Stucky QOTD: Flag Burning and Donald

Trump tweeted something a few days ago that is still bothering me today.  (Sorry if this has already been discussed since then.)

He tweeted; –“Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag – if they do, there must be consequences – perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!

REALLY???

The question is not about your opinion about flag burning. But, feel free to include a sentence, or two.  Me? I don’t like flag burners, but, in America, this is one the freedoms we have …. to show disagreement with the government.

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Q1:  IF Trump were to get his wish, wouldn’t this be the beginning of the end of the Constitutional Right to dissent?

Q2: Is it legitimate to start wondering if the Trump Way is the way to tyranny?

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Author: Stucky

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nkit
nkit

Personally, I don’t appreciate flag burners, but the Supreme Court ruled back in 1989 that it is free speech protected by the First Amendment. Leftists that are criticizing Trump over the issue would do well to remember that Hillary Clinton co-sponsored a bill to criminalize flag burning in 2005. This just seems like Trump being Trump. Nothing more.

SSS

Q1: IF Trump were to get his wish, wouldn’t this be the beginning of the end of the Constitutional Right to dissent?

The Supreme Court settled the issue of flag burning years ago. It’s protected speech.

Q2: Is it legitimate to start wondering if the Trump Way is the way to tyranny?

Trump says stupid shit all the time. This is example #582. Ignore it.

SSS

Looks like nkit and I said exactly the same thing, only differently. Heh.

Gayle

I interpreted that comment as wishful thinking on his part, not a promise to try to change the parameters of free speech.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever

We should be more worried about comrades (?) burning down whole areas of the country.

http://www.revelation12.ca/?p=11

rhs jr
rhs jr

Porno, nude dancing and burning the Yankee Flag is free speech but Prayer in a Southern school is forbidden speech? The SCOTUS is over loaded with Cultural Communist and needs to be rebooted.

Gay Veteran
Gay Veteran

there will be prayers in school as long as there are algebra tests

James
James

I though do not like it and any message protestors trying to convey lost on me when they burn the flag,the flag that represents the freedoms to protest,and,well……burn the flag would still not make it illegal,hell,would feel a desire to burn it in protest of said decision,the only time I would even consider that act.I disagree with making it outlawed as another of many slippery slopes we are going down in this country.

With folks who believe in what the flag stands for we can take care of it just fine,and,if a flag falls in battle we have plenty of reserves.

I do agree with the protest of folks who hang flag upside down as a country wide SOS,they though,treat it with respect.

nkit
nkit

Stucky, I think and hope I am correct, that those close to him, such as Bannon and Priebus would convince him that taking legal action against a flag burner here and there is not the wisest decision. He has so many more important issues to address. Again, I think Trump is just appealing to his Bible-loving, gun-toting, America-loving electorate while building up his MAGA meme. Patriotism..it’s what’s for dinner.

razzle
razzle

It is precisely the pettiness and trivialness that makes me confident this is nothing more than a psy-bomb tossed at Hillary supporters.

The entire Trump campaign has been running (and winning) on these sort of tactics.

tampa red
tampa red

Q1: IF Trump were to get his wish, wouldn’t this be the beginning of the end of the Constitutional Right to dissent?

Not likely that Trump is serious but the end of the right to dissent has already started,along with the erosion of most of our other rights.
How many of you believe that we are as free today as 5,10,20 years ago?

starfcker
starfcker

Tampa, exactly my point. How many of these bullshit supreme court decisions from my lifetime have made us freer?

tampa red
tampa red

Not many Star. Didn’t I see something within the last few days where they authorized (upheld)the right of law enforcement to intercept communications from thousands of computers w/o separate warrants?
It was a child porn case so that makes it alright.Kinda how the seriousness of drunk driving makes it ok to approve roadblocks even though it has been proven that they are not very effective for reducing drunk driving.

Zarathustra

My question is who owns the flag? If it’s public property then burning it is an act of vandalism. If someone else owns it is an act of theft. If it belongs to you then burn the fucker if you wish.

As for the flag itself, fuck it. It’s just a piece of cloth.

SSS

“Any ‘right’ the supreme court has found in my lifetime is pretty suspect in my book”
—-starfckr

How about the Miranda decision in 1966 by the liberal Warren Court that morphed into a REQUIRED police warning, when confronting and arresting a suspect, “You have the right to remain silent”? That ruling ensured that everyone’s 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination is protected. Pretty good ruling in my book.

@ Stucky – you appear to grant too much power to the president. Yes, Trump can erase any executive order by the stroke of his pen. But the president cannot take the country on a path to overturn Supreme Court decisions. That’s done by one, and only one, way. ESTABLISHED CASE LAW that winds its way through the court system (state and federal) and finds itself accepted by members of the court. And how do the Supremes decide whether or not to accept a case? Only if there is a consensus that there is a constitutional issue at hand.

Trump will have some pretty smart lawyers on his White House staff. I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump hears this every now and then, “Mr. President, you can’t do that.”

starfcker
starfcker

You sure that’s the one you want to stand on?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernesto_Miranda

Yancey Ward
Yancey Ward

Razzle above is completely correct- the primary audience for that tweet was the press and other progressive, butt-sore losers in the election. In fact, I suspect 95% of the people who even read his tweets are his political enemies. I don’t follow him on Twitter, and I suspect 99.999% of the people who voted for him don’t either- if they read a tweet of Trump’s it is second hand from some progressive writer/speaker who fancies himself an intellectual.

I don’t know that he was aware of Clinton’s sponsorship of the anti-flag burning bill, but he knew that the tweet would incite his enemies to burn flags everywhere, especially during the “Thank You Tour” that, “coincidentally” started the next day. This was a world class case of trolling, and it succeeded.

Yancey Ward
Yancey Ward

Seriously, he probably should have tweeted that it should be illegal to stick bowling pins up one’s own ass.

Smoke Jensen
Smoke Jensen

Trump will lighten up on the flag burning when he realizes that many of them are made in China.

This Headline from the Huffpo rag states “94 Percent Of American Flags Imported Into The U.S. Last Year Came From China”. And that was 2013.
“Ninety-four percent or $3.6 million worth of the flags imported into the U.S. last year came from China, according to data from the U.S. Census Bureau. American manufacturers still make up the bulk of the business — they produced more than $300 million worth of American flags, banners and similar items in 2007, the latest year for which data is available. Still, foreign-made flags present “a serious threat,” to the industry Chris Binner, the vice president of marketing and sales for flagmaker Valley Forge, told The Huffington Post”.

Every 4th of July, our association puts out the little flags in everyones yard. Every year I check the little booger only to find a “made in China” tag on it. I throw it away.

Miles Long
Miles Long

Q1… Opinions are like assholes. We all have one. Trump has his own… opinion.

Q2… See Q1 & you can wonder whatever you wish. If you can really see into the future how about sharing the winning lottery numbers for the week otherwise it seems we will see what happens when it happens. It’s still a big club, & we ain’t in it.

Jenny R.
Jenny R.

Burning the flag is protected under free speech…but it is perhaps not a civil or wise thing to do, for eventually those who do not care for such behavior will not care over much about “freedom” as long as it gets those who do so to stop doing it.
This is how human nature works.
At which point being jailed would be the least worst option for said flag burner, and the least worst thing that could happen to society (unless of course one loves anarchy, which will always lead to a tyrant/fascism).

Trump says dumb things, but sometimes I wonder if he uses dumb utterances smartly — because he seems to understand how human nature works (I’m not certain if this is a bad or a good thing, maybe both).

Me? I think “liberty and freedom” are things only truly found in the grave, along with “peace” (and maybe not even there)…anyway, those left the building they might have been in long ago: societies that can’t govern themselves with even a modicum of civic/personal responsibility tend to become totalitarian at some point; it’s the natural course of thing.
Machiavelli was a disillusioned idealist.

Ignatius J Reilly
Ignatius J Reilly

Might as well update the flag burning policy for the soft tyranny that was once a republic. It’s simple, want to burn a flag? Apply and pay for a permit. No permit? Then it’s “bailiff wack his pee-pee” or some other stupid and painful punishment.

IndenturedServant

Meh.

SSS

You sure that’s the one you want to stand on?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernesto_Miranda
—-starfcker @ SSS

Damn sure. Ernesto Miranda was a criminal dirtbag, but so what? The personal liberties and legal protections provided by the Constitution belong to all citizens, even dirtbags.

starfcker
starfcker

That decision is just a loophole for scum to walk. Hard enough to catch a criminal. They don’t need more loopholes. The country did fine for 190 yearswithout some ‘right’ liberal supreme court justices invented out of whole cloth. Show me miranda in the constitution. Didn’t think so.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Donald J Tyrant’s to do list:

Appoint Neo-Cons, former Generals, Vampire Squid insiders to new Cabinet
Appoint ‘Bridge to Nowhere’ Palin to VA
Suppress dissent, make flag burning illegal with full TBP approval, especially Starfuck’s
Float balloon to gauge popular support for government power to strip people of their natural born right to citizenship for disagreeing with D Tyrant – Starfuck on board
Float balloon to gauge popular support for tyrannical actions on the basis of national security, Starfuck on board
Brow beat corporations to join government fascisti efforts to manage the economy – Stronger Together
Keep tweeting unconstitutional proposals to morans until they buckle and accept all Tyrant opinions as truth

starfcker
starfcker

I didn’t say strip them of citizenship. I said dump them in the ocean.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

He didn’t restrict his tweet to green card holders, he threatened all Americans. And you thought simply deploring them for disagreeing was bad. This dude wants to deport ALL dissenters.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Caedite eos! Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius

Alter Boyz
Alter Boyz

“Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.” Uh huh.

Plainer the Better. The mutants can’t even speak English.

Loose translation:

“Kill them all; let God sort them out.”

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Well, they had gays taking pics of themselves in front of a rainbow colored White House.

Maybe this time we will see a cross burning ceremony with cabinet members in full KKK regalia in front of the white house and crackers taking selfies in front of the whole scene.

Don B.
Don B.

Any of you ex-military types will know that the only proper way to dispose of an American flag is to burn it in the proper ceremony. Many local governments will perform this ceremony on a yearly basis so that we may honorably retire our old flags. Burning a flag doesn’t necessarily mean someone hates this country.

BB

Hey Coyote ,why do you bash Trump?Are you worried about being deported yourself? I won’t let him deport you ,just the
other 25 million illegals.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

The beautiful blonde told me that if I don’t vote, I have no right to complain. Actually, I do. I reserve the right to complain about anybody who has the power to send me or my family to war or to prison or even deport me as was done in the 30’s to natural born citizen beaners. I’m not comfortable around anybody with a gun.

My old boss, Earnie said of his boss, I don’t like him, he has too much power over my paycheck.

The Italian Stallion said that he sided with the underdog. https://youtu.be/e7cry-4pyy8

Ralph
Ralph

Those of you who base your position on “the Supreme Court has decided it” are short-sighted (to say the least). Dozens of decisions since the 1950’s have overturned *previous* Supreme Court decisions. Burning an American flag to show your hatred and contempt for America is not “free speech”, and the Supreme Court didn’t say it is. Rather, it is said to be “symbolic” speech. But there is no protection for “symbolic” speech in the Constitution, only “speech”. Trump is spot-on: If you want to publicly burn the Ameican flag to show your hatred and contempt for America, you can get your ass out of the country. The U.S. Constitution is a constitution, not a suicide pact (and yes, the Supreme Court said that too).

starfcker
starfcker

Well said, Ralph

Chubby Bubbles
Chubby Bubbles

Writing is symbolic.

All speech is symbolic.

iconoclast421
iconoclast421

Trump can express an opinion, but getting such an opinion to become law is another story.

Ralph
Ralph

Oh please. Those of you saying “Trump says stupid things” or “Trump doesn’t know what he’s doing” are little more than clueless virtue-signalers. He just won the Presidential election while opposed by nearly every political, social, economic, and media power-structure in Western Civilization, including much of the Republican Party itself. Do tell us how “he doesn’t know what he’s doing” and how “we’re making excuses for him”. If he accomplishes 1/100th of his platform, he will have created a civilizational tectonic shift that just may save America, if not the entire West.

Your petty sniping notwithstanding.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Not only is trump trolling Clinton he is baiting protesters into burning flags at his rallies. There is no better way to piss off middle America and drive them into the arms of your opposition than to burn a flag.

FuckyStucky
FuckyStucky

Fuck you and your stupid infantile “QOTD’s”

Southern Sage
Southern Sage

Stucky,
The answers to your questions: No and No.

First, Trump was merely expressing his disgust with these flag burners, a disgust felt by most decent Americans. He did not say he intended to either jail them or strip them of their citizenship. He said he would like to. I would like to flog most Democrats to ribbons to beat some sense into their heads. Not much chance of that happening.

Second, no, this is not the road to tyranny. Most countries have severe penalties for desecrating sacred national symbols and they are hardly tyrannies. The problem is that in the United States we have become so used to seeing people do outrageous and vile things that we imagine that these things are in some way “protected speech”. The pathetic intellectual level of the Supreme Court is amply demonstrated by their obviously absurd finding that flag burning is OK. These flag burning have a thousand ways to express their views without destroying the very symbol of our nation.

Ralph
Ralph

Trump “DOES say stupid shit — only a hardcore looneytunes Trump-eteer will deny that. Soooo, we do know what camp you are in.”

Now *that’s* a substantive argument Stucky! I am undone, defeated even! 🙂

Hardnox

I, like millions of others of Americans, are disgusted with burning the Stars & Stripes. It’s an eff-you to all who love this country. A Constitutional Amendment would stop this stupid shit. It’s a long shot…. but.

Try burning the fag flag, or the flag of mexico and see what happens. Personally I am insulted beyond description by those that continue to defame our symbols and our culture and hide behind the First amendment. Those that do so are effing cowards.

I propose that we join the other 180 or so countries on the planet that have made it illegal to burn the symbol of their nation.

It’s not exactly a free speech thing if one is wiping their ass with our flag.

I think Trump was testing the water and the mood of the citizens while at the same time punking Hillary and the left.

Diogenes
Diogenes

Who gives a rat’s ass if some braindead communist burns the flag. I wouldn’t burn the flag, but it is just a fucking symbol. And considering all the war mongering the US has done, the symbol doesn’t mean much to me.

Slayer of Sacred Cows
Slayer of Sacred Cows

The flag is the official symbol of the government, the very agency that takes away your freedom. It was commissioned by the government and the stars and stripes represent political jurisdictions, aka tax farms. The flag very literally represents your enslavement. Americans will never be free until they’re willing to burn the symbol of their oppressors.

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