COMMON SENSE – 2017

“Without the pen of the author of Common Sense, the sword of Washington would have been raised in vain.” John Adams

Thomas Paine was born in 1737 in Britain. His first thirty seven years of life were pretty much a series of failures and disappointments. Business fiascos, firings, the death of his first wife and child, a failed second marriage, and bankruptcy plagued his early life. He then met Benjamin Franklin in 1774 and was convinced to emigrate to America, arriving in Philadelphia in November 1774. He thus became the Father of the American Revolution with the publication of Common Sense, pamphlets which crystallized opinion for colonial independence in 1776.

The first pamphlet was published in Philadelphia on January 10, 1776, and signed anonymously “by an Englishman.” It became an instantaneous sensation, swiftly disseminating 100,000 copies in three months among the two and a half million residents of the 13 colonies. Over 500,000 copies were sold during the course of the American Revolution. Paine published Common Sense after the battle of Lexington and Concord, making the argument the colonists should seek complete independence from Great Britain, rather than merely fighting against unfair levels of taxation. The pamphlets stirred the masses with a fighting spirit, instilling in them the backbone to resist a powerful empire.

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It was read aloud in taverns, churches and town squares, promoting the notion of republicanism, bolstering fervor for complete separation from Britain, and boosting recruitment for the fledgling Continental Army. He rallied public opinion in favor of revolution among layman, farmers, businessmen and lawmakers. It compelled the colonists to make an immediate choice. It made the case against monarchy, aristocracy, tyranny and unfair taxation, offering Americans a solution – liberty and freedom. It was an important precursor to the Declaration of Independence, which was written six months later by Paine’s fellow revolutionaries.

Paine’s contribution to American independence 241 years ago during the first American Fourth Turning cannot be overstated. His clarion call for colonial unity against a tyrannical British monarch played a providential role in convincing farmers, shopkeepers, and tradesmen reconciliation with a hereditary monarchy was impossible, and armed separation was the only common sense option. He made the case breaking away from Britain was inevitable, and the time was now. Armed conflict had already occurred, but support for a full-fledged revolution had not yet coalesced within the thirteen colonies. Paine’s rhetorical style within the pamphlets aroused enough resentment against the British monarchy to rally men to arms, so their children wouldn’t have to fight their battles.

“I prefer peace, but if trouble must come, let it be in my time that my children may know peace.”Thomas Paine

Paine did not write Common Sense or The American Crisis pamphlets for his contemporaries like John Adams, Samuel Adams, Jefferson, Madison, or Franklin. These intellectual giants were already convinced of the need to permanently break away from the British Empire and form a new nation. Paine wrote his pamphlets in a style understandable to the common man, rendering complex concepts intelligible for the average citizen. Paine seized this historic moment of crisis to provide the intellectual basis for a republican revolution. To inspire his citizen soldiers, George Washington had Paine’s pamphlets read aloud at their encampments.

“These are the times that try men’s souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives everything its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as freedom should not be highly rated.” – Thomas Paine – The American Crisis

The wealthy landowners and firebrands who comprised the Continental Congress leadership were not the audience Paine was trying to sway. They were focused on how a Declaration of Independence would affect the war effort. They were deficient in making their case to the less informed populace.

Without public support and volunteers to fight the Redcoats, the revolution would have failed. Paine’s indispensable contribution to our country’s independence was initiating a public debate and disseminating ideas about independence among those who would need to do the fighting and dying if independence was to be achieved.

Paine was able to synthesize philosophical enlightenment concepts about human rights into common sense ideas understood by ordinary folks. Paine was not a highly educated intellectual and trusted the common people to make sound assessments regarding major issues, based upon wisdom dispensed in a common sense way. He used common sense to refute the professed entitlements of the British ruling establishment. He used common sense as a weapon to de-legitimize King George’s despotic monarchy, overturning the conventional thinking among the masses.

Paine was able to fuse the common cause of the Founding Fathers and the people into a collective revolutionary force. Even though their numbers were small, Paine convinced them they could defeat an empire.

“It is not in numbers, but in unity, that our great strength lies; yet our present numbers are sufficient to repel the force of all the world”Thomas Paine, Common Sense

Paine didn’t know he was propelling the American Revolution Fourth Turning towards its successful climax when he wrote those pamphlets. His use of the term Crisis as the title to his second group of pro-revolutionary pamphlets displayed his grasp of the mood in the colonies toward the existing social order. The majority of the 2.5 million people living in the 13 colonies in 1776 were native born. Their loyalty to a distant monarch, treating them with contempt and taxing them to support his far flung empire, had been waning as time progressed. They were ready to shed the cloak of oppression and Paine gave them the rationale for doing so.

The American Revolution Crisis was ignited by the fiery Prophet Generation leader Samuel Adams with the provocative Boston Tea Party in 1773. The colonial tinderbox was ignited as Adams’ committees of correspondence rallied resistance against the Crown and formed a political union among the 13 colonies. After the battles of Lexington & Concord, arming of militias and the formation of the Continental Army under command of George Washington, the regeneracy was at hand.

Paine, as a Liberty Generation nomad, did what his generation was born to do – be a hands on, pragmatic, get it done leader. His vital contribution to the revolution was rousing the colonists with the toughness, resolution, and backbone to withstand the long difficult trials ahead. He, along with other members of his generation – George Washington, John Adams, and Francis Marion, did the heavy lifting throughout the American Revolution.

They knew they would hang if their labors failed, but the struggle for liberty against a tyrannical despot drove them forward against all odds. Paine’s pamphlets, followed shortly thereafter by the Declaration of Independence, marked the regeneracy of the first American Fourth Turning, as solidarity around the cause of liberty inspired by brave words and valiant deeds, propelled history towards its glorious climax at Yorktown.

When you’re in the midst of a Fourth Turning it is hard to step back and assess where you are on a daily basis. This Fourth Turning began in September 2008, with the global financial implosion created by the Fed and their Wall Street puppet masters. We have just achieved the long awaited regeneracy as Trump has stepped forth as the Grey Champion to lead a revolution against the corrupt tyrannical establishment.

The election of Trump did not mark the end for the Deep State, but just the beginning of the end. Just as Paine’s Common Sense and the Declaration of Independence denoted the beginning of a long string of bloody trials and tribulations, Trump’s ascendency to the presidency has marked the beginning of a battle – with the outcome dependent upon our response to the clashes ahead.

The regeneracy spurred by Thomas Paine and the nation’s Founding Fathers in 1776 was followed by five years of ordeal, misery, misfortune, bloody routs, and numerous junctures where total defeat hung in the balance. Lesser men would have abandoned the cause during the dark bitter winter at Valley Forge in 1778.

The shocking victory by Trump has revealed the depth of corruption among the corporate mass media, both political parties, surveillance agencies, and shadowy Deep State moneyed players behind the scenes. The ivory tower D.C. politicians, their entitlement culture, blatant corruption, vile disregard for the Constitution, and complete disregard for the plight of average Americans living outside their bastions of liberal elitism (NYC, L.A., S.F., D.C., Chicago), have shown their true colors since November 8.

Trump utilized the same populist messaging invoked by Paine in his Common Sense pamphlets during his unorthodox presidential campaign. He mobilized the large alienated silent majority who has been left behind as the globalists, corporatists, and militarists reaped the rich rewards of a growing corporate fascist surveillance state. Average Americans in flyover country watched as the fetid swamp creatures in the mainstream media, along with debased political establishment hacks, Hollywood elites, left wing billionaires, and so called social justice warriors coalesced behind a criminal establishment candidate. The out of touch elite have controlled the government for decades, treating the country and its people like a two dollar whore.

Just as Paine hit a nerve among the great unwashed masses, Trump united blue collar workers, small business owners, family men, working mothers, guns rights champions, disaffected conservatives, realistic libertarians, disaffected millennials and various anti-establishment types sick and tired of the status quo. He gave voice to the little man with his in your face populist rhetoric against the corrupt dominant elites.

His plain spoken, aggressive, no holds barred, pugnacious approach to crushing his enemies rallied millions to his cause. The Make America Great Again revolution has only just begun and the violent, vitriolic pushback from the vested interests are only the opening volleys in this Second American Revolution. The entrenched Deep State establishment will concede nothing. Tyranny will not be defeated without bloodshed.

“Power concedes nothing without demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.” – Thomas Paine

The same common sense Paine used to argue against a tyrannical, oppressive hereditary monarchy applies today when judging our corrupt, authoritarian, co-opted government. His themes of society as a blessing, government as evil, and revolution as inevitable are as applicable today as they were 241 years ago. As we approach Trump’s inauguration it has become clear the ruling elite feel threatened and are using their control of the media, intelligence services, military, and financial system to try and undermine his presidency before it begins.

As their fake news propaganda falls on the deaf ears of disgusted Americans, their next ploy will be violence, war or assassination. The vested interests have no intention of relinquishing their power and wealth, just as King George and his Parliament had no intention of allowing the colonies to form an independent republic.

If you thought voting Trump into the office of the president constituted a victory, you are badly misreading historical precedent and the inevitable paths of Fourth Turnings. The fight is just beginning. The leftist social justice warriors, their wealthy elite puppeteers, the neo-con military industrial complex warmongers, globalists, multi-culturists, and surveillance state apparatchiks have all made it clear they will violently and rhetorically, through their corporate media mouthpieces, resist Trump and his common man revolution.

I don’t know if the normal people who supported Trump realize how abnormal, deviant, and despicable their opponents are. Blood will be spilled. Violence will beget violence. The country is already split and the divide will only grow wider. Someone will win and someone will lose. Our choices will matter.

“The seasons of time offer no guarantees. For modern societies, no less than for all forms of life, transformative change is discontinuous. For what seems an eternity, history goes nowhere – and then it suddenly flings us forward across some vast chaos that defies any mortal effort to plan our way there. The Fourth Turning will try our souls – and the saecular rhythm tells us that much will depend on how we face up to that trial. The saeculum does not reveal whether the story will have a happy ending, but it does tell us how and when our choices will make a difference.”  – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

In Part Two of this article I will try to show how Paine’s Common Sense, even though written three generations ago, has essential pertinence during these troubled times of our current Fourth Turning.

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Uncola

as solidarity around the cause of liberty inspired by brave words and valiant deeds, propelled history towards its glorious climax at Yorktown.

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The out of touch elite have controlled the government for decades, treating the country and its people like a two dollar whore.

Great essay. Beyond excellent. A+

Can’t wait for the next installment.

Rise Up

Great article, Admin! I like the Paine-Trump comparison and how you tied it to the current 4th Turning Crisis period.

Maggie
Maggie

An excellent essay on one of my favorite topics. The power of the pen and the skill of wordsmiths who made a difference.

hardscrabble farmer

Stunning piece of literary jiu jitsu.

That impressionable children are reading Howard Zinn instead of James Quinn is one of the great injustices of the modern era.

Bravo.

Kissinger
Kissinger

go write something boring that no one will read

cognitive dissident
cognitive dissident

Quite an enjoyable piece. In the fourth paragraph though you wrote that Paine’s contribution cannot be understated. I think overstated was the word you were looking for.

SSS

“The wealthy landowners and firebrands who comprised the Continental Congress leadership were not the audience Paine was trying to sway. They were focused on how a Declaration of Independence would affect the war effort. They were deficient in making their case to the less informed populace.”
—-from the article

Pay attention, folks. This is as true today as it was over 240 years ago. The absolute beauty of the American Revolution was that it was led by the wealthy. Never happened before, never happened since. But Paine WAS critically instrumental in garnering popular support for the effort.

Now the billionaire Trump is on the hot seat. He will need your support to throw a lot of the bullshit of the last 50 years into the historical dustbin. Don’t blow it.

Oh, this ranks as Admin’s top article EVER. IMHO. The research and analysis are first rate. If you disagree, let me know. I will be glad to engage.

Maggie
Maggie

Certainly in the top three I’ve read. And in my spare time I read the archives here a lot.

Time well spent.

Saeed
Saeed

Greetings, the elite are more cunning than any realizes. They have used religions, ethnicities, languages, fractional-reserve banking to divide and conquer common people…like Vatican has hijacked Christianity, Zionism has hijacked Judaism, Saudi Ruling elite via their Wahhabiism has hijacked Islam…elite have used Christianity to divide nations like Sudan based on religion where there is oil or other resources…the elite have tried to destabilize Russia and China with revolutions in Chechnya and Xinkiang, respectively. Satan is very clever.

Tea party movement fizzled out…occupy Wall Street movement was co-opted. So far President-elect Trump has chosen insiders (oil, Wall Street and MIC interest) in his Cabinet.

I think 4th turning will come when people realize that Trump was a decoy. Hope I am wrong.

starfcker
starfcker

SSS. I totally agree. Top shelf JQ, just as we have come to expect. There is a time to fight. That time starts Friday.

Robert Shear
Robert Shear

“Power concedes nothing without demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.” That was Frederick Douglass, not Thomas Paine, neither of whom would see any similarity between themselves and the orange fascist clown that is Donald Trump.

Stucky

“Paine’s indispensable contribution to our country’s independence was initiating a public debate and disseminating ideas about independence among those who would need to do the fighting and dying if independence was to be achieved.”
——— from the article

Perhaps that will be the next logical evolution of The Burning Platform …. that is, encouraging and urging on those who need to fight and kill to reclaim Liberty. For surely, that hour approaches.

One your best ever, Jimbo.

Maggie
Maggie

I thought the shit-fests amongst the monkeys served as practice, Stucky.

Francis Marion

Jim,

Thanks for the mention. Sometimes I feel like I am the bastard child of the revolution. It’s always “Washington this, Jefferson that, Paine is a great writer” etc etc…. Even that traitorous prick Benedict Arnold gets more air time than I do. How wrong is that, huh?!

Well, I’m telling you once in awhile it’s good to be acknowledged. Thanks again. You’re a good man.

Francis

Bostonbob

The Swamp Fox, aptly named. A precursor to the modern Army Rangers. I thoroughly enjoy your writing Francis.
Jim this is another great essay in a long line of great essays. You have attracted a fantastic group of writers to your fabulous blog. I am amazed, informed and entertained time and again.

Thank you
Bob.

Tionico
Tionico

Actually, while this is mostly true, that title more accurately belongs to Captain Daniel Morgan, whose small and select band of elite sharpshooters did a whole lot of damage to the Brits. To qualify to join that elite unit, one had to first FIND them, then ask… the test was to take a shingle, roughly the size of a man’s head, tack it to something 250 yards out, come back, load ONE round in YOUR long gun, and split that shingle with it. first try. Mind you, in those days, the Brits were trained to identify a distance of 100 yards, and trained to never engage any target at any greater distance. Yet Morgan’s men could reliably accomplish a head shot at two and a half times that distance.

They roamed about at will, raiding, harassing, generally making a hash of the Brits’ penchant for predictable order, “proper” conduct, etc.

Yes, Marion was an amazing man, and accomplished much. In reality, both men and their cohorts, along with William Heath, a general from near Boston, are looked to as patterns for the combat tactics, skills, etc, of today’s Special Forces. It was Heath brought in the use of “the skirmish” to harry British operations. That tactic was amazingly effective as the Colonials chased the Redcoats all the way from Concord back to East Charles Town the day Gage sent them out to confiscate the weapons of the colonists at Lexington and Concord.

Stucky

“He, along with other members of his generation – George Washington, John Adams, and Francis Marion ….
——– from the article

Ho Lee Shit. Our beloved poster Francis Marion is a LOT older than I thought.

llpoh
llpoh

Stucky says ” that is, encouraging and urging on those who need to fight and die to reclaim Liberty”.

I prefer Patton’s take on this. One does not win the war by dying for one’s country. One wins by making the other SOB die for his. (Actual quote: “No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making some other poor dumb bastard die for his country.”)

So I would change “fight and die” to “fight and kill”.

Stucky

Well, that’s exactly what I said! :mrgreen:

llpoh
llpoh

I gotta learn about the edit button – do not point out anything posted until after an hour has lapsed.

TBP monkeys cheat. I know that. But I forgot.

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Christian Gains
Christian Gains

“…urging on those who NEED to FIGHT & KILL to reclaim liberty…”! (To be EXACT!)

Well said Stucky!

Stucky

I don’t know if this is true, but I recall reading that the American Colonies were divided roughly into thirds;
—- 1/3 Patriots
—- 1/3 Loyalists (to England)
—- 1/3 Didn’t give a shit either way

So, if roughly half of America is for Trump, well, that’s encouraging.

MN Steel
MN Steel

I hate maths, maths is hard. Perhaps 62 million of those who actually showed up to vote is half the population, but the maths is too hard for me.

However, I find the ‘1/3 Didn’t give a shit either way’ figure resonates with both myself and those I know, for they are about ready to shoot whatever bastards are out in front of this leviathan, for the reasons stated in this article.

Stucky

No, 62 million is not half the population. lol

BUT …. what about all those polls?? 80%, or whatever, believe this, that, or the other … they say, and with a margin of error of plus or minus 3%. What is their sampling size? Usually well under 1,000 people.

SO … I’m thinking that 62 MILLION is a pretty decent sampling size. And, that the 50% pro-Trump figure of actual voters more than likely extrapolates rather accurately to the rest of the population which did not vote. Don’t you agree?

Charles
Charles

As someone who could not bring himself (in good conscience) to vote in this election, I’d say that your hypothesis is valid. With the proviso that Trump does not, at some point, reveal himself to be a malicious entity. My position is currently one of “wait and see”.

God appoints kings over the nations…both the good and the evil. I do not presume to know the mind of God, but I can’t imagine Him smiling on a nation of baby murderers and Sodomites. So…I will wait and see. I have NO doubt that God’s hand was on this election. His Purpose and intention in this matter are yet to be known by mortal Man.

Trump may fill the role of Baalam’s Ass, or he might play the part of Judas Iscariot. Only time will tell.

Aryan

Good analogy…..as above as below.

Gay Veteran
Gay Veteran

“…I can’t imagine Him smiling on a nation of baby murderers and Sodomites….”

jeez, bet you got all excited typing Sodomites.

freaking typical buy-bull thumper, fixated on Teh Gays.
interesting how your type NEVER mentions America’s monstrous war crimes

Charles
Charles

How many war crimes did you participate in?

Gay Veteran
Gay Veteran

Charles: “How many war crimes did you participate in?”

none, I got lucky

AGAIN: interesting how your type NEVER mentions America’s monstrous war crimes

War Fire
War Fire

Typical brainwashed, self-righteous, idiot! One side of your mouth condemns perceived judgement of gays (and abortion) as though there’s no right and wrong… yet the other side condemns some “monstrous war crimes” as though there’s is right and wrong. Are you somehow judge on these moral issues?

If you won’t acknowledge that it’s wrong and evil to kill a million babies per year, and that homosexuality is plain Wrong! you have NO moral ground to stand on to make any judgement regarding the evil of “war crimes”, so please STFU you self-righteous twat!

Gay Veteran
Gay Veteran

War Fire: “Typical brainwashed, self-righteous, sodomite idiot! One side of your mouth condemns perceived judgement of gays (and abortion) as though there’s no right and wrong… yet the other side condemns imaginary “monstrous war crimes” as though there’s is right and wrong, and somehow you’re the only judge on these matters? Fuckin idiot!”

let me guess, you’re a fucking retard who still thinks Saddam Hussein had WMD.
our invasion of Iraq was a war of aggression, thus the monstrous war crimes

Tionico
Tionico

Ackshully, Sadman Insane DID have WMD specifically chemical nerve gas weapons. But that was not a suitable reason to invade….
Yes, when Iraq invaded Kuwait, or whichever other sand lot it was, he used them in his attacks. After when we thumped his sorry backside and drove him and his boys back home to Iraq, part of the treaty settlement ass supervised destruction of those weapons, supervised by the UN. That went on for a few years, but after a bit ol Sadman tossed out the UN overseers and put everything under wraps. It was known at that time what weapons were still left. He DID have them, Now, after GW announced we were to invade (did he EVER ponder how things might have gone down had Churchill and MacArthur announced, a week ahead of time, our arrival on the sands of Normandy on 6th June? Don’t be STOOPID…..

SO< during the preannounced "holding period" Sadman began to deal with a lot of those items. We did learn later that he had used some on a few tens of thousands of Kurds living in the northern part of Iraq. the mass graves were found after our guys got in there. The surviving villagers told the story.
Remember that gas bomb that went off in Syria a couple of years back, that was blamed on Assad? Turns out the REAL story is that some ISIS type rebels had got hold of some of those, did not know how to use them, and one was deployed on accident due to ignorance. WHERE did that come from? Seems as part of SadMan's gas weapon game he had send quite a few truckloads of such devices into Syria. I saw some satellite photos of convoys of trucks, of types not seen in that part of the world, leaving the area where the gas weapons were sure to have been taken, and winding their way into Syria and into an area where such things were not then normally found. The images were from a Russian satellite… our boys would never spill the beans on such a matter.

Gay Veteran
Gay Veteran

Tionico: “…We did learn later that he had used some on a few tens of thousands of Kurds living in the northern part of Iraq….”

That was in 1988 you idiot. And who helped Saddam develop chemical weapons? That would be US!

“…Seems as part of SadMan’s gas weapon game he had send quite a few truckloads of such devices into Syria. I saw some satellite photos of convoys of trucks, of types not seen in that part of the world, leaving the area where the gas weapons were sure to have been taken, and winding their way into Syria and into an area where such things were not then normally found. The images were from a Russian satellite… our boys would never spill the beans on such a matter.”

why don’t you provide some PROOF!
man, still buying the neo-con BS, you are one stupid motherfucker. bet you think the Russians stole the election for Trump

Maggie
Maggie

We know why Congresscritters don’t do door to door meetings any more.

TampaRed
TampaRed

Far lower Active patriots from what I have read over the years Stucky.I’ve always seen the active # in the 10% range & it never went over 50%.
People on this list probably know about it but there were many recriminations after the war toward loyalists.

Christian Gains
Christian Gains

Don’t know about those divisions, but I DO KNOW for a fact that only 3% [III%] of the population actually fought, killed, died, and won us our Liberty…now, how many supplied, fed, clothed, cared for & did the Medical care, plus spied & wrote AFTER the war began, I do not know either…they, of course, would up the %, but not of warriors that gave their all to give us our freedom…Ck it out…

Jason Calley
Jason Calley

After WWII, it was discovered that there were approximately 12.8 billion people in the French Underground. Every butcher that put a thumb on the scale, every prostitute that gave VD to a German soldier..

Viva la resistance!

Tionico
Tionico

that’s what I’ve learned, too, and I’ve studied that period rather thoroughly. That third that was for it did not all actively promote the conflict. In reality only some three percent were actively engaged against George Three. (the origin of today’s “Three Percenters” groups). About ten percent were at least somewhat active furthering the cause. So yes, if half of us are FOR liberty, we’re in better shape today than those COlonials were then. But, we have something they didn’t have…. we’ve got THEM. And the history of THEM is pretty amazing. I mean, HOW in the world did two men, on horseback, who left the same house in North Boston at about 9 PM Tuesday evening on foot, bring about the reality within twelve hours of more than FOURTEEN THOUSAND armed colonial militiamen IN THE FIELD out to stand against the mightiest, best trained and equipped army on the planet? Remember, they didn’t have mobil phones….. not even wired ones. No Facebook or Twitter, no FRS radio sets, let alone ham….. consider that.

Pitchman

“—- 1/3 Patriots
—- 1/3 Loyalists (to England)
—- 1/3 Didn’t give a shit either way”

26% +- voted for Trump.
47% did not vote.

Time to break the 2 party tyranny open up the field and bring that ‘half’ of the population back into revolution.

In the first go round I believe only 3% actually took up arms against the Crown.

Still, the controllers are on the wrong side of history. They will perpetrate the Violence because ‘it is the last refuge of the incompetent’.

Ottomatik
Ottomatik

You have been teasing with the Sunday Paine.
Your connection of Trump with Paine, via communication with the average American, is masterful, really insightful work.
I’ll cast my lot in with the aforementioned kudos, at the top of The Burning Platform productions. Thank you.

TJF
TJF

Nicely done. It is one of those things that never would of crossed my mind on my own, but after reading the article, the Paine-Trump parallels are so obvious a blind man could see them. Jim Quinn the Illuminator.

Zarathustra

Fine job Jim, but I don’t know if I can take juxtaposing Paine and Trump, mainly because I can’t tell what Trump is yet. I can’t tell if he is a grand master at political chess or simply a rich reactionary with an ego the size of Cheops pyramid. I would object mightily with any comparison of Trump to Washington. Both may have been thrust into events which were way over their heads but from what I have read Washington was a genuinely nice guy who had no enemies and who was near universally respected. He was also perhaps the luckiest motherfucker on the planet. We shall see about Trump.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Go ahead, Zar, Paine was a hero to the revolution but he was reviled in Europe years later. This is a familiar experience, it’s what folks go through on TBP.

Charles
Charles

He might have been reviled for turning his back on God and dying an atheist. Such is the fate of the faithless. Look it up.

Gay Veteran
Gay Veteran

get your facts straight, he was a Diest, not an atheist

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

GV, a noob got mad because I said he is a moron for calling Jefferson a Christian Deist. What is that? Is it like a Christian Agnostic, some level higher than plain vanilla deist?

Gay Veteran
Gay Veteran

EL Coyote: “GV, a noob got mad because I said he is a moron for calling Jefferson a Christian Deist. What is that? Is it like a Christian Agnostic, some level higher than plain vanilla deist?”

well there are a couple of stone cold stoopid people here

Charles
Charles

Thank you! It doesn’t take a clairvoyant to see this country is balanced on the knife edge of fate. People with 100% certainty that Trump is a paragon of virtue, or some sort of political messiah, scare the living crap out of me! The opposite is also true.

Eventually, the truth will out. It always does.

Christian Gains
Christian Gains

Zarathustra, I agree that we should be prayerful about giving Donald too much praise as yet. BUT! Jim’s paralleling the two men is STILL fantastic….Because, the simple, unfettered truth is, YOU & I & a LOT of others may VERY WELL NEED to take up the slack, if Donald fails or falls…(BOTH are a REAL POSSIBILITY).

I’ve said for years that “We the People…” are ULTIMATELY the responsible characters that will get the job done right…OR…UTTERLY FAIL for want of trying…Donald CAN BE our catalyst, but he CAN’T be our SAVIOR…”that job’s taken!”, [as Oppenheimer learned to his chagrin, and, we needn’t repeat the mistake],…Jim’s done a masterful job of steering us in the right direction, but, it’s up to US what we’ll DO on that path!

Tionico
Tionico

you got that right…. remember, that Second Article of Ammendment places the burden, the responsibility, for “the security of a free state” squarely upon the shoulders of WE THE PEOPLE. Why else would WE be the ones needing arms? We MUST HAVE the tools to take care of what is OUR responsibility.

FFP
FFP

Terrific article Admin!

Thomas Paine doesn’t get nearly enough credit for his role in convincing not only the common man to break ties with England, but also some of the key Founding Fathers, including Franklin and Washington if my memory serves me correctly.

There is a fascinating book – Thomas Paine: Author of the Declaration of independence – 1947 by Joseph Lewis (Author) – that makes a very credible (imo) case that in fact Thomas Paine wrote the first draft of the Declaration of Independence. It also goes into great detail on his role in convincing many of the Founding Fathers of the need for separation rather than reconciliation.

While he was slandered by his enemies after his death, especially concerning his religious views, I believe the record shows that he was a man of absolute integrity.

I don’t comment often, but I love your work Jim, as well as many of the other frequent posters here. Can’t wait to see part 2!

Gayle
Gayle

I can only echo the rest. Thanks for a great essay Jim. I hope it gets some good exposure on the net.

Charles
Charles

Steve Quayle linked to it from his site. That ought to be good for a couple hundred views.

YYY
YYY

It’s the Jews, stupid.

Aaron
Aaron

I can’t help but notice the huge bias towards republicans when reading these articles. You keep talking about liberal elitism but have you forgotten 2000 to 2008? The system is rotting from both ends. Neocons fooled lots of people into going to war for dubious reasons and somehow convinced Christians that the actions of Israel – a hostile foreign state – were beyond reproach because… The Old Testament.

As far as Trump being a “Grey Champion” – we’ll have to see about that one buddy. Judging by his cabinet appointments, it looks like all his anti-establishment rants were simply a ploy to get elected – yet another duping of a frustrated American public who know something is wrong but can’t fit the pieces together.

Quit pandering to those with neoconservative tendencies and tell the whole truth, not just part of it.

Also, another thing to consider is that most of the founding fathers were members of a secret society with its own goals and aspirations not available for public scrutiny: the Freemasons. Before blindly accepting the “founding fathers were perfect” line of BS that we’ve been fed since 1st grade, let’s step back and see these men for who they were: people we didn’t know who happened to want independence from Britain – and who used the ideas of freedom and liberty to build the public support necessary to achieve their goal.

Stucky

Yes, indeed, this site is composed mostly of RePUKElican neocon cocksuckers. I’ve suspected that for years now.

I also agree that we shouldn’t even give tRump one fucking day as President to see what he actually does. Fuck that shit!

Lastly, yesiree!! Those Founding Father assholes were nothing but a bunch of rich white men hypocrites. They should have stuck their White Privilege up their collective asses. We surely would have been better off had they never been born.

Thank you very much for your impeccable analysis. My eyes have been opened. I was blind, but now I see … thanks to you. Hallelujah!

Zarathustra

stfu. I like this guy.

Maggie
Maggie

I think he just needs a bit of coaching. Unappreciated? El Carrion eater? You up to a trip to Mayberry?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Stuck, there are some pukes here who would be happy if they had never been born. I wonder if they have ever had a happy day at all. What makes them different from Muzzies? All they want for Xmas is the end of the world.

dsd
dsd

every something was born in Britain.
Britain is the key word.

underdog

USA Exploits all world.
GOD will punish you.
Eat, Consume, spend and enjoy your life.
And do not forget as an American: Hell is going to wait you all.

in the name of All underdogs of the world

(I know these will be deleted. so I am right you know)

Stucky

Moar insightful analysis!

Awesome grammar!

Amazing punctuation!

Beautiful logic!

We are BLESSED to have you walk among us. A light shining in the darkness. Listen and REPENT to this Mighty Man of Renown, oh ye Deplorables, lest ye be cast in the fiery pits of Hell, forever.

Maggie
Maggie

I am so glad I got to read underdodo’s insightful comments before Admin deleted them.

Charles
Charles

It would be a shame to delete such a monument to stupidity. No one in this life is worthless. Thank you for serving as our bad example, “Underdog”!

Tionico
Tionico

since I read and can reply to your comment, we have irrefutable proof you are WRONG……

hooh hah, gotchya

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

underdog is a moran. Nobody’s going to delete your shit, idiot.

Stucky

Admin !!!

When in the fuck are you going to implement the IQ test???? Letting these maroons comment willy-nilly is injurious to my brain cells.

underdog

Hey Stucky!

You also know I am right.
So its normal for you to bray….

Stucky

Sure you are. We all stand in awe of your intellect. Your brilliance is blinding.

Tionico
Tionico

you still have some of those?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

The ‘end the CIA’ article was the IQ test. A lot of morans failed miserably.

Stucky

“I have NO doubt that God’s hand was on this election.”
——- Charles

Great. Now the Democrats have something else to bitch about on CuNNt; “GOD HACKS ELECTION!!”

Do you think “God’s hand” pulled the Trump lever? Do you think God pulled the lever more than once in the swing states? Why can’t God deliver California? Does God always vote Republican? If He does vote Democrat, does he repent afterwards?

These are questions that keep me awake at night. Thank you in advance for any insight you can provide.

RiNS

You make me laugh Stucky!

What is really scary is there are people out there who believe it.

Frankie and Charles and 2051 likes.
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Charles
Charles

I am pleased that you are curious about your Creator. Might I suggest that you research the topic from THE definitive source document…The Holy Bible…instead of relying upon the word of a man you don’t even know?

Also, I know what’s keeping you up nights, and it isn’t politics. Been there, done that. We were all born sinners. We don’t have to die that way.

RiNS

Creator

You mean this Guy! Charles.

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Charles
Charles

“See the turtle of amazing girth. Upon his back he holds the Earth. Ever slow, but always kind…he holds us all within his mind.” _ Stephen King, The Gunslinger series

Keep faking it, hoping one day you’ll make it.

Betting your eternal salvation on the ramblings of a horror sci/fi writer doesn’t strike me as particularly intelligent or enlightened…but your business is your own and I leave you to wallow in it. Great graphic though.

hardscrabble farmer

Charles? At the very least you should do a bit of cursory research about the place you visit before commenting. You remind me of the people who go on these survival TV shows but never bother to learn beforehand how to build a fire or forage for food. It’s embarrassing to watch.

There has been an ongoing and in-depth analysis of the Bible done right here by the guy you’re mocking a chapter at a time. Interesting reading to say the least.

http://giphy.com/gifs/9AIM7RdkSBpFS

Charles
Charles

Man has been trying to make God a liar for at least 5000 years…without a single victory. It is written, “God will not be mocked”. Your position neither shocks or surprises me.

And as for my choice of where to post? Well, if this site is a Godless cesspool as you suggest…where better to witness?

There is no Constitutional Amendment guaranteeing anyone’s Right to not be offended. Methinks thou doest protest too much.

hardscrabble farmer

Charles, did what you just post make sense to you?

I didn’t even hint that you not post here, have fun. The only thing I said was that before you suggest people “research from the definitive source document…The Holy Bible…” that you look back a few weeks worth of posts to see that is exactly what the poster you criticized has done. I don’t even expect you to feel bad about being so arrogant and uninformed, only that you acknowledge it before you launch into a brand new and equally hubristic response.

But you do what you think best, I’ll leave it to the SFM’s to help sort out your particular brand of ignominy.

Charles
Charles

Yes. It made perfect sense to me. Perhaps you should identify the person I am supposedly “criticizing” and we can then verify that it is not you who are confused.

RiNS is clearly mocking the idea that God exists at all. Stucky is mocking the idea that God establishes leaders over the nations. You seem to share those opinions.

I am not obligated to research every comment made on this site as a prerequisite of commenting on such obvious and bold faced lies. Save your atheistic virtue signalling for someone who will be impressed by it. It is wasted on me.

hardscrabble farmer

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

For what it is worth, Charles, the reason so many people have turned away from organized religion has little or nothing to do with God and almost everything to do with people who spout off about how Christian they are and how atheistic everyone else is, regardless if they know anything about them. If you think that your approach will draw people closer to God I’d suggest you get back into the source document and dwell a bit on these bon mots-

“…by their fruits, ye shall know them.”

Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, Charles?

The Book of Genesis: TBP (The Big Picture)

The Book of Leviticus: TBP (The Big Picture)

Feel free to educate us, I’d love to hear your input on dietary restrictions.

Charles
Charles

Really? You want to discuss the dietary restrictions of Leviticus? What are you…a five year old?

Your “issue” is that I apparently disagreed with some friend of yours.

MY issue is you supporting a person who mocks the idea that God appoints kings over the nations.

You seem to want to compare fruits. God also speaks about comparing yourself to other men.

We are not condemned by that which enters our mouth, but by that which proceedeth from it. Meditate on that. It’s not me that you’re contending with…it’s the Word of God.

Pride goeth before destruction; and a haughty spirit before a fall.

You’re skating on thin ice.

Maggie
Maggie

Get a thesaurus and a little book called the Elements of Style by Strunk and White. Fix your passive voice and poor word choices used out of context.

Underdodo, you seem to have something you want to say which is what TBP is all about. And some of us here (thanks a lot, razzle) take a bit of bantering with to convince we lack a sound basic premise to our argument. Once we realize hygiene has nothing to do with circumcision and everything to do with personal responsibility for cleanliness, we can actually be quite open to ideas contradicting our own.

However, the kind of shit you write ain’t gonna do it.

TampaRed
TampaRed

Charles,
There is an old saying,”Don’t judge Christianity by Christians.”
You’re proving the truth of it.
You may or may not be correct but you sound like the guy who stands outside the courthouse everyday preaching thru a loudspeaker while being ignored by everyone passing by.

Charles
Charles

Are you at all familiar with the parable of the seed? Because that is the extent of my answer.

And if I am being ignored, why are so many responding? They accuse me of “hijacking” the thread, but they perpetuate it themselves by responding (attacking).

My original post (a reply) was perfectly on topic. The muckrakers contending against the Word of God are the ones “hijacking” the thread due to my temerity to so much as mention that facet of the story.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Temerity is otherwise known as foolhardiness and not boldness as you assume.

Gay Veteran
Gay Veteran

interesting how your “god” NEVER regenerates the limbs of amputees.
too busy with Teh Gays I guess

Charles
Charles

It’s interesting that you blame all of your life’s misfortunes on God, when 99% of your problems are self inflicted and imminently avoidable.

You’ve been lying to yourself for so long that now you’re believing your own BS…and that’s more than just a little sad.

Gay Veteran
Gay Veteran

“It’s interesting that you blame all of your life’s misfortunes on God, when 99% of your problems are self inflicted and imminently avoidable….”

what are you, a f-ing mind reader?

interesting how you ignored what I wrote:

“nteresting how your “god” NEVER regenerates the limbs of amputees. too busy with Teh Gays I guess”

RiNS

Hey Vet

Just want to say that I respect your service to country. Charles and Dog may dismiss you but I don’t. Keep writing my friend!

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Charles preaching to a backslid Stuck is precious.
Stuck has existential questions that you or anybody else cannot answer.
He is like Cool Hand Luke in that empty church talking to the old man.

“…Anybody here? Hey, Ol’ Man, You home tonight? Can you spare a minute? It’s about time we had a little talk. I know I’m a pretty evil fella. Killed people in the war and got drunk and chewed up municipal property and the like. I know I got no call to ask for much but even so, you gotta admit, you ain’t dealt me no cards in a long time. It’s beginnin’ to look like you got things fixed so I can’t never win out. Inside, outside, all ’em rules and regulations and bosses. You made me like I am. Just where am I supposed to fit in? Ol’ Man, I gotta tell ya. I started out pretty strong and fast. But it’s beginnin’ to get to me. When does it end? What do ya got in mind for me? What do I do now? All right. All right. (He kneels on his knees and cups his hands in prayer.) On my knees, askin’. (pause) Yeah, that’s what I thought. I guess I’m pretty tough to deal with, huh? A hard case. I guess I gotta find my own way…”

https://youtu.be/SYUgGs9IStY

Maggie
Maggie

Good comparison, EC. Although llpoh scares me more. Like Dirty Harry.

Stucky

Thanks El Coyote, a true friend, you have a Heart of Gold.

Maggie
Maggie

Is that kind of like the “whore with the heart of gold” character in the dimestore western novels?

RiNS

Thanks EC

Needed a good tune or two this morning to fix the funk I am in.
Trump at the Gate. What would Mr. Paine have to say if he was on twitter? His quotes seem perfect for that medium. His quotes still inspire.

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Unshackled from religion, this man was truly revolutionary in his ideas.
He was the Original Emancipator.

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His faith was in the Power of the People.
Short in supply in this world of bits and bytes.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2

I didn’t know God was Russian.

RiNS

Nah Just Eastern Orthodox.

Charles
Charles

He’s Jewish by birth, actually.

RiNS

Charles

Admin spent time and effort to write this and you are hijacking it. Quit being a fucktard!

You are riding thread off the road. On purpose it seems. Why is that? You want to talk about existential topics of religion then mosey over to the links provided by HSF and have at it.

hardscrabble farmer

Seconded.

Charles
Charles

Why am I not surprised?

Charles
Charles

Here’s a thought…why don’t you go create and pay for your OWN web site. Then you can control free speech to your heart’s content. Until then, you’re just going to have to persevere.

Maggie
Maggie

He has one and I’m now breaking the TBP rule of ignoring stupid trolls who don’t contribute to the discussion.

Charles
Charles

Well shame on you then. Sounds like you have impulse control issues.

RiNS

God will punish you? Really Underdog.

Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that this underdog is just another alias for a Bailiff from Quebec! Maybe not. Could be that he is just cut from same self righteous Libtard Cloth. There does seem to be an abundance of it laying in streets these days. His insightful analysis has same depth and colour as the Cartoon Character. How apropos. Non!

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SJW’s, Deep State Apparatchiks and useful idiots like Underdog running around with their hair on fire these days. I am enjoying every minute of it. Dog I have been and will be in future more than happy to pour more gas and light more matches. Just for you!

A thought provoking article Admin. Equating Mr. Paine with Mr. Trump would have seemed a stretch just a few short years ago. Trump, like Paine before, does connect with the unwashed. He talks with a plain English that people understand and enjoy. These days rather than writing a Treatise Trump just casts 140 characters at a time. It has same effect.

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Heroes and Leaders often come from the most unlikely places. Trump is no different. The importance of this article however is that it points out that this isn’t the end of story.

There will be a Valley to Forge. The place and time is yet to be determined.

Charles
Charles

I’m pretty sure he was referring to “Allah” and not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. It explains his positions perfectly.

JimmyOakland
JimmyOakland

Correct, and the other side is not going to just give it up. Remember the words of Frank Costello in The Departed: “If I got one thing against the black chappies, it’s this – no one gives it to you. … you have to take it.”

overthecliff
overthecliff

I’ve said it before and say again, I do not know where Quinn finds the time to do all the family and work activities and write the way he does. One article would be a helluva undertaking but he just keeps cranking them out. Interesting and thoughtful stuff attracted me to TBP about 5 years ago and the good stuff just keeps coming.

TampaRed
TampaRed

It’s actually his wife & girlfriend working together to produce this site.

John Doe
John Doe

Brilliant. Once again I am impressed with the way in which Jim clearly conveys the current predicament and the choices we have to overcome the creeping oppression that ever so slowly scurried its way into the halls of power. Can’t wait for Part 2.

George Tirebiter
George Tirebiter

Jim,
Despite what many believe, the American Revolution was conceived and perpetrated by Freemasonry to further the financial interests of the financier/Oligarchs as well as the North American Elite and create an impression of independence from British money interests and the ‘Crown.’ It was not, as we are told, the product of a popular uprising against British tyranny. Indeed most ‘ordinary’ Americans were of British ancestry, and were fiercely loyal to King George III.
Thomas Paine (1737-1809), was a British writer of anonymous pamphlets, who arrived in America November 30, 1774, with a letter of introduction from Freemason Grandmaster Benjamin Franklin.
Paine was in on the game.
And Trump is in on the game.
Unfortunately the Financier/Oligarchs running the show have successfully misdirected another desperate attempt by the serfs to break free of their chains. In this case it was primarily serfs on the right, while last time it was serfs on the left.
The One World Cabal just ping pongs the discontent back and forth offering up one puppet after another while their agenda continues to move forward.
The latest puppet, just like all of them, will continue to walk back, since he’s a master snake oil salesman, as evidenced by how many people were pulled up to his sales table….and will be Trumped.
Cheers

TampaRed
TampaRed

Do you write this just to tweak people or are you bat poo crazy?
The bigger the conspiracy the more likely it is to be caca,especially on the front side,as opposed to the reaction side where people do conspire to hide their ineptness or being asleep at the switch.

Rdawg
Rdawg

Oh great. It’s another one of these “damned if we do, damned if we don’t” fucks.

All is according to plan. You were duped again. The Illuminati/NWO/Freemason/Joos/Reptile overlords are in control.

Oh well. At least Bea, Indentured and Jack Lovett will have somebody to talk to.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Mr. Dawg is ignorant and irritating as fuck.

Rdawg
Rdawg

Which “Anonymous” are you, fuckwad?

Go eat a bag of dicks.

RiNS

Rdawg

Anon is just a chickenshit. I was going to comment last night. Thought comment was spot on.

Rdawg
Rdawg

Rob,
We seem to have many opinions in common.
Must be my Scottish heritage.
Thanks,
RD

RiNS

You might have something there…

Havent heard much from our buddy bb lately. Trixie must have him tied down somewhere.

Rdawg
Rdawg

“Trixie must have him tied down somewhere.” Ha! Yeah.

Prolly found a $20 bill in his coat pocket and decided to spring for “The Deluxe”!

As much grief as we give him, I kinda like the guy. He’s sorta like that semi-retarded cousin that’s annoying but charming at the same time.

RiNS

I do too man. He gives as good as he gets. And take things too serious.

starfcker
starfcker

Where are Bea and IS?

Rdawg
Rdawg

Blowing each other.

anon the chickenshit
anon the chickenshit

Two retards like Mr. Dawg and RiNS talking shit…………..yawn.

RiNS

Chicken

Lighten up man! I wouldn’t have said what dawg said just above but don’t get all high and mighty now. You are playing just as bad as everyone else.

ottomatik
ottomatik

Tirebiter- Are you really contending that The American Revolution failed to provide the greateast increase in individual liberty that planet Earth has ever recorded?
Didnt think so….

Llpoh
Llpoh

Holeefuk.

The number of mangoworms and jigger fleas infesting the site is growing exponentially.

Maggie
Maggie

It is the sacrifice TBP must make in light of Admin’s phenomenal literary success.

Virginia
Virginia

Nothing created by people will ever be perfect. IMO the Constitution of these United States comes closer than most to the best way to create a legal basis for a country. Freedom , wow, who needs drugs?

Stop fighting each other, good people, it is what the Father of Lies and deception wants. Don’t judge others because their sins are different than yours.

Charles
Charles

Like it or not Satan is, for the time being, the god of this world. The people fighting on the internet today will be fighting in the streets tomorrow. It’s already started…leftist BLM lunatics ambushing police and burning their own communities down, Muslims perpetrating mass murders year after year…and on it goes. It is going to become MUCH worse in the coming year. We’ve already passed the point where this doesn’t end in rivers of blood.

And on the subject of sin, we are in fact instructed to “judge” sin, both in ourselves AND in others. The following passage illustrates not only this point, but also the hour in which we currently live:

2 Timothy 3:
1: This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2: For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3: Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4: Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5: Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Notice the admonition to turn away from these sinful people? How will you do that if you can’t judge sin? It is a person’s relationship with God that we are not to judge. Their actions (sins) are fair game. It’s why we have courts, judges and prisons. Life without judgment is anarchy, and silence implies consent.

Axel
Axel

Bravo Mr. Quinn. Perhaps, you, James Quinn, are the Thomas Paine of our time. Or the Voltaire. I sadly had been remiss in the supporting of your site. I have rectified that error and donated. Yours is the first site I read each day, every day.

underdog

my English is not very good I know.
But your Turkish is zero.
so try to undersdent me.

I use UNDERDOG for oppressed, aggrieved, inoffensive peoples of this world….

USA tried to crash Turkey in 2016 by fake Religious order – sect and fail. (Not Trump but by Obama)
We will revange sooner or later or may be much later but we will.

500 year ago the most powerful state was us (OTTOMANS) and you were not there.
so may be 500 years later we again can be most powerful state of these world.

And When I wrote GOD I mean ALLAH .
Not your Christ. Christ is a messanger of ALLAH.
But some of your saints made him your GOD.

I linked here from a “GOLD rise and Dollar Crash in 2017” site…

Even these I say: HAVE A NICE DAY AND PEACE….

Stucky

ALLAH SNACKBAR!!!!

Listen douchebag, a country whose claim to greatness is an easy chair (Ottoman) does NOT belong in any discussion about greatness.

Get lost, punk. Don’t you have some heads to chop off?

Charles
Charles

I thought their claim to fame was “tea boys” and spilling the blood of innocents.

Charles
Charles

Well, well! I’ve been looking for an opportunity to speak to an actual Turk. It’s been many years since I was in that part of the world.

Now, I realize (or at least I assume) that you do not speak for that scumbag Erdogan, but I think you can probably answer this question easily enough.

Why should a country like Turkey, which that criminal Erdogan has turned into a radical Islamic state (Attaturk is spinning in his grave right now) be allowed to remain under the protective wing of NATO and the United States when every one of you buggering barbarians wants to see us all dead?

And on the subject of allah, since you brought it up… your false god, allah, is a pagan moon god associated with Ba’al worship. The Living God of Abraham spits on your idolatry, and in the end He will put each of you who repents not unto the flames of perdition for all eternity!

You are worshiping Satan and don’t even know it. Islam is a murdering, rapist death cult…not a religion. Mohamed was an insane homicidal pederast whose followers followed him for two reasons…fear of death and the promise of unpunished perversion (i.e. rape, murder, pedophilia, and theft). That is as true today as it was since the day that lunatic stumbled out of his guano filled hole in the rock.

In the immortal words of T.E. Lawrence, you are “…a silly people. A little people, greedy, barbarous and cruel”.

The difference between Islam and Christianity can be summed up in this one fact…Christians are free to question their religion and leave it at will if they so choose with no fear of human reprisal. Islam can make no such claim.

Know Jesus, know peace. No Jesus, no peace. It’s just that simple!

underdog

You (nearly all of you)
do not know anything
about me,
about Turkey and Ataturk
and about Islam.
Nothing!

Just you thought you know but you are really illiterate.

this ISIS is not in (or from) REAL ISLAM that in HOLY QURAN.

I hate ISIS as much as you.

You are very similar with a ISIS member.

They have been use sword to kill Thousands of people .
You have been use BOMBS to kill Millions of people.

These BOMBs bought by your taxes.

By the way ISIS is your invention and you use all kind of terorist organisations to Exploits all world.

If you really want to learn REAL ISLAM check out:

http://submission.org/

I bet you are very suprised!

Charles
Charles

I can’t help but notice that you cowardly ducked the one question I asked you!

Why should Turkey be allowed to remain in NATO? They are no friend of the West. At least we can nuke you back into the stone age when you inevitably betray us. The bombs are already there on the ground! We won’t even NEED a plane.

underdog

Last word to you:

Even if your corrupted religion was true;
Certainly Jesus and Abraham were ashamed of you.

Charles
Charles

In other words, you can’t come up with a single reason why Turkey should be allowed to remain in NATO.

Good to know.

underdog

do not heard or read about Inquisition courts ?

Charles
Charles

Absolutely, I have. That was in the Middle Ages. It was also the Catholic Church…not Christianity in general. We don’t still live and act like that in today’s world.

Islam is the one still living in the Middle Ages. The reason Islam never reformed itself is that it is full of willfully ignorant barbarians who would rather blow up their own children to spite their “enemies” instead of seeking the love and truth of their Creator. If we don’t exterminate you, you’d eventually do it yourselves. It’s in your blood.

underdog

so also you know:

you believe reformed version of a religion.

reformed by some man

(actually and interestingly these man from and lived in Turkey .
– The Council of Nicaea
– Saint Paul or Saul of Tarsus: put trinity to christianity.)

then in medieval reform time your religion changed again.
then change again. then again.

and there are hundreds of christian sects.

BUT HOLY QURAN NEVER CHANGED AND stay as come from ALLAH….

Tionico
Tionico

no, koran stay as put together from stolen works by one crazy man, no one crazy enough to change again. Like just so. good excuse cut off infidel heads.

Overthecliff

Charles,why do you only list the good things about mohammedanism?

Rise Up
Rise Up

Underdog, if you Turks “revenge”, it better be against Obama and not Trump. It was Obama’s administration (CIA) that was responsible, not Trump.

MN Steel
MN Steel

Shit, they’ll just lash out and kill a million Armenians.

Oh, wait, that was last century.

Perhaps stream up to Europe through the Transylvania region? I hear they’ve been sharpening pikes up there recently…

Maggie
Maggie

I even had to go give myself a thumbs down for thinking you had something worthwhile to say.

Charles
Charles

Lastly, just in case you don’t get it, let me add that Allah eats shit. It is in Christ’s love that I say this. Know Jesus!!!

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Charles
Charles

How did you get that picture of yourself from that position, troll? Everyone knows you aren’t me. All they have to do is look at the avatars. How much is the CIA paying you to try to discredit Christians today?

hardscrabble farmer

20,000 sets of eyeballs over at ZH have seen this already. Expect moar trolls.

Read it again this morning and it was every bit as solid as it was the first time. This is the best thing you’ve written and that’s saying something.

botclan

lew Rockwell posted the article this morning

Stucky

The Turkish Armed Forces collectively rank as the second largest standing military force in NATO, after the U.S. Armed Forces, with an estimated strength in 2015 of 639,551 military, civilian and paramilitary personnel.

In 2014, Turkish armed forces ranked #10 globally.

Turkey has a huge Air Force and operates over 250 F-16s. They have 2,500 tanks and thousands of anti-aircraft guns and other artillery pieces.

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Turkey WILL align itself with someone. Would you prefer that “someone” be the United States, or Russia/China? If you choose the latter, you just might be an idiot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Armed_Forces

Charles
Charles

What’s idiotic is taking hot coals into your bosom and expecting not to get burned. Turkey was not a radical Islamic State when they were invited into NATO. They were a Muslim nation with a reasonable secular government. That is no longer the case. You need to stop living in the past. Ataturk is long dead and Turkey is no longer trustworthy. Even a blind man could see that much.

Stucky

Jesus loves Turkey.

Charles
Charles

Jesus loves everyone. That’s not going to stop Him from sending them to Hell if they don’t respond in kind, though.

Seriously… how old are you really?

hardscrabble farmer

You should write your own post about your particular set of religious beliefs and submit it to Admin. He’ll almost certainly publish it then you can go on and on without blatantly hijacking one of his posts with your witnessing.

Sperging out is considered bad form on the Interwebs, even in these crazy times.

Charles
Charles

Don’t you have some wood to chuck?

TampaRed
TampaRed

He ain’t witnessing.
He’s read the book but he doesn’t know the author.

Charles
Charles

“Author(S)” – plural. Apparently you know less than you think I do.

Tionico
Tionico

FAIL. If you think he’s referring to the bible, there is only ONE Author. He did speak through a number of different men, but HE is the only author. The comment stands…. sometimes it seems as though you DON”T know Him. But that’s between you and Him.

Stucky

I just turned 18.

I apologize about the previous comment. WordPress cut me off before I could finish.

What I meant to say was that Jesus loves turkey on rye.

TampaRed
TampaRed

Exactly-we need Turkey to contain Russia.
Russia is not our friend-they do not have to be our enemy & may even be our partner at times but they are a great power like us & will always be our rival.

RiNS

Turkey hasn’t won a war against Russia for 300 years. Hell they can’t even contain the Kurds.

Tionico
Tionico

I’m not so sure. Seems the same lamestream media hacks that brought us the Clinton She Unit have also brought us a pack of verified lies about Russia. That business over in the Ujraine? Media fabrication. Russia “invading” and “taking over” Ukraine? Nonsense. Eastern Ukraine was formerly part of Russie, but the All Wise All Knowing All Powerful West decided to carve that part off of Russia and toss them together with the rest of Ujraine, assuring long term instability. Remember, it was a President of Russian background, duly elected, that OUR gummit (thanks to the kinyun) arranged to have deposed, sending the already shaky nation into deeper chaos. At that point, in reaction, those living in Ukraine solely because the dotted line on the paper map got moved, decided they really no longer wanted to be part of Ukraine, but to rejoin their country of origin, Russia. It was largely OUR manipulation and skullduggery that made the downing of that airliner over part of Ukraine into a real incident when WE tried to blame it on Russia, utter falsehood. Also, in Syria, Russia are the ones working to settle things down, they are smart enough to realise that NO ONE prospers during a war (except the folks that make, sell, operate military weapons and the logistics to supprt them). It was Russia brought about the retaking of Aleppo, after a long period of subjection to ISIS operatives…. remember the origin of ISIS? Yup.. OUR boys in Iraq trained and equipped them… and helped bring them to Syria to take down Assad’s lawfully sitting government. So WHO is the aggressor “over there”? Russia seem to be all about settling things down so men can get on with living their lives, raising their families, running their businesses.

flash
flash

Turkey is the friend of all Christendom. Make Christian genocide great again!

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9803/turkey-church-greece-mosque
Cheat your enemy that you may in the end win
If you find an opportunity, do not draw back from taking his head
Feed him on good food and let him drink sweet wine
Let this weaken him while you grow strong
But do not be careless, think that he can cheat you
If in the end you suffer, regret will be useless.

flash
flash

Great summary of what We the People face in the next few years, JQ. We should all prepare to gird our loin because as you so eloquently point out, the vermin who made the Obama presidency happen are not going to go quietly into the night.

This article from 2011 succinctly screams what a fraud perpetrated on the America people the Obama presidency was. Maybe the Obama years where a good thing. Maybe the disgusting negative experience of 8 years of the Great Divider were enough to jolt a middle America into getting more involved in creating the government we want instead of merely accepting the government the self-serving global corporatocracy wishes us to have. Time will tell.

August 18, 2011
Obama: The Affirmative Action President
By Matt Patterson

Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack Obama as an inscrutable and disturbing phenomenon, a baffling breed of mass hysteria akin perhaps to the witch craze of the Middle Ages. How, they will wonder, did a man so devoid of professional accomplishment beguile so many into thinking he could manage the world’s largest economy, direct the world’s most powerful military, execute the world’s most consequential job?

Imagine a future historian examining Obama’s pre-presidential life: ushered into and through the Ivy League despite unremarkable grades and test scores along the way; a cushy non-job as a “community organizer”; a brief career as a state legislator devoid of legislative achievement (and in fact nearly devoid of his attention, so often did he vote “present”); and finally an unaccomplished single term in United States Senate, the entirety of which was devoted to his presidential ambitions. He left no academic legacy in academia, authored no signature legislation as legislator.

And then there is the matter of his troubling associations: the white-hating, America-loathing preacher who for decades served as Obama’s “spiritual mentor”; a real-life, actual terrorist who served as Obama’s colleague and political sponsor. It is easy to imagine a future historian looking at it all and asking: how on Earth was such a man elected president?

Not content to wait for history, the incomparable Norman Podhoretz addressed the question recently in the Wall Street Journal:
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/08/obama_the_affirmative_action_president.html

Maggie
Maggie

That was an excellent article, flash. It makes me shudder to realize that all of Obama’s appointees were also give a pass. And they are sitting in positions without the credentials needed to “run the numbers” and so are making it up as they go along.

I don’t know if Trump can really drain the swamp, but there are a lot of bottom feeders to be scraped out when it is dry.

I was also wrong about underdodo. Nothing to say. Strunk and White won’t help.

flash
flash

It really does boggle the mind.
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While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher,

who’s hand was caught in the gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama being elected by a mass of media led, brainless liberals to be our president.

The old rancher said, “Well, ya know, Obama is a ‘Post Turtle'”.

Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a ‘post turtle’ was. The old rancher said, “When you’re driving down a country road on you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a ‘post turtle”.

The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor’s face so he continued to explain. “You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, and he doesn’t know what to do while he’s up there, and you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put him up there to begin with”.
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Overthecliff

NATO my ass. Those pricks just joined NATO so USA would do their fighting for them. I trust Russia more than the Turks at least we know where they are coming from.

Close our European bases and bring our men and stuff home. Let the kraits frogs and wops do their own fighting.

TampaRed
TampaRed

Here’s a short summation that will fit nicely here.It’s from NationalReviemOnline & highlights some of the differences between left & right.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443900/liberal-conservative-americans-opposed-first-principles-key-terms

Rise Up

Are you referring to that rag magazine that opposed Trump? Fuck them.

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innertrader
innertrader

First time here and the timing was perfection.

Thank you!

underdog

Charles read this

you said “That was in the Middle Ages. It was also the Catholic Church…not Christianity in general. We don’t still live and act like that in today’s world.

Islam is the one still living in the Middle Ages. The reason Islam never reformed itself is that it is full of willfully ignorant barbarians who would rather blow up their own children to spite their “enemies” instead of seeking the love and truth of their Creator. If we don’t exterminate you, you’d eventually do it yourselves. It’s in your blood.”

so also you know:

you believe reformed version of a religion.

reformed by some man

(actually and interestingly these man from and lived in Turkey .
– The Council of Nicaea
– Saint Paul or Saul of Tarsus: put trinity to christianity.)

then in medieval reform time your religion changed again.
then change again. then again.

and there are hundreds of christian sects.

BUT HOLY QURAN NEVER CHANGED AND stay as come from ALLAH….

Zarathustra

Yah gotta give it to ol’ Mohammed that he could bullshit a lot of pig-headed, hot-tempered, quarrelsome arabs to think his ramblings came directly from the big guy himself.

Tionico
Tionico

Best analysis of this scam I’ve seen anywhere. Those sand ticks muct have been pretty bored and hungry.

Stucky

It’s a DAMN SHAME that this amazing article by Admin is being hijacked by a mooslimfuk to spew his venom.

Maggie
Maggie

I know Admin doesn’t like to squelch free speech, but this discussion is so bad it shouldn’t be free speech. It is toxic waste that needs removal if possible.

Llpoh
Llpoh

I second the motion. For the second time.

Charles and Mooslimfuck are blights on this thread. Fucking shitbags.

Stubb
Stubb

Rather ironic given the title of this post, ey?

RiNS

Great comment Stubb.

Hershel
Hershel

Charles says:
January 17, 2017 at 10:21 am
“He’s Jewish by birth, actually”

Well congratulations youve turned off all 3 here now, Christians, a Moslem and a Jew. I believe its people like you that turn everyone off religions based on similar basic morality/culture and open to the subversive ‘progressive’ religion.
Dont bother with any arguments, its all about the vibes.

Zarathustra

Hershel says:
January 18, 2017 at 11:25 pm
Charles says:
January 17, 2017 at 10:21 am
“He’s Jewish by birth, actually”

Well congratulations youve turned off all 3 here now, Christians, a Moslem and a Jew.
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Don’t forget the Zoroastrian 🙂

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