Mother should I trust the government?
-Pink Floyd, Mother
Elon Musk just announced that SpaceX abandons propulsive landing plans for Red Dragon mission to Mars.
In my opinion, we should not be surprised.
NASA supposedly used propulsive landing for the Apollo missions to the moon…in 1969.
I ask you to please click the following hyperlinks to read three articles, carefully, watch one 3-1/3 minute video, closely, and then draw your own conclusions about the Apollo Moon landings that we are told occured nearly 50 years ago.
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First, an article from RT, today:
SpaceX abandons propulsive landing plans for Red Dragon mission to Mars
“The reason we decided not to pursue that heavily is that it would have taken a tremendous amount of effort to qualify that for safety for crew transport,” Musk said. “That’s why we are not pursuing it. It could be something that we bring back later, but it doesn’t seem like the right way to apply resources right now.”
Musk added that he did not think that propulsive landing was the best approach.
Second, my article from ZeroHedge, last year, 2016:
I like velcro and used to drink Tang, but about the moon, was NASA really full of horseshit?
” My premise is that President Kennedy wasn’t an aerospace engineer, he was a politician faced with the Russians and their satellites scaring the shit out of his constituency. He called our shot, but we couldn’t make it. So they lied.”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-03/i-velcro-and-used-drink-tang-wa…
Third, an article from Physics Professor, Dr. Oleg Oleynik, in 2012, and updated in 2017*:
A Stereoscopic method of verifying Apollo lunar surface images
“Thus, based on the above examples, this study concludes that the Apollo 15 photographic record does NOT depict real lunarscapes with distant backgrounds located more than a kilometre away from the camera.”
“These pictures were, without doubt, taken in a studio set – up to 300 metres in size. A complex panorama mimicking the lunarscape shows degrees of movement, such as horizontal and vertical changes to give an impression of imaginary distance to the objects and perspective.”
Fourth, a youtube video of the Apollo 11 astronaut press conference upon returning from the moon, July 20,1969*:
Apollo 11 Television Press Conference
* Hat tip to Cognitive Dissonance
Do these three guys, who supposedly just came back from the moon with two of them landing and returning, look and sound like they just came back from the moon?
And here is the full hour and half press conference. Listen to the actual words and sentence structure as well as the body language, which is screaming out-loud disingenuous…
What do you think, now?
Peace, liberty, and prosperity,
h_h
Good article HH, +100.
I didn’t need to read any of that to say that no, we didn’t go to the moon. NASA and its defenders tacitly admit this every time they outline the technical challenges that a moon mission would have to overcome. No adequate explanation is given when we couldn’t just build what we used last time.
Double maybe even triple tin hat article. He should be called the headless_horseshit.
Then he sites comments about Elon Musk – a true fucking idiot. Just today, Musk said his tunnel boring company has verbal approval to bore a tunnel from Boston to DC – for his ‘hyperloop’ bullshit idea. He’s out of his mind.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-20/government-flabbergasted-after-elon-musks-most-bizarre-claim-yet
I would be willing the chip in for the Mars project – if Musk, Gates, Bezos, Steve Hawking, and Zuckerberg were the first to go.
Musk is not stupid,he’s a conman.
As far as confirming that we did not go to the moon,I’d say he was just confirming that Tesla/whatever is burning thru too much cash.
Only the dullest blades still believe we went to the moon. Everyone else hasn’t bothered to really look into it…
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/space/car-maker-send-lunar-rovers-historic-moon-landing-site-n757866
There is footage where they use the same backdrop over and over.
That GIF image is compelling. If it’s not a faked photo (composite of 2 pictures to make it APPEAR to support a faked moon photo), then it’s a blatant NASA lie.
All it takes is one proven lie to know there are most likely many other lies.
You also have to wonder why NASA blurs other moon images:
I used to think that people stating, that the moon landings were faked, were crazy. Now I am not so sure.
Think about how difficult it was for Dragon X to land a rocket back on earth. Over 40 years later…..
Watch the old footage and see the dust kicked up go straight up and fall straight down. Watch the way the rover encounters swells and craters that have no perspective due to no air and low gravity.
I am not saying there was not some production involved for propoganda purposes. Just a mix of the real and the backup.
And when the Lunar Lander takes off from the surface, that is old ionic propulsion tech from WWII.
That is not available to the government anymore. Stuff gets compartmentalized.
Solid rocket fuel is like trying to gas up an SR71. Most of it leaks out, but that is not a design flaw.
Doesn’t matter now , we pissed trillions on space shit and sure we got some nice developments from it . The fact is the weakest link we put in space is human .
As for Elon Musk , he is a welfare queen of the highest order and ranks right up there with a section 8 land lord . Collecting tax payer money for extravigent games and profiting immensely on what would be a none issue for real honest business investments . It’s all BULL SHIT !
Trillions? Do you even know how much that number is?
The cost for the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo programs was more than $25 billion at the time more like $110 billion in today’s world. The ensuing U.S. space efforts have cost an additional $196 billion for the shuttle and $50 billion for the space station. NASA’s total inflation-adjusted costs have been more than $900 billion since its creation in 1958 through 2014 (more than $16 billion per year).
https://news.utexas.edu/2014/07/21/anniversary-shows-us-that-nasa-and-space-exploration-are-worth-their-costs
You are leaving out the military expenses and the retirement benefits from space shuttles blowing up the navy ships operating etc … maybe not trillions but a fuck ton of money pissed away in too many cases !
I think that is included in the costs cited above. The military costs are probably factored into the sums. Don’t forget NASA also provides services and support to military missions and reconnaissance.
There are two books worth reading: one has a title something like, What the natives of the Americas gave the world. A second book has a similar title, What the man on the moon gave the world.
You’d be surprised to learn you got more than tang from the space program. I’d go so far as to say, if not for the space program, we’d all be speaking Russian today. The Russians threw down the glove and Kennedy, for all his faults, stood up to the challenge. Maybe it was a bad call to say, ‘by the end of the decade’ but he didn’t blink. He didn’t blink in Berlin and he didn’t blink in Cuber.
If you know anything about history, it was LBJ who took us into a jungle war and started the welfare state. Nixon expanded it and started the war on drugs. Let’s see, a space program or a welfare state? What benefits have we gotten from the welfare program, rap music?
Military industrial complex bull shit , the Cold War threats all intentional to promote a bogey man to defend us from as for NASA everything that research produced we paid for in spades . We covered the cost the R&D and wow we get to pay to use what we paid to develop !
Like buying a car and not being allowed to drive it
The military has a separate and classified space program. What do you think they’ve spent all that Pentagon money on they can’t (or won’t) account for? What is it now, $6-7 Trillion? NASA is just theater for the rubes.
If the landings happened, then it is true that there are clear studio photos mixed in with the supposed “real ones.” Why would they mix studio photos with real ones if it actually happened? Answer of course is they would not, so something’s amiss.
Complete crap article, author should triple amount of tin foil in his hat and have some also in his underpants.
If US did not go to moon and claimed it did, it would have been a field day for Soviet Union. They would be all over it to show how evil capitalists are lying.
Maybe Trump was colluding with the USSR at the time, and was blackmailing just about everyone in the US who could have a clue. Don’t wish to be too speculative…
heck,we all know the cold war was faked-the zionists run everything–
i bet khruschev and nixon made love after the kitchen debate–
Drb6
The Russians keep that as a ace up the sleeve for blackmail. They knew it was a lie from day one.
Some things are more valuable as a bargaining chip.
I don’t care if it was faked or not. It gave me an excuse to be allowed to stay up late that night and watch the “supposed” moon landing and then skip school the next day.
I’ve been to the moon several times.
It’s called Sudbury in Canada.
And you don’t have to drive through the Van Allen belt to get there.
I don’t, for one second, believe we went to the moon. I did when I was young. Now I don’t believe anything the .gov says.
Don’t know if the moon landing is true or not but 2 points to consider.
Countless telescopes worldwide watching the trip and no-one saw it reach the moon or indeed the return journey.
Then there’s the matter of the laser reflector on the moon that we currently bounce a laser off to provide the distance between us and the moon. If we didn’t go to the moon who put the reflector there? Then again lasers were only invented a few years earlier so who would have thought to take one for that purpose.
Old computers
No relay satellites
Antique radios
Discrete components and solder connections
Fuel
Unnecessary payload
Golf cart rover
Golf club
Huge movie cam and portable camera
No space sickness, raised hair from zero-grav
No quarantine
No umbilical for breathing, heating or cooling
No pics of sun or reflection of sun on visor
No emotion fitting to the occasion
Casual reaction to reduced gravity
Golf cart should have lower traction
TV signal from that distance would require a large antenna and plenty of power in addition to a repeater.
All the above makes it hard to accept that they could do it almost 50 years ago. Yet Columbus discovered a whole new world 525 years ago.
Is this faked , too ?
https://www.space.com/14874-apollo-11-landing-site-moon-photo.html
Yep. You don’t think Photoshop (or the multi-million dollar software they waste our money on) couldn’t put all that together? Please. Consider the source – NASA.
“Space may be the final frontier
but it’s made in a Hollywood basement” –
Red Hot Chili Peppers, “Californication”
Weird Willard, I look up at the sky and know for sure that space is real.
I absolutely do not think we went to the moon, but as for the propulsive landing concept, the moon has significantly lower gravitational pull than mars, so more energy would need to be expended, and without a parachute/backup plan, one wrong thing could spell disaster (that is if you could actually safely make it past the Van Allen belts in the first place).
Why do moon landing conspiracies live on?
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Apollo-11-Moon-Landing-Conspiracies-9147820.php
Horrible analysis. Weak, listless and written for the grammar school level reader.
More importantly it fails to address the single most important reason unrepentant liars are not trustworthy.
I want to give one more great big “FUCK YOU” to the moon-landing deniers on this site. You pathetic idiots actually think that our Federal Government could pull-off such a hoax?? No fucking way.
First of all, it would involve tens of thousands of people ‘in on it’. No way that happens without leaks. Second: half of the 15 astronauts involved in the moon landings are now dead. Some of them would have surely ‘come clean’ on their death-beds, or ‘spilled the goods’ to their wives or girlfriends in the last 48 years. Nope, not one peep or hint. Third: the moon rocks have been distributed amongst hundreds of great Universities that have the world’s top geologists. None of them have even remotely suggested that they could have been from anywhere on Earth, or manufactured for deception. That’s a lot of highly credible people against any assertion that the moon-landing was faked.
This is fascinating to me to see how people will accept an insane and irrational idea just because someone presents the lie with self-assured bravado. A PhD candidate in psychology has a winning dissertation in waiting if they explore this phenomenon.
First they deny the creation story because man didn’t do it. Then they deny the moon landing because god didn’t do it. They deny the holocaust, that the Indians were here first, they would deny anything as fake news that they don’t agree with.
Vodka, Normal people, meaning the sheeple people, believe everything reported on the TV as news. Only after you have quit TV for a minimum of 6 months will you be capable of independent thought. Compartmentalization allows huge programs such as the Manhattan Project to be co-opted by the psychopaths at the top. How many soldiers do you think understand that they are fighting for the bankers, not for our freedom. Your assertion regarding moon rocks is probably incorrect. Some funny stories on that subject, stolen from NASA, given to foreign dignitaries, etc. But don’t believe everything you read. I suppose you accepted the 911 Commission’s report as truth. But you are normal, so I give you that. Normal people generally avoid this site. That’s a good thing.
Deranged Dano,
Please seek help. I will pray for you.
Deranged I’ll take as a compliment. Normal is not something to strive for. Thanks!
Everyone working on Apollo was seriously siloed (meaning they had NO association, collaboration, etc. with anyone else). This was all supposedly about “national security.” The numbers of people who knew the “big picture” were quite small, and were filled with the ranks of the compliant boot-lickers, globalists, and other types that ONLY advance through blind obedience. A conspiracy of this magnitude would NOT have involved tens of thousands in any way. Governments lie. That is what they do. They are illegitimate constructs that base their existence on force, violence, propaganda, and fear. We NEEDED to go to the Moon because we had already lost the race to space to the Soviets. The Cold War was essential to big-business profits and government power. We were going to get there even if mother nature wasn’t going to allow it. And FU right back for blindly believing the lies of the greatest liar in the history of mankind – the US government.
Vodka, you wrote the following-“…the moon rocks have been distributed amongst hundreds of great Universities that have the world’s top geologists. None of them have even remotely suggested that they could have been from anywhere on Earth, or manufactured for deception.”
But that’s not the truth. I don’t blame you for not being aware of the fact that you believe something that is false, only of promoting a falsehood with such authority without first doing the research to make your point. That’s not calculated deception, but it is lazy and you should make informed comments when you set out to ridicule others for their ignorance or gullibility.
And that’s another aspect of this entire debate. People believe things without first knowing what they are talking about because they have been told something by people in positions of authority. We trust them because of their position or experience, but it doesn’t mean that trust is always well placed. I don’t know if we went to the Moon or not, I’ve said it multiple times, but I no longer believe the official account because the people who should know and are in the position to divulge the facts have manufactured so many fraudulent aspects that they no longer have any credibility and my rule is not to trust the word of known liars and fraudsters.
YMMV.
“A moon rock given to the Dutch prime minister by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 has turned out to be a fake. Curators at Amsterdam’s Rijksmuseum, where the rock has attracted tens of thousands of visitors each year, discovered that the “lunar rock”, valued at £308,000, was in fact petrified wood.
Xandra van Gelder, who oversaw the investigation, said the museum would continue to keep the stone as a curiosity.
“It’s a good story, with some questions that are still unanswered,” she said. “We can laugh about it.”
I don’t see anything at all funny about it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/6105902/Moon-rock-given-to-Holland-by-Neil-Armstrong-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html
Point taken, HSF. Moon rocks were gifted to 135 nations and all 50 states though. The Holland rock was a fraud, yes, but still an anecdote.
My main point is that it is too big of a hoax to pull off. No way they risk being discredited forever over such a claim.
Also, the tone of my comment was just a mirror of what was being dished out.
You all do realize that we acheived soft propulsive landings on the Moon even earlier than Apollo 11, with the Lunar Surveyors; as did the Russians, with Luna 9 and shortly thereafter with the Lunokhod rovers ?
Landing on Mars is a very different matter . It’s gravity is greater than the Moon’s. It has an atmosphere – and winds . It’s a lot further away, the process would need to be totally autonomous .
And, a parachute is a lot lighter than the fuel you’d need to attempt a pure propulsive landing technique .
I’m convinced that some people are so invested in the Fake Landing conspiracy that, in the future, when the landing sites are eventually revisited, they will claim that they are fabrications put in place by later visitors as part of the coverup process .
It is an odd way to act, but maybe the post mission debrief had just gotten to be like every other boring ass military debriefing to these guys. I hated the post mission debriefs for every stupid flight, as if we hadn’t done that a hundred times.
So, if it is an act by the astronauts, it is some really terrible acting. They almost look and act tired and bored.
Like the first echelon of astronaut bureaucracy justifying its own existence maybe.
And they returned home alive. Me, I’d be grinning like an idiot.
I agree. My husband says I should remember it was a different culture.
If we can put a rover on mars, it’s conceivable we put men on the moon, van allen’s belt be damned.
I was on the beach 3 miles from the launch pad on July 16, 1969. Just because some simpletons don’t want to believe technical achievements are possible, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
The comment about believing the 911 commission is a crock of shite. I can tell you one thing, though. If I was one of the astronauts returning home from the most heroic and risky achievement known to man, not surpassed even today, and they’re acting uncomfortable, maybe, just maybe, they’re overcome with emotion. Way too many arm chair quarterbacks on this one to change my mind. I’ve given the arguments presented here serious consideration, but I believe the US Govt has some sci-fi type weapons they can use on demand, enough to stop the Russians or Chinese in their tracks if they ever tried to seriously challenge the US. The US demonstrated it to the Russians in Afghanistan, and Russia backed off in the Ukraine.
Keep the tinfoil hats for Area 51. Of the moon landing deniers here, any of you believe in aliens? That would just about fit. The same lunacy required to believe in aliens is needed to disbelieve the moon landing. I reserve the right to be wrong about the moon landing, not aliens. I’m not wrong about that. They don’t exist.
Since you witnessed the launch of Apollo 11, perhaps you can answer this question: Did the trajectory remain vertical or did it transition to horizontal? If the latter, there’s all the proof you need. Fuel optimization requires a vertical escape from Earth’s gravity.
So, they go straight up ( let’s disregard the Earth’s own rotation for the moment ), get to the desired height, then turn hard right, and viola ! they’re in orbit ?
Physics doesn’t work that way .
I think I need to clarify my musings on the topic, ONLY to make sure we are all on the same step with my tin foil hat checklist. I do not deny we put men on the moon but only that the official story might be skewed.
But, as I find my perspective shifting as I open up my “case closed” box to review what I know in light of new input data (whether validated or NOT, considering the moon landings a potential hoax after a lifetime of accepting them as matter of fact no questions asked is “NEW INPUT DATA), I do seem to find more reason to pull other “cases” I thought closed from the box for review.