Lavrov vs. McCain: Is Russia an Enemy?

Guest Post by Patrick J. Buchanan

The founding fathers of the Munich Security Conference, said John McCain, would be “be alarmed by the turning away from universal values and toward old ties of blood, and race, and sectarianism.”

McCain was followed by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov who called for a “post-West world order.” Russia has “immense potential” for that said Lavrov, “we’re open for that inasmuch as the U.S. is open.”

Now McCain is not wrong. Nationalism is an idea whose time has come again. Those “old ties of blood, and race, and sectarianism” do seem everywhere ascendant. But that is a reality we must recognize and deal with. Deploring it will not make it go away.

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But what are these “universal values” McCain is talking about?

Democracy? The free elections in India gave power to Hindu nationalists. In Palestine, Hamas. In Lebanon, Hezbollah. In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood, then overthrown in a military coup welcomed by the world’s oldest and greatest democracy. Have we forgotten it was a democratically elected government we helped to overthrow in Kiev?

Democracy is a bus you get off when it reaches your stop, says Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, autocrat of Ankara, a NATO ally.

Is freedom of religion a “universal value”?

Preach or proselytize for Christianity in much of the Islamic world and you are a candidate for martyrdom. Practice freedom of speech in Xi Jinping’s China and you can wind up in a cell.

As for the Western belief in the equality of all voluntary sexual relations, in some African and Muslim countries, homosexuals are beheaded and adulterers stoned to death.

In Nuristan Province in U.S.-liberated Afghanistan this month, an armed mob of 300 besieged a jail, shot three cops and dragged out an 18-year-old woman who had eloped with her lover to escape an arranged marriage. Beaten by relatives, the girl was shot by an older brother with a hunting rifle and by a younger brother with his AK-47.

Afghan family values.

Her lover was turned over to the husband. An “honor killing,” and, like suicide bombings, not uncommon in a world where many see such actions as commendable in the sight of Allah.

McCain calls himself an “unapologetic believer in the West” who refuses “to accept that our values are morally equivalent to those of our adversaries.”

Lavrov seemed to be saying this:

Reality requires us here in Munich to recognize that, in the new struggle for the world, Russia and the U.S. are natural allies not natural enemies. Though we may quarrel over Crimea and the Donbass, we are in the same boat. Either we sail together, or sink together.

Does the foreign minister not have a point?

Unlike the Cold War, Moscow does not command a world empire. Though a nuclear superpower still, she is a nation whose GDP is that of Spain and whose population of fewer than 150 million is shrinking. And Russia threatens no U.S. vital interest.

Where America is besieged by millions of illegal immigrants crossing from Mexico, Russia faces to her south 1.3 billion Chinese looking hungrily at resource-rich Siberia and Russia’s Far East.

The China that is pushing America and its allies out of the East and South China Seas is also building a new Silk Road through former Russian and Soviet provinces in Central Asia. With an estimated 16 million Muslims, Russia is threatened by the same terrorists, and is far closer to the Middle East, the source of Sunni terror.

Is Putin’s Russia an enemy, as McCain seems to believe?

Before we can answer that question, we need to know what the new world struggle is about, who the antagonists are, and what the threats are to us.

If we believe the struggle is for “global democracy” and “human rights,” then that may put Putin on the other side. But how then can we be allies of President el-Sissi of Egypt and Erdogan of Turkey, and the kings, emirs and sultans of Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait and Oman?

But if the new world struggle is about defending ourselves and our civilization, Russia would appear to be not only a natural ally, but a more critical and powerful one than that crowd in Kiev.

In August 1914, Europe plunged into a 50-month bloodbath over an assassinated archduke. In 1939, Britain and France declared war to keep Poland from having to give up a Prussian port, Danzig, taken from Germany under the duress of a starvation blockade in 1919 and in clear violation of Woodrow Wilson’s Fourteen Points and the Danzigers’ right of self-determination. In the two wars, 50 million to 100 million died.

Today, the United States is confronting Russia, a huge and natural ally, over a peninsula that had belonged to her since the 18th century and is 5,000 miles from the United States.

“We have immense potential that has yet to be tapped into,” volunteered Lavrov. But to deal, we must have “mutual respect.”

Hopefully, President Trump will sound out the Russians, and tune out the Beltway hawks.

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Fergus
Fergus

McCain is an idiot, but to embrace the Russians as friends I’d have to be as dull as McCain.

flash
flash

What part of the “enemy of my enemy is my friend” do you not understand fucktard?

Ed
Ed

Nobody has to embrace anybody. Everybody should stop trying to stab anybody else, though. Wouldn’t that work, Fergus?

flash
flash

One big happy pizza party…
I’ll just leave this here.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1680848

Wikileaks Close Hillary Clinton friend Lynn Forester de Rothschild (Economist publisher) is a trustee of the Saudi funded John McCain Institute. (twitter.com)

Establishes direct link between Lynn Rothschild, HRC, Saudi Pedos and McCain, 4 enemies of USA. Saudi Sheiks receive child brides from HRC-Patraeus child trafficking ratlines in return for donations to Clinton and McCain Foundations. BAMM!

Anon
Anon

John McCain is a member of the famous “Keating Five”. That is the most publicized example of grift by this asshat. McWar has no ally’s and does not give a damn about ANY of the “values” he espouses. He cares about his own enrichment. That is it. He will say ANYTHING to further that end. He has no agenda outside of his own. Anyone attempting to read anything more from him than that is exercising mental masturbation. I used to work with people like him all the time. Others would attempt to try and “figure them out”. They would always fall short. I had no trouble navigating them. They are all about themselves. Period. Nothing complicated. If you keep that as their “agenda” it all makes sense.

“Democracy is a bus you get off when it reaches your stop, says Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, autocrat of Ankara, a NATO ally” – this is the current liberal mantra. Not surprised in the slightest that the PTB embrace him as an ally. Erdogan just condensed the entire manifesto of the liberal / globalist agenda in one sentence.

Pete
Pete

Friend or foe, how do we benefit from being able to launch a few thousand nukes into an area directly upwind of ourselves ? Whether ‘ourselves’ is Russian, British, or American its the same question.

Ed
Ed

Good point. Nobody benefits from nuclear war, so maybe the ones wanting to use it as a threat are the very ones who shouldn’t be allowed any position in government.

Zarathustra

I’d rather have Putin as President than any of crop of assholes that have had the job in the US since Carter. Come to think of it, I think I’d rather have most Russians as countrymen too. The women are certainly hotter.

Butthurt SJW Slayer
Butthurt SJW Slayer

“The women are certainly hotter.” Russian women & men have led lives filled with deep deprivations. Americans are so spoiled because like ‘only children’ they have never felt the sting of empty bellies or life without decent shoes. WWII made a deep impression on their national psyche.

In the south, the hatred of government is very real. Like the Russians southerners understand the evil vileness of government since reconstruction (really carpetbagger rape).

It is great to be free to bitch and moan your life away at college, but when the snowflakes finally come face to face with reality, they will blow their brains out or change into something they wouldn’t recognize today.

Hardship has its rewards.

Suzanna
Suzanna

only for a few years of beauty or the privileged few…
Russian women will knock you down.

kokoda - the most deplorable
kokoda - the most deplorable

Zara…….I’d rather have Reagan and Trump before Putin. And JFK, and Eisenhower.

Zarathustra

kokoda – the most deplorable says:
February 28, 2017 at 9:04 am
Zara…….I’d rather have Reagan and Trump before Putin. And JFK, and Eisenhower.
______________________
So far Trump has been a fucking joke. He doesn’t even know enough to be dangerous.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

We don’t know that yet. The things he campaigned on are in direct opposition to the Uniparty. Neoconish statements by Nicki Haley and Sean Spicer about Russia giving back Crimea could be a sign of administration cognitive dissonance or could be tactical rhetoric to allow Trump to get his nominees confirmed and allow Trump to survive (both literally and figuratively) CIA meddling. As Stephen F Cohen said “Trump speaks elliptically”. Time will tell, but we haven’t seen him shoot down Russians in a newly-implement “no fly zone” over Syria – as Rodham-Clinton promised.

B LEVER
B LEVER

Iska- I looked up Trumpian lapdog moron and your picture was next to the definition.

kokoda - the most deplorable
kokoda - the most deplorable

B LEVER……………….pretty low personal attack; my you are a petty individual.

CCRider
CCRider

And one feeble-assed put down. Clearly not up to TBP standards.

B Lever
B Lever

KoKo- Did you read his post? He blames everyone BUT Trump for the demand to give back Crimea and Haley’s actions regarding the Ukraine. Leaving Trump out of the picture and using the word (neoconish) ……….I called it like I see it.

If you have a problem with that , tough. Maybe I should go back and see if your picture is there bud.

kokoda - the most deplorable
kokoda - the most deplorable

Iska…..good insight on the tactical rhetoric to allow Trump to get his nominees confirmed. I also think it could just be a Trump ‘negotiation’ tactic. Aim high, and wind up getting a good deal that is a win-win for everybody.

Nobody with any grey matter would expect Putin to give up Crimea.

Suzanna
Suzanna

Crimea? An argument that is based in total ignorance.
Crimea belongs to Russia, they paid rent for use after
“liberation,” and didn’t the people just vote to return to Russia?
I am not that smart (darn) but I see plenty behind me on the
good old bell curve. Common core is winning.

B Lever
B Lever

Good Lord KoKo- You just took the lapdog moron award away from Iska. You and Iska are now in the running for the “Apologist of the Year Award”.

Butthurt SJW Slayer
Butthurt SJW Slayer

Pay attention to acts, not rhetoric. The anti-Russia remarks by admin officials are meant to tamp down neocon schizophrenic incantations. It’s just smoke screen. Trump is well aware that Putin is on the side of sanity, opposite the uniparty.

I believe you will see, once all the dust settles, that Trump, Putin, Le Pen, Orban, Wilders and other sane leaders are reshaping the world to be pro-human instead of the jewish crap that’s going on now. (The jews are anti-human, pro-satan and they are in control.)

CCRider
CCRider

So McShitstain (I love using that moniker) just got a $1mil “donation” from the Saudi’s for peace in the Mideast? Christ, who’s dumb enough to swallow that?

http://www.12news.com/news/politics/mccain-cuts-off-questions-about-saudi-donation/114870450

Zarathustra

A little pop quiz. You think the US and Russia can never be friends? Ask yourself which would be the better ally…

Russia or France
Russia or Mexico
Russia or Turkey
Russia or Saudi Arabia
Russia or Israel
Russia or Germany
Russia or Ukraine
Russia or Estonia
Russia or India

Ed
Ed

Russia or South Carolina
Russia or Virginia
Russia or Alabama

Anonymous
Anonymous

Russia is an “enemy” because of NATO.

We need to get out of NATO.

marblenecltr

Most people don’t realize it, but, throughout our history, Russia has been an ally. Russian ships protected us in the Revolutionary War, and the assistance from that country under Czarina Catherine the Great and from France and Poland against George III made our revolution successful. The global empire building, colony lusting royals of England have hated Russia ever since. Add that to England’s continuing policy of breaking up threatening alliances of nations including those like Russia and allies, and we have the United Kingdom angry to this day. Attacks against the United States by England, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom? The Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, our Civil War, WW I, WW II, and throw in Constitution shredding through imposition of the “Federal Reserve” system for starters, added to their view of us as a nation of people too stupid to notice what is being done to us, and we have reason to question their friendship. Compare that with the assistance given us by Russia through most of those conflicts and the suffering it cost them, and then reexamine our relationship with a country that wants the return of its colonies, especially the United States, in order to make England great again. What will you see?

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