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Guest Post by Jonathan Roth
In a revealing interview, Neil Howe—the co-author of The Fourth Turning: What the Cycles of History Tell Us About America’s Next Rendezvous with Destiny—candidly discusses his perspective on Steve Bannon, President Donald Trump’s Chief Strategist and former head of the online news site Breitbart.
Bannon is a proponent of the theory that history generally moves in 80-year cycles, with each cycle ending in a crisis that destroys the old order and ushers in something new. It’s an idea proposed by Howe in The Fourth Turning.
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In widely reported remarks, Bannon believes the United States has had three “turnings”—the American Revolution, the Civil War, the Great Depression/World War II—and is now in the midst of another emanating from the 2008 Financial Crisis.
In an exclusive interview with RiskHedge’s Jonathan Roth, Howe confirms he knows Bannon and they have worked together on documentary film projects in the past. “I didn’t find anything sort of out of the ordinary about him politically,” relates Howe. “Like most other Americans, I didn’t know what alt-right was until I read about it in the media.”
Howe portrays an interesting portrait of the man now advising President Trump.
“I think the main thing people should understand about him, which I think maybe has not been portrayed in the media, is that he’s not so much a policy person or a person with fervent policy or political beliefs; he’s fundamentally a culture person. He has ascetic sensibilities. He’s really interested in sort of how socially and culturally Trump’s coalition hangs together,” says Howe. “I do think that Steve Bannon, along with a few other people on sort of the conservative side of the spectrum, took an interesting lesson from The Fourth Turning and that is our prediction that this era would see the successful merging of economic populism and cultural and social conservatism.”
In the wide-ranging interview, Howe also details his own views about the possibility of civil war in America by discussing the mood in the United States just prior to the Civil War in 1859–1860: “Right up to the end, no one really realistically thought that actual war would happen. It just seemed incredible.”
Listen to the full, informative interview with Mr. Howe above.
If half of the people get locked out of the political system and denied any input on the direction of our country and it’s policies -“ride in the back of the bus” as Obama put it- I see little options other than splitting up into different countries or civil war with one side totally destroyed and the other in control of the government. FWIW, splitting up would probably be by civil war too, not peaceful agreement.
I think the PTB are anticipating the potential for this which is why we are getting rulings of judicial agenda over law (Trump in the 9th) and obviously erroneous rulings like this from the 4th Circuit: http://www.guns.com/2017/02/22/court-stands-behind-marylands-assault-weapon-ban/
The push is on, this is the final phase and change is coming. Who will win and who will lose and will it be peaceful or devastatingly violent?
Your guess is as good as mine, but I personally see less chance of peaceful resolution to our division now than at any time in my lifetime.
Pray for our country, it needs it badly.
Civil War – not a chance.
Riots, looting, martial law = hell yeah.
Just called a Walmart 25 mi away to find out their 12 Ga Buckshot supply – will head there today/tomorrow.
No offense to anyone, but prayers are worthless; action resolves the issues.
Kokoda
http://www.bulkammo.com/bulk-12ga-ammo-12ga2-3-4buck00ans1200bk10nobelsport-250
JIMSKI….any idea what one box of 25 costs (approx) in a store? WalMart doesn’t list prices on-line and I do not have a gun store anywhere near me (the all left).
It has been a long time since I purchased anything firearm related.
$1/shell is about average for buckshot. If you can get it for $15/box, that’s a good deal.
I stocked up on 2 and 3/4″ with about 60 rounds. If I need any more than that, I’m in the wrong place.
try luckygunner.com
The thing I love about that load is it is a reduced recoil load at 1290 but is 12 pellets. 9 pellets is much more common. My KSG loves that round. I got 100 round shipped for $86
SGAmmo.com has 250 rounds of 12 gauge 00 Buck for somewhere around $100 plus shipping. Boxes of 25 priced accordingly. Works great in semi autos.
The Estate brand they carry seems to be decent 00 from what I’ve shot and it is certainly priced well enough. If you’re hunting with it, you may want to pay for one of the more premium brands.
FWIW, for close range use in defensive situations, #4 Buck is better and if inside the house where wall penetration could be a problem don’t overlook lead BB shot.
BTW, if prayers were worthless Jesus wouldn’t have prayed or suggested we do. He’s the one that would know.
#6 shot low brass to over penetration through dry wall. Any heavier load will penetrate 2 layers of drywall and potential cause unintended damage. Of course, in a SHTF situation, over penetration won’t be an issue.
That’s what SHE said.
Keep the Jew, Jesus OUT of this conversation! He’s NOT a savior and he’s NOT coming back! Just another Jew trick over 2,000 years old.
You can pray to Buddha, Allah, or the carpet below your feet and get the same result! There is NO God and NO Jesus to save either you or me. I wish this wasn’t so! I DO wish there was a Jesus or Superman or whomever to save us but science, logic and reason shows there is absolutely no God of any type.
People who are afraid to die (i.e. scared) HAVE to have something to give them HOPE. But look around. All the prayers from all the people around the world to whatever God they pray to are NEVER answered.
Tonight Venus shines bright. The ancients prayed to Venus, Jupiter and the Sun among over 100 other God’s. NO prayer by praying to another planet in our Solar System was ever answered. Of course they didn’t know they were just other planets with light from them being reflected as our star (the Sun) shown on them.
Therefore, plan on standing on your OWN two feet and as the Boy Scout’s say: “Be prepared” and FORGET religion. Be kind, clean, courteous, helpful and moral on your own. You DON’T need some religious figure to tell you how to live the right way. And, when the chips are down, be willing to stand up, fight and die like a MAN if necessary for HONEST beliefs.
George Carlin acheived excellent results with Joe Pesci. He said He answered Carlin’s prayers at about a 50/50 ratio, about what he got with God, but Pesci seemed like a Guy Who Could Get Things Done. He said he also worshipped the sun, since he could see the sun and it gave him heat and light, something a lot of other religions can’t claim, but he didn’t want to presume on their relationship, so he went to Joe with his wants…
God set the stars in the heavens far before man saw them. You don’t believe God, I get it. Are you prepared to make that decision for everyone? What if you’re wrong?
No one ever got hurt by a prayer. If I’m wrong, so be it. If you’re wrong, eh, not so much.
No one ever said pray, and that’s all you need to do. You’re missing the point if you think Anonymous was implying such. However, your spirit filled life should be the first item on your prep list. It’s not on yours, great, but why the animosity?
The Chinese are officially athiests, as well. It gives them blanket cover for a lot of human rights abuses. Personally, I like the moral compass which the Word of God provides. What’s your compass?
“Like most other Americans, I didn’t know what alt-right was until I read about it in the media.”
Is that the truth or is it a way of dodging a bullet? A guy that well read an informed should be ashamed to be so woefully unaware and then to place his trust for being informed on the media? I just don’t believe it.
All my heroes have feet of clay.
I think “alt-right” is a term invented by the mainstream media.
It wasn’t meant to legitimize it, or be complementary in any stretch of the imagination.
alt-right was just the new propaganda term to differentiate radical evil right-wingers from millennial radical evil right-wingers, who are traitors to their race/species/cohort/whatever, because how could a member of America’s Greatest Generation actually be conservative?
As a term, it’s the catch-all for non-traditional conservatives, like homos or blacks or young people. There’s no alt-left, that’s for sure. They’re all radical lunatics.
I never heard it before the last campaign.
Then I read the transcript of Richard Spencer’s speech at Texas A&M.
Imagine my surprise when I learned I was alt-right before it was even a term.
Note: “feet of clay?” None of us is perfect.
Mr. Bannon was singing the praises of 4T in the year 2000, he has positioned himself in ever higher points of power. The push will be toward WWIII…….the aftermath will be the unthinkable.
Have you got a link to the “singing praises” comments?
Being aware of and seeing the truth in a particular theory is a lot different than advocating for a thermonuclear war.
HF- You need only to google Steve Bannon and the fourth turning to get dozens of sources. Popular belief is that he (Bannon) is obsessed with that book and has dark plans.
I never mentioned thermonuclear war, you did. Here is one article of many:
http://www.businessinsider.com/book-steve-bannon-is-obsessed-with-the-fourth-turning-2017-2
EDIT: Just to remind you, Bannon guaranteed we would go to war with China in the not too distant future. Would you call a billion and a half ChiComs out to make this place a parking lot a walk in the park?
If those billion and a half chi-coms aren’t really good swimmers in full kit, I’m going to sleep soundly
I don’t think so. Maybe from McCain and his cohorts, maybe even Russia, but not from Trump and his people: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-raises-spectre-nuclear-holocaust-204533471.html
That would have been almost impossible to misunderstand for anyone with two eyeballs and a heartbeat, yet you did.
“If we have a good relationship with Russia, believe me, that’s a good thing. Not a bad thing.”
And from that you have him advocating for a thermonuclear war.
Sad.
No, I have him saying that he is opposed to it, in response to B saying there will be advocacy for it.
The article should make that clear, as well as my statement that pushing for war was not going to be coming from Trump and his people.
If that wasn’t clear, can you show me what language I used that suggested otherwise?
For my part…avoid war within and without.
Avoid it unless it is on one’s doorstep, then
one has a right to protect.
Let’s adopt the concept for Science, Economics, etc. Alt Scientist tell the truth: like CO2 is a lagging indicator of oceans warming and a leading indicator of lying government paid whores.
Howe definitely plays it safe but perhaps that is smart. After all, he is an academic, not a prophet. Why risk the disparagement of his work by political positioning and/or wrong predictions?
I did find his perspectives interesting, though.
Especially the possibility of Trump “drawing energy” from a financial crash.
Howe definitely plays it safe. He was the keynote at a conference I attended last year (an education conference, he has a book about Millennials out) and he definitely glossed over the more unsavory outcomes mentioned in 4T. He did vaguely reference that this generation would be faced with “tough challenges” but that could be interpreted quite benignly by people who hadn’t read his work.
I have said in the past that war wants us. No one in their right mind wants war, it’s a Catch 22 kind of thing. The geopolitics of everything now affects every corner of the world, we Americans may think we pull all the strings, we are mistaken. I haven’t any idea about what will happen, but as a student of history it either rhymes or repeats. Live your lives one day at a time and keep those you love close!
Funny, I posted the video of Neil Howe on Bannon here three weeks ago.
Moving on, here’s another discussion you should be aware is happening in America. Although, this time, the left is waking up and realizing what they may be up against. Their fault continues to be that they THINK they’re still the majority. They cannot conceive that they’re a vocal minority and the rest of the country has moved on while they have not.
https://medium.com/@IsaacSimpson/if-trump-is-impeached-it-might-be-the-end-of-america-b7a2243399b7#.5dducty5q
Trump hasn’t done anything to be impeached, a “high crimes and misdemeanors” sort of thing.
The standard is pretty high, Clinton managed to reach it by lying under oath along with other outrageous behavior in office but the Senate refused to convict him for it.
You’re doing great here, Anonymous. The only problem is that I keep getting you mixed up with some other posters here on this blog.
Regardless, the Isaac Simpson article that you linked above was excellent. Thanks for posting.
The climax of the Trump novella will be the attempt to impeach him. How will this not lead to some sort of civil uprising by his followers in the public and military?
Why is Trump playing the dictator role by continuing to have rallies after he is already President? Seems eerily similar to other times in recorded history…
Times like the Obama years?
What will be will be. Above all else, be armed. Make a list and check it twice. Make them afraid.
I read the Isaac Simpson article; the guy tries to think out of the box, but it only turns out that his box is a little bigger than most liberals’.
Farming strikes. OK, possibly; keep the crops and sell it to ourselves, maybe overseas, instead of American cities. Not really important.
Not one of the liberal commenters could imagine how rural America could exist without what the cities provide; none seem to think that rural farms could survive without American city markets, without banker’s loans from American bankers, without yaada yaada yaada.
They have no idea that rural America might have ideas that they haven’t; might have former military with tactical outlook that would use different tactics, methods or approaches that they haven’t already thought of.
This will be the shortest conflict ever; in four weeks most of one side will have starved to death. And who overseas will accept the blue cities’ petrodollars in exchange for real assets in the form of food? And all these arrangements will be set up overnight? And last long enough, in enough quantities to matter?
Their lack of imagination will be there undoing. Maybe I will write one of our “snapshot” articles for the Crunch….
Speaking of which, FM, where’s the next chapter?
Surviving is such an ambiguous word. I live in rural America and whilst it might be possible to survive -for a short time- the quality of that survival will be as Thomas Hobbes noted of life outside the collective hive “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.”
You’ve got guns and stockpiled ammo, you say? Do you also have a fortress built to stand a prolonged an organized siege of 60 thousand vibrant urban youth ? How about air support ? You’ll need it.
Historically cities have always been the centers of state power.Why? Because, that’s where all the people are . If you can’t defend it, you don’t own it. Might makes right.
Is the power of the urban horde sustainable ? Due to consumables and the knowledge and skill required to recreate civilization , probably not. But, by the time the inferno of hate has burnt itself out, what’s left to salvage will be sparse if not depleted.
Although a coming clash of cultures seems inevitable , it is not something anyone should imagine as desirable.
“Whatsoever therefore is consequent to a time of Warre, where every man is Enemy to every man; the same is consequent to the time, wherein men live without other security, than what their own strength, and their own invention shall furnish them withall. In such condition, there is no place for Industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain; and consequently no Culture of the Earth; no Navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by Sea; no commodious Building; no Instruments of moving, and removing such things as require much force; no Knowledge of the face of the Earth; no account of Time; no Arts; no Letters; no Society; and which is worst of all, continuall feare, and danger of violent death; And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short.”
Thomas Hobbes
“Becoming a modern society is about industrialization, urbanization, and rising levels of literacy, education, and wealth. The qualities that make a society Western, in contrast, are special: the classical legacy, Christianity, the separation of church and state, the rule of law, civil society.”
― Samuel P. Huntington
“In the emerging world of ethnic conflict and civilizational clash, Western belief in the universality of Western culture suffers three problems: it is false; it is immoral; and it is dangerous.”
“It is my hypothesis that the fundamental source of conflict in this new world will not be primarily ideological or primarily economic. The great divisions among humankind and the dominating source of conflict will be cultural. Nation-states will remain the most powerful actors in world affairs, but the principal conflicts of global politics will occur between nations and groups of different civilizations. The clash of civilizations will dominate global politics. The fault lines between civilizations will be the battle lines of the future.”
― Samuel P. Huntington
Trump needs to start holding rallies to mobilize the only allies he has – his voters. Listen to the people. They want to know what they can do in the face of the outrages they are seeing every day. If he is successful, Trump’s enemies might not want to kick over that hornet’s nest. Trump knows this.
I am tired of even engaging with the so called progressives. They are not interested in honest rational argument, they believe in double standards and deception all the way. If you live in a blue city, get yourself an exit strategy. The black, mexican and muslim gangs will pillage and plunder the white liberal baristas, waiters, students, paid professional protestors, teachers, professors and public servants in the cities because they told them its what they deserve.
I have some very old friends who go a long way back who fall for the msm hype about Trump and other nationalists. We respectfully avoid talking about politics to preserve the friendship. But I believe such people just like to appear progressive and on the side of being humane, only when their own lives are not threatened by the disastrous logical conclusion of those globalist policies yet. Those in the centre like that are going to need to choose a side. Many of us have been watching the rot for decades and theres a lot of us who have had more than enough and ready to take a stand. Dont underestimate the number of younger generation who hate the mess we have left them and have hard core conservative principles either. Carry me out feet first.
They don’t need a high crime or misdemeanors or proof. All they need is the votes. If they have the votes,Trump will be gone in a heartbeat. Don’t ever think those jerks in Washington would be honest brokers operating in good faith. Just breathing is enough for Chuck Schumer’s Democrats and a lot of RINOs.
He could expect little support from the republican Senate. McCain, lady Graham, Collins, Flakey Floyd, Little Marco, , Lamar Alexander, Corker, Croyen,, Burr,Tillis,Hatch,Lee, Portman, Cochoren, Sasse.Murcowski and quite likely Mush McConnel himself brings it very near the critical margen.
Overthecliff, they will never have the votes for impeachment. Trump has alligned himself with the deplorables, the military and the police, in other words, the folks with guns. If congress knows nothing else, they are acutely aware of that.
@anonymous – Sorry for being late to the party. I do a lot of competitive shooting and at 3 gun matches I see tons of Estate shotgun cartridges used. It is good stuff at a fair price. When fractions of a second make the difference between first place and middle of the pack any failures of ammo are not tolerated. Take this for what it is worth.
I’m going to commit blasphemy and come out of the closet.
I’m sick of hearing about the 4th turning. He is being feted like he was Jeremiah when the things he is predicting have been presented in a hundred different forms by many many people of a wide range of callings for decades and even centuries. There is not a shred of new information in the whole thing.
This mess can’t be salvaged either, much as I might like to hope. I think 95% of us on these type sites are as prepped as is practical for each of us to be given our particular situations and beyond praying I don’t see what there is to do except to push liberaldom back hard. They don’t respect anything else and we can’t expect fair weather conservatives to support us when it matters.
Fleabaggs, it’s not blasphemy, just not looking at it in the same context. The fourth turning isn’t a prediction, it’s an observation. The guys that wrote it simply pointed out, look at this cycle in the past, and doesn’t it kind of match up with where we are now. I’m not a doomer, but I still find the theory has a lot of merit, though I have different ideas about how it plays out than other posters. But it would be hard to say it’s not happening. Sonething is happening, and we are both observers and participants. My favorite saying, let’s see what happens.
I didn’t say its not happening. I said its not new information but is being treated like it was new.
Know your enemy, steal their tactics: Michael Moore on taking down Trump:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/do-these-10-things-and-trump-will-be-toast_us_58ac605ae4b07028b704264a
Thanks for posting that. I forced myself to read it all. Fascinating and disturbing at the same time. Knowing that there are people out there that will read that crap and not only agree with it, but take some action after reading iit was eye opening. I guess we need to take the same but opposite actions because we know we cannot count on the imbeciles we’ve elected to to actually represent us automatically.
I don’t expect to see many libtards jumping into action adopting Micheal Moore’s agenda. Most of them are too busy watching TV and too stoned to leave Mom’s basement for anything but another package of Chips Ahoy. The rest are too busy running around the ‘hood shooting at each other. All the points Moore lays out for them actually require them to DO something, and well, you know… Maybe we can talk Mom into doing that for us too.
Most are not only convinced that calling their representatives is going to do something, but they also are already planning to actively vote as many of them out as possible, replacing them with “progressives” who will stand up to Trump.
I cannot overstate this enough: LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER and that is becoming more clear every day. Not only do they believe that they’re the majority of people in the U.S., they believe that they’re morally superior. They will be active, they will try to vote in their candidates, they will pester and cajole and threaten anyone who disagrees with them.
And the media is on their side. The media IS the opposition party.
The movement Trump represents, that is trying to take back our country from the establishment and restore power to the people needs to stay on top of all this. Trump was a start, but we need to remain cognizant of the forces trying to take it away from us. The battle has only begun.
You are indeed brave to even look at that garbage site. I can almost smell the rotting maggot infested brains of the creatures who write that stuff. Stomach turning at a minimum. I cannot think of a term derisive enough to label Michael Moore with.
the “season” is upon US.
If you want to survive Civil War II, stay out of crowds – Thomas Chitum
THE WRATH OF THE AWAKENED SAXON
by Rudyard Kipling
It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late,
With long arrears to make good,
When the Saxon began to hate.
They were not easily moved,
They were icy — willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the Saxon began to hate.
Their voices were even and low.
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show
When the Saxon began to hate.
It was not preached to the crowd.
It was not taught by the state.
No man spoke it aloud
When the Saxon began to hate.
It was not suddently bred.
It will not swiftly abate.
Through the chilled years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the Saxon began to hate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqC3igHukZc
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/23/200-inauguration-day-protesters-indicted-rioting-charges/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Neil Howe wrote a piece yesterday for the Washington Post about Bannon and the Fourth Turning.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/where-did-steve-bannon-get-his-worldview-from-my-book/2017/02/24/16937f38-f84a-11e6-9845-576c69081518_story.html