Dancing With Clovers

Guest Post by Eric Peters

The other day, I bathed in the solar flare fury of a Clover affronted.

Luckily, I had my radiation suit on.

I was coming home from downtown, via a gravel road that dumps you out onto a paved one. Neither is much-travelled. Most of the time, you’ll be the only car on this particular road.

At the stop sign where the gravel road ends and the paved road begins, I did not entirely stop – but instead merely slowed – and the rolled on. Because – other than there being a sign – there seemed to me to be no reason to stop.

I like to have reasons for things. Reasons other than – it’s the law!

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A look to the left and then to the right as I approached the T established that no cross traffic was imminent. Plenty of sight distance in both directions. No possibility of two objects attempting to occupy the same space at the same time.

And so, I rolled.

This triggered the solar flare from the Clover who was standing in his yard nearby. He waved his arms at me in angry exasperation at my failure to genuflect before his totem. I could not hear what he  was yelling at me over the V8 symphony of the Mercedes AMG GLE 63 (review here) I  happened to be driving – no doubt compounding the Clover’s fury – but I am guessing it had to do with my being a “scofflaw.”

Well, yeah. I pride myself on this.

I scoff at laws. Why not? Shouldn’t everyone?

Isn’t that the obligation of a thinking human being? As opposed to an animal conditioned – through fear of punishment – to mindlessly obey?

At least, maybe question the law?

And if you can’t come up with a better reason to obey than well, it’s the law . . .maybe you ought to do some more questioning.

Some laws stand pat on their obvious – their self-evident – moral validity. And oddly enough, these laws don’t even need to be codified. Much less justified on the basis of their being codified. Everyone – except the psychopathic among us – understands that it’s wrong to kill and also to steal. Most of us would refrain from doing these things even if there were no codified laws forbidding them.

Including “scofflaws” such as myself.

That is an interesting point, when you stop to think about it for a minute.

Or rather, it is a point of difference. A really important one.

What made the body heaps and ovens of Nazi Germany not only possible but inevitable? It wasn’t merely race hatred. No. It was The Law – and a population conditioned to animal-like devotion to The Law. To what is written – and which by dint of being written is sacred, must be obeyed.

Eichmann explained this at his trail in Israel.

He was given lawful orders to organize first the rounding up and ghetto-izing of Europe’s Jews, then their systematic physical destruction.

And he followed those orders.

What he did was not personal – even though it is likely he enjoyed the work. The relevant point is that it was legal. Eichmann and all the rest of them were technocratic-bureaucratic automata who lacked the capacity to scoff at any law.

Something like the Holocaust is not possible in a society that is healthy enough to scoff at laws. That still has enough people in it willing to say hey, wait a minute… that seems pretty ridiculous.

One in which it is considered laudable to disregard stupid laws.

American used to be healthy like that, but no longer is.

Which brings me back to the Clover I encountered. He would have made a very Good German. It did not matter to him that my slowing-rather-than-stopping harmed no one and (even more importantly) couldn’t have harmed anyone – not unless other cars had acquired Klingon cloaking technology and in that event, a full stop wouldn’t have prevented my pulling out into the path of one.

What drove the Clover’s conniption fit wasn’t a moral outrage. It was the jangling of his doggy-like devotion to The Law, which must always be obeyed. If it had been in his power to have had me arrested, I am certain he would have done so. I am grateful that the Mercedes was swift and my foot heavy; I gave him no opportunity to get a clear sail fawn shot of its license plate and by the time he was on the 911 line to narc me out, it was already to late to “get” me.

But the experience – and others like it – makes me uneasy.

They say – some of them do – that it can’t happen here. But they’re wrong.

Hell, in more than a few ways, it already is happening. And worse is yet to come, you betcha. Unless Americans recover their former capacity to scoff at the law.

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Alter Boyz
Alter Boyz

So, Peters – You’re above-the-law ?

Nice to know.

xrugger

Did you hear that whooshing sound Alter? That’s the point of the story going over your pyramid-shaped little head.

Twit

PatrioTEA
PatrioTEA

Just like all Lib-Prog Damnocrats. Flaunting some laws lead to flaunting all.
And, don’t blame the Holocaust on just following the law. That is a straw-man if ever there was.

Ed
Ed

Get the hose. Teatard and Altercooze are hung up again.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus

Stupid or immoral laws can and should be disobeyed. Is that so hard to understand?

Eric

What is it with this doggy devotion to The Law? If it makes sense, if it’s morally right to do (or not do) something… that’s human judgment in action. But mindless worship of The Law…. because it’s The Law?

I will never grok that.

Eric

Do you always obey the speed limit, to the letter?

pizzedoff
pizzedoff

Don’t you know on any given day “The average LAW ABIDING American commits three Felonies”?

John Baker, a retired Louisiana State University law professor, made a similar comment to the Wall Street Journal: “There is no one in the United States over the age of 18 who cannot be indicted for some federal crime. … That is not an exaggeration.”

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2014/11/04/david-barton-explains-how-you-could-be-committing-three-felonies-a-day/

Trapped in Portlandia
Trapped in Portlandia

I must say, I drive like Eric. I never come to a complete stop at a stop sign, unless an officer of the law is in the neighborhood, or I need to due to heavy traffic. Speed limits on roads where I have never seen a police car are merely interesting signs with numbers on them. And double yellow lines on roads where I can see a 1/2 mile ahead and the driver in front of me is going 30 mph slower then me are merely suggestions that I ignore.

This makes my driving much more pleasant and enjoyable, while threatening no one else on the road except the clovers.

But the day is coming when we will all have chips in our car that will keep track of our activities. You go over the speed limit, a ticket comes in the mail. You drive over a double yellow line, $200 deducted automatically from your checking account. You have more than three violations in a year and your car doesn’t work anymore.

Ah, the wonders of technology combined with the need for government to control all things.

Card802
Card802

Four way stops are one of my pet peeves. I get it if no one else is in sight, roll on through, but, if rolling through becomes a habit, then?

Like today at the four way stop I take every day. I roll up to stop, a car came up behind me on my right, she slid by me to turn right, right in front of the guy who had the right of way that was in the process of turning left.
While the guy with the right of way stopped to let the dipshit to my right clear out of his way a car slid to a stop into the intersection to my left. I had the right of way before he did, but he had a clear shot to squeeze in front of me so off he went.
All was fine until we get to the stop light by the Speedway gas station, where shitforbrains always attempt to cross two lanes going west, a left turn lane and two lanes going east.
They do this rather than go out the west exit to the stop light and wait to turn. The traffic light turns green, assholecocksucker who jumped in front of me sat there waving a shitforbrains to cross in front of him, but he held because of crossing traffic.
Shitforbrains then cut in front of traffic going both ways, assholecocksucker made it through the light, I of course, got caught at the light where I watched a woman in an escalade throw garbage out her window.
I hate people.

javelin
javelin

Do you live in Maryland or DC?

lmorris
lmorris

yes me too.

A. R. Wasem
A. R. Wasem

Probably an asshole in a pickup.

Anonymous
Anonymous

So you violated the law, got caught doing it by someone and they pointed it out to you.

Now you’re mad about it.

F\Go fuck yourself, your kind are the ones that make the roads dangerous and insurance rates high.

Hope it’s a cop and you get a ticket next time.

xrugger

Again…whooshing sound….pointy head…etc…etc.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus

Mindless tool speaks…

Eric

I wasn’t caught. Someone observed me fail to mindlessly obey a metal sign.

Speaking of metal… I haven’t bent any in decades. No claims, nothing. So how, exactly, am I causing your insurance rates to skyrocket?

Wouldn’t it be nice of we weren’t forced to buy insurance?

digitalpennmedia
digitalpennmedia

Sure one can scoff at laws…but when someone kicks the S**t out of this scoff law, in his pretentious b.s. mercedes made in china… I am also going to scoff it off.
Sometimes one does thing simply out a courtesy to others as it is possible that that man may have had children or grand children playing in the yard…or any number of possibilities. A-holes like this author are why we have experienced the decline of civilization. Laws are put into place because there is no common decency or courtesy anymore.

xrugger

Once more…whoosh

IndenturedServant

I’m starting to think that whooshing sound is due to an extra hole in your head (where your brain cell (singular) leaked out) that the wind blows through.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus

Explain to me why anyone should stop at a stop sign, rather than rolling, when there is no traffic. As Lord Coke wrote, four centuries ago, when the reason for a rule ceases to exist, so does the rule.

starfcker
starfcker

Thank you, IS

Eric

Sigh.

The reflexive “kick my ass” Clover. You tell us much about your violent mindset. I harm no one – but you itch to harm people who’ve not harmed anyone.

Think about it.

QuantumSeizing
QuantumSeizing

It is often tempting to just keep rolling but you know what they say about character and nobody looking. Who is worse, the person blindly following an immoral law or the person breaking an ethical one? If you don’t like a law do the hard work to get it changed rather than taking the lazy path justified by self-righteousness.

If that were not enough for you, there is always someone looking and I don’t mean big brother. I mean a kid, for example, looking at an expensive car blowing through that stop sign. That kid likely lacks the experience to think anything other than “Wow, that dude is cool. I want to be like that some day.”

Are you responsible for what that kid does? No, not directly, but, as an adult you are responsible for modeling responsible behavior because you don’t want that kid to blow through the stop sign in your neighborhood and hit your kid who was innocently playing in the yard.

Ed
Ed

Oh, indeed because everyone knows that if you roll through a stop sign, you’ll roll right into someone’s yard where their kids are playing. You fucking mongoloid.

Jason Calley
Jason Calley

Let me see if I understand this… We have a societal and moral obligation to obey the law even when it is not convenient or necessary for public safety, if no other reason than as an example to the children.

The highest law of the land is the US Constitution, and the Second Amendment says that the right of the people to keep and carry arms “shall not be infringed”. When I obey local or federal laws on ownership and open carry of firearms, (legislation that is actually illegal) I am supporting unlawful actions by police and politicians. As a citizen who has to obey the law (even if inconvenient and not necessary for public safety), I have a duty to open carry and to not follow the illegal mandates of criminals who would have me violate the Constitution — otherwise I will be a bad example to the children. Of course it would be more convenient if I followed the illegal orders of the local gendarmes, but that would be wrong… right?

Eric

I would never encourage a kid to be a mindless automata who Just Obeys.

Does anyone read what I write?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Eric.
Their attention span isn’t long enough to read past the “Trigger” they need to get in a snit. Moral Outrage is a drug found in the Self Pity class of downer drugs. They allow one to get into a good gut wrenching WALLOW.

KaD
IndenturedServant

Gotta love it when the snowflakes get rewarded for their dumbassery.

gammer
gammer

That’s the same thing the left is saying about illegal immigration. In fact they go so far as to say that it is a human right to immigrate wherever you want, that no human is illegal, etc. I agree you are in the middle of no where, can easily see safety is not an issue and roll through a sign that really is not needed, but there has to be a limit that this does not apply….where is it? stealing, rape, when someone else is hurt? how many need to be hurt, what’s the population limit on taking in immigrants to the USA, 500 million, 1 billion, 2 billion, before we call for a moratorium? we are already at the edge of some of our resources and importing food so we are no longer self sufficient. We are already in debt, and cannot afford to take care of others as we cannot even take care of ourselves!

Eric

Oh please.

To equate rolling through a stop sign out in the middle of nowhere when it is clearly safe to do it with theft, rape… seriously?

Do you also obey the speed limit to the letter? If not, why?

It’s also – and just as much – The Law.

IndenturedServant

Maybe the dude was trying to flag you down because he just cut down a tree that fell on his wife or kid and he needed immediate help?

The reason the stop sign exists is so that other drivers navigating the cross street can do so at speed (assuming they don’t have a stop sign) and not worry about tube steaks like Peter’s pulling out in front of them unexpectedly.

One day I hope to be godlike so I don’t have to wonder why stop signs exist or wonder why people are flagging me down.

BL
BL

I/S
You have a cure up in the great NW for woodpeckers? There is one little SOB drilling holes in my house and a giant woodpecker tearing up the bottom of my tree.

xrugger

Spray the areas he’s working on with Lysol. Supposed to work…or you could shotgun the little peckerhead.

IndenturedServant

Firearms!

Get out your favorite bb gun and practice, practice, practice.

For the house you could temporarily put up a piece of sheet metal in the area the peckerhead has chosen and see if that inspires him to move on. Chances are the one that is going after your tree is doing for food but it is the time of year for amore so he might just be horny and building a woodpecker McMansion to impress the babes.

RiNS

Cover with metal might make things worse. We have problem around here with them. Near our house are a couple of trees long dead and full of bugs and worms. Anyways the fuckers go to trees for lunch and hammer on metal sign for mates. Getting tail for a woodpecker is hard on the head cause it seems they need to make a racket to get laid.

BL
BL

I/S

Thanks, I already thought of the BB gun plan, thing is the only BB gun I have looks like .357 magnum and it upsets the snowflakes up here in the burbs. Down at the doomstead I would just blow the little bastards to smitherines.

The smaller bird has drilled a hole in the top and the bottom of one of my columns, fucker. I dumped two boxes of moth balls inside the column to keep him from setting up house keeping, now he’s moved to the other side of the house.

I will try the Lysol spray that xrugger suggested and the metal cover to see what happens. After that, they will get a case of lead poisoning.

Rdawg
Rdawg

A .22 rifle loaded with shotshells will work very well and won’t do any real damage to your structure. They’re quiet too; sounds like a pellet gun. I shoot rats in my chicken yard all the time here in the ‘burbs, and nobody is the wiser.

http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=3&loadNo=0039

BL
BL

Dang Dawg, you have rats in your chicken yard? I hate rats worse than any other varmint. (Except for liberals and Demoncrats)

Rdawg
Rdawg

Sadly yes. I hate ’em too, but love to shoot ’em.

Last summer I bagged a huge one that was 9″ long in the body!

PatrioTEA
PatrioTEA

Careful, the peckers may be a Lib-Prog protected species.

Eric

Does anyone read?

The way was obviously clear, both ways, for several hundred yards…. on a road I know well, that has literally almost no traffic, ever.

Slowing and looking is always the right thing to do. Stopping completely is often not necessary and so I don’t.

Why should I?

Ed
Ed

I’d be willing to bet that most drivers have certain intersections on their daily commute like the one described in the article, where the road is visible in both directions for a long enough distance that it’s easy to see whether there’s any traffic before you even get to the stop sign.

In my area, there are two, both T intersections with a clear view both ways where I can decide before getting to the stop sign whether or not a stop is necessary. I’d bet also that most drivers will roll through such intersections without stopping when it’s obviously safe to do so.

Some people skim an article and jump to the comment section to make a virtue signaling comment. I’ve noticed that happens a lot on your articles, Eric. There’s always the standard observation that “the law is the law”, to which the proper response is to quote George Mason’s response to that kind of statement: “and what if the law is an ass, sir?”.

Alter Boyz
Alter Boyz

As a very satisfied Mercedes-Benz owner, I think it’s time I personally communicate with the appropriate factory representatives so they may learn from a current customer who they have driving and reviewing their new vehicles, and my disapproval of their driving habits while in those vehicles.

Time for a strong letter to New Jersey and a telephone call to Atlanta.

In the Morning.

First Thing.

Ed
Ed

FOAD, altercooze. You’d like to see a man lose his livelihood because you think he’s wrong about something he wrote. You really should fuck off out of here like the site owner told you to do the first time you posted one of your little dickhead comments.

TJF
TJF

I tend to agree with some of Eric’s posts on driving, but not this one. Rolling through stop signs becomes a habit that ends up with you rolling out in front of oncoming traffic. There is an intersection a few miles from my house that is one of entrances/exits from a gated community. Those bastards pretty much all think STOP means slow down and roll on out. The main road is two lanes in each direction with a grass median and these people roll right out and then usually accelerate like a turtle on qualudes. Sometimes they pull out into the left lane. Sometimes into the right lane. Sometimes they pull out into the left lane then when they see a car quickly approaching in their mirrors they move to the right and thus cause me to swerve to avoid them.

Eric

Does anyone read?

The way was obviously clear, both ways, for several hundred yards…. on a road I know well, that has literally almost no traffic, ever.

Slowing and looking is always the right thing to do. Stopping completely is often not necessary and so I don’t.

Why should I?

A. R. Wasem
A. R. Wasem

No one reads – and in this crowd that’s a really sad commentary.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

All of you liberal pussies and jerkwads can PISS OFF.
There were no GrandChildren or any other forms of life. Did you read what he said or just find your Snowflake Trigger Word that sent you into a hissy fit.
What are you even doing on this site unless you work for Soros.

AnonyMousey you make me sick. You’re a bigger Neocon Pussy than your lover LLpoh.
How did he make your rates go up?
Hope it’s a cop next time and you get a ticket??? Are you still in the 4th grade?

Llpoh
Llpoh

Nutbag – why the fuck would you mention me in this? Dickwads like you are why I post less and less. You do not have the intelligence God gave a gnat, you know nothing of me or of my long association with this site, and I have little interest these days in kicking shit out of you, given your general worthlessness. Hell, a pile of shit is smarter than you.

Here is the thing – some folks still believe “law-abiding citizen” is something that is good for society. Hell, I sure as hell do. Fine, upstanding, law-abiding citizens are good things. The problem is not them – the problem is the fucking pieces of shit making and implementing the laws have over-stepped. Way over-stepped. Too many ridiculous laws result in a lawless society.

Denigrating people who believe in being law-abiding citizens is horseshit.

The issue is there are too many laws. When laws become “optional”, then law-abiding societies can no longer exist.

And a great many believe laws are optional. Not just traffic laws are being ignored. Laws re theft, assault, rape, murder, corruption, etc., are being ignored and are considered optional.

There should be vastly fewer laws. Hell, 99% or more fewer would be a good start. But society needs to demand that its citizens do not consider them optional. What kind of society is it when law-abiding citizens get derided for being law abiding? That is some fucked up shit right there.

IndenturedServant

Absotively! The main reason we have so many (overlapping) laws is that the majority of the population is too stupid or willfully ignorant of the dangers their actions, deliberate or not, pose to everyone else around them.

I have an idiot brother who serves full time in the USAF National Guard. Unfortunately he’s dumb as a post and half as attentive. My youngest brother recently asked our dying father how the hell said idiot brother makes it in the military. Our father replied that people like him are the reason why the military has so many inane rules….they are there to keep the idiots in check.

I don’t particularly think Peter’s is an idiot but the whole world and everything in it HAS to be about him or he’ll never be happy. I find it deliciously ironic that Peter’s is a clover himself in that regard. Who knows, maybe he’ll be teaching one of his own children how to “properly” roll through a stop sign and get creamed in the process? All I know for certain is that sooner or later he will reap what he sows. I doubt he’ll have the cajones to write about it when it inevitably happens to him.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

LLpussy
This post is the reason I mentioned you. You don’t even read articles but go on vulgar rants like this about dozens of people you don’t know. His whole point is too many worthless laws you moron.
You were quitting this site because you decided what we can post and read when it’s not your site. You aren’t willing to do the work needed to have your own site but you tell us what is right and wrong.
You kept MOANING like a 5 dollar whore about how you were quitting until Admin begged your sissy ass to stay. Your a BIG BOY according to Stucky but you whine like a closet queer every time you don’t like something. You just said you hardly come here anymore because of “US”. You sure got here fast enough when your name came up. Sure signs of an over sensitive closet queer. Some brave oppressed Choctaw warrior you turned out to be. Do they know you’re embarrassing the Nation like this?

Llpoh
Llpoh

Nutbag – first, your reading skills rival that of a pre-schooler. His point was not that there are too many laws. His point was that he should be able to decide for himself when to abide by them, using his own judgement.

Second, I did not whine. I made one post that I was going to go, and would so advise Admin at a later date with another. Which I did. His, and SSS’s comments, caused me to reconsider. As well as Stuck’s and a couple others.

Just what have you ever contributed to this site? You are too stupid to add anything of value. You call me a liberal, a neocon, etc., which clearly means you are without clue with regards to who I am, what I believe in, or what I have accomplished.

I shit bigger than you.

My problems with TBP today really are simple. The quality of newbies is very low, as you evidence every time your claw hits the keyboard. I also despise the fact that it has become a meeting place for, and increasingly draws, hate-filled, conspiracy-theory, politics of envy types incapable of supporting their positions with facts of any kind.

You want to enter a battle of wits, but you are unarmed and ill-prepared. You are a low-educated, low-skilled, low-performing dullard. And TBP is none the better for your stench.

A. R. Wasem
A. R. Wasem

Good little thuggocrat, nice little thuggocrat – how are those FEMA Death Camp Plans coming along?

PatrioTEA
PatrioTEA

What’s a “Clover”?

xrugger

A Clover is what about half the people on this comment thread are.

IndenturedServant

You can trust rughead……….he’s an expert clover.

xrugger

That’s funny right there. Thanks for the jab indentured.

Bye the bye. You’ve been around here awhile haven’t you? Help me out with something. Do you think Fleabaggs and Llpoh are secret homosexual lovers? I think all that anger is how they hide their passionate desire for one another’s sphincters.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

What kind of tea-bagging sphincter-lover calls himself scrugger?
Are you Altar-boys or Teabaggs boy-toy?

BL
BL

EC

Teabaggs should not rile up Llpoh unless he has a death wish. He keeps mouthing off and he will find out what a trip through the wood chipper feels like from a big dog.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Here’s a video of our three nitwit clovers carrying on. We can only hope they get put through the dick wringer.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

BL.
Are you in the 4th grade also?

IndenturedServant

I have nothing but respect for llpoh. Never had a reason to tangle with him myself so you’re on your own in that regard. He’s a self made man who followed his dreams with a singular purpose and made it work for himself. Not many here can make that claim. I’ve had a few detours along the way but I’m hot on his heels now!

He is right about the quality of many newbies around this place. For better or worse you have to have thick skin to survive around here. That was part of the appeal of TBP for myself. Huffington post it is not.

On the other hand, there are some awesome (relative) newbies here. The two most remarkable among them are Un-whoeverheisthatday and Clammy. Un- started out competing head to head with bb for Village Idiot and did a 180 right before our eyes. That was not seen since DaveL did a 180 and thrust the Village Idiot crown onto bb’s empty noggin. Although not a newbie, Clammy (Stephanie Shepard) is another. It’s funny because Clammy took unbelievable abuse for her writing skills and I noticed the other day that Martin Armstrong is writing about as good as Clammy used to. They both took significant beatings from the old guard and came out on top. That alone makes the wild back and forth abuse around here worthwhile. The school of hard knocks baby……..snowflakes need not apply!

Ed
Ed

If you have to ask, teatard…..

Unknowable
Unknowable

Setting aside the legality for a moment: No matter how much money I had, I would, personally, have a hard time justifying a $100,000 vehicle.

But if I did buy one, I would change my name to Robert then have magnetic signs made to place on the outside door panels for when I drove thru bad neighborhoods.

The signs would read:

“Rob the Mercedes guy”.

Card802
Card802

My first traffic stop by a cop was at a four way when I was a smart ass 17 year old trying to impress a girl.

I rolled through and was promptly stopped.
The cop wanted to give me a ticket for failure to stop.
I said stop or slow down, what’s the difference? Yuk Yuk.
He pulled out his six cell mag light and proceeded to thump me on the head and said, “You want me to stop, or slow down?”

Gayle

It seems to me the fundamental issue is that a stop sign is superfluous at that lonely intersection. Thus, a legal restraint is correctly viewed as irrelevant and invites noncompliance. Illegal immigrants notice that a legal restraint is irrelevant because no one enforces it, so it invites noncompliance. Laws must make sense to those required to obey them, and then they need to be uniformly enforced. We bemoan the results of the violation of these simple principles every day on this site.

Unanon
Unanon

Well said.

TampaRed
TampaRed

“It seems to me the fundamental issue is that a stop sign is superfluous at that lonely intersection. Thus, a legal restraint is correctly viewed as irrelevant and invites noncompliance.”

The county Tampa is in also has a huge amount of rural areas.Approximately 20 years ago,as a prank,three bored young people took down a stop sign at a rural intersection that had very little traffic.
Someone “ran”the non existent stop sign and a person was killed and the 3 kids were charged w/manslaughter.
Superfluous?

PatrioTEA
PatrioTEA

Put that in your tailpipe and smoke it!

Signs and laws are not always obvious as to why they exist; they are often in response to real prrevious problems; and while some may not be truly valid, the public should err on the side of caution instead of selfish abandon.

Suzanna
Suzanna

Card,
that was a very funny comment/story to end the law debate.
BTW, I would stop….but not for long. 🙂

Austrian Peter

Tony Benn, a leading UK Socialist MP in the 1970s once said (and I quote verbatim): “Conscience is above the law”. I was so shocked that I wrote it down at the time and now use it extensively anytime I wish to be contrarian.
http://leave-the-eu.org.uk/PU.php

Diogenes
Diogenes

Where I live, all the cops do, is troll for traffic ticket revenue. The only time they would stop a crime is if it happened to happen in front of a dounut store.

lmorris
lmorris

just one more low life lieturd, hope one of your dumb ass kids get run over by some one like you

Ed
Ed

Damn, l. That’s kinda harsh. WTF does the guy’s kids have to do with it?

middle aged mad gnome
middle aged mad gnome

“Nutbag – why the fuck would you mention me in this? Dickwads like you are why I post less and less.” LMAO – Gawd that was FUNNY. So Llpoh is just sitting there watching the group throw monkey turds at each other and someone decides to throw some at him. LMAO. I think I hurt myself.

TampaRed
TampaRed

Eric,if that’s really you and you’re still checking posts,I sent an email last week thru your website regarding the farmers who are hacking the computers on their John Deere tractors.
With all the software on autos now,how about doing an article on it.

James the Wanderer

(1) A profusion of senseless laws invites contempt for the sensible ones.
(2) Laws are the ropes the Lilliputian Government hordes use to tie down the We The People Gulliver.
(3) Every law should have a sunset, preferably five years unless renewed by another vote of the legislature.
(a) Should it not be necessary, five years is surely long enough to endure it.
(b) Having to vote (individually, mind you! No “omnibus” votes to short-circuit the process!) to renew each law and revisit the entire legal basis every five years would also dramatically reduce the amount of time available to the legislature to create new mischief.
(4) Lawyers should be ineligible for public office.
(5) Term limits on ALL public offices.
(6) NO public pensions.
That’s enough for now. Feel free to suggest your own.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Flea, I know you have the common sense not to disrespect Admin because he is your host here. You would do well to avoid disrespecting certain old-timers because they will rip your nuts off for a quick game of ping-pong.

I know you are an old coot yourself but you are new here and haven’t shown much of an intellect beyond grade school. You can shut the fuck up and learn something from LLPOH. Let me tell you, he has quite an impressive CV that if you knew better, you would offer to hold his dick to take a piss or at the very least, offer to tuck it in for him when he’s done pissing.

Look around, xrugger and alter-freak may not be around in a few weeks, don’t be like those assholes.

Llpoh
Llpoh

EC – tuck it in? Not since I was a toddler. Ever since puberty I have had to reel it in.

Thanks for the kind words.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

LLPOH, I recall some of the assholes you have had to extirpate from the site.
I have no idea why they always come gunning for you like you were Merrin.
I guess evil always seeks to vanquish good.

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