Russia Hacked our Election! (So what?)

Guest Post by Scott Adams

I see a consensus forming that Russia attempted to influence our election with fake news and other social media shenanigans.

But why?

If you start with the assumption that Russia is an enemy of the United States, you probably assume they do bad things to us simply to weaken our power and effectiveness. For example, this article hypothesizes that Russia’s intention was to breed distrust between whoever became president and our intelligence services. I guess that hypothesis sort-of-almost makes sense. But I wouldn’t say it passes my personal sniff test.

Then there’s the more popular theory that the Russians were colluding with the Trump campaign because Putin thought he could somehow control President Trump via blackmail, or business ties, or something else we’re imagining. I guess that could be true. Sort of. But that doesn’t pass my sniff test either.

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Then there’s the hypothesis that Russia was messing with our democratic system to weaken the country by sowing distrust about the election process, or possibly by electing a president they believed would be less effective. But I have a hard time believing the Russians thought Trump would be ineffective. Maybe they just thought he would be divisive, and perhaps they thought that’s good for Russia in some way.

I suppose any one of the versions of reality I described could be true. But my brain has to work hard to make sense of any of those explanations. The pieces fit, but only when I hammer them. That raises a red flag for confirmation bias.

Just for fun, let’s compare the standard explanations for Russia’s alleged influence on the election with two other hypotheses.

Hackers and Misdirection

As Putin accurately pointed out in a recent interview, hackers can make their attacks seem to come from other sources, including Russia. I assume there are hundreds, if not thousands, of Trump-supporting Americans with the skills to hack poorly-secured servers. Even if you assume Putin wanted to hack American servers, he would have needed to get in line to do it. Given all the American hackers who opposed Hillary Clinton, there is perhaps a one-in-a-hundred chance Putin’s hackers (if they exist) got to the DNC and Clinton’s servers before the hordes of non-Russian hackers did it. So even if Putin tried, the odds are low that his team got to the good stuff first.

But that’s just the hacking allegation. The “influence” goes further than that, including fake news and other social media shenanigans.

Fake News and Social Media Shenanigans

Let’s say Russia did attempt to influence American voters to support Trump. The first question I have to ask is this: Aren’t all the big countries trying to influence elections in all the other countries, all the time? If Russia did try to influence an American election, wouldn’t that be business as usual? Do we imagine the United States is NOT trying to influence foreign elections through our own fake news and social media manipulations? I always assumed we do that sort of thing. I base that assumption on the following observation about human beings:

If the payoff for bad behavior is high, and the odds of getting caught and punished are low, bad behavior happens every time.

That describes the situation with influencing foreign elections. The payoff is high (potentially) and one assumes the major intelligence agencies know how to avoid getting fingered. Whenever you have this sort of situation, you always have mischief.

But let’s get back to Russia’s presumed payoff for somehow destabilizing the United States. I think we need to check that assumption because Putin seems like a smart guy. It’s hard for me to believe he thinks he would come out ahead by destabilizing the world’s most important military and economic power. And that is doubly true when you are teaming with that country to fight ISIS, put a cap on North Korea, and keep the economy chugging along. It’s hard for me to imagine a scenario in 2017 in which Russia gains by poking America with a sharp stick. The probable outcome seems more bad than good. Who wants a pissed-off nuclear superpower looking in your direction? It doesn’t pass the sniff test. If Putin were an idiot, I could see him wanting to cause this sort of trouble just because he was dumb.

Putin isn’t dumb.

Global Democracy Hypothesis

I’d like to introduce a new hypothesis to explain why Russia might have wanted to influence American elections: They believed a Hillary Clinton presidency would be a disaster to the world, including Russia.

We’ve been brainwashed by the media and our own government to believe Russia always acts against our interests. I think it would be more accurate to assume Russia always acts in its own best interest, and that can sometimes be in conflict with our interests.

But not always.

There is no rule that says Russia’s best interests have to diverge from America’s. For example, both countries want to defeat ISIS. Both countries prefer a non-nuclear North Korea. Both countries prefer robust trade. And so on.

As a thought experiment, imagine the United States watching some other country’s election process while believing one of the main candidates would be a disaster for the world, including the United States. Would our intelligence services try to influence that election, even if it was a NATO country?

Of course they would. At least I hope so.

But something much larger than government-on-government influence is happening, and I’d like to call that out in this post. We keep talking about physical border security, but what about influence security? Any country with widespread Internet access is susceptible to the same kind of fake news and other social media influence that we suspect Russia of doing. And every citizen can play this game. For example, if I were highly motivated to influence an election in Great Britain, I’m sure I could move a few thousand votes in any direction I chose. Could it be said in that case that America is trying to manipulate a foreign election? Yes, unambiguously so. And I believe it is totally legal, even if I use fake news as my persuasion.

From 2017 onward, the democratic process in any country is open to “voting” by the entire world. The foreign “votes” will come in the form of social media influence on the local voters. There is no practical way to stop any of that from happening. And that means political power will migrate from the traditional triumvirate of politicians, rich people, and the media, to individual persuaders who are good at it. In 2017 and beyond, the best persuaders in the world will be influencing democratic elections in every country. And those persuaders will be from anywhere on the globe. Borders can’t stop persuasion.

While you were watching the news coverage about physical borders between countries, and physical immigration, the democratic process in each country became global. We can (and do) influence politics across borders now, bigly. And fake news is part of the soup, unfortunately.

Did Putin or other Russian nationals try to influence American elections? I assume so. I also assume America has done the same – in terms of influence on their local politics – to Russia, and to every one of our allies.

And if we aren’t doing that sort of thing, why the hell not? Voting is open across borders now. We would be wise to vote in those other countries. That’s what Russia did. Allegedly.

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IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
June 13, 2017 4:48 pm

I’d rather have Russians hacking our elections than Libtard, Regressive Democrats.

Capn Mike
Capn Mike
  IndenturedServant
June 13, 2017 5:25 pm

It’s amazing. Just based on behavior and statements, I have become a BIG fan boy of Vlad. He is a man among children. So yes, have at it Russia. Please save America from itself.

rhs jr
rhs jr
June 13, 2017 5:28 pm

How are the investigations going on the Clinton Foundation; the 30,000 subpoenaed emails of classified, bribes and pedophilia Harpy destroyed that Lynch and Comey decided not to investigate; the Democrat vote frauds discovered all over the country; the many leftist NGOs being paid to riot; and the Rich murder the DC police didn’t really investigate?

musket
musket
June 13, 2017 5:35 pm

The clowns who are the largest whiners about this know the least about hacking, software and computers in general. It is a topic where they can stand in front of a camera and snivel and whine and not have to appear too smart…only committed to destroying the US thru the disintegration of Donald Trump. If they really understood this world they would know that most effective hackers and IT pros are Israeli…….

For a good idea of the war going on please see: http://map.norsecorp.com/#/

Boat Guys
Boat Guys
June 13, 2017 5:53 pm

The Clinton war mongering political machine will do anything including risking nuclear war . Bushes are not much better and Obama was known as the black Bush in Russia . Remember the Bush fortune was originally made rebuilding Germany after WW1 ! Imagine if your grandfather sold Hitler a sling shot , odds are he would have died in Levenworth !
The left in America are nothing more than a band of feminazis and neutered manginas and when they encounter men willing to stand up and be accountable for their actions Like Putin and possibly Trump (the jury is still out on President Trump) . The fact that Trump wished to join forces peacefully with Putin to achieve common goal , to stomp out terrorism and join in economic endevours to benefit both nations was more than the deep state of the Military Industrial Complex could bare . So you have the back stabbing low life political animals crawling about our nation ready to do anything to prevent any peaceful resolutions .
In my life I have encountered people from all over this planet and one general rule has applied to all of us : we are fine the governments are all fucked up !

Anon
Anon
  Boat Guys
June 14, 2017 11:08 am

This has all one big overarching theme that I see. The bottom line is that the criminals in DC are afraid of peace breaking out. Period. They got a taste of what peace would mean to their bottom line when the Soviet Union fell. When it fell, so did their influence and bank account, as well as their need to exist. All of these “wars” on what not have one purpose – as make work and grand welfare programs for the rich assholes and politicians that profit off of conflict. No conflict, no paycheck. It really is that simple. I really wish that someone, maybe Trump would make that clear to the sheeple, then maybe we could get a simple consensus against it all.

Mark
Mark
June 13, 2017 9:00 pm

Look. All the issues these leftist put out by their nature are delibertly flighty. Climate change, green energy , extra extra. Their is no such thing as a direct assertion that could be subject to challenge.

For example, suppose Trump started out by handing out machine guns to Mexican drug lords and a border patrol agent was murdered. That issue would be to discrete and not flighty enough.

Ed
Ed
  Mark
June 13, 2017 11:18 pm

I must be gettin punchy. For a minute I thought I understood some of that.

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
June 13, 2017 11:00 pm

I’ve said similar things here on TBP before. If I were Putin, would I want across the negotiating table:
(A) HRC, the unstable, medically suspect, devious, categorically corrupt and immoral pathological psychopath? The woman who wanted a “no-fly zone” in Syria to be enforced by US air power to the detriment of Putin’s ally Assad, hell or nuclear conflict be damned?
(B) Trump, who at least isn’t pathologically opposed to peace, capable of considered thought and negotiations, a man with a business outlook and previous dealings to judge ethics and responsibility from?
If I were Putin I would want someone stable, positive and thoughtful to negotiate with, who might be open to discussion and debate on points, rather than a socialist nutjob who never understood anything but power and greed. If Putin gave us Trump he did the WORLD a favor.

Flying Monkey
Flying Monkey
June 14, 2017 6:22 am

The Russians fixed the election in the US like they fixed the 96% overwhelming vote in the Crimea to merge back with Russia.

The Russians leaned after the Crimean vote to make vote rigging look a little less obvious. That is why Clinton barely lost when they rigged the election this time. 😉

Card802
Card802
June 14, 2017 7:21 am

We have to enemy to fight to feed the machine and take our attention away from the fucktards in charge.

Iran? Nah.
Iraq? Nah.
Canada? Nah
Mexico? Nah
Terrorism? Nah
North Korea? Maybe…..

Russia?

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Anonymous
Anonymous
June 14, 2017 10:21 am

Here is another theory:
Russia, tired of watching US psyops on social media, creating the Arab spring and the Ukraine mess, decided to play the same game against our population. Only they exposed the true underbelly of our sick politicians.

I think this dovetails into Scott’s thought experiment, where the goal was to keep the Clinton death cult out of office.

nkit
nkit
June 14, 2017 11:01 am

“Meddling in other’s elections is a violation of international law. In 1965, the United Nations General Assembly reaffirmed this with a resolution stating: “No State has the right to intervene, directly or indirectly, for any reason whatever, in the internal […] affairs of any other State.” And the International Court of Justice also considers such intervention to be illegal. More importantly, U.S. law prohibits the use of tax dollars to influence foreign elections.”

As they say, there are exceptions to every rule, and in this case that exception is if you are the Magic Negro and you are doing your best to change the country in question into a Muslim shit hole. In that case it clearly does not violate international law, so it seems, as Obama did it no less than six times.

Obama’s Meddling in Foreign Elections: Six Examples