The Economics of Fraternity

Guest Post by Hardscrabble Farmer

Several weeks ago right before the weather changed for good I got a call from my friend asking if I’d help him with a dock. He property manages a few of the big lake homes for people who come up in the Summer and he’d just picked up a new client who wanted him to get on the job immediately. I showed up early after chores and a couple of other guys were there with a mini excavator to handle the extraction from the rocky shores of the lake.

The wind was blowing in hard from the northeast, bank after bank of low gray clouds rolling across the surface of the water and hardly a break of blue sky worth mentioning. The water was choppy and already turning cold and we set to work removing the canopies from the elaborate Shore Master shells above the berths. There were three slips, and four long decks that projected from the main dock. They’d been built in place and the new owner wanted to pull the entire set up and install something new in the Spring, something that could be left in place with bubblers to break the surface tension and abatis set to the front to break the big ice floes that would mound up in the thaw come April.

When we work together there are a few conversations at the outset, how to approach the demo, staging and storage of the pulled section, who does what. This usually lasts about as long as a factory coffee break but once we’ve settled on a plan we set to work and keep at it until we’re done. My friend needed help getting into his wet suit because it had either shrunk since last Autumn or he had packed on a few more pounds in the places where scuba gear won’t go and we laughed most of the time until he was suited up and ready to get in.

Using impact tools and ratchets, chain and steel cable, two or three box floats to support the section, a dozen plastic pails for the hardware we had disassembled and a stocking yard up the shore under the big pines where each section was placed for storage we set to work. There was a big orange cooler we’d filled with warm water to use for our hands when they got numb and a case of water the owner had dropped of for refreshment, but that was it and so we worked, grunting, lifting, reaching, carrying as if this were the only thing that the four of us ever did under a sky that raced across the horizon as if it had somewhere to be.

The word friend is a poor word to define something specific. You can ascertain only two absolutes from it’s use; not family and not a threat. It must be one of the oldest words in every language because it has always been important to distinguish between those who would do you harm and those who would not, especially in a world where cooperation was the key to survival. Since then we’ve come up with the modifiers that help us narrow things down- best friend, oldest friend, family friend, etc.

Younger people refer to BFF, something that usually isn’t, but we do it to remind ourselves of the important role that these people play in our lives. When a phone call comes in at 3 am from a parent, child or sibling we rarely turn back over and go to sleep. Instead our systems kick into high gear and we put rest aside and do whatever we need to at that very moment for whoever has called us in distress or need. People outside of our genetic line rarely get the same degree of response unless they have proven themselves over time, and we to them until they have come to be an adopted member of our extended family in a friendship that ranks much higher on our scale of relationships.

There is a great scene in a movie called The Town, a heist flick directed by Ben Affleck that was otherwise inconsequential. In it the main character, played by Affleck comes to his closest friend, played by Jeremy Renner and says, “You can’t ask me any questions and I’m not going to tell you anything about it but I have to hurt some people and I need your help, are you in?” Renner turns his head to the side and replies, “Are we taking your car or mine?” That was about as close to the truth about a genuine friendships I have ever seen because it hits on the central issue that serves as its foundation, trust.

We finished taking the dock out before dark. When you looked back across the sloping lawn to the water, the mountain rising from the far shore and the back end of the front breaking long enough to let the sun throw brilliant rays of gold across the surface of the water, it made you wonder if it had ever been there. The owner came down in his pressed slacks and windbreaker, face ruddy and a red solo cup that gave off the faint scent of bourbon and beamed at the stacked dock sections, the aluminum frames and folded canvases.

My friend went up to talk with him while I brought the totes and carry-all bags with out tools and fitting back up to the cobblestone driveway. The other guys, two brothers we’ve worked with a dozen times or more on similar jobs loaded their excavator on the trailer and asked if I’d like to join them at their quarry for beers but I still had another job I had put aside waiting for me at the farm that wasn’t going to do itself and we said our good-byes.

My friend finally came back up to the truck and I helped him load up his floats and compressor we fist-bumped our chapped red hands and drove our separate ways. There was no money exchanged, although I am sure he was paid well for the job and it turned out he signed not one, but two new clients based on that days work, so it benefited him financially. It means, of course, that come ice-out in late April we will be installing whatever state of the art dock system the client has in mind in a reversal of our job that day, something that takes at least three times as long to install as it does to remove. Somewhere in the back of my mind I file that piece of information away as I drive back up along the lake shore with the last of the fallen leaves spinning in cyclones behind me as I go.

One of my neighbors has been a supporter of our farm since we started. His wife buys eggs from us every week, chickens, pork and beef every month, syrup for gifts at Christmas. Once, several years ago she wrote to a magazine called Mother Earth News that was looking for candidates for an award called Homesteader of the Year. They submitted our family in a lovely letter that described what we had done with no background in farming and what a pleasure it was to live nearby and be able to visit us whenever they liked.

The magazine told us about the latter and sent a photographer up to visit. Later they did an interview by phone and several months later- days in fact after we had suffered our biggest loss when the barn burned down in the middle of Winter- we got the call that we had won the award and would be featured in the magazine, our farm on the cover. The first person I called to share the news was my neighbor, not only to thank them, but to share the award in a way because I somehow knew it meant as much to them as it did to us.

We were their farm, too, in a way and they were ecstatic. Since then we have become closer and every Fall he will stop by and ask if he can rent my woodsplitter and I always lend it to him and refuse any money because I have it, he’s always responsible with it, and more than that, he’s my friend. Invariably he will stop by to return it and without asking he will spend a couple of afternoons splitting wood for the sugarhouse whether I am able to help or not. Usually,unless I am deeply preoccupied in other chores I will break off and start blocking wood from the never depleted piles of logs we keep on hand while he splits and tosses the fresh cleaved quarters of oak, maple, ash and birch onto an ever growing pile in the barnyard.

The work is too loud for conversation,except when we break to fill the gas up or sharpen the chain and then it is always little things like the weather, the bear that almost knocked me over last week in the fog, the best way to slow cook beef shanks. I enjoy his company and he enjoys mine and after a bit he gets to a point where he’s done all he can do with his replacement knees and seventy year old hands and he wipes his nose in a blue handkerchief and we say our farewells until next time. I have offered him money but he has that Yankee way of not saying anything that is the same as ‘no’ and this year I didn’t even make the offer. It goes both ways, this friendship.

Over the Summer the hot water storage tank in the basement failed. The leak, slow at first, became a constant trickle into the floor drain and eventually the water appeared at several points along the base of the 1,000 gallon cylindrical vessel. Our entire home is powered by the Sun- heat, hot water, electricity. The roof is covered with photovoltaic panels on the lower edge and two complete banks of solar thermal panels across the top, the house facing due south. The front of the house is all glass allowing for passive solar gain all day long that is trapped by the R-58 insulation.

On a sunny day in the middle of Winter you have to open the doors to allow some cool air in so it doesn’t become oppressive. In the Summer the glass doors roll open and because we sit on the top of a hill, the highest point between two mountains there is a constant breeze that allows the air to circulate and cool the home no matter how much sunlight pours in. The solar thermal system is fairly simple. It is a drain back system that forces water from the storage tank in the basement up to the copper panels on the roof. As the black painted copper panels absorb the heat from the Sun they transfer it to the water that runs through the 3.4 inch pipes soldered to each sheet and then it returns to the holding tank where it remains at a constant temperature of 185 degrees.

There is a copper coil inside the tank that transfers the temperature gain to the domestic hot water supply which provides all the hot water for bathing, washing, and cooking while the main tank is fitted with pumps that circulate the hot water through a series of pex lines run through the floor on each level in several zones that radiate the heat throughout the house during cold weather. In warmer weather the pumps shut down and the domestic water is stored in an insulated tank that holds more than enough for our consumption without using electric to power the rest of the system.

On the coldest, shortest days of the year when there has been cloud cover for several days and the solar gain from the thermal panels is no longer adequate to provide enough hot water to both heat the house and provide hot water for our domestic needs, there is a super efficient back up propane water heater that fills the gap. In this way we use neither fuel oil or gas, supplier provided electricity or firewood. One day I’d love to build a fireplace for the pure aesthetics but as it stands our home is self sufficient in terms of generated energy and it saves us a great deal of expense that we would otherwise have to come up with if we had continued to live the way we once did.

The failure of the key component of the solar thermal system was something I put off for months. I did not install the original system and the company that did no longer works on residential systems. There are few installers in our area and those who do solar work will not maintain systems they do not install. It had become increasingly clear that this was another discipline and skill set I would have to learn and while I knew I was capable of it, it seemed daunting. The tank itself is a simple construction; a single sheet of aluminum 1/8″ thick, six foot in diameter, six foot in height riveted together along a single seam. It was lined with three layers of foil faced rigid foam insulation and had a floor three inches thick of the same material.

This was lined with a liner made of EPDM, a synthetic rubber sheet commonly used for commercial and industrial roofing. The membrane had failed, due to the acidity of the water- something no one had ever warned me of, nor seemed to think of when it was originally designed. That and the constant high temperatures as well as several returns and outflows that had been made through the membrane and tank liner had led to the eventual breakdown of the material.

To repair it I had to drain the tank completely, shut down the solar thermal pump system and switch over to the propane back up, cut the feeds and the returns, suspend the worm (the copper coil that heated the domestic hot water, four foot high and weighing at least 100 pounds empty), remove the blocks that supported it, remove the old insulation, dehumidify the chamber, relined the walls and floor and then fit the new liner and reconnect the entire system and bring it online again. I had promised my wife I would do it for months and as Winter began to set in and the first snows covered the farm and the ground froze solid it became impossible to ignore and so I finally set myself to work in the basement with only a clue of how it would go and the determination to make it happen.

My friend, the one I helped remove the dock with a month earlier showed up about fifteen minutes after I started. He brought a bag of tools into the basement and climbed up onto the rolling scaffold I’d assembled and looked over the edge of the tank at me, filthy with decomposed rubber and saturated, rotting foam insulation and asked if I needed a hand. It took the better part of two days to complete the tank rebuild and during that time we discovered a couple of things about why the old system had gone bad. There were the perforations through the walls of the tank, the return roof feeds came in at floor level for some reason we could not ascertain and the flanges that had been designed to hold the pipes in place were corroded and had cut into the EPDM allowing holes to develop.

The same held true for the supply and return lines for the domestic hot water. There was no fill port built into the system, but rather you had to drag a hose over from a faucet on the base of the pressure tank on the other side of the basement whenever the level fell low. There was no external view gauge to actually see when you needed water and it was up to your memory to remind yourself to go down into the basement, remove the lid bands and check it visually every so often, something that’s much harder to do than you might imagine, especially when everything is working fine and there are a thousand other jobs waiting to be done. By the time we got to the point where we were ready to make the new connections we’d decided that there was no reason to put any type of penetration through the vessel itself, but to drop the supply and returns through the top leaving the liner completely intact.

To this we added a new supply that could be turned on and off directly above the tank without hoses and where you could watch the level, a view port that lifted up without having to remove the entire cap and an additional layer of insulation to keep the water hotter longer. I also researched the durability of the liner material and decided to drop the temperature control point ten degrees to extend the life of the liner. By the time we were done we had not only rebuilt the tank, but improved the system to make it function better than it had before and with greater ease in maintenance going forward.

We sat in the kitchen and talked about the weather coming in, frigid arctic air and a mass of warm moist air sitting right off the coast that would almost surely make for a decent mid-December Nor’easter by Monday. We drank beers together for an hour or so and my wife made us a pizza that we ate with sore hands, the filth embedded so deep you couldn’t wash it out with just soap and hot water. After a while we both got quiet and he finally grabbed his coat from the hook and we said our good-byes, fist-bumping because it would have hurt to shake. As he went down the driveway he flashed his lights like always did and we stood in the big glass window and waved, like we always do.

When economist do their thing and come up with all their theories about how things works, how people and nations and businesses all intertwine and become whatever it is that they call an economic system, they leave out huge parts of it that add up to something powerful and inestimable. There is a shadow economy that takes place in ways that dwarf black markets in illicit goods, that cannot be calculated on supercomputers regardless of the software and processing power they possess.

There is, as in all other things in life, a magnificent and awesome cycle, a reality that is based not on dollars and cents or decimals and ledgers, but on unwritten and undeclared drives that we all experience and share. There is labor and material, production and consumption, installations and failures, building an collapse and all of it repeating itself over and over, again and again, one generation after another. And all of this is tied to nothing more than the natural response to our inner most drive to be what we were meant to be- not consumers as our own government calls us- but friends and neighbors, brothers and sisters, fathers and sons, mothers and daughters and all the myriad connections between us that propel us to do and have things done for hour by hour, day after day for as long as we live.

I wonder what the value of this cooperative exchange that takes place wherever people give of themselves must add up to. It is far more than all the paychecks generated each week because it endures longer than any job description. It pays back more than any investment because it builds capital not just interest. It has more worth than the combined accounts of every market and corporation, every tranche and future, all the commodities and inventories on Earth because it cannot be bought or sold.

The laws of supply and demand have no affect on it, it cannot be seized or taxed, there are no regulatory agencies,no compliance officers and no enforcement bureaus that could do anything to limit or restrict it because it is given freely. There should be some kind of discipline or study that tries to make sense of it, this economics of fraternity, but that would be impossible because it defies that kind of understanding. That it is is all that is required and that we all participate as we are able is all that is needed for it to exist for as long as we survive.

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sjh
sjh
December 11, 2016 10:56 am

That was lovely and profound 🙂

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
  sjh
December 11, 2016 5:40 pm

And sorority works the same way.
My eldest (female) is now old enough to earn her own money to support herself. She lives in our basement because it saves her money over renting, she costs little to support (thirty years old now) and generally leads a decent, quiet life. She has a goal to move to join someone in Canada, and is saving up to make it happen. From time to time, she “forgets her wallet”, “is waiting for the next paycheck”, “just paid insurance” and so on, so Mom (my wife) buys whatever for her.
Mom keeps deadly accurate books; every penny comes back as promised. She would buy her medicine for free, I think, but anything else is accounted for. Sorority may be fine, but the books must balance! And some of the “deals” are fairly intricate, like how much “rent” is when Eldest buys a tank of gas, a few groceries and Christmas gifts for outsiders in a given month!
I can’t spare the time and attention for all this: Eldest wanted Google Fiber for game-playing-online purposes, so I made her put it in her name!

RiNS
RiNS
December 11, 2016 11:46 am

Wow

Hardscrabble I must say in all sincerity that that was most profound thing I have read that you have written. It may not mean much to you coming from me but I just had to say it.

When I look around at my own rural community the thing that has been lost is the cohesion brought about by cooperation. The prosperity we claim to enjoy just an illusion that can be taken on a whim or these days a click of a mouse. Everyone instead chasing money rather than helping each other. My wife works for an organization that partners with 3rd world NGO’s. Work involves many workshops on how to build sustainable local economies. Your outlook on life is inspiring. I really men that. I might get her to read this and maybe share at work.

racistwhiteguy
racistwhiteguy
December 11, 2016 11:49 am

That looks a lot like Al Green.

javelin
javelin
  racistwhiteguy
December 11, 2016 1:05 pm

That is Al Green–from “Let’s Stay Together”–although I enjoy Withers also. “Ain’t No Sunshine” is pure gold.

Suzanna
Suzanna
December 11, 2016 12:11 pm

HSF,

Thank you for the story of how things work in the countryside.

There is something about farm and country people that holds an
understanding of the endless work required to maintain sustainability.
City people may face a stare of confusion from their neighbor if they need
help and the response will be, “you’ll need to hire somebody.”
As you have said, there are no ceremonies given for help given or received.
People help each other because they want to, maybe need to, and it all
goes on schedule and people work until the job is done. The “payments’
for this cooperation are measured in mutual trust and respect. That
concept brings a harmony to life, and it benefits all parties.

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
December 11, 2016 12:20 pm

Wow.

I’m not 100% sure but I think you just set every economic theory known to man back to square one.

It has been snowing heavily here for a couple of days now and there is easily a foot sitting on my door step at this stage. Yesterday my daughter, being the enterprising young woman she is, grabbed a shovel and went door to door through our neighbourhood. Before she went out she discussed things with her mother and I. How much should she charge? At that stage there was only a few inches on the ground so a driveway could be cleared in about 10 minutes or so. We settled on five bucks each given the work load.

Mother was concerned about asking people for money that we knew and I said to let her go and see how she does.

About two hours later she returned and she had made twenty dollars. I asked how many driveways she’d cleared to which she responded “seven”. She had cleared our neighbour across the street for free because they were on vacation and she thought it would be nice if they came home to a clear driveway. Then she cleared our neighbours directly to the left of us for free because we always watch each others place while we’re away and she thought it would be nice to just help out. Then she cleaned someone else’s who didn’t have any cash just because. She’s going out again today to clean her grandparents and some of their neighbours who are in their late seventies and eighties. She’ll make out like a bandit there because the people in that neighbourhood just love to see the young people and to have them come by for any reason really. For them paying more than what the job is worth is part of the joy of watching the kids getting it done.

Also – the kids have made me put your syrup into this bottle. Not sure why???

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Will need to buy more before spring if you have supply. Can you send it this time with a “Made in Canada” sticker on the box? I am afraid of what might happen to me in my sleep if they see it coming from the US again…..

BB
BB
December 11, 2016 12:44 pm

HSF ,any chance you could work on a 2016 Volvo commercial truck ?I would love some free labor.Those guys that work on them usually charge about 150 an hour and that’s after you buy them dinner.

Davido
Davido
December 11, 2016 2:00 pm

Thank you Hardscrabble Farmer. I’ve long enjoyed your posts. This article in particular! You have a sublime way about your writing. This post was surprisingly comforting. I found it to be a wonderfully pleasant and inviting story of the American character that is the heart and soul of the country we love.

Unquotable
Unquotable
December 11, 2016 2:03 pm

This reminds me of the Ann Barnhardt axiom of: “We are the gold”.

A very excellent and thought-provoking piece, HF. It has been said: “We read to know we’re not alone” and for whatever reason, I smiled as I pondered the following depiction from your essay:

“under a sky that raced across the horizon as if it had somewhere to be.”

SaamiJim
SaamiJim
December 11, 2016 2:25 pm

HSF,
Thank you.

Gloriously Deplorable Paul
Gloriously Deplorable Paul
December 11, 2016 4:04 pm

Every time I see a post by HSF I have to judge when I can read it unhurried and with time for reflection. Each one is a treasure to be opened carefully and fully enjoyed. It always has the feeling I got from sitting around campfires listening to my dad, uncle and grandfather talking about life. So much wisdom to gain if the time is invested to pay attention.
Thanks, HSF

MMinLamesa
MMinLamesa
December 11, 2016 6:27 pm

That was an excellent story.

justareader
justareader
December 11, 2016 8:09 pm

As a corollary, I can’t help but feel that the “gig” economy (Airbnb, Uber, et al) is monetizing “services” that in the past one would get/do as a favor for a friend or neighbor. I fear that as the gig economy grows, the fraternity/sorority economy will suffer.

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
  justareader
December 12, 2016 4:21 pm

It almost cannot be the same economic impact, since Uber is built on doing for strangers (at least initially) for money what other commercial services (taxis) do. Fraternity / sorority is built on trust, along with friendship / connection / community, which strangers cannot depend on / require / assume.
Once you get to know your Uber driver, you can become friends with him / her and get a phone number for direct contact; then you can trade them homegrown tomatoes for a ride, and Uber drops away as unnecessary. THAT would be more fraternity / sorority than Uber can offer, and far more fun / flexible / potentially remunerative.
Down south my mother (now in her 90s) was in her forties when she saw an old man carrying a bag of groceries on the street. She had seen him before, offered him a ride, and the subsequent friendship lasted until both the old man and his wife died, extended to three members (Mom, Sis and me) of our family, and made life easier for the old man and his wife before they passed. The old lady had been a bookkeeper for several “established” families in town, both had lived in that small southern town most of their lives, and they both could tell stories that put us in stitches from laughing! But we were all ignorant southern hicks, none of us had been to Harvard, MIT or the D.C. power centers, or had indulged in spirit cooking, performance art or the opera.
And we were so rich, we never even counted our blessings at the time….

Gryffyn
Gryffyn
December 11, 2016 11:59 pm

HSF,
What a great piece of writing and storytelling. Life lessons. When I read one of your essays I recall events from my own life in the country. Some of the best memories are of sharing hard work with friends. Most of them have since moved away or passed on. My wife and I bought a marginal 70 acre hill farm in 1970. There were a few level acres, a recently logged hillside, a three room Jenny Linn shack set on posts which stood precariously on large stones, a root cellar, chicken coop, barn and outhouse. The people who sold the place took the kitchen sink and dug up the few perennial flowers before they left. No running water so losing the sink was no big deal. A local fellow sold us an old coal stove for ten bucks and gave us a little flock of hens and a rooster in the spring. He told us you need to have chickens if you are going to live in the country. The stove kept us from freezing to death that first winter when the house shook on its posts as the winds roared in from the west and we curled up under a pile of blankets.
There was a lot of idealism and thoughts of community and self-sufficiency among the back to the landers of the ’70s. Land was cheap. We paid $4900 for our place. The realtor knocked $1oo off the asking price if we signed right now and we did. The following years taught us all a lot. The old timers were welcoming and friendly, happy to share their knowledge. Their own kids had moved away for good jobs in the factories and mills in other states. Great times for those of us escaping the bourgeoise trap. There was the occasional thin plume of smoke and steam from a still and you could leave some money in a hollow stump beside the road and find a mason jar on your return.
There was sharing of labor, mostly around haying time. One summer I helped put up hay for an real purist who had cut his connection to the grid and used kerosene lanterns for light. The hay was cut and raked with horse drawn equipment. He later gave up on that extreme lifestyle, became an electrician and went to DC for a while to make some money. What happened is that people discovered they could not make it as subsistence farmers. Those with an education and/or skills found a way to stay on. Some learned crafts and sold their work at fairs and to shops. Others became mechanics, worked construction, took paying jobs as teachers or set up a business. Now, 40 years later, most of those who remain on the land have an outside job or are living on social security and retirement funds. They are mostly children of the city and suburb and have reverted to the lives of their formative years, but with acreage.
Having city connections led some to the lucrative cannabis trade. There is a long standing mountain tradition of tolerance and avoiding government types, going back to the days of serious distillation of spirits. Those who took the easy road became rich. Everyone knew what was going on, but it was bringing money into a threadbare local economy. It got out of hand and a mention in High Times magazine led to a massive bust by feds, state and county police, complete with helicopter landings. Gestapo tactics were used to turn neighbors against each other. People were threatened with losing their kids unless they came up with names. Those who could escape moved away and others spent time in the slammer. What resulted was a crumbling of a community that had started with idealism, trust and sharing. Those who did not take the easy road also paid a price.
To close on an upbeat, we have a new crop of young families with kids who are experimenting with growing and selling local farm products and finding their own ways of living on the land and building a community. They are bringing some happiness back to my jaded soul.

TE
TE
December 12, 2016 12:48 am

Thank you for this.

One of my favorite sayings is, “necessity is the mother of invention.”

I grew up poor, have struggled as often as not, and rarely gone without because I’ll fix it myself and figure it out. My son and I fixed up a trashed house he purchased super cheap. But your skills blow me away and your knowledge base would have been invaluable!

Peace to you and yours. Merry Christmas

Gayle
Gayle
December 12, 2016 2:53 am

The most tragic people are the ones with no friends.

Wonderful piece HSF.

RCW
RCW
December 12, 2016 8:49 am

It’s better to give than receive, especially to a friend in need.

Thanks for the reminder HSF.

TrickleUpPolitics
TrickleUpPolitics
December 12, 2016 9:01 am

Skillfully written, profound, enjoyable. Best of all, it gives me hope that we are Americans together, that it is still possible to find this connection when all we hear about and read about is red state blue state. Thank you for sharing. And, Merry Christmas.

Curtis W Miller
Curtis W Miller
December 12, 2016 9:25 am

Absolutely wonderful, HSF!

Your home solar system sounds fabulous, and will be even better now! I honestly wish I had made some choices similarly back in the day, but it is too late to change course at this stage of my life. I’ll just have to learn from your experiences, and exquisite writing style, while “paying” for the guilty pleasure of your observations with the occasional purchase of pure maple syrup. (Mighty tasty, that!)

THANKS!!, as always!

Maggie
Maggie
December 12, 2016 10:48 am

And not one word wasted. I once participated in a classroom exercise that required scene setup with less than ten well chosen words.

A+

As for the syrup, not one drop wasted!!

Stucky
Stucky
December 12, 2016 11:03 am

Is there anything HF can’t do? Talented fucker he is. When TSHTF and the Zombies roam, one would be hard pressed to find a better neighbor than HF. And if he called you a friend? Then you just hit the fucken Jackpot. Seriously.

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
December 12, 2016 5:35 pm

I think you have the right idea, HSF, and well put. Merry Christmas to you & your family.

Back in PA Mike
Back in PA Mike
December 12, 2016 6:29 pm

Well said HSF, Merry Christmas to you and your family.

Ms.Ciscero
Ms.Ciscero
December 13, 2016 3:44 am
Muck About
Muck About
December 13, 2016 4:50 am

@HSF: Perfection as usual.

Muck

overthecliff
overthecliff
December 14, 2016 1:56 pm

One of the best places to live in the USA is in HSF’s neighborhood.

He writes pretty good, too.