Like, Should and Will

Guest Post by The Zman

People who enjoy quantitative analysis of current events and social policy tend to get irritated by the fact that most people don’t know what “average” means. In fact, most people don’t know the difference between the words “some”, “all” and “many”, treating them as if they are synonyms. The easiest way to activate the nearest outrage machine is to say something like “Some women….” and you can be sure a local gal will clutch her pearls and tell you she is nothing like whatever you described. It’s madness.


Something similar happens to people when discussing social policy or describing a cultural phenomenon. What is good for society, may not always be good for each member of society. Similarly, what you like may not scale up very well. Open borders fanatics fall into this trap. They look at the quaint ethnic eateries around their college campus and think, “This is how it should be everywhere!” They never stop to think if it should be something we attempt and they never think about what actually will happen.

It’s not just liberals and libertarians that get confused by this. Lots of people say they want America to return to its constitutional founding, never stopping to think if we should actually try to do it. If we tried to roll back the 19th Amendment, there would be endless protests, even if every state promised women the franchise. Rolling back the Reconstruction Amendments would launch a civil war. You may like the idea of going back to the original, but we shouldn’t attempt it, which is why we will never try it.

This circles back to the topic of internet commerce. Lots of people like the convenience of ordering on-line and having their goods delivered to them. Some people like the fact they can buy on-line from cheaper foreign sources, thus saving some money. That’s perfectly understandable, but that does not mean we should, as a society, let Amazon monopolize the retail marketplace. There may be ugly trade-offs. Even if we can figure it out, that does not mean we will act accordingly. Instead, we will plow ahead and learn the hard way.

The easy thing to get right is what you like. The old maxim about being conservative about what you know best applies here. All the people screaming at me for questioning the wisdom of letting Amazon own the marketplace are doing so because they know how much they like shopping on-line. They don’t want any discussion of changing it. They know their tastes and habits better than anyone so they are the most conservative about those things. As a result, they instinctively recoil at any criticism of the internet economy.

To be clear, we all do this to some degree. I reject any and all efforts to impose regulations on gun ownership. I know the gun laws better than most and I know the gun statistics better than most. The only changes I favor are repeals of existing laws, but any mention of “gun laws” or “gun crimes” puts me in a defensive crouch. The most conservative position is to resists any discussion of changing gun laws so that is my default position. As a result, I probably have a few things wrong about the gun debate.

Where things always get squirrely is when the topic moves into what we should do as a society. Libertarians, of course, leave the room at this point because they think “should” means “must” and they are against coercion. This is one of the reasons I have so little patience with libertarians. Politics is about what will be done and that results from the debate over what should be done. The libertarian impulse to retreat into proselytizing about their principles makes them worse than useless in the war with the Left.

Liberals claim to hold the moral high ground so all of their proclamations about what should be done are invested with moral authority. It is why they frame every debate in moral terms. That way, they avoid the granular analysis of what they are doing, so the focus shifts to the morality of their intentions. It is often assumed that this is a deliberate tactic, but it is instinctual. Progressivism is a religion. The adherents naturally frame everything in terms of their faith, in the same way Muslims rely on the Koran for their authority.

Buckley conservatives abandoned public morality long ago, so they are reduced to turning everything into a math problem. This appeals to many libertarian-ish people which is why you see so many of them hanging around the Official Right™. It would be nice if public policy could be decided, at least to some degree, by mathematics, but there’s no history of that ever happening, which means it will most likely never happen. It’s why the Buckley Right has lost every fight over the last 25 years. You don’t beat morality with math.

Of course, no matter what your conception of what should happen is, the odds that it will happen are fairly low. Even the most modest plans have unintended consequences and most of us are easily deluded by our sense of righteousness. It is why Progressivism has devolved into a madhouse of lunacy. They stand on their soapboxes sermonizing about what should happen, only to see the opposite happen. The recent string of elections has them thinking the gods have abandoned them, which is why they are so distraught.

This is not a post with some great important point to make so I’ll wrap it up. The one take away here is that when I write about some public phenomenon, I’m usually looking at it from the various angles of the “should” position. Is this something we should embrace? Is this something we should tolerate? That sort of thing. You may like midget porn, for example, but we should not have it on television. On the other hand, you may hate paying your taxes, but we should enforce tax laws, even the terrible ones.

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Back in PA Mike
Back in PA Mike
June 23, 2017 9:00 am

Math will win in the end. It’s just, well, math.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Back in PA Mike
June 24, 2017 12:46 am

Math rules the world. Too bad 95% of Americans are innumerate….

Anon
Anon
June 23, 2017 9:43 am

” It would be nice if public policy could be decided, at least to some degree, by mathematics, but there’s no history of that ever happening, which means it will most likely never happen. It’s why the Buckley Right has lost every fight over the last 25 years. You don’t beat morality with math.”
– Public policy is indeed always decided by math, because of the simple fact that math governs the monetary system. The decision that is made in “public” is the decision of who benefits and who loses from the math problem and its solution. This is the center of the “healthcare” debate right now. The crooks in Washington are trying to figure out a way to continue a scam that is coming to its mathematical end point, and how to sell it to us without being tossed out at the next election.
The Fed is attempting to sell a “solution” to us for a math problem that is causing pensions to blow up, city budgets to implode and people to continue getting their cheap / free shit without actually having to pay the true cost – without Wall Street and its minions having to experience the cost.
Public policy is ALL math, due to the fact that the “betters” of us like economic security – theirs, at the sole expense of ours. The public part is just selling the “solution” to us and giving us the illusion it is for our own good – so we keep paying the freight.
Mathematics is the only truth when dealing with any of these crooks. If the math does not add up, it does not add up. Period. The only question at that point to ask yourself about the “debate” is how do I get on the right side of this when it ultimately goes sideways.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Anon
June 24, 2017 12:47 am

The Fed has CAUSED pensions to blow up and incomes to decline, and they have even admitted it….

A. R. (Rich) Wasem
A. R. (Rich) Wasem
  pyrrhus
June 24, 2017 11:46 am

The fedres (the creature from jekyll island – see the book of the same title by G. Edward Griffin) is the greatest destroyer of the American middle class (and thus of the Republic) that exists. John Hussman in fact describes their policies since the Great Recession as “deranged” and I would extend the use of that word to the Board itself.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Anon
June 24, 2017 1:31 pm

Good one anon. You usually sound like a moran but on this one it seems you’ve been paying attention.

Rdawg
Rdawg
June 23, 2017 11:14 am

This mook sure has got a case of the ass for libertarians.

I wonder if a libertarian stole his girlfriend, or something?

Ed
Ed
  Rdawg
June 23, 2017 8:04 pm

I’ll bet some libertarian girl laughed at his little pink pud.

norman franklin
norman franklin
  Ed
June 23, 2017 8:40 pm

I think he needs to show a little more insouciance towards the libertarians.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Rdawg
June 23, 2017 9:14 pm

We libertarians deserve it-as a group Libertarians are one big clusterf….

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Rdawg
June 24, 2017 1:36 pm

Let’s not get parochial about libertarianism.
At root, it is a ‘leave me alone and I’ll leave you alone’ attitude.
No surprise your agree with libertarians given the the Mormon precept of ‘the greater good’.

Bob
Bob
June 23, 2017 11:55 am

Power trumps math in most any social or political situation. Reason usually runs a poor third.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Bob
June 23, 2017 9:21 pm

Power can only trump math for so long-when the $ runs out the ones wielding the power will find themselves alone.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Bob
June 24, 2017 12:48 am

Which is why all high level societies collapse in a relatively short period of time….

NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR
June 23, 2017 12:14 pm

Greetings,

I’ve always viewed myself as a Systems Engineer. Whether it be in the design of an extremely complex electrical device, a Broadway musical or a Kid Rock Concert, I’m the guy that can design and implement the System that will make it all work. It is what I do.

Take global climate change for an example. I actually work with many of the things discussed: positive and negative feedback loops, heat sinks, regulated and unregulated sub systems, convection and air flow, computer models and closed systems. This gives me a bit of an advantage when I look at the most recent “findings” and often the most recent “discovery” is nothing more than an opinion or a wild guess. Nothing more.

Health Care is a System as well and as it stands is the most wasteful and inefficient system that could ever be designed as it is, frankly, impossible to measure inputs and outputs anymore. The new coding system mandated by the government adds so much friction to the system that hospitals should use that extra heat to generate electricity. After all, with an administration to doctor ratio of 17:1, we should at least harvest their body heat.

It is very difficult to manage a complex system just as it was impossible for the Politburo to manage the Soviet Union. With that said, a designer knows that he is finished not when there is nothing left to add but nothing left to take away.

rhs jr
rhs jr
June 23, 2017 12:29 pm

Can’t even read this because it keeps dumping to a couple dancing.

Jouska
Jouska
June 23, 2017 12:35 pm

“most people don’t know the difference between the words some, all and many, treating them as if they are synonyms”

One of the reasons I dislike your postings is that you do exactly what you say above. The extrapolations you make on people and groups of people is exhausting and sometimes disgusting.

An aside, take a writing course. Your articles are all over the place and it is hard to pinpoint exactly what you are saying.

Cheers!

A. R. (Rich) Wasem
A. R. (Rich) Wasem
June 23, 2017 12:47 pm

In discussing “quantitative policy analysis” it’s usually best to get basic facts straight. For example, Amazon does NOT monopolize internet commerce; there are millions of providers of goods and services available on the internet. I personally never use Amazon; I almost always use eBay.

Michael
Michael
  A. R. (Rich) Wasem
June 23, 2017 3:24 pm

Online purchases are ten-percent of total retail. Amazon has a way to go.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Michael
June 23, 2017 9:17 pm

does that # include groceries?

Michael
Michael
  TampaRed
June 24, 2017 5:08 pm

Of course not, Tampa. To put things in perspective, Whole Foods has a 1.7% share of the US market and right now Costco is the biggest seller of organic foods. Walmart has a 17% share and really does not compete directly with WFM. Way different customer base. And did you know that WFM sales are about the same as Starbucks’?

In time as the people get sicker and sicker from eating crap food, receive pills, burning, and cutting from the medical profession, and the Fed’s dollar goes to hell, maybe a new food chain will spring up. “Get Real Food” maybe. And buffalo and ground squirrels will once again populate the grassy prairies.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/240481/food-market-share-of-the-leading-food-retailers-of-north-america/

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
June 23, 2017 3:04 pm

“The most conservative position is to resists any discussion of changing gun laws so that is my default position. As a result, I probably have a few things wrong about the gun debate.”
(A) The Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
(B) Therefore, the Second Amendment is the ONLY gun law. All others (especially those that claim to create “gun-free” zones, restrict certain magazines or models, deny concealed carry) are “infringements” and therefore invalid.
If you like, you can try to make a reasoned argument otherwise.

DRUD
DRUD
June 23, 2017 3:12 pm

Zman, you clearly can’t begin to define the word “libertarian.” You mention libertarians MULTIPLE TIMES in EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE and every time it is dripping with contempt. I don’t begin to care what your particular political alignments are (ie what broad and inaccurate term you group yourself wholly into), but please cease spewing the word “libertarians” around without giving the slightest thought to what it means, and how the persons so impugned define their own worldview. For me, it is simply a lens through which to view the world. The State is without a doubt the most evil and corrupt institution in all of human history, but I can certainly admit that it is either a “necessary evil” or simply will always be with us. So, to me, and to millions of us, libertarian simply means to view the world and government through the Jeffersonian ideal that “the government that governs best, governs least.”
I tend to stop reading the second or third time you form a group called “libertarians” in your mind, group many millions of people into it and then dismiss every one of them with both contempt and self-righteousness. Perhaps, I miss out on some or your other thoughts, which are for the most part solid. Perhaps not.

i forget
i forget
  DRUD
June 23, 2017 3:49 pm

Well, he did append an “-ish” this time around. Whatever libertarian-ish is.

Squid
Squid
  DRUD
June 23, 2017 7:31 pm

Do you consider yourself an anarchist? Your slogan, taken literally, asserts that anarchy is the best form of government. No governance is the least possible governance.

DRUD
DRUD
  Squid
June 24, 2017 12:35 am

You don’t read well. It is NOT meant to be taken literally, and even if it were, your statement is ridiculous. As soon as there are 2 individuals in a society, there will be a leader and a follower. Governments form everywhere, throughout history. The Idea is to limit their powers wherever and in whatever way possible. Attempts at argument from people who cannot differentiate between a concept, a paradigm and a literal statement make my head hurt. Good night.

A. R. (Rich) Wasem
A. R. (Rich) Wasem
  Squid
June 24, 2017 11:55 am

Libertarianism is simply the belief that no person should initiate the use of force against another. The word “initiate” is key and provides for the public police function, defense of the polity from outside threats, etc. – i.e., government. The philosophy is, in fact, an offshoot of anarchism, which refuses to countenance any “government” whatsoever because of the manifest dangers of misrule and oppression by the rulers.

Michael
Michael
  A. R. (Rich) Wasem
June 24, 2017 6:32 pm

The “unadulterated” libertarian simply says “don’t harm anyone except in self-defense” and “do what you say you are going to do (referring to contracts).”

The Libertarian Party put up a genuine fool in the last election, so there is major confusion in that party. No wonder outsiders ridicule libertarians in general.

A. R. (Rich) Wasem
A. R. (Rich) Wasem
  Michael
June 25, 2017 12:16 pm

Gary Johnson was/is no “fool”. In fact he was both a successful businessman and subsequently a protector of taxpayers from idiot Democratic Party State legislators during his two terms as New Mexico Governor. I have personally heard him speak to Libertarian groups several times and can assert that he is both intelligent and thoughtful. His minor faux pas during the recent Presidential campaign (with regard to “Aleppo” -and btw who gives a ff about Aleppo now) was of course blown up by the msm presstitutes into a supposedly major “gotcha” moment. It proved absolutely nothing other than being a confirmation (as if any was needed) of their absolute bias against any political point of view other than pure totalitarian socialism. The statement that there are “outsiders” who ridicule libertarians is factually true but totally irrelevant to the questions of the “truth” and efficacy of the underlying philosophy. I am personally a libertarian because I determined that I did not want to, as result of staring into the abyss of modern “culture”, become one of Nietzsche’s “monsters” and I, as well as most of the libertarians I know, am not in the least “confused” on that score.

Michael
Michael
  A. R. (Rich) Wasem
June 25, 2017 8:07 pm

Excellent straw man demolition, Rich.

Did you ever see him become deranged when his interviewer said the words, “illegal immigrants”?
He got crazy because he objected to the word “illegal.” His interviewer was perplexed, of course, and when he used the term again, accurately, Johnson nearly foamed at the mouth. He favors open borders as the Mexicans would become “taxpayers.”

He is also in favor of the Kyoto Treaty and believes all countries must reduce emissions.

In favor of taking in Syrian refugees.

Would have signed the TPP.

He often looked good on paper and I did contribute money in the beginning until I understood he was a Big State guy in disguise. He sure as hell was no Harry Browne or Ron Paul.

A. R. (Rich) Wasem
A. R. (Rich) Wasem
  Michael
June 26, 2017 11:56 am

Michael – Thanks for the info. Of course in theory libertarians are in favor of open borders and I find nothing surprising in Johnson’s position in that regard. Was not aware of the TPP position. I also believe that all countries must reduce emission of pollutants. In any event it’s clear that he would have been (almost) infinitely preferable to either Trump or Felonia von Pantsuit but I never said he was a Browne or Ron Paul – I’m afraid we won’t see their like again – tho I do support Rand; he’s practical enough to potentially get some good things accomplished

Michael
Michael
  Michael
June 27, 2017 12:09 am

https://mises.org/library/open-borders-are-assault-private-property

Rich, libertarians do differ on the immigration issue, but only one side has thought it through.

The trouble with the Libertarian Party is that it is willing to put up candidates who have a foggy notion of what Harry Browne, Ron Paul, Rothbard, and Rockwell consider to be libertarian. The Party strays away constantly and often badly so is ineffective in the longer term. Consistent and accurate has to be the priorities, not the number of votes in the next election which have been piddly and flat.

Downsize DC is a site that has some real thinking going on. And the principals have developed a way to send their (and our) thoughts to the pols in DC.

i forget
i forget
June 23, 2017 3:53 pm

“Progressivism is a religion. “ So’s conservatism. The deity underlying all the variants, tho, is “we.”

Michael
Michael
June 23, 2017 3:58 pm

Choices. Isn’t that the issue, the complaint, the solution, the thing? We all have them by necessity and should someone over us have the power to restrict them? Should killers, thieves, and all other miscreants be corralled somehow? Who, what, why, how, where, and when? Things get complicated fast.

If the parents in a home, a block, a town, a city, a country taught and modeled virtue would we need protective laws? A virtuous person has no choices. He does by habit. He is never conflicted because there is never a choice between doing this or that. He just does the right thing. He does not, for example, give to a child what would benefit himself but which by careful attention to the child he gives what the child needs. Right now parents by the millions find fulfillment, if you can call it that, in giving that which brings pleasure to themselves. And what does the child learn from this. Surely not the meaning of love. And such a child becomes sentimental, selfish, unhappy, violent, a believer in myths, and even a government worker.

We as a people do not have a government problem as much as a parent problem. If we are to alter our future for the better, the focus must be on the source of the problem. No matter what we do to make government better with better laws and wiser pols none of that will improve things nor even prevent things from getting worse, as they always do and always will when governments reach mathematical limits.