Guest Post by The Zman
One of the many concepts that has entered the mainstream from the Dissident Right is signalling. It’s first appearance came as criticism of social justice warriors, who were signalling their virtue by opposing someone or some thing, real or imagined. Virtue signalling is not new. It has probably been a part of human society since people began to settle into agricultural communities. Scipio Africanus, the great Roman general, who defeated Hannibal at Zama, was also famous for his virtue signalling.
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These days, you will hear guys on the alt-right talk about counter-signalling. The easiest example of this is the newly minted rich guy going out and buying expensive display items, like cars or gaudy homes. NBA players are prone to this. They want to signal their wealth by acquiring highly visible, expensive items. An old money guy, in contrast, counter-signals by living in an old farmhouse that has been in the family for generations and driving a 40 year old Saab. He’s the sort of rich that feels no need to advertise it.
Signalling is a basic human trait. We all do it to one degree or another. Walk into a prison and you will see an array of tattoos on the inmates. These will signal gang affiliations, time served in the system, facilities in which the inmate has served and the individual’s violence capital. That last part is an important part of keeping the peace. To civilians, a face tattoo is always scary, but in jail, the right neck tattoo can tell other inmates that they are in the presence of an accomplished killer for a particular prison gang.
Virtue signalling and danger signalling are the easiest to understand, but people also use verbal and non-verbal signals to indicate trust or test the trustworthiness of others. A criminal organization, for example, will have a new member commit a pointless crime to demonstrate their trustworthiness. This is not just to sort out police informants, as is portrayed on television. It’s mostly to ascertain the willingness of the person to commit to the life of the organization. It’s hard to be a criminal if you will not commit crimes.
Outlaw biker culture is a good example of the use of signalling to establish trust relationships. Bikers have always, for example, adopted Nazi symbols as part of their display items. Bikers are not sitting around reading Julius Evola. What they are doing is signalling their complete rejection of the prevailing morality. By adopting taboo symbols and clothing, the outlaw biker is letting other bikers know his status, as much as he is letting the squares know he is a dangerous guy, who should be avoided.
This type of signalling is also defensive. Someone who is not serious or unprepared for life in a motorcycle club will try hard to hide this from himself and the club he is trying to impress. When those club members all have visible tattoos and swastikas on their vests, no one can kid themselves about what is expected from members. The visual presentation of the outlaw biker does more to chase away posers and trouble makers than character tests and initiation rituals. A biker is a walking entrance exam for prospects.
It’s not just an in-group/out-group thing. When you start prospecting for a biker club, you are routinely forced to choose between the moral framework of society and the morality of the club. The same process works in cults, interestingly enough. The prospect is always in a position where he must either divorce himself emotionally from his old life and the old world, or leave the club. It’s why one percenter clubs take their time patching in new members. It takes time to leave the old world and fully commit to the lifestyle.
That’s the way to read the alt-right and the stuff they say and do on-line with respect to non-whites, Jews and women. They don’t actually spend a lot of time talking and writing about these groups. They spend most of their time talking about how to organize themselves, the issues that face white identity movements and the philosophical points of their thing. The offensive memes and the racists language are mostly signalling. If you freak out over Hitler themed twitter avatars, then you are never going to be in their thing.
As with bike culture, it is defensive signalling to ward off entryists and the posers, but it is also a signal that joining their thing is more than just a secret handshake. If you are on-line talking about white identity, you’re never going back to the squaresville world of normie politics. You are rejecting that world as illegitimate in favor of the new thing. In effect, the racist memes are an offer. Accept it as a price of admission, but understand that by accepting the offer you are leaving the old morality behind for the new moral framework.
What this sort of signalling suggests is that the alt-right may have more staying power and more momentum, than their current numbers would suggest. Political movements come and go because they are rooted in the moment. “Free Silver” stopped being a rally cry once the currency issue was put to bed. The “Happy Warrior” stuff from the prior generation no longer has any relevance, as those ideological wars are now a part of history. Political movements are born to die, as soon as their issue is resolved.
The other thing about political movements is they are inherently open. The whole point of the Tea Party, for example, was to rally a lot of people from different ideologies to challenge the Progressives, who sacked Washington. The Tea Party people welcomed anyone who opposed the bailouts and reckless spending that was ushered in by Obama and the Democrats. That openness is what allowed the army of grifters from Conservative Inc to sail in and hijack the movement, turning it into a fundraising arm of the GOP.
Cultural movements, like identity or race movements, are closed and exclusive. They certainly seek to grow their numbers, but only on their own terms. They place narrow rules on members and never accept divided loyalties. You are either in the thing or outside the thing. There is no in between. This is why the American Left has been so persistent and able to re-spawn after each collapse. It’s not a list of agenda items. It’s a lifestyle with a moral code and a wide array of symbols for the members to accept and display.
That’s what is evolving with the alt-right. There’s no way to be “sort of alt-right.” You’re either in it or you’re not in it. That’s become clear with the schism between the civ-nat guys and the alt-right. Rejecting a guy like Milo Yiannopoulos forces guys like Gavin McInness to decide. He can be edgy TV funny guy or he can be in the alt-right and everything that implies. The result is his thing is dissolving as some people bite the bullet and join the alt-right, while others go back to sleep.
The jury is still out as to whether the alt-right is the long hoped for response to the rise of the New Left in the 1960’s. Ironically, the worst thing that could happen for the alt-right is for Trump to be everything his critics in Washington claim. White identity politics can only flourish when whites believe they must be an intolerant minority, battling other intolerant minorities for space. What is clear is that the alt-right is not another Tea Party. It has staying power because it is a cultural movement, not a political one.
¹The title of this post comes from this excellent book, Codes of the Underworld.
Disagree how ZMAN defines alt-right, but I will defer to those that are obviously more in tune.
There is truth behind the memes, otherwise they wouldn’t work, but their secondary purpose is indeed to be digital equivalents of these:
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They represent the beheading and contempt for ideas that are not welcome beyond that point.
Case in point: People promoting “diversity” are in fact promoting white genocide. They perceive the pushback as “white supremacy” when in reality it is white defense. The flaw is not in the use of a Hitler meme to shock their system… but in the Diversitopian’s failure to recognize or admit what they are actually doing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwV-DOHSz1k
EXACTLY, Razzle…Thanks, GREAT video!!
Sending the right signals is important, defining the movement is even better.
Alt Right according to Vox Popoli:
https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html
oldtoad………….I like that definition as it fits me pretty damn good; and it is quite different than given by Zman.
KoKo- Help me out, what fits you pretty damn good? Be VERY specific.
Tribalism, greed and a propensity to form a hierarchy are endemic to species. It is our mission. Of course, there are those who deny this vehemently, and even a few, like many members of TBP that prefer an observational perch.
I love my White, European, Christian culture. Prefer the look of my own women. Believe in minimal government, deplore Socialism, or exploitation. As an American child in the very early 1960’s, I believed the limited marketing messages fed to me by parent(s), school, Gubermint, medicine, science and media. What the hell did I know?
Having grown up, and having self-eviscerated every one of those shibboleths, I find myself looking to join a Nation Tribe more in tune with my beliefs. This is now a deeply Socialist/Fascist/Globalist nation that has subsidized shit for 70+ years, and got a lot more of it.
You can call me Alt-Whatever, I just want out of Kalifornia, the USA and a system that seems to despise me as it exploits me. And yes, I have resources, multi-degreed and have lived the ethereal American Dream. Time to wake up.
Anything that might shock or wake up the goyim is good. We are being fed poision through the Jewish media, and people are sucking it up. Especially the LBGTXYZ agenda.
White is not an identity. It’s not even a specific color. Affinity groupings as substitutes for identity is a… thing. A borg thing. A matrix thing. A fondue pot melted thing. And all those rubic Goldberg cubic things are as “square” as it gets. “Stay away from crowds” – those are prison squares of 3-d pretend.
Albinos unite! Lol….
Frankensteins, lookin’ for free ride
Just as soon as all the other non-identities stop profiting from claiming to being victims of the non-white identity then you’ll stop hearing about white identity.
Raz…words are too problematic to take seriously…but. Theft is not profit. And I can’t see joining this or that brotherhood of the ring to “beat” ‘em.
Besides, I’ve known shining exemplars, & shits, of most colors. People are people, iow. Actions speak louder than colors.
If I go to China it is my responsibility to prove to the Chinese that they should want me around and they are under no obligation to accept me, especially if I’m actively bringing over behaviors and attitudes that are overtly opposite of their way of life AND wanting to bring more people like me over.
There is only one general culture on the planet who has opened their doors and they are being *crushed* for doing so.
You are right, actions have spoken very very loudly and the results and consequences of the actions of millions of individuals rejecting any responsibility to adopt the customs of the culture they are being welcomed into are clear.
Well, dosey-do’h, raz. (That’s square dance + homer simpson terminology.) What’s your china trip got to do with the thread, other than pulling to unravel it?
But ok. Two threads. Diverged in a yellow, china syndrome, wood….
http://www.davidpbrown.co.uk/poetry/robert-frost.html
If you are wont to believe china, or other, govcrats decide your responsibilities, that’s your business. Dosey-do’h with them, submit to them, if you like. The only way of life that has anything to do with me, matters to me, is mine own. But that’s just me, living the just life – which is just to say a life bounded by the prerogatives that are the same for every individual person…including those that attempt to hide themselves by dissolving into gangs.
Being told how to live, be, by govcrats – or, effectively, proxy wannabe’s for such: culturalists, religionists, racists, nationalists, tribalists, whatever – is more of an au jus life, you know, that borg-shaped beef bouillon cube stuff dissolved in fluoridated water. You don’t know how nasty that frankenfood stuff is until you’ve low & slow’d your own bone broth at home.
No obligation to accept cuts both ways. If it doesn’t, it’s an uber-unter, master-slave scene. You can have it. Leave me out of it. I insist. And have insisted, to the fullest, not inconsiderable, extent possible, since I was a boy.
Mormons, mammons, wutans, wotans all the clans & clubs are fine by me – to the extent they are voluntary & do not trespass.
Crushed. From outset & beginning. Because there are too many people like you. There always has been & there will likely always be. And by too many I refer to sss (shoot-shovel-shutup); not enough ammo or cemetary space…or time to waste. Hierarchical go-along-get-along is punk, but it’s also biological imperative. To punk. And to be punked. Mostly. But mostly is unacceptable to the imperators. Full submission is required to assuage all that insecurity.
The crushing does indeed matter. What the crushers\crushees (bribe-makers & bribe-takers) look like, where they’re from, ethnicity, iq, blah-blah-blah doesn’t matter at all. That’s all jaybird emperor’s robe embroidery.
Arguments from generalization & shibboleth don’t matter at all either…well, except that those are less than zero, net negative. Destructive destruction does matter – it’s a pernicious ill.
People who self-righteously control freak (cowardice is all that is) & take it upon themselves to define the hindmost (often conjunct defining the future with their testosterone-free crystal balls) & then say let the devil take them *are* the devils.
A significant aspect or component of this cowardice is often minimized as merely laziness – but laziness is just cowardice in the face of work, here the work of assaying case by case, individual by individual. Instead, the cowards subscribe to kill ‘em all & let god sort ‘em out. All that “minority report” pre-crime nonsense. But nobody’s guilty until they are. That Somali shooter’s guilty, mostly, of being a cop•per clad coin in a fiat hegemony (lol), & what he did does not serve to indict Somali’s en masse. Which is a fact massman manages to mismanage.
It’s so simple: when you trespass, against whomever, you forfeit your personhood, become a thing.
I think the only true responsibility is to read. For comprehension. Not to be inscribed or tattooed or jumped into any of the gangs…so reading, for comprehension, necessarily entails a lot of erasing of graffiti others have defaced your walls with…to get at the real writing, the true stuff, underneath. But that obviously only applies to, makes sense in terms of, individuals. Which mass•people are terrified of, & of being. Mass•people, projecting, see only other mass•people. Any individuals, or “outliers,” who get caught in the righteous crossfire are collateral damage & “don’t matter.” Besides, who do they think they are, to be individuals, rather than gangsters, anyway? Right? Or should I say alt-right?
Nothing “alt” about it. Same old self\less(camouflagedissolved) right•eousness.
Norman says “rage against the machine” down-thread. Cool. I watched Tim Ferris interview Tom Morello. Irish(cast as the niggers of Europe, once upon a time)-Peruvian mother, Kikuyu Kenyan father (who abandoned mother & son when he was very young). Self taught master guitarist. A real musician. Smart. Creative. Talks fast & well. Interesting guy. Some Marxist tinge? I don’t care. Ideologies aren’t any more problematic, in themselves, than greed is. It’s the roman transmissions that redrum (the shining) rubbers the roads to\from romes everywhere & when.
All the different alt’s are ever concerned with is becoming\controlling the roman transmission. And all that is is one alt hacking at the branches supporting those other alts which are all also hacking at the branches supporting all the other alts, including the white* one “that matters.” Arboreal arborist monkeys see\do. And emulation’s mere circle jerkin’ flattery identity…we jack off therefore we are. That there’s the meme that screams, except there’s no me’s in it, just we’s. Weme?
Would that it were all alts stage be not the world but only Altamont, with its Hells Angels security. Let them hack each others’ cake. Let it bleed & gimme shelter indeed.
There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root.” – Henry David Thoreau
Thanks for the exercise.
*To be on the pride take for something you had nothing to do with – like the color of your skin, your hide(out…Dr. Jekyll) – is absurd. To be on the vicarious pride take for what other individuals who happen to have skins similar to yours did raises absurdity to an exponent. Nair takes the hair off & narrative glues it back on. It’s a beard, like female wives are for closeted homosexual men.
You write of the elevated status of “whateverism” from within the warm womb and left over momentum of a culture that protects you from having to make hard decisions or defend yourself from those who care not one whit about your personhood, only what you have.
You will protest “But my good sir, such behavior forfeits your personhood!!!” and they laugh and say “Yes, but you forfeit your goods or your life and perhaps your wife.”
— “To be on the pride take for something you had nothing to do with – like the color of your skin, your hide(out…Dr. Jekyll) – is absurd.”
Indeed it is. It is also absurd to write quasi-clumsy-poetics you know few will read and fewer will comprehend… yet you still do it.
What is not absurd however, is to recognize if a trait you had nothing to do with is being targeted and notice that the “it’s no big deal” folks have been wrong for a very long time.
Now you may choose the lofty goals of whateverism… just a leaf on the wind… until a leaf under a boot. Not all do. There is a difference between taking pride in something and declining to be ashamed of something… and a difference between believing in the supremacy of something and believing in the preservation of something.
China matters not because their government is good, but because the chinese people no more deserve to have me go over and disrupt their ability to live their lives the way they prefer than I have to go disrupt the mormons and their way of self organizing.
“Leave me out of it. I insist. And have insisted, to the fullest, not inconsiderable, extent possible, since I was a boy.”
That part precludes your assumption about warm womb time. Subtext corollary, what I “owe” to the womb that so many pretend to own – superior white culture & all – & thereby feel justified in dictating a fee schedule my way…that’s prerogative ignorance. For purposes of this exercise, let’s call it “white man’s burden.”
Are you assume-projecting your experience\s onto me? How much do think you can accurately glean, surmise about me, based on some posts I’ve made, as regards hard decisions (they get easier with practice, especially if practice starts young), how many practice\exercise intersects I’ve had with people who don’t know, or care, what their prerogatives are, & gambled trespass my way?
The larger point is, all those street intersects are as nothing compared to the trespasses borne, juggled, slipped, taken & written off that have come, still come, my way – & most others’ way too – via “momentum of a culture” that considers me, everybody in it, as indentured property. If I could trade big bro & his minion hordes for the garden variety prerogative-lobotomized, I wouldn’t hesitate. And it would be the best trade I ever made. I do have plenty of ammo & cemetery space & time for those latter day taints.
“Thanks for the exercise.”
Yes, I still do it. I’ve been exercising variously most of my life. Exercise is not absurd. And diversion is, or can be, the pause that refreshes. I usually do the in-flight magazine crosswords, too. This is like that, only sometimes a bit more interactive. The audience, or whoever joins the jam, is not the point beyond whatever exercise I take from it. I’m not pitching, selling, trying to convince, convert, proselytize, or harmonize with a choir, or entertain anyone (but myself). I can’t take any of that seriously. Nor words, for that matter. They are as toys. Tinker. Leggo. Etc. Or music. Something to be played (with). But I do enjoy myself. I do some refresh reps most days. Reading is fun•damental, & writing is the process of uncovering the reading.
The big deal is being target tattoo’d by big bro & minions. One does what one can, that score. Which does not include joining them because they can’t be beaten. Value is subjective but all vichy French care about is quantity…not that caring about it means you necessarily get it (life is like a box of chocolates)…doesn’t mean anything. What’s absurd, usually (I have come up short a few times) is some p-lob targeting me or mine.
“Whateverism” (dismissive on the outside, reality avoidant on the inside) ~ que sera sera, melodic & true…& unafraid…or at least receptive, accepting, limitation-knowing ~ applies to you as much as to me as much as to anybody. Control is an illusion. Control freak is a pathology. But also a majority humanimal biology. Catch-22. Being freaked out “in advance” may seem like preparation, but it’s not. Having a high-strung nervous system in advance, is what it is. Everybody has to play – be played by – the hand dealt.
The relevant thing is that scared shitless might…don’t make right. And that you & the white vanity combine couldn’t stop what’s coming even if you knew what it was – which you don’t. All this linear destiny is demography is bearing down the precipice is just so much warmed over Malthus, that guy Julian Simon wagered & won (some, lose some), peak oil, etc ad nauseum. Doom stays in bloom. Cuz it’s a wax works, a taxidermy…a common nervous system configuration.
If you haven’t seen\experienced enough of the road, or thought enough, to recognize this yet, maybe watch NCFOM 10x in a row, or however many times it takes, until it is a CFoneOM in particular, namely you; just a thoughtspit into the wind. But I don’t mess around with Jim, or (mu)Slim – unless they come at me, mine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTp5EkacwOs
So, who cares what this or that massman has to say? Not me, mang. Except for whatever exercise & play & pause-refresh value, of course.
I didn’t note which leaf I transcribed this from, but good chance it was Allan Bloom’s “Giants & Dwarfs” (or maybe “The Closing of the American Mind”):
“Socrates urges men not to let what is out of their control to affect their action. They should separate out their hopes & fears from their understanding & manfully follow the prescriptions of what true knowledge they possess. They must not let their passionate aspirations corrupt that knowledge. But such a solution is not satisfactory to most men; they must see the world in such a way that their personal ambitions have a cosmic status. The fate of an individual man is no more significant to the knower of man than is the fate of a particular leaf to the botanist. The way of the knower is unacceptable for the life of men & cities. They must see a world governed by providence & the gods, a world in which art & science are inexplicable, a world which confuses general & particular, nature & chance. This is the world of poetry to which man clings to intensely, for it consoles & flatters him. As long as human wishes for the significance of particular existences dominate, it remains impossible to discover nature, the intelligible & permanent order, for nature cannot satisfy those wishes. Ion cannot imagine an art of the whole because, as rhapsode, he most of all serves the longing for individual immortality, & he uses his poetry to that end. The effect of this longing for immortality on the soul is illuminated by Socrates’ comparison of the enthusiastic diviners & rhapsodes with the Bacchic or Corybantic dancers. The fear of death, the most profound kind of fear & the most powerful of passions, moves them until they are out of their minds, & they can be healed only in the fanatic religious practice. In the Ion, Socrates points to the most important source of religious fanaticism & suggests that the function of that kind of poetry which is taken most seriously is to heal this fear & console man in his awareness of his threatened existence. This poetry irrationally soothes the madness in all of us. It is a useful remedy but a dangerous one. Fanaticism is often the result. The man who most believes the poet’s stories is likely to be most intolerant of those who do not. Socrates, the philosopher who tests the stories as well as those who tell them, is a menace to the sense of security provided by them. It is precisely overcoming this concern with oneself, in all its subtle & pervasive forms, that is *the* precondition of philosophy & a rational account of one’s own life. Poetry, as Ion administers it to suffering man, gives a spurious sense of knowledge while really serving & watering the passions hostile to true knowledge. While a philosopher is truly a citizen of the world, in that his pursuit is essentially independent of the opinions or consent of any group of men, the political man needs a country & a people to serve. Ion has no satisfactions which are not dependent on the approval of his spectators. He needs the city as they need him. For political men the accident of where they are born is decisive in limiting their possibilities of fulfillment. The philosopher, of course, begins, as do all men, in the cave; & he pays the strictest attention not only to particular or individual things but to their shadows. But the difference between him & other men is that he learns that they are only shadows – shadows which give us access to the truth – whereas they believe the shadows are the real things & are passionately committed to that belief. That is what cave-dwelling means. The cave must always remain cave, so the philosopher is the enemy of the prisoners since he cannot take the non-philosophers’ most cherished beliefs seriously. Similarly, Socrates does care for other men; but only to the extent that they, too, are capable of philosophy, which only a few are. Only they are capable of true virtue. To the extent that the philosopher turns some men to the light, he robs the cave-dwellers of allies. It is not because he lives in the sun, out of the cave, that I say that the philosopher is at tension with the city; his problem is due precisely to the fact that he is in it, but in a way different from that of other men.”
All that good stuff said, old Soc had everything in one sock. It was a big sock, to be sure. But a man’s got 2 feet. While martyrmen insist on hopping on just one. Soc was a political man, too, or he’d have split – his friends had everything set up for him – not sipped (the hemlock). The slippery massmen slope prevailed – well, murder-suicide pact’d – again.
Sisyphus ain’t no sissy, but the gerbil-wheel just keeps on spinning, & the Sisy’s can’t help but keep on steppin’. Camus tries to help with the rationalization that boulder-rolling – gerbiling — ain’t so bad after all. Camus’s cool, like Luke, but I disagree.
Makework. What’s your dirt doin’ in Boss Keen’s ditch, Boss Shorty’s yard ∞, Luke? Even better q: wtf are you doing in a penal farm chaingang, Luke? Beyond ‘script says,’ I mean. (Is there anything beyond script says?) Well, keep shakin’ that leafy bush, cuz failure to communicate, comprehend, is a permanent error. And the twin bookend is how that penal crowd abandons Luke once he’s been broken, however temporarily, on his way to church.
Planned obsolescence is selected for, hardwired, machine coded, a loved & admired & feared compulsion, & junk yards, landfills & cemeteries are ready for big sleep storage. Humanimal, mostly, was prolly a tool before the first flint was knapped. Human condition just is. And it’s bigger than any windmill. Go ahead & tilt at it, if your wiring says you must. All anyone can do is what they gotta’ do. If that weren’t so, the static-stasis spiral of history would be the linear so many worship, or at least much more so than it isn’t & hasn’t been, rather than the rhyme in time that kills nine…out of nine. Yes, we have no immortality. Banana peelers & peels, we got plenty.
As for Chinese mormons, as I said, “do not disrupt” cuts both ways. More generically: minding one’s own business is a good idea. Of course, you gotta’ know what your own business is, before you can mind it.
Thanks for the exercise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oudNoKfNUfs
So your long-winded spaghetti post boils down to… TL/DR.
China for the Chinese, Africa for the Africans, and white-dominated countries for the fondue pot?
Melting medieval cathedrals with bedouin tents and grass huts to become the greatest windthrown firetraps for quadroon Marxists to wonderfully play their guitar?
What’s curious is he says this…
— “to the extent they are voluntary & do not trespass. ”
… without realizing that the entire point being made by my post and others in here is they are saying “no thanks” to that which has not been voluntary and is trespassing.
By saying “We would like to stop allowing certain people to continue to trespass and force us into things we did not volunteer for” we are then accused of being those forcing on others and trespassing.
He agrees without realizing it.
Pre-crime is an impossible fiction, raz. Not trespass.
MN if it’s too long for you don’t read it. Don’t bother with the narcissism of small differences, either. Steel, stainless white, pots & black kettles spending their lives being a color are not Tao, but they are the woebegone way of many.
forgetful, when I mentioned that a few Germans were imprisoned along with the Jews, the point I was making is that ethnic cleansing will lead to the murder of not only blacks and browns but whites too. Not all whites are blond, blue-eyed motherfuckers.
Nothing whitens the skin like money. – Captain Larson
White is an identity, not a racial category. Money is one aspect of whiteness. That’s why the black community said that OJ hadn’t been black since he won the Heisman.
I’m getting tired of all this AltRight ignorance being spread around like manure.
EC…german blond, blue-eyed otherfucker here. (All the way back afaik. But not *all* the way back. Who cares? Not me. Like the weather, it has nothing to do with me.) White ain’t my identity. Blond & blue, either. Hair dye & contacts wouldn’t be, either.
Archetyping keyboarders disagree, obviously, but it’s such a short step from heuristic to hew•atavistic. Gotta’ keep the furniture Scandinavian, even if it is just veneer over particle board. Must be true. Ever walk the spiral inside an IKEA universe? lol…
Yeah, well•but•rin, tin, tin, when the dog whistle blew, that colorful jury decided he was a black who mattered, after all. The woman who made the mistake of being that narcissists wife sure didn’t matter.
Alt whatever’s just a newer name for the same old games that people play. Transactional analysis traders are always with ye. Subsidized, not subject to mark to market (until they are…but until then, other people pay the freight).
Saw this flick recently, “Australia.” Temporal setting was just cusp of ww2. The politically correct leads were otherfuckers, just like Quigley was, when he went down under (but art can imitate life…such people do exist, genuinely, politics irrelevant…consider me representative). But the sweep was all these Aussies, descendants, extensions, of criminals & rejects, but innocents, too, transported to the largest penal island ever, lording it over – severely – the aboriginals.
P(ecking)O(rder)P(revails) go the weasels. Lots of people got to have castes below them. They call that an identity. Hindus calling dindu•ntouchable. Farce. & tragedy.
And hope, wrote Carroll Quigley. Which I’ve gotten past, the road has taken me past. I think hope’s the fuel, or one of the significant ingredients, for all of it. And I don’t mean just misplaced hope, either.
i-f, brown, thin-skinned motherfucker here. I enjoyed your associative word salad. Racial tension must be another sign of the apocalypse along with countries falling apart around the world. I’m sure we had nothing to do with it, we’re the leader of the free world, after all.
The Venezuelans are turning into a locust horde. Incoming. KaD will be like a Cerberus manning the machine guns at the border.
~60 deaths a day in the Sonoran desert. “The gullies are deadly, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I fall, And miles to go before I die.”
I mention nervous systems. Electrochemical impulses. Synapses that fire together wire together, become thicker cables that most of the current sluices thru, least resistance style, “seeing” the same signposts lap after lap after lap. Less often used circuits get pruned, never to rune again.
Remember the Five Man Electrical Band, & their tune “Signs”? That one was about long hair tension. From the tense perspective of short hairs. Some of whom may have seen apocalypse in all that hair. I know some of the shorts did act like the longs were signs of the end.
Hirsute or bald or waxed tho, Kierkegaard, the Taoist farmer, the Stoics, et al have all been right, so far: Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards. Only signs that can be read are in the rearview mirror. That(‘s the) signpost up ahead – your next stop, the Twilight Zone!
City & burbs Venezuelans are shorthaired. As in hung by. Yanomami, deep in the woods & straddling the border with Brazil, are probably pretty much as they were before the Spanish arrived. And “venezuela” is a signboard they prolly don’t wear. Just a word, inside some maplines.
Those desert gullies. Those deserts with life underground & the perfect disguise above, too. Desperate people drowning in the dry heat, & the cool wet.
Here in murica, people being slowly brought up to boil in the pot that wants to yell across the stove at the kettle’s coloration…& that the pot is full, can’t hold no more, unless color-corrected.
Pot & kettle are both crocks. Pot & kettle people’s people all stormed borders to get to the stove. Pot & kettle people claim exclusive stoving in rites, have been busy wrecking the stove for centuries.
Wonder what the pk’s’d say\do if they ever become desperate enough again, like their forbears, to cross the magical mystical borders they currently extol? Bet a lot of them’d come up with a whole new narrative, just in the nick of time. Presto.
There was a flick, “The Way Back,” about some guys that escaped a Siberian gulag. Walked out of winter time Russia, through Mongolia, the Gobi Desert, thru China, over the Himalayas, into India. 4000 miles. Supposedly based on the true memoirs of one of the walkers. Beyond impressive. As are the desperate dry heat & cool wet people trying to get to the stove. It’s a David & Goliath parable.
I’ve gotten a few, or more, chuckles from your play, too, EC.
And the woods are dark and quiet and deep.
How dare fleabags imply your respect for me might be grounded on cup size and not intellectual compatibility.
My family members signed up to fight in WWII against the nazis depicted in the above 11:07am meme. WTF? So my family got their ass shot off and the wing nuts here are worshiping Hitler. Are they trying to imply Trump is the Hitler? Again WTF?
Our family members fought for World Zionism in WW2. Doesn’t make them any less honorable or brave or anything else… but they were lied to about what they were there for and what the people they were signed up to kill were doing or trying to accomplish.
Trump is not Hitler and WW2 was not about about killing evil krauts.
Now Yo plays the idiot card. Give it up, you are out in the open now.
Hey, you and nutkit forgot to end your post with 14.
Yo does his level best to say he is really not a Nazi nor a white supremacist. Despite his racist posts, his rabid anti-semitism, his continuing posts of Hitler vids, images, and quotes.
Whay a load of shit.
Oh, and his lies. That last meme is false. It does not outlaw “persons”, who can do as they choose, but rather businesspeople. But hey, he is not a Nazi.
R-i-i-i-ght. Sure.
A piece of shit never changes its smell.
Llpoh, you need to police this place up, this crap is out of hand. The Hitlarian stormers who won’t own who they are smell the place up with their BS. Do what you do best and you are the best, I give up on Stucky, he has his hands full with his parents. Sic em .
Hear, hear — I popped in to see the Sunday Funnies and made the mistake of clicking into a few recent posts. What the hell happened to TBP? We used to have great discussions, support Libertarian points of view and learn a little something about what is going on in the world that the MSM doesn’t want anyone to see. And, of course, discuss the 4T and where we might be headed in the next saeculum.
Now it’s hate, hate, hate. Post after post claiming women deserve to be dead if they don’t cover up with burkas, that the Holocaust was faked, that every mass shooting or terrorist attack is a false flag, even one today that says women “voted” to bring Islamists to Europe because they have rape fantasies. Nazi propaganda everywhere, now people actually ADVOCATING for Nazi totalitarianism.
It’s gone completely off the rails. What the hell? We used to support Ron Paul’s ideals for liberty and equality. Sure, with a huge side dose of racism, but you could overlook most of that. Now we’re supporting the killing off of women, gays, immigrants, anyone who disagrees with OUR WAY of thinking? No, thanks.
— “And, of course, discuss the 4T and where we might be headed in the next saeculum.”
You obviously haven’t been taking the 4T seriously if you are finding anything happening surprising. Keep in mind, the American Revolution was fought by a small minority, and an even smaller minority leading it was writing things that were terrifying to the average person who just wanted to go about their business. What they were writing was downright *evil* to some people who considered themselves properly loyal.
— “Post after post claiming women deserve to be dead if they don’t cover up with burkas”
This is a lie.
— “that the Holocaust was faked”
It has been overstated. Also, if the US supply chains had been disrupted on the east coast we would have had piles of dead starved Japanese to account for.
— “that every mass shooting or terrorist attack is a false flag”
Would you feel more comfortable if people said only half are false flags? I could be comfortable with half.
— “even one today that says women “voted” to bring Islamists to Europe because they have rape fantasies.”
Not all women, but women’s voting patterns are *demonstrably* proven to follow biological mating drives and nothing to do with analysis of the evidence or accountability for the consequences. This is why they will turn the government into a husband, and when their native stock is not appealing they will invite “bad boys” in for the same reason they invite “bad boys” into their beds… a subconscious drive and a delusional belief that the bad boy will change for them.
People understood this at the time it was first being discussed but were ignored.
This is the entire reason Carol Gilligan developed the “alternative” explanation of female moral (justice) development which is fundamentally different from males, in aggregate.
Their general approach to justice is geared toward localized family and community and fundamentally at odds with building, maintaining, and most importantly defending a society from the outside. Thus when they vote, they still vote according to these drives and tilt the entire system toward implosion.
This is not a negative on women, it is a *different* strength and weakness. To apply the masculine approach to justice as dominant to the family would be equally destructive.
— “Nazi propaganda everywhere, now people actually ADVOCATING for Nazi totalitarianism.”
You could try looking into what actually lead to WW2.
— “We used to support Ron Paul’s ideals for liberty and equality. ”
Ron. Paul. Failed. We. Failed. I donated to his candidacies, went to his speeches in the area, promoted him online and to relationships whenever appropriate, etc.
Trump is, for better and worse, a reflection of Ron Paul’s inability to actually *succeed* at making those ideals a reality. Communists have ideals regarding liberty and equality too and they think they are truly trying to help.
— “Now we’re supporting the killing off of women, gays, immigrants, anyone who disagrees with OUR WAY of thinking? No, thanks.”
KILLING? No… not in the slightest. If you honestly think that it’s more a reflection of you than those you are reading.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/11/libertarian-vs-alt-right.html
—— “It’s not that I am opposed to libertarian ideals. Quite to the contrary, I cherish them as deeply as I ever did. It is merely that events, and a deeper understanding of history, have caused me to conclude that libertarian ideals are as ultimately utopian and irrelevant as communist ideals, progressive ideals, and conservative ideals.
I was always a minarchist libertarian; I embraced libertarianism out of pessimism towards the government. But libertarianism has turned out to be nearly as economically ignorant as Marxism, and nearly as dangerous as Leninism, Nazism, or Maoism. Mass immigration, of the sort considerably more limited than that envisioned by the purist libertarians who correctly subscribe to open borders, has proven to be at least potentially as disastrous as any of those three historically infamous ideologies. Just how bad, we don’t know yet, because the scenario is still in the process of playing itself out.”——-
LLPOH, Norman was asking what the beef was between me and Yohitler. The guy taunts you below, saying your an old man with old fashioned ideas of propriety and values that are passe’. The former experimenter, as he called himself, is a bit too knowledgeable.
He claims to be bringing ideas for your consideration, if you have an open mind, you will accept the stuff he innocently posts here. The same open mind will enable you to embrace Hitler; he was misunderstood after all.
YoBo poses as a mere populist with innovative ideas about Lebensraum and ethnic cleansing. He colors the USA’s expansion as a wonderful achievement that benefited all and never caused harm to the people already living in the western lands.
Give, give, give, that’s all I ever do – the Italian Stallion.
According to Yohitler, the historians have it all wrong. White people came to this country bearing gifts and the promise of an easier life for the native peoples. Thanksgiving was probably started by the Natives in gratitude for the boon granted them in the white saviors.
It is a malicious canard that they were in desperate straits, that the Pilgrims turned to cannibalism and drinking menstrual blood to survive.
No doubt Yohitler has a different version, the Christian immigrants, refugees from persecution in Britain, marched in triumphantly with the twisted cross on a red flag.
Yohitler isn’t a Nazi or a neo-Nazi just because he flashes code numbers like 14/88, they don’t always mean Heil Hitler. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. What’s wrong with wanting to kill blacks and browns, stomp Muzzies and bomb the middle east into oblivion. The world was made for whites, wasn’t it?
Can’t a guy root for a little genocide, foment a civil war, without being shamed for it?
— “Can’t a guy root for a little genocide, foment a civil war, without being shamed for it?”
I enjoy you EC, but you have to be smart enough to know this has zero effect anymore. The shame tactics don’t work because the foundation behind the shaming attempts have fallen apart.
In fact, the harder people try to shame someone like Yo, and especially their methods of doing so, the more people lurking are convinced he might have a point.
The same thing happened with the LGBT screaming shamers when I tried to alert them to the fact that their shaming efforts weren’t going to be working much longer and were in fact going to start proving to observers that the people they were trying to shame are standing on firmer ground even if they aren’t 100% correct.
The more you, Lpooh, and Bea flail in hysterics, the more convincing Yo looks… because the fundamentals of what he’s pointing toward are far more plausible than the denials even WITH the triggering symbolism.
He’s a distraction from the real issues. The Tea Party got invaded. TBP had a message that got obfuscated by this moron and his crew of blog-wreckers. No doubt the category of clunky site is due to the work of this mole. He is doing his best to demolish the site.
I’m not interested in shaming him, I simply want to lift up the rock he hides under so we can see where the verbiage of hate comes from. Your right that his examples of real life problems can convince people that he has a true message. However, since you use the LGBQT as an example, the racists can’t claim they were born that way. They became racists and defended it using the same methods of the cultural Marxists they love to point to. You can see below how Yohitler asks LLPOH to define his terms. That is straight out of the Rules for Radicals manual.
What that tactic tells us is that they are following the tactics of the left to take over this site. No doubt this site is a threat to the PTB. They have sent this mole, as LLPOH suggests, he is getting paid for it. Probably from Soros or McCain, who knows.
You misunderstand.
You guys are the LGBT screechers screeching about being triggered by ideas that bother you.
TBP is of zero threat to TPTB in the form you yearn for.
There is a reason there is a giant ecosystem of sites like this that are left completely alone by TPTB forces.
It’s only places that start suggesting something like middle class whites engaging in the exact same identity tactics at the voting booth and economically that blacks, hispanics, and jews engage in non stop that the rulers flip their shit… especially if they are also pointing out the sort of influence Zionists have over institutions.
That was freakin beautiful EC.
EC, I know what the beef is between you and Yobo. You think he is a Nazi. And he thinks you are a marxist. Personally I think you both make good points from time to time. I was asking you what was the dog turd admin had to step over.
It is your little unpopular rants like this one that make me read your comments. This one is a gem.
BL – they do not ID themselves, save for a few. They sure know the thumb buttons, though.
Reasonable posters no longer bother to play. I fear they are being lost to TBP because of Yo and his white supremacist Nazi anti-semite Hitler loving cronies.
I would venture a guess most are white seperatist, counter-semitic, race-realist former Libertarians that figured out the top levels of this, and most, nation’s government and institutions not only do not want them to succeed, but are actively trying to replace them and their forefathers’ culture.
And you wonder why they’re pissed, and insults don’t work anymore.
It’s called taking a stand, right or wrong, for doing nothing is the option that got this place so fucked up.
Jeebus Krist, YoBo calls people laughable fools, find a fukkin mirror Yo. You have to be getting paid to spew this trash everyday all day and that goes for the rest of the maroons here who goosestep behind you. If you are going to be a damn nazi stormer at least own who you are.
Llpoh- I don’t give two shits about their downers. I’m just ashamed that the spineless jellyfish here are not in here backing us up. EC says they need to start their own site and he is right. I can’t take another day of stormer shit and them goading readers to go on that site.
Then the nerve to deny what they are……it’s not a duck Llpoh, it’s a goose and the goosesteppers are shitting all over all of us.
And the nerve of that piece of shit to badmouth Libertarians. I am sure Admin would love to see that. But I suspect he does not read any of the threads where Yoshit is crapping on the site.
Of course Yoshit should start his own site. But he has not the balls for it. He has no ethics, and abuses Admin by taking advantage of the success Admin has had. Yoshit knows that he would only draw his little group of 6 Nazis.
No Llpoh, he won’t take his shit show on the road because contrary to his ignorant beliefs EVERYBODY DOES NOT IDENTIFY WITH FUKKIN NAZI STORMERS.
There are 10, 12, if you count Yohitler’s personal ball-lickers. I’ve seen the shit party crashers do. We had a guy here in the valley holding a birthday party for his kid. Some idiots crashed the yard party and started smoking weed. When the dad asked the gangbangers to leave, they only left to go get a gun and dad bit the dust. I’m not saying that’s how it would work out here but these neo-Nazis are serious about spreading their shit any way they can, even if they have to blackmail somebody.
In the current scenario, those who have been here longer are now an obstruction to their goals for taking over the site so they can spread the gospel of the now unmasked AltRight. Here you thought his billboard promotion and invitations to others was just selfless good works. It turns out the backstabber just wanted somebody else to do the hard work of growing the site and protecting it so he could steal it.
EC – you are right. I think eventually Admin will have to make some decisions on this shit.
Funny how the niggers got loud and in return got so many concessions that it is breathtaking to realize a small numerical minority has become the tail wagging the dog.
Yohitler’s dirty dozen have the same effect here. They are loud and drown out all the other opinions, voices and ideas. Maybe if Admin gave him a site where he could post to his heart’s content, we would see Yohitler’s true colors. He would refuse to go because he doesn’t want his own site, he wants to tear down this one.
What you want EC is to impotently whine about TPTB until your death bell rings hoping no *real* drama kicks in and that TPTB manage to keep the status quo going long enough for you to keep yours.
Yo is showing you what’s going on *all over the place* right now. It’s happening on youtube, it’s happening in the chans, voat, private messaging in Facebook, etc.
It’s happening everywhere that TPTB can’t manage to “oy vey shut it down!” fast enough.
You aren’t worried that Yo is wrong and saying “things that shouldn’t be said”… you’re worried Yo is right that white identity is an unavoidable and necessary reaction to racism against whites… and that it won’t be whites like Yo, nkit, or I that are your problem… but all those “centrist” whites who are going to be PISSED when they are finally comfortable saying out loud what they know has been true for a long time but were too afraid of being punished for speaking the truth.
I am trying to decide if you are goading Yo to cross a line or if you genuinely believe it. Either way, I think the barrel of monkeys has work to do.
One thing is for sure, the Hitlarian boys choir has shit the bed and will be treated like the nazi assholes that they are. If you guys want to be stormers go to the stormer site and have at it and let TBP recover from this ongoing shitstorm of nazi insanity.
Of what use is a Libertarian site where Libertarians are mocked, where the Judeo-Christian god is discarded, where a murderer is held in awe and a white woman’s vaginal dew is valued above the blood of non-whites?
Are now worshiping the creature instead of the Creator? It must be true that religion is the opium of the masses when the AltRight can manufacture a religion out of whole cloth to suit their racist purposes.
— “Of what use is a Libertarian site where Libertarians are mocked”
Criticism is not mockery. There are such things as good ideals that fail to accomplish their desired outcomes in practice. Such as egalitarianism. Considering criticism mockery is the tactic of “the left”.
— “where the Judeo-Christian god is discarded”
Jews reject Christ. That’s a fundamental schism that cannot be reconciled
You can’t be Judeo-Christian anymore than you can be Babyloneo-Jewish.
— “where a murderer is held in awe”
What if you found out that most of the people in the camps that died did so because of allied activities preventing supplies from reaching them? You know… like what the US did to Iraq’s civilian population?
— “and a white woman’s vaginal dew is valued above the blood of non-whites?”
If non-whites didn’t want whites to engage in identity politics, they shouldn’t have taught whites everything non-whites know about profiting from identity politics.
— “Are now worshiping the creature instead of the Creator?”
You’re confused. It’s Jews who rejected the creator’s Son and you are defending their attempt to destroy the only cultures that accept Christ.
— “It must be true that religion is the opium of the masses when the AltRight can manufacture a religion out of whole cloth to suit their racist purposes.”
If I go to China it is up to the Chinese to decide if I am acceptable to participate in their nation and culture. Not mine.
Screeching “RACIST!!!” doesn’t work anymore. I’m telling you this because I want you to develop BETTER tactics to rebuff the alt-right because a stronger argument helps everyone. But if all you’ve got at the end of the day to fall back on is “They’re racist” it won’t work because the alt-right is a creation of racism against whites.
Jews reject Christ and you are coming to their cultural defense.
This: “White identity politics can only flourish when whites believe they must be an intolerant minority, battling other intolerant minorities for space.”
So next week, eye of the storm? Grain Valley, Mo. Yeah, I am right there.
https://www.nationalbikersroundup.org/
Would you like some anecdotal updates?
Yoshit and his cronies are losers. Nazi scum always come from the ranks of losers. They are bullies, they are incapable of success without grouping together as bullies aften do. They are desperate to blame anything other than themselves for their lack of success. Jews, blacks, Hispanics, liberals, libertarians, Asians – anything they can dream up as a “reason” they are not successful will do.
These scum are brownshirts. They are thugs. They are white supremacists. They have the IQ of gnats.
I read through the Storm article hailed above as some great and insightful work. It was wrotten by a moron. Said moron claimed skill and knowledge in oh so many areas. In fact, he had no knowlegde, but posted lie upon lie, which he then twisted to his sordid white supremacist ends. It was despicable.
Losers go for this stuff. Low-life scum. Pieces of shit one and all. And chief low-life scum is Yoshit. He will crap on this site until stopped, as he has no sense of shame and ethics beneath those of crack whores (apologies to crack whores) or a Clinton.
Few times in my life have I encountered anyone so despicable. To encounter such here on this site is truly unfortunate.
Shocking footage of Lilpooh using a voice to text program to post on TBP.
There is a surprise – an anonymous piece of shit Nazi loser posting a vid because it is retarded and incapable of coherent thought. Yawn.
Liliput dindu nuffin… heessa just a good boy tryn ta help!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbHpX9SQEQ0
What the hell was that?
Some very sexually frustrated women.
Wow.
I hope at some point that everyone who participated in this feels at least some degree of embarrassment at the way they tried to make their points.
You are all far to intelligent to stoop to this level and yet you cannot help yourselves.
For Llpoh and BL and EC, people I respect and admire for their contributions, there are no Nazis under the bed, no storm troopers, no gas chambers. You are trying to stuff some ideas you abhor into little boxes you recognize for easy classification, and to help demonize your ideological opponents. That weakens your position until all you have are rhetorical smears that have lost quite a bit of their effectiveness in the past few years, especially since Literally Hitler was elected. If you really want to undermine someone’s position, you use logic and reason and facts and reality and you do it in a way that convinces the kind of reader who is going to show up here, not this boilerplate SPLC Shame! Shame! Shame! name calling.
And as for Yo & Co. maybe you should remember that the old “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” thinking leads to another conflict further down the road, ala The Cold War. Nazi symbolism may serve in the same capacity as Mexican Cartel neck tats, but is that what you want to do? Hook yourself up permanently with both a failed Socialist ideology that is inextricably linked with war crimes and genocide AND doesn’t exist anymore than The Roman Empire? My family tree lost an entire branch at Kasserine Pass in ’42 to the Nazis, a family name that went back to 1629. Posting those kinds of images is about as effective as Llpoh calling me a Neo-Nazi, as in not very.
In the end I hate both of your sides because neither one looks like an alternative I’d want my children to embrace.
And for both sides, you sound like children with all your personal insults fired back and forth.
Go out and be the future you want to see. Change yourself first and then let people use that example of how they should behave, not try and harangue them into your camp with invective and taunts.
I feel like a kid watching his parents fight, it’s undignified and neither of you are going to win this way.
Let’s all remember this one Universal Truth. What is coming is not something any one of us can stop or mitigate as individuals. Mass movements have a momentum of their own and they are tied to cycles of expansion and contraction of populations in specific environments at certain times. All the self righteous men and women on Earth cannot turn back a tsunami with their outrage, they’ll just be swept away en masse. The only ones that make it through the doors of history are the ones who read the signals and head for high ground bringing their most valuable possessions with them (and that doesn’t mean your Hummel collection).
— “In the end I hate both of your sides because neither one looks like an alternative I’d want my children to embrace.”
If your children find themselves in a conflict to preserve what’s left of Western Culture they aren’t going to have a pleasant buffet to choose to embrace from.
— “My family tree lost an entire branch at Kasserine Pass in ’42 to the Nazis, a family name that went back to 1629.”
Don’t you wish you had been told the truth about what they were fighting against sooner so that you would have had more motivation to stand up to the people that are degrading the world your children are going to inherent thanks to the post WW2 blanket protection they have received?
— “Posting those kinds of images is about as effective as Llpoh calling me a Neo-Nazi, as in not very.”
I’ve been paying attention to the movement of ideas on the internet from the underground chans up to the corner shops that decent folk hang out such as here on over to the tubes and cnns that the drones inhabit.
You are wrong… posting those images has a strong effect precisely because there is NO chance of actually reviving National Socialism.
There is however a consistent and constant erosion of people finding out what the Nazis were *actually* fighting for, what the international community was doing to Germany leading up to WW2 as well as during and after the war, and how this reflects on our current situation now. This includes the plausibility of what they are accused of.
Your/my generation for the most part is too entrenched and has too much attachment to the traditional story of WW2. However those memes/triggers/heads on pikes are having a huge impact on the generation coming up under us in teaching them that there is a giant movie being played on the world stage and it *ain’t* for their benefit and to understand who is benefiting from that particular movie being told that particular way.
They don’t have the same attachment (good or bad) for that imagery… what they *do* have though is the ability to be confused why they are so triggering and then go research themselves and find out that the reactions are mostly unwarranted and in fact seem to have been deliberately designed to prevent people from looking closer at they who must not be criticized.
You forgot to include the story of the fate of the Brownshirts, so while you signal and organize , the real power behind this show plans your fate as they really won’t need the useful idiot signalers later on. When you sign on to a cause understand who benefits and who really gets the pikes.
— “When you sign on to a cause understand who benefits and who really gets the pikes.”
No signing on going on aside from the exercise of speech and challenging of ideas in an open forum where there is no ability on the participant’s part to silence anyone. In particular pushing more and more people to ask the question… as PragerU asks on youtube… “Why Isn’t Communism as Hated as Nazism?”
That said, the people you are thinking about in relationship to the brownshirts are those who are going to free-speech rallies to defend the speakers against antifa, which are the equivalent of the communist agitators that motivated the creation of the brownshirts in the first place.
They (people such as “based stick man”) are engaging in the exact same cycle that wound up becoming the brownshirts and I agree entirely… if they form a quasi-official organization they will find themselves in tough spots should any actual open conflict happen and an executive claim absolute authority over them.
I have not, and will not, be joining any official organization but will certainly continue to discuss ideas that are difficult and messy.
So you are just a recreational gum flapper who wants to fit in something like the young people in the sixties who went around saying they belonged to the SDS. They did not have the foggiest notion as to what the SDS was really about.
If I’m forced to defend myself I will. I’m not going to join a group that is going out hunting for targets, which was what the circumstance involving the brownshirts you brought up involved which is part of what led to the long knives due to the effect their behavior was having on the ability to lead.
I vote for the sort of direction I want to see things go with my attention and resources going to people and groups that I’m in alignment with. I communicate ideas I support, and challenge ideas I do not. I live according to the standards I consider sustainable (no debt, no promiscuity, no gaining via deception/other’s expense, etc) with continued effort to improve in areas I’m not doing well enough (exercise, contact with family, etc).
You specifically brought up the brownshirts which is why I specifically remarked on not joining an organization.
However not joining an organization is not the same thing as inactive. It doesn’t preclude lending a hand to an organization on a case by case basis. Try again.
To repeat, there is a difference between “based stick man” and others defending people at a protest… and those people forming an organization with a specific directive. The communist agitators led to the brownshirts, antifa very well might lead to some sort of equivalent.
If that group *does* form in reaction to antifa, and that group becomes an “official” group under the leadership of a governmental executive… then they will *certainly* run into the problems you raised in your original reply.
— “The only ones that make it through the doors of history are the ones who read the signals…”
“You’ve never had a reason to look down on the people from the towns around you. You’ve been more than content to let them leads the lives they see as most beneficial to them and you pay them no mind at all. You have no hatred or resentment, nor feelings or superiority either. But now you’re being pushed.
You only have three choices: capitulate, fight back, or run and hide somewhere else and wait for it to catch up to you there. The rise of the Alt-Right is how we’re fighting back. We are now forced to get tribal and play identity politics. We let things get too out of hand. We disregarded the signs and we thought it would blow over but it’s only gotten worse. When you’re being told that you, as a white male, or a Christian or a Trump supporter are EVIL because of the things you hold dear, something has to give.
But as white, Christian, heterosexual males, we’re not allowed to be tribal about that (so we’re told). As soon as we claim a white identity, we’re labeled as bigots and racists even by our allies.
No matter what you do as a white person now, you’re going to get labeled a racist, so you might as well go tribal and make sure you’ve got a group of people that are willing to stand up for you. It doesn’t mean that’s your exclusive tribe.
Yet, when we travel to her home country I am accepted, but it’s very tenuous with anyone outside of her immediate family, and I’m fine with that. Why? Because I represent an encroachment on their lives; I’m an outsider.
You’ll be painted into a tribal identity whether you like it or not. And sure, there will be lots of cross-over between tribes BUT IF YOU CONTINUE WITH THE NOTION THAT YOU ARE ABOVE IT ALL**, you could very well become one of the most tragic victims.”
**emphasis mine
Kudos, HSF. Best comment of the page.
Their leader has spoken.
TBP is more about herding cats than “leaders” leading anything. Kind of an every man for himself environment for the verbally profligate.
But then you knew that.
Yep, that’s why they never show the real thumbs up/down numbers to measure approval of what is offered up.
The voting system is so easily gamed it’s not worth paying attention to.
However I’ve never seen any reason to suspect Admin is suppressing/altering votes… they just aren’t reliable indicators of anything.
It’s why the chans are excellent sources of discourse because the anon nature and no voting means ideas live and die entirely on the content of the message and the capacity of the reader to extract something of value from them.
OH DEAR HEAVENS… not the thumbs up/down thing.
Western culture and multiculturalism, sexism……because we in the west treat women worse than dogs, mercy kill our daughters, genital mutilate our 11 year old daughters, make our women cover their entire bodies because our sexual desires cannot be controlled when we see their big toe, hate and kill any and all others that do not assimilate to our culture, values, and religion, teach our kids our religion is the only religion and all others should be beheaded…..yeah we are the problem, not the eastern culture…….let’s all rally and protest how bad western culture is and virtue signal how great Islam, communism and socialism are. Great idea.
Virtue signaling explained for dummies. 2 guys sitting on a curb. Neither are bank robbers. There is a definition that one that robs a bank can have varying degrees, murders while robbing, is polite while robbing, is armed while robbing. Whereas, a non bank robber has only one degree; not a bank robber. One guy sitting on the curb wants to be better so he decides to vitue signal. He decides to promptly withdraw $100 from the ATM, pays the withdrawal fee, walks into the bank and makes a gift of the $100 to the bank..in short he gave the bank money, he didn’t take the banks money. He sits back down and looks at his friend and asks why would you rob that bank. Guy responds I didn’t…..well I gave the bank $100, therefore I am not a bank robber and since you didn’t give them money, you must be a bank robber. It’s a death spiral until we kill ourselves outproving, out doing the next person to show our virtue to get as far away from being a bank robber as possible….re read this and interchange the word “bank robber” for racist, rich person etc. churchgoer, “I go to church more than you” virtue signal ends up living at church, then fasting until they die to prove they are more virtuous than the next person……it’s insanity and a desperate attempt to placate a govt narrative to be included and liked. Because these kids today do not know how to cumminicte beyond a meme, or text and constantly looking for acceptance.
The ducks quack like brownshirts…….they need to own it or change their tune SF. If that is personal then so be it. I don’t need your approval. Propaganda is what it is.
My family didn’t get shot to hell in bankster wars to turn around and play “Springtime for Hitler” with these kiddies.
— “My family didn’t get shot to hell in bankster wars to turn around and play “Springtime for Hitler” with these kiddies.”
Agreed. They got shot to hell so you could turn around and play 20th century Marxist overthrow of Christian Nations.
Don’t want to play that either. We need to stop playing/being suckers.
— “Don’t want to play that either.”
We already did. That 20th century game has already been lost.
— “We need to stop playing/being suckers.”
The question is what we’re going to do in the 21st century now that the ground has already been ceded and the Marxists own the leadership positions within the institutions and the minds of a significant majority.
Though that grip isn’t nearly as firm as their institutional hold… which is why narrative control is crucial to them… and why teaching people how to engage in wrong think is important. It teaches a person’s thinking process to be a form of “multilingual” from then on out. They are able to think in the language of “the narrative”… and then also think through the exact same situation through the language of “wrong think”. Once they have done this successful at least one time… it forever elevates their capacity to critically consider every narrative they are told.
Even people I like and agree with I run their commentary through what he would consider “wrong” to see how well they stand up.
We ran you brownshirts through the “wrong think” process, that was the point all along.
You can’t win this.
— “We ran you brownshirts through the “wrong think” process, that was the point all along.”
Hitler didn’t think much of brownshirts either. You two have a lot in common.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Night_of_the_Long_Knives
— “You can’t win this.”
I explained to you very clearly how to cut the legs out from under the people resorting to Axis memes to trigger conversations and emotions… all so you can feel the joy of winning against the nazmemes again.
Perhaps you don’t like my explanation of how to defeat the nazmemes because you’re a commie and the only way to defeat the nazmemes would be to defeat yourself?
Raz- I really like you and Yoebbels a lot, truly. Did you like the Busby Burekley- ish swastika at the end of the “Springtime for Hitler” video? Did you notice the two joos grinning like possums and shaking hands when they totally insulted the audience?
I’ve hummed Springtime in public before to see who might know what I’m referring to. It’s a great tune. These days I’m a big fan of Steven Crowder’s TransHitler skits.
I’m not falling for your Red Guard propaganda though.
Raz- Red Guard…..me? What is this comedy hour now?
In all honesty ,there are some reds in here, I don’t like them either.
You can’t win this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW3MlixEps4&list=RDYW3MlixEps4#t=42
Raz- Ever hum “Razzle-Dazzle” from the movie “Chicago”. Look up the youtube it describes what goes on perfectly. You just don’t get that you have been razzle-dazzled Raz.
— “Raz- Red Guard…..me? What is this comedy hour now?”
Yes. Yes.
— “In all honesty ,there are some reds in here, I don’t like them either.”
I understand, they aren’t really in it to win it like you are. Not red enough for you.
— “You can’t win this.”
Maybe. But I can post videos.
— “Raz- Ever hum “Razzle-Dazzle” from the movie “Chicago”. Look up the youtube it describes what goes on perfectly.”
I don’t go to Chicago. It’s full of pinkos with guns.
— “You just don’t get that you have been razzle-dazzled Raz.”
Make a compelling counter-offer.
If you want it to actually be compelling though, and not just more comedy hour, you’ll have to be honest about what I’ve been selling.
Yoebbels- admit you liked the choreography in “Springtime for Hitler” and we’ll go easy on you.
You are not helping your case Yo. No parents wants a goosestepping middle school child.
Hitler Youth redoux
Nutkit is speechless above, he forgot the 14/88 again. You need to find another non-DL follower.
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So, I quote David Lane and his 14 words and to you that makes me a White Supremacist..So I guess that I’m part of the Red Guards tonight?
That is the oldest trick in the propaganda book. Yawn
You forgot the 14/88 again nutkit.
You really are one simple son of a bitch…no balls, no substance. Yo was right. Hit the road, Jack. Later, limp noodle. That’s all you got? Really?
Here ya go nutkit, memes for the juvenile mind, this should keep you busy for a while and you call me simple, that’s rich.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQHHL1Rbdbw
Looks like the Hitlarian Boys Choir gave up and took their toys and memes and went home.
Thanks for the help the past two days Loopey, can’t count on injuns……oh wait. 🙂
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Ok Batman…….you win……whatever
Raz, we need a good old fashioned 9/11 shit fest. What do you think?
You and the Red Guard collapsed WT7 in a communist plot to infiltrate TBP and try to win over truffers.
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I’m wise to who’s on second!
Says the guy who thinks he is Batman. They used to lock people in padded rooms for that shit Raz before the funding ran out. Now they are mucking up the internet with memes……but at least you are somewhat interesting. 🙂
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Can’t fix stoopid…………
Yoebbels, if you have your heart set on being a nazi, have at it. Your real enemy is the club and you will never be in it. Me either.
How does being a nazi fight the .001% owners? it doesn’t so waste of your time.
BL was right, you are nazis.
I read Soros pays the bill for trolls to put this stuff on the net. Alt-Trolls.
Why is everyone SO concerned with marching with Nazis? I thought the enemy of my enemy is my friend. At least until you can betray them. Besides, almost all of them are FBI and trolls who don’t really know what they are saying….look, the Nazis and the KKK are actually LEFT, if they want to engage the left, push em to the front like the LEFT does with the wild eyed Antifa women and fruits. Lets let them sort it out… the crazy left vrs the insane left… that would be fine tv.