You regulars know that I generally am not a big fan of conspiracies.
But, then again ….. this is one of the most succinct and thoughtful articles I’ve read about questioning everything … and coming up with alternate theories (often disparaged as a “conspiracy”).
That being said, I still ain’t buying into that “we didn’t land on the moon” or “the Earf is flat” bullshit.
But, Building 7? Hmmm … why DID it collapse into its own footprint at free fall speed when nothing hit it? Might have to check into that ……
IS IT WRONG TO QUESTION THE OFFICIAL STORY WHEN TRAGEDY STRIKES?
The media says, “Jump.” And the public responds in unison, “How high?”
“As high as you ever have jumped before, except maybe after 9/11, or the Kennedy assassination.”
Of course, when there is news, it should be reported. Today it is reported sensationally, as entertainment. Is it meant to inform, or induce?
Which came first, the media’s obsession with violence, or the public demand for violence? In the 1990’s as violent crime in America dropped, the media filled more and more time slots with stories about violence.
By the end of the 90’s the public was clamoring for the government to do something about what they assumed was a rising trend in violent crime.
Was that orchestrated? The government certainly benefits from a hysterical public begging them to help. It certainly gives the government an important role in the daily life of an average citizen. But this alone doesn’t mean that it was a conspiracy. Acknowledging that the government benefitted from the media’s overreporting of crime is not the same as suggesting the government actively pushed the media to do so.
But why not wonder? Exercise those thought processes.
It is a known fact that thousands of journalists were at one time on the payroll of the CIA. It was called Operation Mockingbird, and agents would place false stories in publications like the New York Times, and Time.
So when it comes to the case of the fake 90’s crime wave, it makes sense to wonder if a similar program still exists. The courts have ruled that FBI agents can legally impersonate journalists in the course of an investigation.
Do we need to discover the actual program in order to speculate? Well, I certainly wouldn’t say that it is happening without knowing for sure. But we can acknowledge a historical fact and draw a parallel between that and a similar contemporary trend. In such circumstances, it makes sense to be skeptical.
Either way, we shouldn’t fall prey to the media’s manipulations about such things, regardless of the catalyst. So why not remind people that in the past, lies from the government shaped public opinion?
But there are some cases when questioning, wondering, and speculating is considered downright wrong.
When it is most important to speak freely, you can’t.
How do I walk the line between my inherent mistrust of the government media complex and sincere compassion and empathy for victims of tragedy?
Is it wrong to question official narratives after a tragic event? Is it disrespectful to wonder if there isn’t more to the story? Should I censor myself to avoid appearing insensitive, when I want to talk about inconsistencies in the media tale, or the motives that various groups could have to lie about such events?
I think it is especially important to be able to talk freely when it comes to tragedy. The more potential an event has for exploitation, the more possibilities should be explored.
If we are conditioned to hold our tongues, to suppress our curiosity and skepticism when it comes to tragedy, then the worst actors in any given situation win. Those in power need only create a tragedy, and it becomes impossible to question the official narrative. Otherwise, you are disrespectful and uncaring.
When someone is gravely wounded, you don’t slap a band-aid over it. You’ve got to clean out the wound. And that hurts in the moment. But in the long run, it is necessary to prevent infection.
We should wonder if 9/11 was a false flag attack. I don’t think it is disrespectful to the victims to do so. I think it would be more disrespectful to unquestioningly believe the official story. The official story comes from the people who have the most to gain.
Did the terrorists who carried out the attack on the twin towers have anything to gain? Well maybe if they believed the whole 72 virgins thing. But in real life, they died. Suiciding bombing is a thing that people do, however, so it certainly can’t be ruled out.
Did Osama Bin Laden have a lot to gain? Well again, it is tough to understand the motivation of terrorists. Apparently, they think killing innocent people accomplishes something. But now he is dead.
And what about the official storytellers, the ones who investigated, and revealed the true culprits behind 9/11?
Their gains remain. They gained the power to easily declare wars and conduct military operations. Money was poured into the defense budget. Agencies like Homeland Security and the TSA sprang into existence.
Attention was diverted from missing money at the Pentagon. The PATRIOT Act was passed. Due process was no longer a concern.
“Mission Accomplished” in Iraq; the glory of killing Bin Laden. The public became desensitized to war. America helped toppled regimes in Libya and Egypt, and support a civil war in Syria.
These things alone don’t prove anything. But it looks awfully suspicious. The ones who we rely on for information about what happened had the most to gain from the attack. They are the ones who will “solve” the problems.
It is a conflict of interest even if the official story is true. It just so happens that their recommendations on the best course of action were the very things that would grow their power, expand their budget, and swell their ranks.
Again we have a historical fact to turn to for comparison. The Joint Chiefs of Staff under Kennedy floated the idea of carrying out a false flag against American citizens to get them involved in a war with Cuba. It was calledOperation Northwoods. Kennedy told them if they ever mentioned the idea of murdering innocent Americans again, he would have them tried for treason.
Well, we all know what happened to Kennedy, but that is a whole rabbit hole of its own. What we know for sure, is that as early as the 1960’s people in the U.S. government wanted to commit false flag attacks against Americans to provoke war. And the leader most vehemently opposed was assassinated.
Incidentally, the Kennedy Administration approved of Operation Mockingbird.
May I Speak Freely?
I want to wonder, and I want to speculate. I get as angry and sad as anyone else with a properly developed conscience when horrible things happen. I want those responsible held accountable. And it is against my skeptical nature to accept an official story without digging for more evidence. Horror does not paralyze my desire to question the official narrative and wonder about inconsistencies.
One thing that strikes me about all of the mass shootings of the past few years, is the great diversity in location and venue.
A college in Virginia. An elementary school in Connecticut. A mall in Washington. A nightclub in Florida. A church in North Carolina. A movie theater in Colorado. A political meet and greet in Arizona. The streets of California. A concert on the Vegas strip.
If someone wanted to strike fear into the hearts of Americans, they could not have chosen a better range of targets. The message would be whatever place you live, wherever you go in public, whatever your age, job, or social status, you are not safe.
Maybe that is the truth. And maybe it is random.
We are told these were all carried out by lone a lone gunman–or a married couple in one case.
But why are there so often witness reports of a second gunman? Could it be chalked up to confusion?
The victims tragically lost their lives. Their families lost loved ones, which will impact them for the rest of their lives. The American people lose their sense of security and their rights. Relationships deteriorate as bitter disagreements turn personal, blame abounds, fingers point, defenses go up.
And after so many tragedies, the culprit is left dead. Is that justice?
Who benefits? The dead guy on the 32nd floor?
The Democrats who want gun control? The Republicans who want militarized police? The media who get a bump in ratings? The Generals who want war? A government that “never let(s) a good crisis go to waste”?
I want this madness to stop. We know how the media wants it to play out. They will get their ratings with division and bitter disagreement. The government always gets more power, more relevance, more opportunity to insert itself into the everyday lives of Americans.
That is why it is so necessary to look deeper, to ask those tough questions that we don’t even want to consider as a possibility. We can’t sit by silently wondering if we are being told the truth or fed lies. It is not disrespectful to question the official story. It would be a miscarriage of justice to accept it without protest, as we are told is what should be done in times of crisis.
The only other option is to play into the hands of the media and government, whether they be orchestrators or opportunists. When we replay the same old arguments and put forth the same stale solutions, when we look to them for information and solutions, they win.
Question everything. Clean out the wounds. It may hurt to get in there deep. But if we don’t, the infection will grow and fester, as it always has before.
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Hell yeah! you have to question everything. Especially now since the media is just a government and corporate mouthpiece. Look at the financial shows on TV. It’s all about how the stock market is going to go up and up forever.
http://mileswmathis.com/lasveg.pdf
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You (or someone) keeps posting this link, so I went back for another look at it. It is total BS. This guy sees everything as a scripted hoax and nobody died. Sandy Hook, Boston marathon bombing, Las Vegas… I stopped reading the first time at the first paragraph where he’s analyzing a photograph. A single picture taken of a very small part of the scene at one specific point in time. But because the people in the picture don’t appear to him to be acting the way he THINKS he would act (how does he know how he would act) it “proves” that the whole thing was a hoax and there wasn’t really any shooting or anybody killed. Just like the analyses done on the pictures of the Boston Bombing by, as far as I can tell, some guy living in his parent’s basement with no job so he had nothing better to do. Give me a break! I know that there were at least some real people killed and injured at Boston.
I went back to look at the link again because you keep posting it so I thought maybe it gets better after the first paragraph. Wrong, it just gets worse. He’s not even discussing his own ideas but regurgitating something he read somewhere else as if it’s gospel because he read it on the internet. Yes, he regurgitates a few real facts and interesting ideas, but the vast majority of it is simply BS.
Sandy Hook, Boston, Las Vegas – is there something wrong about the “official” explanations of these events? Hell yes. Were they false flags? Probably. Does it mean that the events were completely staged hoaxes populated with crisis actors and nobody was hurt or killed? Hell no. Sandy Hook is different because it was in a contained space with a limited number of people, so it could have possibly been pulled off as a hoax. But at both Boston and Las Vegas there were crowds of tens of thousands of people. How do you control a staged hoax in an open venue with that many people? If you are planning a false flag it would be easier to just go ahead and kill and/or injure at least some of the crowd. No reason there can’t be a mix of real people actually killed and injured and a few actors planted to help effect the desired result.
you for got the dumbing down of our schools, and the free money and everything else that dumb ass people want we are done in this country.
Of course, but one tires kicking cans in fields where people don’t listen.
Sooner or later comes the revelation that it is a conspiracy to get up in morning and shave while sharing a bathroom with a wife.
It’s everywhere and its not.
Rob – I have posted an apology for my comment.
Lloph
It was out of the blue and I shouldn’t have done it. The problem I was having was I wanted to know what you thought about bombing Iran and not what somebody else thought. But that isn’t an excuse and I apologize for doing it.
And just so you know I am going thru a process. I hope you don’t feel bad for being so blunt because I need that honesty. Fuck I am tired of people telling me it wasn’t my fault and that I was a victim.
Stucky talks here about conspiracies. Somehow methinks he has an ulterior motive. All this talk and I am living thru one. Have been for years. Yet anytime I bring it up most want to turn away and look for shinier apples in other trees. Of late it has become, for me, an interesting experiment in social control.
When I speak most glaze over, with a 1000 yard stare.
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Two years ago I went to Newfoundland twice to give a speech about Westray. I was told I am good at it. What it is I am not sure. Both audiences numbered in the hundreds.
They listened.
There was polite applause at the end.
Then most, not all but most, sat on their hands and didn’t ask questions.
Afterwards once I left the stage I was asked to meet a couple of people behind the curtain. They wanted to talk and share their own stories. I found it odd that folks were parting with secrets when the whole point of me going there was to open doors to a conversation.
It has taken me a long time to realize it but I had spent 20 years subsuming myself in the role of a victim. Not now, I was and am a willing participant in a conspiracy. Might be why I am triggered by the flippant comments about killing people. Before you get mad they aren’t your own.
That said, it is just a passing acquaintance rather than an unwanted relative bum surfing on the couch in my living room.
I seems better that way. I can wash it off.
Your words might be harsh but they are effective in curing me of my malaise. For years lloph if I talked about this shit all I would get was a pat on the back and gentle nudge. Be told that it was not my fault. All that did was feed the victim narrative that burned deep inside. Maybe that is the reason for my fascination the Victim Industrial Complex that was created by the Cultural Marxists.
Finding my place in the Progressive stack seemed a worthy goal.
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But I have come to find that once a step is found there is always another mountain to climb.
Next month I have been asked to speak to a class, via Skype, studying Social Justice at York University. I am not even sure why I agreed to do this but for some reason I’m gonna. I suppose if I can survive your scorn then this latest project with be a piece of cake.
They are trying on the shoe of joys of Marxism on the foot of the Westray Tragedy. Somehow 26 men dying is now the fault of Captialism. I find it the premise ridiculous because that Mine would never without Government Interference. They might might find they have an ugly Step Sister instead of Cinderella.
Just a guess but those folks are going to be surprised at what I have to say.
I am writing too much. I am supposed to be working and tired of proofreading and editing. I also don’t like talking about all this anymore on Jim’s blog. It sucks the air out of the room when better conspiracies further afield exist.
I hope we can bury the hatchet.
I have no ulterior motive, my friend.
Even though I don’t believe 99% of what this shitfuk government tells me …. and I’ve always been a question-everything person ….. still, it somewhat truly pissed me off that Vegas conspiracies started just the DAY AFTER the event.
This article … a really well reasoned one …. put that in perspective for me.
BTW, I enjoyed yesterday’s shitfest. Heh! What I liked even better? That two of my favorite peeps buried the hatchet!!
Well thanks anyways Stucky you’re the best!
And I’m with you on the 99%.
Rob – hatchet buried.
I am not sure I am one that ever said “it was not your fault”. That is unlike me.
Honestly, in a moment of clarity sime time ago I think I saw into your soul on this, which is why, when i was wounded, I went right for the jugular.
Here is my take. You think you fucked up. Only you know that for certain.
But you had to be young, right? Inexperienced? Perhaps out of your depth, dealing with people and bosses you were ill equiped to handle given age and lack of experience. And so you think you fucked up. And you think compounded it over time.
I have screwed the pooch many times. I was an amoral fuckwit (now just a fuckwit) for a long time. I decided to work on that. Every day. And each day I think I have improved my value system. It is why, I think, I am so entrenched in positions – it took me decades to develop my values. Now, I think I am an honest, hard-working person, but I was not before.
Whatever happened, happened. You cannot change that fact. You can, and probably have to a degree far greater than you know, change yourself. You cannot go back in time.
But this you can do: You can make yourself better. You can become such a person that you know n your heart that you could not be coerced, bullied, manipulated into making the same decisions and mistakes.
You may already be there, but I see that you are afraid you may not be. If so, work harder. Get better. Every day. No backward steps.
I apologized because it was wrong of me to have used that against you. Because I saw I could.
In the end, it is not important what I think, or anyone else. T is what you think, what you know. When you can look in the mirror and know you are not the same man, and could never be bullied, pushed, coerced – then you will have a measure of peace.
At least that is what I think. It worked for me.
I am close to there imperfect as it will be..
Damn, Rob, you better frame LLPOH’s apology, it is beautiful. There, my friend, is a man worth emulating for his honesty and compassion.
If it was me, I have pointed to the video I posted on Jones in Vegas article or some such. Bradley Cooper calls his fiance and starts off with, “We fucked up. Things got out of hand..” His bride reminds him the wedding is on in 5 hours and he flatly states, “That ain’t happening.”
In real life, a guy in his position would be groveling and the chick would be freaking. Yet here you see two adults well aware of their own roles as the man and the woman and they play them well, handling their responsibility.
Then you watch the movie where almost all the characters have a hand in fucking shit up. There is little finger pointing or retribution, they ‘handle’ it. That is a very educational movie, unlike the tripe you get with black movies that show irresponsible man-children trying to weasel out of the consequences of their decisions. It seems the white man’s response is always, “I’ll be back.” while the black response is, “It wasn’t me.”
LLPOH recognized his mistake and owned up to it. That is the kind of guy I want to be, if Rdawg will let me.
Dominus vobiscus, Et cum spiritu tuo.
You are forgiven.
Okay, let me do this now.
A “conspiracy” is a plan, made in secret, by more than one person. The root of the word comes from the Latin words ‘con’ which means ‘together with’ and ‘spirare’ which means to breathe. It implies something done in closely held confidence.
No living being with a pulse and two eyeballs would dismiss the fact that this is an essential part of the human experience. We all do it. Most conspiracies are minor and harmless; planning a surprise party, discussing a promotion of an employee, planning on the euthanasia of a family pet, telling the kids about Santa.
When people talk about ‘conspiracy theories’ they are almost always discussing the CIA created meme that has been documented meticulously through FOIA releases that go back to the early 1960’s. They intentionally discredited the term and held it up to ridicule in order to use it as a means of obfuscation for actual programs/plots/actions that were meant to be clandestine. Over time it was applied to real world circumstances like the JFK assassination in order to force the population into accepting a narrative known as ‘The Lone Gunman’.
Operatives like Cass Sunstein have turned it into a science, but I won’t go into detail, you can always research that on your own.
Here’s a couple of facts before we go on.
1) People in positions of power conspire all the time. The Pentagon, the NSA, MK Ultra, etc. These conspiracies are often done as exercises, sometimes as planning for international involvement where there exists no real casus belli, to divert attention away from other actions, etc.
2) More people sit in Federal prison cells as convicted conspirators than for any other class of crime. You do not have to actually carry out a criminal act to be convicted of felony charges of conspiracy. The government may not want you to believe in conspiracy theories, but they certainly do.
3) It is a myth that conspiracies cannot be maintained because someone would eventually speak out. Plenty of examples exist of conspiracies that were meticulously surreptitious until such time as they were exposed intentionally (Manhattan Project) or by investigative journalism (Gulf of Tonkin) or accidental discovery through FOIA (Operation Northwoods).
If you’d like to see a REAL conspiracy, do this simple exercise- Goolag the term ‘conspiracy theory’ and read the top 20 or so MSM stories on it and see how many identical phrases and literary duplications exist. It reads like…well, like it’s a conspiracy to fool people into dismissing conspiracy theories. Most of it employs techniques you’d use to potty train a toddler it’s so unsophisticated, but it is lockstep.
Like this-
Conspiracies are real. They cannot all be proven, especially when the full force of the government and media are in collusion to keep it a secret so you have to use your own best judgement. Does the story sound believable? Does it keep within the realm of possibility and the laws of physics? (WTC 7) Does it advance an agenda? Do those involved prosper from the acts? Do the actors involved have a reputation for being authentic and honest or do they and the organizations that they work for have a track record for deception and calumny? Is there collusion between different mouthpieces and organizations that all share the same verbiage or plot line?
I am one of those folks that gives everyone a fair shake from first meeting regardless of what a person looks like or where they come from. My primary consideration in all future dealings is always rooted whether or not the person is truthful or deceptive. Once I identify someone as being a phony, I’m done. They may have all kinds of wonderful qualities and talents and abilities, but that, for me is a disqualifier. If it is habitual- like our national media or our federal government, I assume that EVERYTHING that they say is false and work from there. Even if they happen to be telling the truth- and of course they do from time to time- it is meaningless.
And we didn’t go to the Moon.
And your number 2. is BS; try drugs.
You keep saying that but it isn’t true.
If a person deals drugs he may go to prison for the drug charge, but they always make sure to tack on the conspiracy to traffic/import/etc. and they do that with every other class of crime as well. Most crimes have a planning stage and the government calls that “conspiracy” so they always make sure they add it to the list of infractions.
There are people serving time simply for planning a crime without ever carrying it out, like murder for hire.
That’s the point I’m making- that the government believes in conspiracies enough to have a statute.
I do agree that the Gov’t/prosecutors tack on every imaginable charge in order to get a conviction on at least one, many of which are BS.
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Jury vote from the recent Pam Gellar Fatwah trial
Look at the charges.
Agree with you, Farmer, on not going to the moon. Too much evidence suggests otherwise.
http://global.jaxa.jp/press/2008/05/20080520_kaguya_e.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1414144/Worlds-biggest-telescope-to-prove-Americans-really-walked-on-Moon.html
http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Downloads/article_id_097_05_0630_0631_0.pdf
https://ilrs.cddis.eosdis.nasa.gov/docs/williams_lw13.pdf
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v194/n4835/abs/1941267a0.html?foxtrotcallback=true
http://tmurphy.physics.ucsd.edu/apollo/doc/Bender.pdf
http://tmurphy.physics.ucsd.edu/papers/rop-llr.pdf
http://polac.obspm.fr/llrdatae.html
The question pisses me off. You ask if we’re to believe THEM out of some sort of obligatory predilection of trust. You got to be shitting me. Give this gang of cheats and liars the benefit of the doubt? Read Whitehead’s piece above and tell me what level of trust THEY deserve. I give them the same level of trust they give us via the NDAA: “guilty until proven innocent”.
If you don’t question the official narrative Stucky, you’re saying you believe the official story. You’re a brilliant man for sure, but I’m left with the result that you’re wasting your energies like a drill bit skipping across a sheet of steel. Is it better to know everything about nothing or nothing about everything? I’m not saying you do this, but I fucking HATE it when what’s happened is examined ad nauseam because in this scenario, all that’s accomplished is zip, following THEIR trail. At some point a guy’s gotta draw some conclusions, ya know?
Tommy, I rarely believe official narratives.
Whenever I get into shitfests with conspiracy folks, and even though we both agree the official narrative is bogus, they get all pissed off because I don’t buy THEIR version !
9-11 for example …. the official story is bs ….. but if you don’t think it was a controlled demolition?? “Fuck you, Stucky!!”
For that reason, I think most believers in a conspiracy are either narcissistic (I must be right!!) or just mentally unstable. Like HF and his no moon landing stuff. ?
Now you sound like Cass Sunstein with his “it makes people feel better to believe that there’s a conspiracy” BS.
I don’t care about being right, I don’t really care about the mechanics and I have never given a damn about motive- you kill someone out of a deep and abiding affection for them they still wind up as dead as if they’d been killed by an angry person- what difference does it make?
And when I say we didn’t go to the Moon it isn’t because I have definitive proof, all I have is my gut instinct after wading through a thousand hours or more of data. What I am saying is that if the Government claims we went, it stands to reason, based on their behavior over half a century, that they are lying. If we did it’s a damn shame I can’t believe in it because that would absolutely be the ultimate achievement of mankind, bar none and I would love to think we are capable of it, but all the lies and duplicity and falsehoods and faked data and shady behavior make it seem highly improbable.
Not sure if that helps, but I don’t want you to think I’m off in a corner talking to wallpaper. It’s a rational and logical conclusion based on the evidence presented, since no one can verify it for themselves.
I couldn’t care less about whether there was a moon landing or not but I do admire your perspective. If ever there was an era that demands critical thinking we’re in it. As Lew Rockwell points out, there is no proposed act too sinful, too diabolical or too murderous for the state to dismiss. If they don’t actually follow through on it they didn’t yet think of it or didn’t think it would best serve their interests. The morality of the act never comes in to play. Doubt everything.
Not too long ago I was listening to somebody on Coast to Coast AM (If you’re interested you should be able to figure out who it was searching their site). He was a photographer who said that the pictures supposedly taken on the moon were too good to be real. ALL of the thousands of pictures taken on the moon had appropriate exposure, were in focus, and were properly framed (no heads cut off). How likely is that with a jury-rigged 1960’s camera bolted to the front of a space suit?
A little off subject, but the same group of actors. We are now told that the Air Force has a secret “space plane” that can FLY into space (and back). Then we remember the X-15 and the great Chuck Yeager 60 YEARS AGO!!!
So, what’s with all those Saturn rockets and the huge NASA boondoggles??? Not to mention the Shuttle nonsense.
The book “Dark Moon” made a non believer out of me and also all the links in “The Shining” movie.
Breaking down the semantics should always be the first step in any genuine debate, but almost never is. Of course, conspiracies exist and of course they are most prevalent among people of great power who always crave more.
The issue I have is when the conspiracies theorized would require a massive degree of prescience by the conspirators–this is movie bullshit. I love the Usual Suspects, but it is entirely bullshit. A thousand things beyond his control would have to break exactly the right way for Keyser Soze to pull of what he did. Same with so many of the whack job ideas I hear about 9/11 (of course I don’t fully buy into the official story but where does it end? Dreaming up holographic planes is completely fucking retarded).
I have not gone into the same depth of moon landing data as you, but let’s just say that the moon landing was faked, the film shot in studio and foisted on a gullible public…”whew, we pulled it off, I can’t fucking beleive we pulled it off…now let’s fake five more??????” Qui Bono? What could there possibly be to gain from subsequent fakes?
I am not completely sure either, I just come from the other side. I think we did land on the Moon and yes, there is an emotional component. My uncle was lifelong friends with Neil Armstrong.
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For me to consider any conspiracy theory valid it has to arise out of the facts after they are known and proven, not in advance of them.
Most popular conspiracy theories today are the opposite of that.
That’s basically what a good North Korean citizen would say.
That’s what someone that wants to know the Truth would say.
NK has nothing to do with it, but you use NK trying prevent anyone considering Truth over fiction from seeking it.
I seek Truth, you seek to lead away from it.
Truth is never popular.
The thing that gets me is that the cleanup of these “conspiracy” events is always very private. The public is not given access or shown photographic and/or video evidence. That is like adding gasoline to the fire in conspiracy world.
I get the protocol for investigations and keeping a crime scene sterile but years later hardly any photos leak out for some of these events. All you can find of Sandy Hook is some broken glass photos. Am I not allowed to see a blood stained classroom?? Isn’t that case closed?
We live in a time where everyone is carrying around a camera and I do find it odd that so little comes out of certain events yet a cop shoots a black man and there are 15 different videos of it. More fuel on the conspiracy theory fire.
I like the Russian proverb – Trust but verify. I don’t buy every conspiracy false flag narrative but I do want to verify all sources.
Problem is the verify part is exceedingly hard to do it seems.
Yes, they exist. Are they all real? Nope, because we have a lot of ignorant asshats who don’t know reality from a hole in the ground.
The more the world tells you to believe in something, especially using guilt and insults to make you believe it, the more it’s worth asking questions. There’s nothing so threatening to people’s comfort than questions, especially if you make them think about their own opinions and worldview. Government hates questions. So do media. Any authorities of any sort hate questions. I have lots of questions.
I would love to believe everything is exactly as it appears and the unusual, suspicious stuff really is just coincidence, happenstance, and accident, but I also believe people lie and are willing to cooperate to do dirty things for their own benefit.
Paredola is the tendency of people to find patterns in unrelated things and it happens every day. People see connections that aren’t real, then assume a conspiracy where there is none. It’s hard-wired into us, which is why we see shapes in clouds, spot face-shaped things quickly, or connect random, unrelated events into conspiracies. Much of what seems connected is actually just random coincidence. Coincidence is an amazing thing. Even things that are “one in a million!” are still likely to happen fairly frequently. Oh, and how could I forget that #23 craziness!
The 90s were great for jackass conspiracy theories about the UN, Russian invasions, black helicopters, etc. I remember one guy who tried to correlate NASA launches with earthquakes to prove we were causing them. None of which turned out to be true. The last few years have also been entertaining. Remember the nukes in Charleston rumor or the Jade Helm craziness? Alex Jones has been a great example. I’ve watched the man claim all sorts of half-baked things. I think it’s off the top of his head and he just goes with it, like the time he claimed a random power outage was the NWO training us to… accept power outages?
I think conspiracy theories might also help some people cope with what is otherwise a vast, cool, unsympathetic universe that couldn’t give a shit about them. At least there’s comfort in knowing the chaos is actually an evil plan you can resist, even if your resistance is just telling other people about the world-shattering truth you know. It’s a lot scarier to think you’re just a helpless single entity in a universe that doesn’t give a shit and random stuff just keeps raining down on you and it will never change (sounds like religion, huh?). You know, I can’t help thinking right now conspiracy theories probably satisfy that same part of the brain that derives comfort from religion.
But whether conspiracies are real, or not, isn’t it funny how we can never agree on even the biggest, most-witnessed and media-covered events? A president gets killed with cameras recording it and hundreds of witnesses and cops and guards and we still don’t know for sure what happened. Jetliners crash into buildings live on tv with thousands of witnesses and survivors and cops and soldiers and we still don’t know what happened. A dude shoots 500+ people out of a crowd of 20,000 with countless witnesses, cameras, cops, guards, etc and we still don’t know what happened.
Conspiracy theories were bound to happen due to two very simple things:
#1 – Government intrusion into our lives.
#2 – Argument from authority.
As the government exerted increasing levels of control the cracks in that powerbase began to appear. While they still firmly believe they are infallible, the ugly truth is that “collateral damage” is more than just a military term these days. Or maybe it isn’t, given how our government is apparently “at war” with most of us these days.
Still, the government trudges on, determined that it can fix anything, using an army of paid scientists and think tanks to generate results perfectly in line with what they need in that moment, and sweeping anything unpleasant (ie: conflicting reports) under the rug. Sweeping something under the rug doesn’t destroy it though, the witnesses and other traces remain, and innate human curiosity drives us towards truth as inexorably as movements of the stars. People poke. And prod. They look under the rug, and when they find skeletons they shake with rage and demand answers. The government offers nothing in return, “its conspiracy theories” they say, “ignore the idiots,” and by and large people go back to their business. They argue from their position of power that such things are impossible.
Their use of the sciences has been deplorable, everything we’ve accomplished this last century has slowly been twisted and corrupted, not only by government coercion, but by the minds who are trying to red-pill themselves into sanity. “If global warming is a false narrative, then so are vaccines. And the globe. And the moon. Its all a conspiracy.” For a lot of people there is a certain level of comfort in denial of all government funded research efforts. Its a helluva lot easier than piecing through every study and drawing your own conclusions.
There is only one way, logically, to solve the problem of government conspiracy theories and their assorted scientific problems:
Shrink the government. Reduce its power and scope.
Thats really the only hope the world has at this point, and from all appearances the United States of America is the sole country with a people obsessed enough with their personal freedoms to take their politicians to the woodshed if things get too out of hand.
I hope this is the 4T that it happens. If we make it through this turning with even fewer liberties I’m not sure we’ll make it to the next one, the world will dissolve into a Dark Age, killing the Information Revolution before it ever really got going.
“Just the facts”. Following the facts can, in and of themselves, expose the fabrications and confirm the suspicions of false flags. The problems arise with conjecture that connects the fact dots to a possible scenario where an outcome is postulated. It is in the speculation where our human nature takes us (I go there too) into a place where the attacks can be discounted by whoever is attempting to withhold the truth. Once the speculation can be discounted, the facts get thrown out with the bath water. Try as they might, they cannot throw out the facts and if the facts are stressed, there will be the possibility to bring down the the fabrications of the official story.
https://archive.org/stream/OperationNorthwoods/operation_northwoods_djvu.txt
That’s the complete text to Operation Northwoods.
Read it. Deliberately kill innocent Americans, hijack US airliners and blow them up. Set ships on fire and stage mock funerals to amp up the populace. Do whatever is necessary to start a war with someone who hasn’t done anything to you using your own criminal activities as a pretext.
THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF!!!
Then start in on the paredola effect or whatever other smokescreen you can come up with to cover up the fact that your own government conspires to mass murder it’s own citizens in order to wage a trumped up war for profit.
Sometimes we see patterns BECAUSE THERE ARE PATTERNS.
HSF, seems we think a lot alike si I guess it’s ok for me to eat what you’re cooking lol. Gotta get me some of that syrup bud!
WTC free fall conspiracy theory is based on 3 items of ignorance:
1) The structure of the WTC. Specifically, the WTC buildings are basically Christmas trees with a steel skeleton holding up all of the floors.
2) While jet fuel isn’t enough to melt all the steel – it doesn’t have to. Heating up steel weakens it, weakened steel Christmas tree with 500,000 tons hanging from it – roughly 100,000 tons being above the fire zone for WTC2 – means a structural collapse is very possible.
3) Once a collapse starts, the speed would be free fall because the weight is simply unstoppable. The Christmas tree was designed to hold up a static weight of 500,000 tons, not 10,000 or 100,000 tons moving at 9.8 feet per second squared acceleration = 15 to 20 miles per hour after falling just 10 feet.
There’s a video somewhere of a much smaller building in the Netherlands that had a similar construction setup, which had a straight out office fire, and which “collapsed at free fall speed”. People are just used to the more typical building construction where the weight distribution is via a mesh of load bearing structures rather than a steel skeleton.
Yeah, except that most of the steel turned to dust and there wasn’t near enough rubble on the ground to account for two 110 story buildings.
Oh, and speaking of Las Vegas
https://youtu.be/zNqxUuyHFzc
Not to mention the steel turned into rivers of molten steel according to firefighters, which needs intensive heat, hotter than just a fire.
You are so ignorant that you don’t have the means to comprehend the depth of your ignorance.
1) “Christmas trees” don’t have load-bearing structure to which the outer ends of all the branches are attached.
2) The fires were not hot enough and did not burn long enough to heat any of the structural steel, in either the core or the exterior columns, enough to weaken it. There was a serious fire, hotter and longer burning than the 9/11 fires, in the North Tower in 1975, after which no structural steel or even floor trusses had to be replaced. Also, the floor truss structure was fire tested in the course of post-9/11 investigation, at a temperature and duration far exceeding that which occurred on 9/11; it did not fail.
3) Free-fall acceleration can only happen under free-fall conditions – i.e. no opposing force, such as the undamaged structure under the falling portions of the structure. And the Twin Towers were way, way overbuilt relative to static gravity load, for the simple reason that if they hadn’t been, the first good wind storm that came along would have knocked them over.
There’s a video somewhere . . .
Link or
bullshitbald-faced fucking lie.Dancing Jews, 9/11, Tra-la-la-la la.
Zara–I definitely will give you this one.
“Six months before the 9/11 attacks the World Trade Center was “privatized” by being leased to a private sector developer. The lease was purchased by the Silverstein Group for $3.2 billion. “This is a dream come true,” Larry Silverstein said. “We will be in control of a prized asset, and we will seek to develop its potential, raising it to new heights.”
–the towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built.
Instead of renovation, Silverstein is rebuilding, funded by the insurance coverage on the property which ‘fortuitously’ covered acts of terrorism. Even better, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy, based on the two, in Silverstein’s view, separate attacks. The total potential payout is $7.1 billion, more than enough to build a fabulous new complex and leave a hefty profit for the Silverstein Group, including Larry Silverstein himself.
Not a bad return for Silverstein and his partner Lloyd Goldman on a $98 million deposit.
Not to mention Silverstein was on camera saying Building 7 was “pulled.”
A surprise birthday party would legally not be classified as a conspiracy.
Yes there are 2 or more involved, and they are planning something secret, but no one’s Rights will be violated as a result of the plan.
The element of evil must also be included for the scheme to legally be considered a conspiracy.
On the other hand, if 2 or people plan to give a person a pair of Argyle socks for their birthday present, that may be considered a conspiratorial act of fashion terrorism…
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“IS IT WRONG TO QUESTION THE OFFICIAL STORY WHEN TRAGEDY STRIKES?”
Absolutely not. While not every questioning is legitimate or even rational, to accept whatever any government says without question is precisely what the John Podesta emails described – an “unaware and compliant citizenry.”
Not every tragedy/freak event is orchestrated or should be considered to have been orchestrated; having said that, for citizens of any country (not just the U.S.) to be expected never to engage in their own analyses, research, and fact verification is ridiculous.
Additionally, the oddly timed and highly curious “disappearance” or “suicides” of specific people who have been eyewitnesses to notable events will only drive people to question official narratives. Heck, Kymberley Suchomel, a female survivor of Las Vegas, died at home the other day after writing a detailed account of what she saw. The security guard who was shot (Jesus Campos) has gone missing. Sure, there could be reasonable explanations as to why Suchomel died and why Campos is MIA… and maybe these explanations are nefarious.
Moreover, after seeing the gov’t lie about Iraq/9-11/Osama/WMDs, it’s impossible not to be skeptical. And even if 9-11 was not an inside job (not saying it was), governments have often used false flags as pretexts for war or for the encroachment upon civil liberties. In America and elsewhere. They’d do it internally too if they had something to gain.
Check out the Montauk Project sometime…experiments in time, abduction and abuse of children, and other ghastly stuff. Lots of YouTube interviews of participants.
Government sponsored, of course…
It was the basis for the TV Series “Stranger Things”:
https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/stranger-things-true-story-montauk-project-philadelphia-experiment
And they literally “created a monster” (not to be confused with the “Montauk Monster” creature that washed up on the beach at Montauk, NY):
“We finally decided we’d had enough of the whole experiment. The contingency program was activated by someone approaching Duncan while he was in the chair and simply whispering “The time is now.” At this moment, he let loose a monster from his subconscious. And the transmitter actually portrayed a hairy monster. It was big, hairy, hungry and nasty. But it didn’t appear underground in the null point. It showed up somewhere on the base. It would eat anything it could find. And it smashed everything in sight. Several different people saw it, but almost everyone described a different beast.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BG6HfvCMpA
Israeli Mossad. They made sure all those buildings collapsed into their footprints. No planes necessary.
I think I started a shitfest about 8 hours after the Vegas shooting when I made my comments in general about it being a false flag and pointed out several things I immediately saw as evidence something smelled of bullshit. Because My initial reaction was not sadness and purely the belief in the narrative at that time (lone gunman, 2 windows, many dead, auto weapon etc) I got attacked. Here, by many of you. Seems there are sheeple everywhere and that wasn’t even my sheeple test. If you cannot stop, listen and think for yourself objectively based on what you see and hear and disengage from the narrative you might be a sheeple. You are ripe for name-calling upon those non sheeple and the words you will use sound a lot like conspiracy theorist……
Gulf of Tonkin never was, MK Ultra has been admitted to by your govt, in 25 years you may learn the truth about so called alien abductions were performed by your own military for the new military mk ultra experiments, and yes all the “alien” aircraft are our newest military flying aircraft that will be used in the next major conflict. Gomer says, surprise surprise.
Vegas update! The hotel security guard, the one that got shot in the leg, yeah him. He was schedule to speak publicly and an hour prior he went missing according to the fbi. My theory is he was an illegal alien immigrant hired knowingly by MGM given a gun (illegals cannot have any gun!). MGM is scared shitless of the lawsuit because his actions kicked off the rampage. He got paid millions to disappear. Oh and the shooters house was broken into while under FBI surveillance 3 days after the shooting. The shooter had to be a leftist pussy hat wearing antifa I guarantee, how you ask because our fake media refuses to even label him. They cannot in any way label him a dumb redneck alt right they so badly want, but can’t so they don’t label at all. They learned not to when it’s their ilk like the congress baseball game shooter, a leftist. The shooters reason was to make a point, guns are too easy to acquire and are prolific causing only murder and should be banned. Remember Hillary was supposed to win and change or eliminate certain rights and this one would have banned the 2nd amend if she was in. They gotta keep the gun narrative alive until the are back in power to finish stealing our rights since obummer never finished.
Going to the moon? Understand Van Allen belts (impassable radiation), and understand why NASA refuses to take a picture of ball earth, but its instead a series of data turned into a photoshop, they admit this. Space is a vacuum, rockets don’t move in a vacuum. Space is 4,500 degrees, most components used in spacecraft melt at 3,200 degrees. But let’s not allow facts to destroy a narrative.
Sure we went to the moon, yeah right.
Space is 4500 degrees!!!????????? Ok…degrees what (Celsius, Fahrenheit, Rankine or Kelvin)? Second, this is a CONSTANT??????????? Everywhere in “space” exists at the exact same temperature? Do you understand the 3 types of heat transfer (can you even name them?) Which one (and only one) applies to a vacuum? How well do you know the 0th, 1st and 2nd Laws of Thermodynamics (and yes there is a 0th law)???
That may be the most idiotic thing I have heard in a long fucking time…yet you expect me “think critically.” Maybe you should listen to people who have the first fucking clue about physics before you make such statements.
Sorry, I apologize. I didn’t read your comment thoroughly. “Rockets don’t move in a vacuum” is the most idiotic thing I have heard in a long time….in my defense, “Space is 4500 degrees” is a close second.
“Rockets don’t move in a vacuum” is the most idiotic thing I have heard in a long time…”
Fun fact: Are you aware that this exact idiocy was actually endorsed by the New York Times, when they were busy “unbiasedly” slandering Robert Goddard?
https://www.popsci.com/military-aviation-amp-space/article/2009-07/new-york-times-nasa-youre-right-rockets-do-work-space
Hey, truthy, how do comets get around in that vacuum of space? I hope HSF has a better analysis of why we never went to the moon. truthy is starting to sound like Alex Jones.
EC
truthy calls in to radio show:
https://youtu.be/7jHd0SPnzSU
The truth is Americans are so deeply immersed in a multitude of conspiracies that they are totally confused (brainwashed into nonsense by design) and have no idea how to navigate back to the truth. The falseflag attacks are real conspiracies and are actively covered up using every tool of the shadow fbi and nsa toolset but the falseflags are the carrots of confusion the evil ones feed us by design explicitly to make sure every spends their time on those events rather than spending the time unravelling the confusion so that the real conspiracy can be revealed and the conspirators clearly identified. I knew by 1998 that, whom I called back then, the Iran Contra boys were going to execute a major attack on the us to implement a nazi style police state. I knew that George W. Bush would be president when this attack happened, I knew they would blame foreign mujahadeen descendents and take us to war across middle east. I warned everyone, conracted federal law enforcement and even gave impromptu speaches in school to warn the masses. Guess what happened.. everyone called me a whack job. I had already tracked down the culprits who overthrew the government and I even wiggled my way in to key positions to gain humint on their drug running empire and key associates and new where to look because I read the entire Iran Contra hearings transcripts and walsh prosecutions, then I researched every single criminal involved, their past gov work, past private sector associations, family geneology and past associates, secret brotherhoods and ‘charity’ work. I was able to piece together a major plan that was almost identical to nazi take over of Germany – almost identical because it was the American families who funded Hitler and his cronies and financed and owned weapons factories that built the nazi war machine whom we also drug runners with family lineage back to opium smuggling pirates – George Bush speech on WTC rubble was an almost exact translation of Hitlers speech on the Reichstag rubble. I knew all this background by 1998. No one listened, they did attack and ridicule me though. By 2002 I discovered how they use drug money, banking, and buying corporations to give their fascist operative networks access to over $50 trillion a year budget. It is so big that there are people who think they are in the US military and working on military bases but they are not, they are actually working in facilities and in organizations that appear to be government but actually completely established and run by these drug/banking pirate organizations -the level of confusion literally goes that deep -hundreds of thousands of people working for an organization that they think is the government but operated soley by laundered drug money that is fractionally reserved through the money multiplier.
By 2010 after reading case law across 1000s of years I realized the onion had even many more layers that finally revealed the truth – the government had been overthrown from the beginning because the people didn’t understand what was happening. In the 1600s the corporate governance had been discovered in Britain which in the context I am referring to is that lawyers could redefine the definition of ‘person’ and successfully get everyone to volunteer into obligations that are basically slavery. The courts were incorporated, the people were incorporated into persons subject to statutory law thereby having the individual contractually give up rights in exchange for statutory defined (changeable) privileges. One following the historical line of the BAR, corporate governance, original 13th amendment deleted from history, civil war – greenback unlawful tender, never ratified 14th amendment becoming an amendment illegally that subjegates the people of the united states into corporate personhood to apply statutes to the men and women making up the People, legal tender cases using foreign precedent to circumvent article 1 section 10 tender laws ruled on by Supreme justices who were being paid in unlawful tender while ruling the tender legal, corporate united states formation, fed reserve takeover, birth certificate introduction, drivers licensing, State and City incorporation, incorporation of courts. This thread of history, when examined in detail, reveals that the BAR association administrators are conspiring to eliminate liability from accusers (really eliminate accusers altogether) in criminal court cases that gives BAR members exclusive control over the ability to accuse someone criminally and especially to eliminate any one’s access to the Grand jury so that the courts can be used to hurt someone who doesn’t go along with the corporate personhood slave model. The bar association elites are levying war on the United States, they have overthrown the Constitutional government of the United States and their ‘courts’ when investigated properly reveal that they are committing all elements of the crimes of Extortion, Fraud, Theft, Racketeering, Human Trafficking, Conspiracy.
If the people didn’t just question everything but learned, understood and actually upheld the law properly every single judge, prosecutor, BAR administrators and much of law enforcement would be indicted for treason by our Grand Juries, trial juries would convict and sentence them to death. If americans were not fat, sloppy, confused, intellectually bankrupted and corrupted the people working in the criminal justice system would be lawfully executed en masse. Once you find out the truth, you know it is not only a conspiracy but you are already the victim of their crime so were your parents and grand parents but the thing about the crime of fraud is that you don’t know you were defrauded until after the crime took place. Almost all of you will never know because you don’t have the will to read 10s of thousands of pages of Iran Contra testimoney much less thousands of years of law and case law to understand how they did it.
Your screwed if you are just now starting to question. You already lost the war for your freedom from slavery to criminals you might found this out if you question and put in the time but you won’t so enjoy your slavery to criminals. In the mean time I will be at the Grand jury gathering more hard evidence of their obstruction of justice and proof that they overthrew the government so that if you do wake up that we may see them all hang in our lifetimes.
“One thing that strikes me about all of the mass shootings of the past few years, is the great diversity in location and venue.”
Until you realize what they all had in common.
With perhaps two exceptions, EVERY spree shooting in the USA since 1950 has taken place where honest citizens are not allowed to carry guns. That’s no coincidence.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/335739/facts-about-mass-shootings-john-fund
This isn’t a “conspiracy theory” any more than noting that any living thing will arrange events over which it has control in a manner so as to minimize potential resistance.