Originally Posted at Free Market Shooter
In March of 2016, Free Market Shooter exposed the “Phoenix John Brown Gun Club”, which, according to many observers showed anti-Trump “counter protesters” showing up to a pro-Trump rally in Phoenix, Arizona openly carrying what appeared to be fake firearms:
The only reference to firearms training was in their “events” page, which had an event that took place on March 5th, titled “Introduction to Tactical Firearms”. It had 46 guests. There were no upcoming events, and the prior four events had absolutely nothing to do with firearms.
Not much of a “gun club” at all, is it? Would you really be surprised to find out that many of their members didn’t even carry real firearms to an “open carry” demonstration against a Trump rally?
The group has appeared to respond to criticisms of “LARPing” with fake guns by releasing a YouTube video entitled “Phoenix John Brown Gun Club – Range Day”. But this video ends up exposing not only the group’s laughable lack of experience with firearms, it all but confirms the (even more difficult to deny) accusation that their “open carry” demonstration did include several fake firearms.
The video (still up on YouTube when this article was published) is below:
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CywFbSdMVx0]
And, for reference, the photos from the prior article Free Market Shooter article are featured here as well:
The shooting “range” in question during this video appears to be a spot in the desert. The “range” is littered with trash, as it appears PJBGC doesn’t bother to pick up after themselves. With a maximum distance of about 50 meters, most shooting takes place at what appears to be about 50 feet, if that… including the rifle “shootout” segments of the video.
Bear in mind, the US Army Field Manual on marksmanship indicates that the weapon is zeroed (sighted) at 25 meters, with qualified training taking place at 50 meters or further, and a maximum scored distance of 300 meters. Then again, even at the shorter distances, PJBGC doesn’t even seem particularly concerned with zeroing their weapons at all.
This is evident in their “shootout” starting at 2:09. I counted a number of shots completely missing the targets, at a distance that was no greater than 25 meters, most likely much closer than that. Bear in mind what the US Army Manual states on 25-meter “zeroing”:
After completing Phases I and II, the Soldier conducts a firing event (Table 7-29) to zero or confirm the zero on his weapon and reinforce the fundamentals of marksmanship. This firing event will be conducted on a 25-meter range. If the Soldier cannot zero within 18 rounds, the trainer recommends retraining, retesting, or possible removal from the course. After the weapon is zeroed, any additional rounds will be fired and the coach will observe the Soldier for deficiencies in his marksmanship fundamentals.
But don’t worry, certainly the PJBGC has other marksmanship qualifiers outside of the US Army Manual, right?
Take a closer look at two of the people who participated in said “shootout”:
The one on the left appears at many points throughout the video, including a bayonet “intimidation” charge which will be discussed later. He appears to be the same man who appeared in the above photos from the March rally in a blue shirt, and can be seen wearing what appear to be the same pants, shoes, bandana and accessory pouch at the PJBGC “Range Day” as he did in March, only with a white shirt this time.
What’s different about him this time besides the shirt? The firearm, of course… because at no point in the video does any “drum” magazine appear to be used at all, by anyone. In fact, the “blue shirt” man in question from the top “counter protest” photo (on the left) appears to be using the wooden SKS-style rifle carried by the guy on the right of the first photo throughout the entire “Range Day” video.
As for the one circled on the right? She is seen firing an AK-style rifle during the video, and when her rifle appears to jam, she appears to not only perform several “dry” trigger pulls, she also appears to have no idea how to clear the jam. Which is hardly surprising, as she is seen later in the video at 4:21 firing a completely different rifle, under supervision of a man in camo gear, who appears to supervise nearly all of the “Range Day” participants.
Yes, the SKS appears to be the one of the only real rifles from the entire group that appeared in the March photos above, as the others made no appearance whatsoever at the PJBGC “Range Day”. The only other exception is the large scoped AR-derivative rifle (note the ultra-lite stock) which would likely be designed for ideal use at 100+meters… being fired at a distance at no more than 10 meters. It appears to be fired by the dreadlocked red bandana girl from the above photos which also appears to be the rifle she she toted in March, at 1:08:
Notice: not only does she need to fire said rifle with supervision from the man in camo overlooking; just seconds earlier, the same exact rifle with the low-profile stock in question was seen being carried by another participant at the “arming table”, while she was standing right next to the person …
…and the rifle in question is later seen appearing to be fired by the above girl in red stripes during the other “shootout” at 5:14. If this is indeed a real rifle, it is almost certainly not owned by the woman who toted it at the open carry “counter protest”, even if the owner let her fire off a few rounds for appearance’s sake.
In fact, with the exception of the aforementioned SKS, and the scoped AR with the low-profile stock, none of the other weapons pictured at the “counter protest” appear anywhere in the “Range Day” video. While there are clearly many real rifles sprinkled into the group, three out of four of the “fake ones” in the second photo of the “counter protest” have all but confirmed to be fake after all, including the one carried in March by Mr. Bayonet Charge…
…who is the aforementioned “white shirt” guy who toted a fake gun at March’s “counter protest”, this time executing a “bayonet charge” on a thoroughly shot-up “Pepe the Frog” target with the SKS he is seen shooting earlier… of course, with supervision:
Do not take this the wrong way – there is absolutely nothing wrong with first-time and/or beginner shooters learning how to both handle firearms and the proper fundamentals of marksmanship. In fact, you’ll notice most shooters welcome first-timers to shooting ranges, and teach them how to handle firearms properly and safely… which appears to be the one thing PJBGC gets right – safe usage of firearms under controlled conditions. The more people who understand safe operation of firearms, the better off we all are.
Still, it was clearly far too easy to expose the inexperience and overall lack of firearms proficiency this “gun club” chooses to assign to itself, all while shooting a video intended to intimidate its adversaries. These are clearly beginners, with a glaring lack of general marksmanship skills, masquerading as a trained combat-ready group, openly carrying firearms in an attempt to show pro-Trump supporters just how tough they are… or in this case, aren’t.
Take note, PJBGC… real “gun guys” are not fooled. It is rather easy to see how capable (or incapable) you are with a firearm after watching your “intimidation video”. You can strap up and act tough, but you better be careful if you plan on making yourself a target… when the bullets start flying, that firearm you’re toting isn’t going to do you much good (beyond putting a big bulls-eye on your back) if you can’t fire it accurately. Of course, that all assumes the gun is even real in the first place, and not one of the fake ones exposed being carried in March.
But, good luck trying to explain that to PJBGC… in spite of the negative response they’ve received to this video, it is rather difficult for you to explain that to them – they made sure to disable comments for the video.
Nice to see the enemy is so well prepared.
A 25-meter iron sight zero on an AR-15 is roughly equal to hitting targets at 220-250 meters without having to adjust sights as it were in the army, which I believe is now 50/225. Real shooters will use a maximum point blank range zero which is where you know will hit center mass to a given range max without sight adjustment. My 25-06 is right about 270 meters with 120gr at 3000 fps. So from point blank to 270 meters I will hit center mass if I am doing everything correctly with a deviation in elevation of about +2 inches depending on the weather.
The dopes in the article probably wouldn’t hit water if they fell out of a boat. It’s all fun and propaganda till the shooting starts.
I’m sure your commie farming and survival skills are very outstanding too. So, why do we see you dumbass liberals everywhere but not the alleged Right Wing fascist enforcing tyranny and destroying liberal’s monuments etc. We are certainly not hiding in fear in our basements from you commies. Sorry you ignorant Takers can’t become functional contributor Makers to society instead of committing suicide in your “workers and oppressed of the world” Spanish style revolution that you are planning to bring to America.
I hear what’s being said but a fool with a weapon can kill you just as surely as a trained marksman. Do not underestimate ANYONE. We’re talking life & death.
Flashman,
I think a fool with a weapon is far MORE likely to kill or hurt someone with a rifle.
On the other hand fools with weapons do not exactly constitute a force multiplier (if that makes sense) in conjunction with a perceived/organized political/military threat.
Be sure that the FBI et al already has extensive files on these idiots and are likely watching them as closely as any similar group regardless of what side of the political spectrum they may fall.
These kids will never be anything more than a poorly organized GANG of snowflakes, guns or not. That they or anyone else can hurt others is a given. That they would stand to gain anything from it politically, tactically or personally is laughable. Quite the opposite actually. That is why I keep saying that they are headed for prison if they are not cautious.
Wouldn’t disagree. Especially as regards your first sentence.
Given my politics, I figure my FBI file is right next to theirs.
“Be sure that the FBI et al already has extensive files on these idiots and are likely watching them ”
More like : ‘Be sure that the FBI has armed these idiots and are likely training them in hopes they can be taught to pull off a false flag without killing each other’.
In this day and age, I wouldn’t rule it out…
Them being dangerous is a given, you guys are correct. A handful of stupid people firing rifles can still hit you. The whole broken clock analogy comes to mind.
Where they would fall apart is in anything that requires organization. Moving from place to place while covering each other. Yelling ‘reloading’ and having someone respond ‘covering’. Yelling ‘moving’ and having the guy behind you acknowledge and cover you, etc. Ot sounds really simple, but having gone through that training, I can tell you it takes a lot of repetition and coaching before it becomes second nature. Same with room clearing. You hear over and over again to dig your corners, but the first few times you breach, you see a target and all of you shoot it while ignoring the rest of the room, which typically includes a hostile that would have killed you all.
There really is no substitute for this kind of training. It isn’t complicated, the tactics can be taught to almost anyone, but doing any of this right requires a lot or repetition. A hundred of these guys shooting at trash in the desert will be broken up, killed, chased out, or pinned down by a dozen people who have even basic training in this type of thing.
It was nice to see the girl with dreads/pigtails not carrying at the Charlottesville protest, given her lack of experience called out on here!!! BUT.. she was on the front like taking punches like a big girl! LOL… Gotta give her something for that I guess.
I posted the vid earlier this week. Do not underestimate the ((enemy)).
Well, I guess they might be able to hit the broadside of a barn, but not much else.
If they’re shooting into a crowd they do not need to be a marksman.
How many people are killed by an inner city punk who is not proficient?
The Flasher’s comment was correct.
What do you expect when all the gubmint and echo-named media propaganda say that all fighting is done under 200 yards now?
Kids with squirrel and pig rifles training at BB gun range will definitely put a hurting on crowds of people.
Therefore, don’t be in the crowd.
It’s real “impressive” making lots if noise with the spray-n-pray technique, but a single hit from a well-placed shot hitting the Commie with a radio directing the fodder from 400 yards out is much more effective.
ZFG: Try 25yds for 7.62X51 and 39Yds for the 5.56. Zeroed in at these ranges with 62gn 5.56 and 168gn 7.62 both rounds are slightly high at 100yds(bullet is still rising) and drops only 7″ at 300yds. That’s about the limit of my capabilities and is certainly good enough for me. These idiots think that they can buy an AR15 and a box, 20rnds, of ammo and instantly become Gunny Hathcock. They have no idea what’s coming if they continue their violent ways.
Will do Ragman. Building a couple oddball platforms in 762×39 and 6.5 Grendel for shits and grins too. Love my 25-06, but the more variety the better scrounging for long term. Like Heller said, the enemy is anyone that is going to get you killed.
Slightly off topic but a 2nd Amendment case that has the potential to be wide ranging.
http://personalliberty.com/kansas-gun-case-may-preserve-2nd-amendment-generation/
So apparently from the still shots (I didn’t bother with the video) they are doing bayonet drills against an opponent who is already on the ground.
Maybe on their next training day they can learn how to knife fight by watching Westside Story.
A danger to themselves & others.
An ironic name for the club. Wasn’t there a song about John Brown’s body lies a molderin’ in his grave?
Yeah, Miles. That song was a rallying cry for the lunatics who were praying for a race war to wipe out slaveowners. One of them later wrote an apostate “hymn” to the same tune: “The Battle Hymn of the Republic”.
Sadly, some Christians treat it as an actual hymn and even sing the fucking thing in church.
Exactly.
Sacrilege I tell you,sacrilege!
I just listened to American Trilogy from “Aloha From Hawaii.”
Tell me it ain’t so!
Mesomorph…Westside Story…that’s damn funny !
I doubt they even know how to properly clean a weapon.
My main two high powered rifles are a Remington .308 5R rifling with a jewel trigger and several mods done to the lugs etc on top is a Nightforce NXS 5x22x56 scope. The other is a my flat shooting 7mm STW custom Shop rifle with a Ziess Diavari 3x12x56 scope.Both will hit you were it hurts..a long way away. I’m getting into the long range shooting. My goal is a 1000 meter hit…then hitting it consistently .
Your Nightforce cost more than my rifle and scope combined (Off-the-shelf Browning B78 High Wall single-shot in .25-06 and Vortex 4-16 x 50 scope). I can bang the 10″ steel at 1000 yards all day if the wind isn’t up too much. Should be a piece of cake for a sweet rig like yours.
I hear good things about those Nightfirce optics. I want to get into some long range shooting but the longest range I have access to on the Big Island is only 400 yards. I have a Barrett 82 with a Valdada 6-24 that puts them in the same hole at 300 and I really want to stretch its legs and see what it can do.
As far as the 200-400 yard range I have a Model 1 Sales upper slapped on a DPMS lower that is ridiculously accurate. I use a 4X ACOG with the chevron reticle because I can get on target faster than with any other optic I have ever used. Plus no batteries required. The rifle is so stable when I shoot it off its bipod that it can do double taps on 10″ and 12″ plates out to 300 no problem. No skill on my part at all. Anyone who can do a .15-.20 sec double tap can ring plates all day long with it.
You’ve heard how stupid it is to show up at a gun fight armed only with a knife. How much more stupid is it to have a fake gun? At least with a knife, if your enemy misses his shot, you might be able to stab him. I suppose you could club him with the fake gun. There’s the old saying; what is a gun without bullets? It’s a club. Hey! That’s it. The John Brown is a club, that’s a gun without bullets. Get it? They have guns with no bullets, so they are a club. OK. So it’s not all that funny.
How many people, lately, have been shot because they were brandishing a fake, or toy gun? Seems like a way to get yourself killed. Some body is carrying what looks like a real gun. Are you going to stop and make sure it’s not a fake? These people are daring someone to shoot them. Eventually someone will.
Carrying a fake gun is like “The boy who cried wolf.”
Hey folks, I’m not on their side, and I have no respect for them, but I want to point out something- These asshats are just the visible tip of the revolution. The real danger is from the hardened communist/anarchist terrorists that form their hard core. The vast majority of protestors are ignorant herd mentality meatheads, but there are a small, well-trained, well-organized, highly-motivated, and well-funded core of terrorists among them who are smart enough not to be pictured, not to be identified, and who will be the real shooters when something happens.
Believe it or not, these protestors are organized and their leadership, whom you don’t see much, are working to organize them more and more to make them a tight, cohesive unit. The interesting thing you rarely see discussed or mentioned in the media is this level of organization. I assume the media doesn’t want to cover that aspect, since they’re on the same side as the protestors.
For instance, if you ever heard of the long-running protest outside Hannaford nuke plant, you probably didn’t hear the protestors were paid and given a free lunch for a day’s work. My buddy actually participated in this protest for $8 an hour and the free bag lunch when he was in college.
One thing they do, is organize into what they call “Affinity Groups,” which are like the larger groupings in a protest. The protestors are expected to link up with and fall in on the Affinity Group Leader to find their place in the protest. The higher-level organizers move their Affinity Groups around the city like chess pieces. Some groups are expected to confront cops, others are expected to provide medical support, others are expected to just march and wave signs, etc. There are legal support personnel awaiting the arrests. Specially-prepared first aid people waiting with water bottles to flush tear gas from folks’ eyes. There are folks to provide food. There are also the hardcore anarchist Black Bloc types who show up and do whatever they plan to do. The organizers hope to get certain objectives acheived, like shutting off vital intersections or capturing a park, etc.
If the mainstream knew this, I think they might be more disgusted by the protestors. If they knew there are professional protestors and folks who move from protest to protest and live off big liberal donations, I think they might be disgusted. You can see these folks popping up after the first day or so of a protest, like Ferguson, or the Charlotte, NC protest last year when the cops caught lots of out-of-state protestors.
These folks will start buying guns and they will start practicing. The regular morons might be no threat, but there will be a core group of hard core guys who will have guns and will be ready to use them. These guys will be the ones sniping the cops or attacking conservatives. I also figure these folks will figure out head-to-head armed confrontation is pointless when they can assassinate politicans, cops, right-wing media types, and folks with Trump hats and Liberty stickers on their cars.
THAT is where I think this is heading. The John Brown Gun Club is just another libtard sham, but don’t believe they won’t get guns and use them.
Yep. Gavrilo Princip probably wasn’t a great marksman but he sure was the most successful anarchist in history.
I watched this video last week and other than the amount of hardware I wasn’t that impressed. The leaders should not be underestimated, however if you were facing this group outgunned and outnumbered always remember to double tap the leader with extreme speed and prejudice. That won’t be the loudmouth or the crazy bitch at the front of the group. the leader will be kind of off to the side maybe only armed with a handgun. Take out the leader and whoever steps up next and it wouldn’t surprise me if the rest of the group will curb their enthusiasm for the fight.
We don’t look for trouble around here, we avoid protests and street theatre. Thing is this video looks to have taken place about 70 miles from my little stronghold so I harbor no illusion about this fight passing me by. I am starting to think that these dirty little urchins will be used in some kind of false flag in Arizona. Just can’t figure the where and the when. But make no mistake it’s coming
Gilbert, when the number of them who have rifles reaches about 100,000,000 they might be a problem. Until then, they’re really just prey. They haven’t managed to set anybody off yet. When they do, they’re finished.
Gilbert’s comments are correct about the leadership and the core of the group being tough and disciplined.I read somewhere that Oath Keepers has infiltrated some of these groups and that there are ex military members in these groups.When the protests over Viet Nam were going on,how many combat vets were marching?
One of my biggest fears about this situation is if conservatives start fighting back and lefties start getting shot,the crackdown will come against the right,not the left.
It is the nature of government to maintain the appearance of authority and as long as the MSM does not widely report incidents such as the initial Berkeley riots,they can do so.
If people are being shot it will be reported and authorities will respond aggressively against whoever does it.
this is obviously an onion article either that or by a severely retarded liberal
Nice screen name.