Curiously, not one of the passengers was able to describe him. Maybe they were not paying attention.

Perhaps not optimal, but in a country plagued by looting, arson, racial attacks, and destructive brawls by vandals, people are going to want to protect themselves. Surprise, surprise.

If guns were made illegal in the US, not a single villain would turn his gun in. The bumper sticker, “When guns are criminal, only criminals will have guns,” is exactly right.Guns, usually small and easily smuggled, are immensely valuable to criminals. Why would they turn them in? Criminals do not obey laws. It’s how you know  they are criminals.

Curiously, the fewer guns in the hands of the law-abiding, the more valuable they are to criminals. When citizens may be armed, crawling in a window at night becomes much less attractive. And of course gun control would mean disarming white people, who tend to obey laws. Having witnessed Baltimore, Ferguson, and Charlotte, many whites are not enthusiastic about being left helpless.

One must never say this.

Gun-controllers, unless they are greater fools than seems humanly possible–they may well be–know  that criminals are not going to turn their guns in, and there is no way to confiscate them. They also know, unless actually mad, that criminals are overwhelmingly black. Do the controllers propose to send the army through black regions of Chicago, searching houses room by room to find hidden guns? Hardly.

When of a hundred murders in Chicago, almost all are committed by an  underclass, do we have a gun problem, or an underclass problem? Do blacks have a white problem, a gun problem, or a themselves problem?

Obama of course blamed guns for the shooting deaths in Chicago. Can he really believe this? It is like the obese blaming spoons.

It is verboten to notice that crime with guns is heavily concentrated in particular groups. I grew up in rural Virginia where all the boys and Becky had guns, chiefly shotguns for hunting deer and rifles for killing varmints. Nobody shot anybody, either deliberately or otherwise. Murder wasn’t in the culture. We couldn’t understand why our guns should be taken away because criminals in the cities wanted to kill each other.

I once spent a week with the US Army in the slums of Port au Prince in Haiti, where guns were illegal. Nobody was shot. Instead brains were laid open and arms severed by machete. It was in the culture.

But of course gun control is only tangentially about gun control. The controllers detest gun owners viscerally as they imagine them, aging white Southern yahoos or Western cowboys with potbellies and third-grade educations who are probably werewolves, Republicans or even conservatives. Deplorables. Note that they never criticize the killers, the Islamoterrorists, the blacks in the cities massacring each other with abandon, or the Hispanic narcos engaged in auto-extermination. The controllers simply dislike white conservatives or, more profoundly, those who are emotionally independent and not of the mentality of the hive. Guns are innocent bystanders.

If a woman tells me that she favors gun control, I can with confidence predict that she favors unchecked immigration, sanctuary cities, affirmative action, banning the Confederate flag, suppressing Christianity, homosexual marriage, abortion, feminism, and the dumbing down–she will call it something else–of schools to avoid wounding the self-esteem of the usual suspects.

The question of guns demarcates a sharp dividing line between who read the New York Times and those for whom it is the house organ of a class of people they detest. This is the Trumpo-Hillarian Chasm. New York, which controls the country with Washington as its action arm, is not particularly cognizant of what goes on in the rest of the US. The imposition of  political correctness prevents New York from hearing anything it doesn’t like, but also prevents it from knowing the extent to which people believe things New York doesn’t want to hear. Thus their surprise at the rise of Trump, which anyone could have suspected after an hour in Joe’s Bar in Chicago.

Here we reach the great divide. I read gun dealers saying that, after the murders in Orlando, post murdered cop after murdered cop, burning mall after looted store, AR-15s were “flying off the shelves.” Why? The gun is not accurate enough for serious marksmen, illegal I think in most places for hunting, and not well suited for killing intruders in the home, being long enough to be awkward in a confined space.

An AR is however well suited for defense of one’s home or business against rampaging mobs. It is long enough to be accurate at urban ranges, suited to rapid single-shot firing, has a large magazine, and fires military .223 ammo. You don’t suppose…?

A great many people, including me, think that “civil unrest” may be in America’s future as the economy declines, the middle class sinks, and racial hostility deepens. As the pie shrinks, someone has to get less pie. If welfare is cut, whether directly or by inflation, riots will come. Riots will occur in any event, since they already do. Blacks are dangerously angry, and are ready to rock and roll. Think Ferguson, Baltimore, LA, Milwaukee. It may not happen. But it may, looks increasingly probable, and people who would lose their jobs for saying so are preparing.

Thus the desire to get an AR or two and a thousand rounds before the government–which much of the country regards as an enemy--can shut down sales and leave them helpless, a la Mexico. In private conversation the question is explicitly racial–though one must never, ever, point out the obvious. These are people who–choose you verb, “know” or “believe”–that a Ferguson mob can come to their neighborhood and–here no choice of verbs is needed–that the recent President, Attorney General, the government, the blacks, New York, the RNC and DNC, and the media, are against them.

In Washington and New York, the Virulently Good who live in high-rises with security desks will react with horror at the thought of buying a rifle for self-defense. “How could the….?” “Why would anyone…?” “What is wrong with these…?” Their outlook rests on the belief that nothing really bad can happen. Which means that if it does, they will be toast. And that, in a morbid way, will be amusing.

 

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overthecliff
overthecliff

Fred has reconnected with the guy we used to know.His last few efforts have been pretty weak but this one is outstanding.

BB

Trying to stop murder by banning guns is like banning nuclear weapons to stop war.I think if you removed nuclear weapons ww3 would start within a week.Nuclear weapons are probably saving us from self destruction.

Another point is these people( elites) know white people are the only group that will stand up to their bullshit.Whites elected
Trump into office as a last way to avoid another civil war in this country.

Anonymous
Anonymous

And the Democrats are trying to undo that, leaving a civil war as the only remaining option.

MN Steel
MN Steel

Yeah, good thing that hag from NYC wasn’t elected, because on a good day people from NYC are anti-gun, and on any other day is virulently anti-gun.

Yeah, good thing the guy elected was from… oh, wait…

Stucky

Fred says absolutely nothing new here. We’ve heard the same agruments hundreds of times here. In other words, it was a GREAT article.

For the past hour I’ve been playing Native American music, flute instrumentals. So, if a picture is worth a thousand words;

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And I would be remiss if I didn’t include my own peeps.

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Anonymous
Anonymous

“…..before the government–which much of the country regards as an enemy….”

I don’t regard the government as an enemy, I regard it as a weapon in the hands of an enemy.

Suzanna

“Obama of course blamed guns for the shooting deaths in Chicago. Can he really believe this? It is like the obese blaming spoons.”

I love this remark.

Bill in IL
Bill in IL

A few misconceptions in your otherwise fine article:

1) The AR IS accurate, even in .223, to 500 meters
2) It is legal for hunting in most States (.223) for deer. For the other calibers below, there is no question about their hunting capabilities.
3) It comes in a variety of calibers, from .223 (5.56 mm), 6.5 Creedmore, 7mm Rem Mag, .300 Black Out, .308 Win; all the way to the top of the line NEMO in .300 and .338 Win Mag. I guarantee you the .300 and .338 Win Mag will dissuade anyone from committing nefarious acts.

Home

James
James

Bill,lets not forget the .458 in your choices,and hell,even .50 uppers made for the platform.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Anything less than a 50 Beowulf is a girl gun.

MN Steel
MN Steel

I dislike plastic firearms.

I own one, but wouldn’t trust one for a full-blown buttstroke.

You know, ‘cuz ammo is precious and snowflakes fall apart easily.

Homer
Homer

I believe it was the great Richard Russell of the Dow Theory that said–“I fear a government that has guns and a populace that have none.”

If history is any indication, it’s a valid fear!

Ouirphuqd
Ouirphuqd

Firearms are the insurance policy of last choice in a chaotic society. I have several ARs and believe they are excellent for hunting deer and other critters. I have shotguns, scoped bolt action rifles that are extremely accurate outward to 400 yards. Firearms are peaceful sitting in the gun safes I have, it is reassuring to know that they are there. I have several pistols, as I am a concealed carrier. I hope I never have to use any of my firearms in a self defense situation, better to have and not need than to need and not have. Molon Labe!

James
James

You see Ouirphuqd,that tis the problem!You have a large group of guns together in a safe that have not killed anyone,they are obviously plotting ect. and while you sleep these are some of the guns that will go out and kill people.

Ouirphuqd
Ouirphuqd

I have discussed this with the ARs in particular, they reassure me that their intent is honorable, I heard mumblings deeper in the safe, sounded something like “black guns matter”. I may have misheard, but they have been very maligned in the past!

A. R. Wasem
A. R. Wasem

We must live, and die if necessary, by these words: “A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

MN Steel
MN Steel

Funny how nobody ever mentions the Dick Act of 1902, and how all able-bodied males aged 18 to 45 are in the unorganized militia of these united States, unless they are in the organized militia or the regular armed forces.

Or how most States have expanded the ages, in Michigan’s case from 16 to 60. Don’t know what it is in Communisota, should check on it. There’s gotta be a law on it, this rat-hole has laws on everything…

Vic
Vic

I had never heard of the Dick Act of 1902. Thanks for that.
Here’s a summary for anyone interested.
http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/us_constitution/gun_control/news.php?q=1237163642

mike in Ct

Can you guys comment on the request by Levi’s CEO Chip B. Not to bring guns into his stores///Feel Free to Chime in on Pepsico’s CEO’s stance on anti-gun matters as well…thanks. mike in ct

Stucky

Easy Peasy.

Does a baker have the right to NOT sell cakes to homos for their wedding? Of course, he does.

A store owner has every right, imho, to sell or not sell to whomever the fuck he so chooses. And we have the right to not patronize that establishment if it offends us.

nkit
nkit

“Does a baker have the right to NOT sell cakes to homos for their wedding? Of course, he does.” ~ Stucky

Oh yeah? Tell that to Aaron and Melissa Klein , owners of Sweet Cakes By Melissa, in Oregon. It cost them everything to not make a cake for a lezy wedding. I don’t recall them waiving their right either.

Stucky

I’m sure Aaron and Melissa Klein have their own opinions.

But, you asked for MY / OUR opinions … which I gave to you.

nkit
nkit

Well, Stucky, despite the bolding, I didn’t ask anything, you did. I agree that they should have the right to not serve a customer if they so choose to, as I imagine that most of us do, but unfortunately, that right was stripped away from them by our oppressive Federal Government, and it is a cold hard fascist fact that they no longer have to right to decide who to provide their services, or who not to. The government took the right to make that decision away from them.

Stucky

Yeah, I asked … and then answered my own question. It was rhetorical.

You’re confusing the shit out of me. At any rate, it does appear we’re in agreement.

WHERE’S LLPOH? I got all this fuckin’ popcorn ….

nkit
nkit

I heard he got a new pet Roo…

James
James

Mike ,agree with stucky.A question for you is how is that new weapon registration thingy working out in Ct.,initial numbers showed that didn’t seem there were too many takers on that one!Sad,the home of Colt(for now) with it’s beautiful building and a plate that says the constitution state seems you have a lot of in country enemies,keep up the good fight.

mike in Ct

We had to submit: Reams of paperwork, stand in lines..total clusterfuck to get us nowhere near safer, gun control my A$$..We need criminal control..too simple, just lock them up..Screw this catch & release shit…Oh & I’m trying my best to leave here..It sucks..Constitution state, had a nice ring to it..Mike

Hagar
Hagar

Went to our local firearm store today to purchase a Savage 64F 22 Semi Automatic, a Christmas gift for my better half. The dealer told me up front that ever since Trump’s election the background checks are being delayed 5 to 7 days. Sure enough, mine was delayed 7 days. He also said that those who have a carry permit do not submit to a background check and the Feds have no knowledge of your purchase. Guess I’ll get the permit. Easy peasy in Georgia, just 125 bucks and a sign off by the Probate Judge and Sheriff.

tampa red
tampa red

Are you talking the Federal Instant Check is taking 7 days or a state of Georgia check?

Hagar
Hagar

Federal Instant Check. The response is that ‘approval’ is on hold. Georgia doesn’t have a check that I am aware of.

MN Steel
MN Steel

Last I knew after 3 days you walk out with your new shooter. It’s the “anti-gubmint foot-drag” clause, but maybe they changed it after that Schumer-flick shooting that upset Hollyweird so much.

yoda
yoda

Uh, unless i have been fooled by the last gun dealer i patronized, permit holders in Georgia (Gwinnett county) do have to submit to a background check. USED to be they didn’t but it changed. And my permit was about $25
Please someone, tell me I’m wrong!!! 🙂

Hagar
Hagar

I had a CCP in North Carolina (5 years ago) and did not submit to a state or federal background check for gun purchases. Now I live in Union County, a very rural and sane county…no local or state checks here.
http://smartgunlaws.org/background-checks-in-georgia/

Federal law requires federally licensed firearms dealers (but not private sellers) to initiate a background check on the purchaser prior to sale of a firearm. Federal law provides states with the option of serving as a state “point of contact” and conducting their own background checks using state, as well as federal, records and databases, or having the checks performed by the FBI using only the federal National Instant Criminal Background Check System (“NICS”) database. (Note that state files are not always included in the federal database.)

Until 2005, Georgia was a “point of contact” for the NICS, and firearms dealers had to conduct the background check required by federal law through the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. In 2005, Georgia repealed that part of the law, and now all firearm transfers by licensed dealers are processed through the FBI.1 Nevertheless, Georgia law provides that all transfers or purchases of firearms conducted by an importer, manufacturer or dealer licensed pursuant to federal or Georgia law are subject to NICS.2 Georgia law also requires the Georgia Crime Information Center to provide to NICS all necessary criminal history information and wanted person records, and information concerning persons who have been involuntarily hospitalized, in order to complete a NICS check.3 State administrative regulations also now recognize that federal law requires federal firearms licensees to contact NICS before transferring a firearm.4

Federal law does not require dealers to conduct a background check if a firearm purchaser presents a state permit to purchase or possess firearms that meets certain conditions.5 As a result, concealed weapons permit holders in Georgia are exempt from the federal background check requirement.6 (Note, however, that people who have become prohibited from possessing firearms may continue to hold state permits to purchase or permit firearms – and pass background checks – if the state fails to remove these permits in a timely fashion.)

James
James

Permits/background checks/gun classes/?!Ok you folks seem to have the constitution/ bill of rights decoder ring,can I borrow to see the true wording of the 2nd,as it does not mention any of this,I am obviously missing something!

On a side note,will your decoder ring that you loan me allow me to find and decipher the social contract many seem to think I am bound to,hell,guess I was drunk because do not even remember signing the damn thing,thanks for your anticipated help here1

tampa red
tampa red

Since we be talking gun control here,a question about Mark Kelly,the husband of former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords.
The shooting of Congresswoman Giffords was of course both a tragedy & a terribly evil act.However,it should not keep people or journalists from asking questions but that seems to have happened here.
Is there any organization in America more competitive than the astronaut program?
Mark Kelly is an astronaut.Mark Kelly’s twin brother is an astronaut? What are the chances of brothers being selected for arguably the most competitive & elite organization in our nation?
Inquiring minds want to know?

AKAnon
AKAnon

In AK, a CCW permit gets you a pass on NICS check (you basically “pre-approve” your NICS w/ your CCW app). Of course, a CCW permit is not required to carry here, either open or concealed. The only reasons to get one are reciprocity in other states, expedited purchases, and, I suppose, some higher level of credibility if you actually get into a defensive shooting situation.

“Participating in a gun buy-back program because you think criminals have too many guns is like having yourself castrated because you think your neighbors have too many kids.” (Dubiously attributed to Clint Eastwood)

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