A NEW JACKSONIAN ERA? (PART TWO)

In Part One of this article I documented the populist administration of Andrew Jackson and similarities to Donald Trump’s populist victory in the recent election. I’ll now try to assess the chances of a Trump presidency accomplishing its populist agenda.

The Trumpian Era

“But you must remember, my fellow-citizens, that eternal vigilance by the people is the price of liberty, and that you must pay the price if you wish to secure the blessing. It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their own selfish purposes.” Andrew Jackson

“For too long, a small group in our nation’s capital has reaped the rewards of government while the people have borne the cost. Washington flourished, but the people did not share in its wealth. Politicians prospered, but the jobs left and the factories closed. The establishment protected itself, but not the citizens of our country. Their victories have not been your victories. Their triumphs have not been your triumphs. And while they celebrated in our nation’s capital, there was little to celebrate for struggling families all across our land. What truly matters is not which party controls our government, but whether our government is controlled by the people. January 20th, 2017 will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again. The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer.” – Donald J. Trump – Inaugural Speech

It is not a coincidence the painting in the oval office behind President Trump’s desk is of Andrew Jackson. He has promoted his presidency as a Jacksonian quest to return government to the people. His chief strategist Steve Bannon, a student of history, helped mold Trump’s speech with echoes of Jacksonian populism:

“It was an unvarnished declaration of the basic principles of his populist and kind of nationalist movement. It was given, I think, in a very powerful way. I don’t think we’ve had a speech like that since Andrew Jackson came to the White House. But you could see it was very Jacksonian. It’s got a deep, deep root of patriotism there.”

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Jon Meacham, the author of the 2008 biography of Jackson “American Lion,” said the moment in which the 45th president was taking office was “unquestionably Jacksonian.”  Meacham notes the similarities between Jackson and Trump as outsiders who shook up the establishment status quo. Their pugilistic natures struck fear into the hearts of Washington insiders, upending their insular corrupt scheme of rewarding themselves at the expense of the common man.

“Jackson was the first president who was not a Virginia planter or an Adams from Massachusetts. The establishment at the time saw his election as a potentially destabilizing democratic moment in what was largely a republican culture.”

Jackson had pledged to sweep corruption out of Washington, comparing it to the herculean task of mucking out a “giant Augean stable.” Trump’s pledge to “drain the swamp” in Washington DC parallels Jackson’s rhetoric.  The establishment of the 1820s was still focused on Britain, the king and their own aristocratic schemes until Jackson was elected by the “mob of peasants”, shattering their comfortable insular existence. The arrogant privileged establishment has treated Trump with contempt and scorn during his entire run for the presidency.

Their fear and loathing has reached epic proportions as their ill-gotten favored status is in danger of being obliterated by Trump’s ascension to power through an overwhelming victory propelled by “the deplorables”. The establishment never goes down without a fight. The establishment has survived for two centuries like cockroaches who can’t be exterminated, as the commoners have proven to be easily manipulated and always open to bribes. Our descent into democracy has made each election is an advance sale on stolen goods.  

Most new presidents, including Barack Obama, receive a honeymoon period where they are allowed to pick their cabinet and set an agenda with only token opposition from their political opponents. The people have spoken and the country usually comes together to support the new president. Both Trump and Jackson did not receive that courtesy. Jackson was confronted by a hostile Congress during his entire eight year presidency. His agenda of fighting against the powerful entrenched interests in Washington DC, while expanding presidential powers and the radical agenda of giving more power to the people, immediately provoked a hostile response from the vested interests.

History is not only rhyming this time, but the response from the fetid establishment creatures of both parties inhabiting the swamps of DC is identical to the response received by Jackson almost 200 years ago. Trump’s honeymoon didn’t last 5 minutes, as Soros and his well paid domestic terrorist organizations have waged non-stop violent protests on behalf of the corrupt establishment. The level of disgruntlement and faux outrage from the left wing establishment, right wing neo-cons, and their corporate media mouthpieces, with the results of the election is historic in its level of intense hatred, dishonesty, and blatant disregard for facts.

The Deep State ruling elite are quite happy with the existing nomenclature of pillage, obfuscation, and propaganda which has kept them in control for decades, if not centuries. Despite popular support for his agenda, Trump will be met with non-stop resistance from the rich liberal elites, globalist billionaires, Hollywood nutjobs, left wing media fake news outlets, low IQ social justice warriors, and a myriad of other useful idiots manipulated by Soros and his cronies. It is going to be a long tough slog, with a high likelihood of civil chaos in the streets. Even Jackson didn’t meet this level of resistance.

The issue providing fodder for the hypocritical left wingers, who never protested for one second in the last eight years as their Nobel Peace Prize winning savior Barack Obama droned and killed thousands of innocent Muslims in the Middle East, is a temporary travel ban from seven failed states in the Middle East and the construction of a border wall to stop the mass of illegal immigrants pouring across our southern border.

Our already fraying social welfare safety net cannot withstand the addition of millions more illegal immigrants and Muslim refugees unwilling to assimilate and incapable of being productive tax paying members of society. The pandemonium, crime and terrorism engulfing Europe are as clear a warning as any critical thinking person should need. But their appears to be no critical thinkers on the left.

Islam is a religion of hate and the only religion where their zealots kill in the name of their god. They do not assimilate into our society, learn our language, respect our Constitution or obey our laws. Sharia law is their only law. The feminazis, genderless activists, communist judges and other left wing bomb throwers express outrage and rage towards Trumps executive actions.

Their hypocrisy and obtuseness is a wonder to behold as the Saudis and other Muslim nations treat women like dogs, while imprisoning and killing gays. Obama droning Muslim wedding parties, blowing up a Doctors Without Borders hospital, and causing a refugee crisis in Libya, Syria and Yemen didn’t generate a peep from the left wing, but a temporary travel ban from a few countries brings hundreds of thousands into the streets to protest the racist, misogynist, xenophobe Donald Trump. It would be laughable if it wasn’t so sad.

Trump’s divisive illegal immigration stance and rhetoric to send them back to Mexico echoes the most controversial issue of Jackson’s presidency – the Indian Removal Act of 1830. The Indian “issue” had plagued the country even before sovereignty from Britain. Previous administrations had tried to ignore the issue as settlers moved westward and clashed with Indian tribes in the South and North. Jackson was not one to ignore problems. The Act authorized the President to negotiate treaties to buy tribal lands in the east in exchange for lands farther west, outside of existing U.S. state borders. Jackson did not have a high opinion of the Indian tribes he relocated.

“That those tribes [the Sac and Fox Indians] cannot exist surrounded by our settlements and in continual contact with our citizens is certain. They have neither the intelligence, the industry, the moral habits, nor the desire of improvement which are essential to any favorable change in their condition.” – Andrew Jackson

More than 45,000 American Indians were forcibly relocated to the West during Jackson’s administration. He is blamed for the Cherokee Trail of Tears, where 4,000 Indians died during their journey westward. This was a human tragedy that could have been alleviated by a more humane relocation plan. This actually happened in 1838 under the Van Buren administration.

Historians are divided regarding Jackson’s treatment of the Indian tribes. There was no stopping the western expansion of white settlers. Violent clashes between Indians and white settlers were a growing problem. Further fierce conflict was inevitable. By moving these tribes west of the Mississippi, some contend Jackson saved more Indian lives than were lost on the journey. It will always be regarded as the most controversial issue of Jackson’s presidency.

The major difference between Trump’s plan to relocate Mexicans back to their country and keep more from entering the country, is they are here illegally. The Indians were on their land first. The government forcefully seized their land and used the military to relocate them outside of the current borders. Trump’s moral standing is higher than Jackson’s. Spineless politicians have ignored the illegal immigration issue for decades, but the law is clear. Without the rule of law and enforceable borders, our country will die a slow death. Time will tell how history judges Trump’s policies regarding illegal immigrants and refugees.

Jackson’s vow to purge the government of corruption and reduce the influence of moneyed interests echoes Trump’s campaign promises to drain the swamp. Jackson launched presidential investigations into all executive Cabinet offices and departments. Jackson believed appointees should be hired on merit. Jackson was truly a reformer as he asked Congress to restructure embezzlement laws, reduce fraudulent applications for federal pensions, streamline revenue laws to prevent evasion of custom duties, and strengthen laws to improve government accounting. Like Trump, Jackson was a strong supporter of veterans. The Service Pension Act of 1832 provided pensions to veterans while another act enabled widows of Revolutionary War soldiers, who met certain criteria, to receive their husband’s pensions.

Trump filling his cabinet with billionaire business people is his Jacksonian attempt to breathe competence and accountability into government departments. Trump’s theory is successful business people who can’t be bought off by special interests will be able to reform their departments and bring a business-like atmosphere to a dysfunctional bureaucratic government establishment. It’s guaranteed Trump’s administration will not be like any before it. Success would infuriate the left and provide elation to Trump’s everyday normal American supporters. The danger with all administrations, as Jackson warned, is factions are formed which endanger the liberties of the people.

“It is from within, among yourselves–from cupidity, from corruption, from disappointed ambition and inordinate thirst for power–that factions will be formed and liberty endangered. It is against such designs, whatever disguise the actors may assume, that you have especially to guard yourselves.” – Andrew Jackson

Jackson’s theory regarding rotation of office with competent administrators generated what would later be called the spoils system. The political realities of Washington, however, ultimately forced Jackson to make partisan appointments despite his personal reservations. Ultimately, his effort to reform government and make it operate more efficiently and for the benefit of the people failed. Introducing ethics into an unethical corrupt system is doomed to failure.

It is very likely Trump’s billionaire, high performing, large ego, results oriented cabinet members will grow increasingly frustrated with the Washington bureaucracy, back stabbing and gridlock. It won’t be anything like running a business and most will resign before the first term is over. This would also echo Jackson having to replace most of his cabinet during his first term.

This brings us to the two most crucial aspects of any president’s success or failure –foreign policy and monetary policy. Trump’s campaign rhetoric sounded much like Bush Junior’s bombast during the 2000 presidential campaign. No nation building, no invading sovereign countries, stop provoking Russia, and defending our southern border were his campaign promises.

Even though Jackson was a military hero, his eight year presidency was peaceful, with absolutely no armed conflict with any other countries. It seems men who have known the horrors of war tend to utilize the use of military force as a last resort. Obama and Bush, having not faced death on the battlefield, used the military to kill indiscriminately across the globe. Jackson promoted trade with other nations, rather than confrontation.

The U.S. has been at perpetual war since the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913. Trump’s oratory during the campaign was reminiscent of Ron Paul’s non-interventionist doctrine. He declared we would no longer attempt to fix broken countries through military intervention. In his first three weeks in office he has surrounded himself with war-like advisors who have already provoked Russia and China.

Trump has threatened Iran and North Korea with retaliation for missile launch tests. Despite Trump’s desire to reduce the number of conflicts he has our military responding to, the military industrial complex and their neo-con supporters in Congress continue to provoke conflict around the globe. His efforts to normalize relations with Russia will be met with resistance every step of the way. Trump’s chance of an eight year presidency with no major foreign conflict is very low.

It seemed improbable that Andrew Jackson, a one-time land speculator, slave trader, opponent of debtor relief and wartime nationalist, would become the voice of the common man.  By the 1820s Jackson’s personal business experiences had transformed his opinions about speculation and paper money, leaving him everlastingly mistrustful of the credit system in general and banks in particular.

Jackson most certainly walked the talk when it came to purging the government of the undue influence by unelected private bankers over the economy and government. His war on Second Bank of United States and ensuing hard money policies were a victory for the average man against the moneyed aristocracy. His victory was hollow, as Jackson was unfairly blamed for the subsequent depression and ultimately the bankers regained their capture over the economic and political levers of power in this country.

While on the campaign trail Trump railed against the Federal Reserve and Janet Yellen. He declared the central bank was politicized and responsible for the past and ongoing bubbles in the financial markets. He asserted, without equivocation, the ridiculously low interest rates kept in place in perpetuity by the Federal Reserve were a major cause of the non-existent economic growth and the ongoing malaise infecting the economy. He stated the stock market was a bubble about to burst again, for the third time in the last sixteen years.

Of course, he was absolutely correct, but his tone and relative silence on the matter since his election may tell a different story. When the stock market went to new all-time highs after his election he hailed it as an endorsement of his economic plan. I haven’t heard him asking for higher interest rates to pop the multiple bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate. Presidents seem to acquire tunnel vision when it comes to acknowledging bubbles during their reign of power.

Anyone with a grasp of history knows the Federal Reserve’s mandate of maintaining stable prices has been an undeniable catastrophic failure. The “goal” of 2% inflation is not stable prices, it’s inflationary prices. The rate of inflation during the Jacksonian era was virtually 0%. From the founding of the country, except for periods of war, through the industrial revolution the country experienced mild deflation. This all ended in 1913 when a few corrupt politicians handed over the power of currency debasement and debt creation to private banking interests.

Central banks and wars go hand in hand. The U.S. would not be able to wage perpetual war without the man-made inflation and debt production by the Federal Reserve bankers. Since the creation of the Federal Reserve prices have risen fourteen-fold, destroying the working middle class and shoving tens of millions to the brink of poverty.

Trump knows the score. One wonders whether every new president is ushered into a room by the Deep State controllers and issued their marching orders when it comes to Wall Street, the Fed, and the military industrial complex. With a $20 trillion national debt and $200 trillion of unfunded welfare liabilities, Trump has no choice but to support the Fed’s near zero interest rate policy and continuing the falsification of inflation data to keep the sheep in the dark as they are led to slaughter. His selection of alumni from the Vampire Squid on the Face of America (aka Goldman Sachs) as his key financial advisors does not bode well for the common man who elected him.

He doesn’t appear to have the courage and fortitude of Jackson when it comes to taking on the vested financial interests who have engineered a silent coup over the last few decades. Without their support, his tax cuts, border wall, infrastructure plans, and rebuilding the military would be DOA. His plans require more debt issuance and low interest rates. He will play along to get what he wants.

There will be no routing out of central bank thieves and vipers during Trump’s watch. He also won’t be paying off the national debt anytime soon. With social welfare programs on automatic pilot, tax cuts, tariffs, and new spending initiatives, annual deficits will approach $1 trillion again. There is nothing Jacksonian about that. Trump is handcuffed by a financial house of cards created over decades.

If he chose to take on the financial interests who rule this country, they would create an economic collapse like the world has never seen and/or remove Trump from office through legitimate (impeachment) or illegitimate (assassination) means. I know he is less than one month into his presidency and his intentions on a plethora of crucial issues are well meaning, but the odds are overwhelming stacked against him somehow making government work for the people.

The law of large numbers works against Trump, while not hampering Jackson. The national debt was $60 million and the population was less than 13 million when Jackson took office. With a national debt of $20 trillion and deeply divided, relatively ignorant, and mostly apathetic population of 330 million, Trump doesn’t have the financial flexibility or popular mandate to accomplish making America great again. That ship has sailed. He appears destined to govern during a time of civil chaos and ultimately financial collapse. And the climax will likely be a major global conflict involving Russia and/or China.

A major difference between the Jacksonian Era and the Trumpian Era is Jackson governed during the Second Turning Transcendental Awakening period. His populism and reforms were welcomed by the majority of the country. The mood of the country was awakened to social progress and utopian experiments to improve society. Trump has come to power in the midst of a Fourth Turning. Conflict, chaos, and crisis drive events during a Fourth Turning. There will be no overwhelming acceptance of any reforms put forward by Trump. Everything he attempts will be met with resistance. Despite his desire for peaceful relations with other nations, he is destined to be a wartime president.

Trump will most certainly accomplish the relatively easy stuff – cutting taxes, building a wall, increasing funding for the military, spending more on infrastructure, and repealing Obamacare. If he wanted to leave a legacy on par with Andrew Jackson’s he would break up the Too Big To Trust Wall Street banks; reinstate the Glass-Steagal Act; clamp down on, if not dissolve, the activist Federal Reserve; eliminate all income based taxes and replace with a consumption tax; tackle the unfunded social benefit issue head on and make the programs smaller but viable over the long-term; drastically reduce the size of every government agency, if not eliminating many altogether; pass term limit legislation for the House and Senate; and lastly, stop policing the world while dramatically reducing our military presence across the globe. Will Trump have the courage to do any of the hard stuff? If not, the decline of the American Empire is inevitable.

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Llpoh
Llpoh

Re The Indian removal, Admin said: “More than 45,000 American Indians were forcibly relocated to the West during Jackson’s administration. He is blamed for the Cherokee Trail of Tears, where 4,000 Indians died during their journey westward. This was a human tragedy that could have been alleviated by a more humane relocation plan. This actually happened in 1838 under the Van Buren administration.”

In addition, perhaps 6000 Choctaw died on their Trail of Tears, and around 4000 Creek on theirs, plus assorted other tribal losses.

Additionally, many died in the year/years following removal, as they were unable to plant and harvest crops. Additionally, the Indians were preyed upon during the trek.

So, as many as a third of Indians died during removal. Many more died as a direct result.

All accomplished under the Act, and the Treaty accompanying the Act whch promised perpetual friendship, amongst other things.

My enmity towards Jackson is eternal.

kokoda the deplorable
kokoda the deplorable

I have a brother that believes the end justifies the means – I happen to disagree with him.

The U.S. Gov’t committed genocide against our Native Americans – relocations could have been easily achieved with more humanity.

In the end, it is Zeitgeist. I have to reconcile myself to that reality.

Stucky

Llpoh

I know you say you don’t care about thumbs up/down. I don’t believe you. 🙂 Cuz I think it’s just human nature to be discouraged if folks don’t like our opinions, and encouraged when they do.

Regardless, I gave you a BIG thumbs up. Wish I had more to give.

I honestly don’t know what I ultimately think about AJ. I truly loathe what he did to Indian tribes. Murdering sack of shit. OTOH, he did truly awesome things. Getting rid of the central bank? How fucking awesomely cool is that?? I understand that you have a dog in this race … being an Injun, and all that. I imagine I’d eternally loathe him also if he killed thousands of Austrians. Really.

That’s the fucken problem with these down-voters. Even though most here know your background … they don’t give a shit. They only see comments through their own lenses. They have apparently no ability to walk a mile in your shoes. Me! Me! Me! That’s what it’s all about. They have no empathy. To see things from your perspective .. even for just one post. And that’s a damned shame.

I’m glad you’ve never left TBP, my friend. Weaker men would have done so long ago. You’re a real asset to this joint.

Llpoh
Llpoh

Thanks Stuck.

AWB

Why shouldn’t he stick around? He’s repatriated and has nothing better to do.

White Fang
White Fang

Shouldn’t that be expatriated, or did Lipoh leave OZ and come home while I was away?

AWB

Thanks for the correction.

White Fang
White Fang

Well, I misspelled Llpoh (“Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”). Thanks for the gracious reply.

Madras
Madras

@Llpoh The entire history of humanity (2,000,000 years) is nothing but people conquering other people. Some day in the distant future, the people in what is now the U.S.A. will be conquered and later those people will be conquered. Any president would have done what Jackson did (Removal Act) and you and I would have approved of it had we lived in 1830.

Llpoh
Llpoh

Madras – you ignorant slimeturd.

Go look at the vote and get back to me. No, not every president would have done it. At the time, there was significant opposition to the act, and it barely passed. It was entirely pushed by Jackson in aid of his personal interests and biases, and in support of the slaveholders of the south.

AWB

You left off man rising against oppression. The entire history of man of one of conquest AND man’s rising against oppression.

Montefrio

You expressed an affinity with the Irish, and as a citizen of the Republic of Ireland (dual-national with permanent residency in a third country) I thank you. Think of Andrew Jackson as we think of Oliver Cromwell: a butcher who acted as he believed was in the interests of his own nation while treating the native people as if they were less than human. Nevertheless, the overly long English occupation of Ireland was in many ways beneficial in the long run, much as it pains me to admit it. I think it is fair to say that with respect to the USA and to the native people who were there before the arrival of the Europeans, the same has to be said.

Llpoh
Llpoh

Montefrio – all peoples progress over time. They need not be slaughtered to so accomplish.

Re the Irish – the common Irishman and woman still are suffering from the corrupt acts of their leaders. It is disgraceful the politicians they have and continue to have. The same can be said of the US and Oz of course. The Irish have been shat on for centuries.

The Irish people honor the Choctaw. During the Irish famine, the Choctaw collected a not inconsequential sum for the day and sent it to the starving Irish, who still remember and honor that act of kinship. The Choctaw cared about the Irish, even though they knew them not. They cared more than the British, who should carry the scar of their inaction evermore.

Montefrio

Again, my thanks for your understanding of a people who have suffered much but complained little. I was unaware of the Choctaw nation’s contribution to the Irish people and thank you for bringing it to my attention. I should add that my family was closely associated with the Irish struggle throughout the 20th century, but even so, this detail escaped our attention.

You are quite right to denounce the largely wretched leadership the Irish have had to endure, but it has come to seem to me a sad idiosyncrasy of our people that has yet to be corrected. I’ve settled in South America and have more or less thrown in the towel with respect to Ireland after the travesty of the Lisbon treaty. As we say in NYC (my birthplace): “Money talks” and so on. My compatriots have sold out a literally ancient culture for the proverbial mess of pottage. I will never go back to Ireland, barring changes I seriously doubt will occur in what remains of my lifetime.

I wish the Choctaw nation (or what remains of it) well. Good luck in Oz!

madras
madras

Llpoh – “all peoples progress over time. They need not be slaughtered to so accomplish.”

History disagrees with your dreams of hopefulness. The 20th century began with a World War, and ended with the death of millions in genocides in Cambodia, Rwanda, and Serbia. In all, over 100 million slaughtered in 100 years. The only “progress” seems to our ability to adapt our technology to killing. For the Nobel Peace prize president, he approved more arms sales to foreign countries than any president before him. And please try to be indignant without being insulting. You didn’t invent outrage.

GM
GM

no disrespect intended sir . But possibly is this a case of misplaced anger?
Must we always target a reality that maybe,just maybe , is so far from our center of control that it is wasted energy ?
For the most part , it is what it is .
Let us indeed place anger on events and tribulations of the past. What do we accomplish, sir?
Near as I can tell , and I am just a lowly cook lol , we can perpetuate old wounds and move forward with that path of pain .
Or, as a people , we can move into possibly new thought patterns that are better?
Everything in life has brought me to this point , I am what I am , all learning experiences have brought me to NOW.
Do I use these points of introspection to create negative thoughts or positive thoughts ?
Of the older crew on TBP umm I was very negative .
As my life fades ,I have a different perspective .
Again , my apologies to any I offended in fight club, as I did not understand many things .
Be well all , just a cook .

Obadiah
Obadiah

As we can clearly see The One World System has/is receiving a deadly wound… where have I heard that before? Oh that’s right Revelations. Isn’t is healed by the False Christ? And HOW LONG is it before is healed, when both events happen in the VERY SAME VERSE? 2 months, 20, 200?

REVELATION 13

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast (One World Political system) rise up out of the sea (people of the earth) , having seven heads and ten horns (power), and upon his horns ten crowns (leadership), and upon his heads the name of blasphemy (lies against GOD).

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard ( never changes his spots), and his feet were as the feet of a bear (Esau’s people = Communists), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (Sounds like someone from the tribe of Judua): and the dragon (Satan, Lucifer, Snake, Ababdon, Son of Perdition) gave him (the One world system) his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his (One World Political system) heads as it were wounded to death (Brexit,Hillary losing, EU on fire, Deep State in trouble, etc); and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast (One World Political system).

4 And they worshiped the dragon (Satan, Lucifer, Snake, Ababdon, Son of Perdition)which gave power unto the beast (One World Political system): and they worshiped the beast (One World Political system), saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Want to go deeper? Try this ole Marine https://youtu.be/AyOTxbOsWrk?t=37

Fred
Fred

Extraordinarily good writing, Jim, with a firm historical grasp. Kudos to you! However…whereas you tend toward pessimism, I tend slightly toward optimism. Reason? Two words: “Bannon” and the young genius “Miller”. There they are at Trump’s side, and they *know*. My slight optimism may be misplaced. But….

SSS

“Trump will be met with non-stop resistance from the rich liberal elites, globalist billionaires, Hollywood nutjobs, left wing media fake news outlets, low IQ social justice warriors, and a myriad of other useful idiots manipulated by Soros and his cronies. It is going to be a long tough slog, with a high likelihood of civil chaos in the streets. Even Jackson didn’t meet this level of resistance.”
—-from the article

Quite true. Trump’s honeymoon ended the morning after he was elected.

SSS

“Islam is a religion of hate and the only religion where their zealots kill in the name of their god. They do not assimilate into our society, learn our language, respect our Constitution or obey our laws. Sharia law is their only law.”
—-from the article

Bingo (except for learning our language). Zara will comment soon on Netanyahu and the evil Jews.

This great article is fertile ground for comments from me. Stay tuned.

SSS

“The Indians were on their land first. The government forcefully seized their land and used the military to relocate them outside of the current borders.”
—-from the article

Half true. White settlers moving west had zero regard or knowledge of government agreements with the Indian tribes. They moved into areas that were under treaty with the tribes, and the government had no enforcement power to back their treaties with the tribes. Same thing happened with the Plains and Southwest Tribes west of the Mississippi.

The tribes killed lots of settlers because they believed lots of promises from the federal government that were broken, simply because the government made promises it was unable to enforce. And the rest is history. You decide.

Appalachian Trail Deblazer
Appalachian Trail Deblazer

This is off point, but please go to this website and sign petition to arrest George Soros.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/issue-international-arrest-warrant-george-soros

Thank you.

PatrioTEA
PatrioTEA

And, thank you.

Vodka
Vodka

I stayed out of the dust-up on part one, but I’m with Llpoh on his ‘take’ on Jackson’s treatment of indigenous peoples (personal reasons). However, I’m all good with a new Trail of Tears if Trump wants to order it against the Muhammadans in the U.S.

Admin shows, once again, that he is one of the very few who will tackle any controversial subject head-on, detractors be damned. And the Andy Jackson comparison is spot-on.

No other website like TBP.

BananaCassandra

I read a book named “America Alone” a few years back. A Canadian author where his book was banned. It describes how Islam slowly creeps into laws and such. Sam Harris, the man who decimated batman on Bill Maher, also has a good book out on Islam. We need to be worried.

I liked part 2 better than part 1. I thought we were going down the path of how Trump was going to make America great again.

Brian
Brian

The pain is only going to get worse. The Federal reserve must be brought under control and the money creation powers returned to the Treasury.

The inflation chart above speaks a million words. The Federal Reserve system is the primary source of most of the problems in this nation.

Montefrio

Agree 100%! Whether or not Pres. Trump chooses to take them on, however, is a matter that I for one find doubtful at best. It’s too soon to say, but my guess is that he won’t and we’ll have to be content with whatever else he can accomplish in his first term, which I truly hope won’t be his only term. This is the most difficult issue he will face, if in fact he actually intends to face; I sadly confess to having my doubts.

josef zack
josef zack

I think your contrasting of what Jackson had to deal with against what President Trump has to deal with nowadays is just about perfect.

More is the pity.

I personally do not want to knopw that Pres. Trump was “true blue” from any sort of murder done to him. Lived through the national Coup de’Etat with Kennedy’s open air murder as a young teen. That was more than enough for one lifetime.

But essentially that will/would be the only way to know if :res. Trump IS ‘bonefied’

I pray for his good fortune ans well as the good fortune of America the Beautiful.

But then again, I was one of the very few who put some skin into the game, way back During the Cold War during the Vietnam War.

Surprisingly, now, at the occasional class reunion I attend, I am not surprised just how few of my generation did not do military service. Not all were draft dopdgers, but many eschewed military service if at all possible.

In my stupidity, I suppose, I regard this fact as not loving your own country enough to place your body between your country and those who would bad to your country. I know, simple minded and stupid. Perhaps even crazy.

I wish our new president well; I wish him great success, since I most humbly believe that his success will translate into America’s success.

I know. Silly me.

former Marine

catfish
catfish

America, like the Western World, is doomed. The parasite has become bigger that the host. It is too late. It is terminal cancer. We are past the point of no return. When the last hard working seedcorn has been fed to the pigs of the politico-bankster-shyster class and of the welfare-immigrant-chav class, then what will happen? Cannibalism – as sure as the sun rises in the East. It will make Ruanda and Burundi in the nineties look like a childrens’s playground squabble.

RiNS

I really hope you are wrong catfish but everyday passes the calamity comes closer with a certain inevitability. A train that can’t be stopped. The Left are showing true colors. They have made it quite clear that they will not negotiate which is clearly evident from recent events at Berkeley and NYU. Cast all they oppose on right as Nazis while using same tactics as the SA Brownshirts of 1930’s Germany.

An irony drawn straight from pages of Orwell’s 1984.

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“We are at war with Eastasia. We’ve always been at war with Eastasia.”

Hershel
Hershel

Can we have a trail of tears to 3 reservations for liberals? Cali, Chicago and NY would be good. It would take less than 10 years to become nothing but Muslims and Mexicans at war. The white kids will have all trans neutered themself to avoid having heteronornative priviledge.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D2KzAAOjaVQ

flash
flash

Here. A homeland for hopeless fools.

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lmorris
lmorris

you forgot OR, and WA

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

flashy, your willing to give California back to Mexico? How about Half of Texas, New Mexico and Arizona as well? Moron.

Don’t you know the Spaniards stole all that land from the Indians?

Stucky

Admin

If I understand correctly …. Trump, populist and man of the people, Jacksonian if not in character but certainly in goals and hopes for the nation …. will attempt to make America great again …. BUT for various reasons you stated so well, he will most likely fail .

It seems that the best we can hope for is maintaining the status quo … keeping the Titanic from sinking. Minor and mid-major changes coming. But the really Big Important Stuff? Ain’t gonna happen. The Deep State is too entrenched and powerful, even for The Donald. Right?

Super Brief Summary: We’re fucked!

Right?

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BTW, as everyone else with half a brain, I loved this article. You’re the only blogger I know whose next article is always better than the previous one! Not blowing smoke up your ass … it’s the truth. Don’t know how you do it.

Juanita de Talmas
Juanita de Talmas

“Trump…man of the people”

Hee hee. You can’t be serious. He’s never worked a real job in his life.

starfcker
starfcker

I tend to think this is going to turn out pretty good. Some guys are fighters. Trump seems fine with mixing it up with anybody. Netanyahu is a product of Philadelphia public schools, so he’s a brawler. Europe looks to get some tougher leadership this year. Good things can happen. May looks serious about brexit. If France elects LePen, events could accelerate. She looks ready to bust up the whole EU. Tough chick. Trump still doesn’t have all his people in place, that’s only temporary. He’s still hitting stuff pretty hard so far.

richard vajs
richard vajs

So you think that Netanyahu is one of the “good guys” – simple you. The Israelis besides stealing their native Palestinians blind are also moochers, who receive the lion’s share of our foreign aid. Foreign aid which we cannot afford and Israel doesn’t need – they just can’t resist something free. Israel is the main cause for Islamic terror which we have spent about a Trillion dollars fighting since 9-11. Congress has pending legislation forbidding making any connections between Israel and 9-11, which is necessary because…. In regards to the article, I believe that Jackson would have nothing to do with Netanyahu, while Trump buddies with the snake. So, Jackson who had all of Trump’s faults – at least had some sense.

starfcker
starfcker

Another anti-jew nutjob. Where do you people come from? It says “the meek shall inherit the earth.” Says nothing about the intellectually challenged. Ask yourself this, dumbass. Before Trump, who was the world leader most unwilling to kneel before Islam? Times up.

AWB

Who’s anti-jew? I’m anti-khazar. There’s a difference, look it up.

Chowderhead
Chowderhead

Quinn should have a one hour weekly show on national TV(reality hour).It could possibly help avoid a fourth turning or maybe just enlighten millions of confused Americans.

Fatty
Fatty

Fourth turnings can’t be avoided, maybe just the severity? That’s my understanding. Others will correct me.

flash
flash

What an enjoyable read admin. Thanks to you , I now place Jackson at the top of my list for best American president, evah! BTW, as I always say, if you can’t defend it you don’t own it and just as the Indians took the land from some primitive people before, so became their fate. Maybe the red asses should have spent more time studying science and technology instead of breeding and savagery, then they might have been better equipped to deal with the white mans’ superior military tactics and weaponry. BTW, it is indicative of a whiny immature milksop to hate a great man just because one might be related to some losers that progress replaced. Andre Jackson was great leader regardless the #muhredass butthurt.

lmorris
lmorris

right on

flash
flash

While I like and support the idea of eliminating the Fed, the major problem of bankster issued money cannot be solved that easily because credit is money and lots more volatile than mere paper currency.
Translation. Whichever way we turn, the sword of Damocles hangs.

lmorris
lmorris

we are pass point of return.

Montefrio

Please don’t succumb to such pessimism! The restoration of debt-free, non-interest-bearing currency is NOT an impossibility, difficult though it may be! Personally, I believe that NO politico-economic issue transcend this one in importance for the future of the US REPUBLIC. Unless and until the nation recovers monetary sovereignty, the USA and its citizens will be in large measure powerless against those whose primary purpose is to enfeoff if not enslave its citizens. This can be stopped, albeit with difficulty and sacrifice, but it must be done if the nation is ever to recover its position as an “exceptional” nation.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Throughout history, when a culture and its people are conquered by another one they either assimilate or die off.

The latter is what the Indians chose.

Interestingly, the Jews are the only people that seem to have avoided this.

Fatty
Fatty

The American Indians chose their fate? What by fighting?
Isint that how everything in human history is decided?

I think Canada was the most humane on the ” clash of cultures” thing.
The USA tried to kill all Indians,aussies tried to kill all aboriginals, English tried to kill …..well just about anyone that resisted English Imperialism.
Irish,Scottish,Boer, some of you guys fill in the blanks.
Randy

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Your a fucking moran, Anonymous. Dindn’t you read Koko’s comment about Zeitgeist?

Let’s see you explain how we can assimilate to the Muslim invaders or die off.

Really, you are a piece of work.

LLPOH has tried in vain, apparently, to educate you on Native American history s it arelates to and you come up with ‘they should have ducked’. Fuckhead.

Curtis W Miller
Curtis W Miller

The key differences between Jackson & Trump are the extent of the national debt, scale of government, and the difference between a 2nd and 4th Turning.

These all mitigate to the conclusion that Trump will be unable to finish the process he ran to achieve.

That doesn’t mean that he can’t make significant progress along those lines. Streamlining and eliminating regulations and bureaucracies that are dead weight or dead wood would serve us well. Achieving a level of global cooperation between the great powers would too.

Trump really is off to a good start. His undermining of the chokehold the MSM has corruptly executed for decades is a great service! The backstabbing RINOs are his biggest hurdle to overcome. For him to begin real work against the Deep State, he will need solid legislative support. If he continues to work well, he should receive reinforcements in the 2018 elections.

I fear he is going to have to drop the anvil of authority on these rioters. They deserve it, fully, but he will be broadly castigated in the MSM, and they still hold huge, though diminishing power.

Mongoose Jack
Mongoose Jack

Just wanna be on record with those above offering the high praise for the quality of work you turn out and the huge effort it must require. You are doing your part, sir.

Skinny
Skinny

Trump has maintained all along he isn’t touching entitlements, and that’s where the money is. As obscene as $20 trillion in stated debt is, it pales relative to the $200 trillion we really owe through unfunded entitlements. With baby boomers retiring and without a native born educated population to replace them, the economy has no option but to shrink. You can’t raise rates in a shrinking economy especially when you don’t have the money to make the higher interest payments, let alone the resultant increases in social security and medicare payments.
Compared to our current state of affairs, Jackson had it easy. Taxes were essentially consumption based through tariffs and were going to rise as the country grew. He had a rapidly growing native born population, immigrants who were better educated (or at least educated enough for an economy dominated by agriculture), and endless frontier to exploit. Most importantly he didn’t have an entitlement culture to deal with. The federal government basically followed the Constitution and was 100 years away from becoming our national sugar daddy.
Trump is the reaction to the symptoms, but I expect he won’t be the cure. At this point, I don’t believe there is a cure.

White Fang
White Fang

I agree with most of your comment except for the “the 200 trillion we really owe through unfunded entitlements.” Social Security was was in good shape until Congress started dumping all of our monthly payments into the “General Fund” deficit spending trough. The government has been issuing non-redeemable paper ever since. Had our payments been allowed to earn interest (remember those days?) instead of disappearing, or if our bloated, wasteful, ineffective military were not taking a hog’s share of our taxes we might really be an exceptionally good country.

B LEVER
B LEVER

But… but Skinny . Trump was sold to the great unwashed and uninformed as the outside the box Mr. Fixit who would kick ass and take names later. He was billed as “The Cure for Everything”.

What we got was one of those clowns that you turn the crank and he pops up out of the box AND a Goldman Sachs convention. The cure does not lie with the government (not to suggest we actually have one).

AWB

These aren’t unfunded entitlements, they’re obligations of the US Govt. Sure, some of the $200T may be entitlements, but they’re all obligations. Even if we repudiate the debt, and repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 et al, we still have these unfunded obligations. Making SS needs based on a dollar for dollar basis, would go a long way, and review all disability determinations. More than one doctor is on the take for faking diagnoses and getting paid to treat them. If you’re not an invalid, you can work.

RiNS

You’re wrong Bud. SCOTUS ruled on this way back in 1960.

Supreme Court Rules: Social Security is NOT a Binding Contract

Supreme Court Rules: Social Security is NOT a Binding Contract

AWB

I didn’t say it was a contract. I said they’re obligations. I also didn’t say they were entitlements.

Not all obligations are contracts, nor are they entitlements, however, contracts and entitlements ARE obligations.

The point is, it’s money the Feds are obligated to pay. I just read today, Trump has a $10T deficit baked into the budget over the next 10 years, or so.

Not looking good, by whatever you prefer to call it.

CCRider
CCRider

I have little patience for the Indian wailing that precludes an honest appraisal of Jackson’s record. Of course it was horrific seen through the prism of modern thought. But it should serve to remind us we’re all still crawling out of the primordial swamp. Don’t imagine future generations won’t look back at us and wonder how we could have been so stupid and heartless ourselves. For Christ sake’s we’re only now, after 5,000 years coming to realize we’ve been led by the nose like blind sheep by small cliques of hustlers throughout history.

BTW Jackson didn’t have the CIA to contend with. Anyone think they weren’t behind the Flynn lynching?

Francis Marion

I’m late to the party. Read both pieces. I think you missed your calling Jim. You should have been a history prof.

Skinny
Skinny

When he was at IKEA he taught fiction

TPC
TPC

Trump was a real vote for change from the “normals” in America, a shot across the bow reminding the elite that they are on thin ice. Not that it matters, they are doubling down on every low-life activity that defines their wonky culture. They think they want war because they disagree with a guy saying the word “pussy” in a private conversation 10 years ago. They think they are warriors because they post pictures with captions online lampooning a sect of people too busy and tired to bother doing much about it.

Trump was a Black Swan, an event so out of touch with what was expected that its ripples are still cascading through the world economy with unknown effects. Trump is in a battle with the established politicians, media elite, and educational leaders of this country. His policies will never be enacted. He will flail about ineffectively, growing increasingly frustrated as he is stonewalled at every turn politically, and degraded at all times by a hostile media.

This 4T needs another massive event, perhaps even another black swan to kick it into gear.

1. Economic Depression – Markets crash and bubbles burst
2. Martial Law – Facing increasing riots, Trump starts using the military
3. WW3 – Will the nukes fly?

I don’t know, I’m just spitballing. A fucking megavolcano would erupt and plunge us into a decades long winter for all I know.

As for Jackson and Trump, sure there are parallels, but the size of the fight they are embroiled in is miles apart. The corruption Trump faces is sophisticated and funded in ways that Jackson could never dream of. Threatening someone with physical violence worked in the 1800s, but will get you impeached in the modern era.

Both were political outcasts. One has been somewhat favored by conservative historians. Time will tell if the other is so remembered.

lmorris
lmorris

the people or most dumb as a rock, trump will try and me and a lot will hope he wins but we know it won’t happen. if you are in a dark alley with a knife and looking at 5 with a gun sorry you lose. i’m not going to believe good can come out of this. when they go after your wife, kids anything you say or do will be wrong.

mike
mike

Wow! Great articles. Is history trying to rhyme? 2T/4T cultural issues doesn’t allow it to repeat. From your analysis, it looks like the playbook for the next 8 years has already been written. Will, like battle plans, survive the first skirmish? Will the financial collapse results that are already ‘baked into the cake’ literally end govt as we know it? Will “Lucifer’s Hammer” become the “must-read” book of generation Z? Or perhaps “Dies the Fire”?

Unfriendly
Unfriendly

Really interesting comments on this thread. It’s amazing the perspectives that can be discussed when the Jew haters and Hitler lovers bite their tongues and STFU.

AWB

The jews are a footnote in history, but one might be able to make a connection between the khazar Rothschilds and the rise of Hitler. Jackson opposed the European banking cabal, the Rothschilds. It’s not a little surprising Jackson wasn’t assassinated, but as Admin posted, an attempt was made. Were the Rothschilds behind it? No doubt.

We are at the tail end of the Rothschild’s monetary system, the end of a super cycle. The actions we take, as a nation, will set the course of this country for generations. Whether we will be controlled by the bankers or whether we end the Fed, is a choice between individual freedom or a totalitarian police state. It is up to each person to make up their own mind which they choose. Either resist and fight, or submit and follow.

I fail to see the relevance of your comments about Jews and Hitler. Wrong century.

SSS

“Even though Jackson was a military hero, his eight year presidency was peaceful, with absolutely no armed conflict with any other countries. It seems men who have known the horrors of war tend to utilize the use of military force as a last resort.”
—-from the article

Another home run statement. Look at Ike, people. His eight-year presidency was originally defined by historians as “boring.” WTF is boring during the Cold War when a hostile Soviet Union and a radical Communist China were NOT engaged in a hot war despite the efforts of Congress to do otherwise? Ike didn’t respond to these overstated threats because they were ….. overstated. Duh.

In the meantime, shitbags like Woodrow Wilson and Lyndon Johnson, both of whom repeatedly PROMISED the American public to stay out of war, did just the opposite right after they were elected. They lied, and over 200,000 soldiers died.

P.S. Admin: knock off the use of the word “utilize.” The word is use!!!! Geez, you use a seven letter word to replace a three letter word. Utilize and utilized irritates me to no end. You sound like a government drone.

Your pal,
SSS

RiNS

Trump is looking more and more like a transitory figure in this turning. Things won’t get fixed until the entitlements are addressed. He might get us to crisis but somebody else is going to have to lead the world out.

Llpoh
Llpoh

People are saying Trump is off to a good start? Less than a month in, his national security advisor is dead in the water. His immigration executive order is dead in the water. His cabinet is not finalized. Thousands of appointee jobs remain unfilled. Etc. He cannot appeal to the Sepreme Court until his nominee gets sat, or he will be stymied. (His nominee is bad-mouthing him!). His advisors commit ethical breaches by promoting Ivanka goods, and he is doing the same. He allows himself to be filmed in private conversations. His administration is leaking news like a sieve. He is off playing golf, when he derided Obama for doing the same. His wife does not live at the White House (I understand reasons, but it is not a good look).

He is bumbling around at this point, and needs to get his shit in one sock ASAP.

Some say he will lose small hands but win the big pots. He needs to win all the hands and quit screwing around.

AWB

LL, sounds as if you should have run for POTUS. Trump is facing opposition from every side, and your superficial criticism is unwarranted. If Congress can’t get behind the administration, they can be voted out in 2 years. Or, if the people decide Trump is a con man, they can keep the establishment cronies in office. Either way, what you think Trump should or shouldn’t do is inconsequential.

llpoh
llpoh

AWB – keep those blinders on. Seems like Trump just lost another cabinet nominee. Yep, nominating all those billionaires is causing a bit of a hiccup. Pudzer just withdrew from the Labor Sec nomination.

Trump is not winning. He better kick it up a notch, as he is beginning to take body blows. He is looking like he is getting his ass kicked the last couple weeks.

Still no update on his immigration EO. I suspect he does not know whether to shit or go blind at the moment.

AWB

Haha, and I suspect you seriously underestimate Trump. That’s the difference between billionaires and the rest of us, they actually believe the crap they spew.

Congress are the ones not knowing where to shit. The railed against the ACA, and now decided they don’t want to own it, feckless POS that they are.

The immigration EO will stand, or they’ll issue another one. In the meantime, it’s a good thing you GOOD, chief. ICE is rounding up illegals. Here’s a good article about our neighbor and your kin to the south, http://www.thediplomad.com/2017/02/the-new-mexican-war.html

llpoh
llpoh

AWB – get your head out of Trump’s ass. ICE have not rounded up any more than they have been doing. It is just getting more press. The numbers are not up.

If Trump had any balls, he would tell ICE to start tossing ALL illegals out.

AWB

You have to pick your battles. But, there you go telling POTUS what you think he ought to do, again. You should pull your head out of your own ass.

B LEVER
B LEVER

Seems like just yesterday that Avalon was going to rallies and holding the TRUMP/PENCE rah, rah sign while Admin. chanted the “Drain The Swamp” mantra ………..Oh wait, that WAS just yesterday.

Three weeks in and now El Trumpo is a failure? How does the guy who was the savior/superstar become a major fuckup in just three short weeks?

Damn, sure makes the next three years, eleven months and one week seem rather bleak. WTF?

Llpoh
Llpoh

Re a comment from Montefrio earlier, here is a story re the Choctaw and the Irish famine, from the Irish Central. These are the very same heathen Indians who a scant fifteen years earlier had been killed in their thousands by Jackson (shit be upon his name forever). Admin, from good Irish stock, might think upon this when he considers Jackson. The Choctaw saw fit to try to help the Irish in their most desperate times.

“On March 23, 1847, the Indians of the Choctaw nation took up an amazing collection. They raised $170 for Irish Famine relief, an incredible sum at the time worth in the tens of thousands of dollars today.

They had an incredible history of deprivation themselves, forced off their lands in 1831 and made embark on a 500 mile trek to Oklahoma called “The Trail of Tears.” Ironically the man who forced them off their lands was Andrew Jackson, the son of Irish immigrants.

On September 27, 1830, the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek was signed. It represented one of the largest transfers of land that was signed between the U.S. Government and Native Americans without being instigated by warfare. By the treaty, the Choctaws signed away their remaining traditional homelands, opening them up for European-American settlement. The tribes were then sent on a forced march

As historian Edward O’Donnell wrote “Of the 21,000 Choctaws who started the journey, more than half perished from exposure, malnutrition, and disease. This despite the fact that during the War of 1812 the Choctaws had been allies of then-General Jackson in his campaign against the British in New Orleans.’

Now sixteen years later they met in their new tribal land and sent the money to a U.S. famine relief organization for Ireland. It was the most extraordinary gift of all to famine relief in Ireland. The Choctaws sent the money at the height of the Famine, “Black 47,” when close to a million Irish were starving to death.

Thanks to the work of Irish activists such as Don Mullan and Choctaw leader Gary White Deer the Choctaw gift has been recognized in Ireland.

In 1990, a number of Choctaw leaders took part in the first annual Famine walk at Doolough in Mayo recreating a desperate walk by locals to a local landlord in 1848.

In 1992 Irish commemoration leaders took part in the 500 mile trek from Oklahoma to Mississippi. The Choctaw made Ireland’s president Mary Robinson an honorary chief. They did the same for Don Mullan.

Even better, both groups became determined to help famine sufferers, mostly in Africa and the Third World, and have done so ever since.

The gift is remembered in Ireland. The plaque on Dublin’s Mansion House that honors the Choctaw contribution reads: “Their humanity calls us to remember the millions of human beings throughout our world today who die of hunger and hunger-related illness in a world of plenty.”

Montefrio

Again, thanks. One thing though: Jackson was Scots-Irish, not Irish. The Scots-Irish transplanted into Ulster thanks to Cromwell have to a great extent been viewed by the Irish as an occupying force and to this day in large measure there is little love lost between them.

llpoh
llpoh

So, Montefrio, you are saying it was the Scots part of him that was a bastard, not the Irish part? Interesting.

Llpoh
Llpoh

More articles on this.

A monument to the Choctaw famine relief in Cork: http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/irish-town-builds-memorial-to-thank-native-americans-who-helped-during-famine

http://www.celticclothing.com/mm5/irish-american/cc07-03-irish-famine.php

There are many articles on the web about this. Jackson plays poorly in them, of course, murdering savage that he was. I will forever beat that drum.

Zarathustra

Just imagine how pissed off Llpoh would be if it had been Jews, and not just Indians.

Zarathustra

SSS says:
February 13, 2017 at 7:47 pm

“Islam is a religion of hate and the only religion where their zealots kill in the name of their god. They do not assimilate into our society, learn our language, respect our Constitution or obey our laws. Sharia law is their only law.”
—-from the article

Bingo (except for learning our language). Zara will comment soon on Netanyahu and the evil Jews.
___________________________
SSS, this is completely beneath you. Do you really want to go there?

Llpoh
Llpoh

An interesting tidbit.

I do not know if Admin comes from blue-blood Irish aristocracy, but if not, it is entirely possible the Choctaw helped ensure the survival of his kin.

On the other hand, that bastard Jackson (Irish roots he had, ironic, no?) did all possible to eradicate my ancestors. If he had been a bit more successful, who knows, maybe Admin never would have been born.

The world is full of interesting happenstance.

SSS

“But, the mistreatment of Indians didn’t stop with Jackson. Each president afterwards through the 1880s had Indians killed and further relocated.”
—-Admin @ Llpoh

More history. President Ulysses Grant, who was elected in 1868 and genuinely disposed to finding a peaceful solution with American Indian tribes, adopted the “Peace Policy” in 1870. Grant tried mightily to stop the abject corruption in the Bureau of Indian Affairs by appointing Protestant ministers to head the various departments in that agency. Didn’t work. The men of cloth became just as corrupt as those they succeeded, and the Indians were shortchanged on food and supplies they were promised.

To make matters worse, after an 1868 peace treaty granting various Sioux and Northern Cheyenne virtual control of most of the land in the southwestern Dakota Territory, Lt/Col George Armstrong Custer led an expedition through that area in 1872. Guess what? Geologists discovered gold in what became known later as the town of Deadwood. The stampede of white prospectors was on, and the U.S. army was powerless, or didn’t even try, to stop them.

The Indians were once again outraged that a treaty was broken, and the attacks on settlers moving west skyrocketed. The Peace Policy collapsed completely after Little Big Horn in 1876 when Custer and 230 soldiers of the 7th Cav were subjected to “What goes around, comes around.”

Stucky

Hey Guys …. get a load of this! I’m going to copy and paste the exact words I just got from the attorney representing us;

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We just got the title binder. There are (3) three open mortgages.

1. Mortgage to New Century Mtg. Corp. dated 10/14/05 securing $355,000.00.

2. Mortgage to MERS As nominee for accredited Home Lenders Inc. dated 11/3/16 securing $425,000.00.

3. Mortgage to CitiFinancial Serviced dated 6/22/07 securing $20,956.08

Please advise as to the status of all 3 mortgages.

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WooHoo!!! We have $790,000 in mortgages!!!!!!! We’re more underwater than I imagined. Yeah, baby!!

Ummmmm, we have NEVER EVER had ANY dealings with New Century. They were a scumbag subprime lender and I don’t even think they’re in business anymore. So, how does one prove a negative?

Movers are coming this Friday to move stuff into the house.
Movers are coming on the 28th to move stuff into storage.
Looks like SuckMyAss Portfolio Servicing are gonna get nothing but shiny keys on the kitchen counter this March 1st.

llpoh
llpoh

Hey Stuck – any chance #2 is the new buyer? Maybe they have secured a loan for the purchase, and it has been lodged against the address?

If you are owed $75k, do not walk away from it. That is a lot of dosh, and worth fighting for. I know you are running out of time.

Stucky

Good question.

However, it’s impossible. The mortgage holder is New Century … a subprime douchebag criminal (literally) lender that went out of business in 2007.

Edit: Shit, you said #2. Don’t know what the fuck is going on with that. Fact is we DO have a $425k mortgage …. however it originated with BOA and they passed it to SPS. I have no fucken idea who “Home Lenders Inc” is. Also, the new buyers only need a $330k mortgage as they are putting down a big deposit.

Speaking of which … THEY are gonna get screwed also. They already spent thousands in; inspection, appraisal, architect, title search fees.

James the Wanderer

Stucky,
Demand to see the WET INK SIGNATURES on all three mortgages. If none exist, you don’t owe it; if one exists from a previous owner, (1) they owe it (2) your title insurance company owes it for not finding it LAST TIME or (3) nobody owes it, an estate of the previous owner (likely no longer existent) or their heirs owe it.
$75,000 is indeed worth fighting for, especially if they have no claim.

starfcker
starfcker

Don’t move. Eat the deposit if necessary. You’ve got a ton of stuff to sort out with your title company and your attorneys. In the meantime, stay put and don’t pay anybody. Stack that money away religiously. You may end up having all the same fights anyway, depending on if Jersey is a recourse state or not. Might as well live free while you figure it out. You really need to get into the records of your payment history. Something isn’t right at all. The new century mortgage seems to put you right about where you thought you were. Put on the brakes. Figure it out. It’s your money.

flash
flash
SSS

“SSS, this is completely beneath you. Do you really want to go there?”
—-Zara

Do I want to go where, Zara? My views on Muslims in America (not favorable), Islam (virulently not favorable), my views on Jews (favorable), or my views on Netanyahu (and David Ben Gurion and Golda Meir, also favorable)? Pick one or all. I’ll be glad to explain.

Zarathustra

SSS says:
February 15, 2017 at 7:42 pm

Do I want to go where, Zara? My views on Muslims in America (not favorable), Islam (virulently not favorable), my views on Jews (favorable), or my views on Netanyahu (and David Ben Gurion and Golda Meir, also favorable)? Pick one or all. I’ll be glad to explain.
___________________________

Okay, deal. I think you’re getting senile. Let’s not even go to more controversial topics such as Ben Gurion’s role in the JFK assassination, the USS Liberty or Mossad involvement in 9/11. Let’s just start with garden-variety recent history in which nobody who isn’t a completely brain-dead moron can deny:

1) Israel tried to interfere in that 2012 election. Benjamin Netanyahu tried to help Mitt Romney beat Obama. Sheldon Adelson even held a fundraiser in Jerusalem for Romney.

2) After Romney lost, Netanyahu came to Congress to tell the Congress to reject President Obama’s nuclear deal. That was an unprecedented interference of a foreign leader in our policy-making, enabled by the Israel lobby. Netanyahu got more standing ovations before the bought-and-paid-for mostly GoP audience than the amount of beers Quinn has squafed at the Shamrock during his entire life!

3) Chuck Schumer said he was torn between a Jewish interest and the American interest.

4) President Obama said that it would be an “abrogation” of his constitutional duty if he considered Israel’s interest ahead of the U.S. Obama was called an “anti-semite.”

Now I ask you, what the FUCK does Israel have to do you you to royally piss you off? Anything? Are you just so fucking braindead that they could give you a turd sandwich and you would thank them for their generosity and culinary expertise?

SSS

Let’s take your comments one by one, Zara.

1) “Sheldon Adelson even held a fundraiser in Jerusalem for Romney.” Fine. An American Jew and private citizen goes to Israel to raise money for an American Republican presidential candidate, who is a Mormon. And the issue is?

2) “After Romney lost, Netanyahu came to Congress to tell the Congress to reject President Obama’s nuclear deal (with Iran, which you omitted). That was an unprecedented interference of a foreign leader in our policy-making, enabled by the Israel lobby.” Yes, he did. Absolutely he did. Once again, what did you expect Netanyahu to discuss, the difficulty of raising tulips in the desert? Of course he tried to persuade Congress to reject a deal he thought threatened Israel’s SURVIVAL. How many times has Iran threatened to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth? A million? A billion? That wasn’t “interference in our policy making,” as you claim. It was the freedom of an INVITED foreign head of state to address the US Congress and freely speak his mind.

3) “Chuck Schumer said he was torn between a Jewish interest and the American interest.” Which only goes to show that Schumer is a very confused Jewish senator because the answer is: American interest!!!! 100%. No confusion required. I’m sure he was supported by the even more confused Jewish senators from California, Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein.

4) “President Obama said that it would be an abrogation of his constitutional duty if he considered Israel’s interest ahead of the U.S. Obama was called an anti-semite.” Well, Obama turned a multi-lateral treaty on Iran’s nuclear program into an agreement, thus illegally skipping the constitutional requirement of the advice and CONSENT of the US Senate. Which bothers you most? I go for Door #2.

Now I ask you, what the FUCK does Israel have to do you you to royally piss you off? Anything? (Yes, the attack on the USS Liberty and the recent closing of Schlomo and Vito’s restaurant here in Tucson.) Are you just so fucking braindead that they could give you a turd sandwich and you would thank them for their generosity and culinary expertise? (I’d much rather prefer a pastrami on rye with extra sauerkraut and dressing. Heh.)

Zarathustra

SSS says:
February 15, 2017 at 9:45 pm
Let’s take your comments one by one, Zara.

Once again, what did you expect Netanyahu to discuss, the difficulty of raising tulips in the desert? Of course he tried to persuade Congress to reject a deal he thought threatened Israel’s SURVIVAL. How many times has Iran threatened to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth? A million? A billion?
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Mmmmkay. I get it now. I see through your CIA dissemination. I am gullible, yes I am. But I will not consent to be trolled on this issue. Neup. Ain’t gonna happen. I see through your feeble attempt to provoke me. With my next post on this forum, I shall have my revenge.

anon
anon

Nice article. However, Trump is not Jackson. People will believe what they want to believe especially their version of “history.”

Would Jackson stack his government full of bankers? Would Jackson increase the national debt? Would Jackson bow down to a foreign nation? Would Jackson send troops/tanks/etc to Eastern Europe to pick a fight with Russia?

The answer to these questions for the historically challenged would be a resounding No.

Trump was the anyone but Hillary vote with a lot of anti-establishment/America first support.

He is not the savior people think he is. It is not make America great again. It is doing his very best to Make ISRAEL Great Again!

USA! USA! USA!

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