Stucky QOTD: SEASTEADING

Bases on the book review/article below, I AM going to purchase and read the book. It sounds immensely interesting. I was going to wait until I read it … but, I cant.

From the sea we came, to the sea we shall return. Perhaps. So, please read the article below, and then answer the following two questions.

Q1: Is “SEASTEADDING”  a viable technology for humanity in the next 50 years … and do you find it exciting?

Q2: What other technologies might be found over the next 50 years which could save, or revolutionize, humanity? 

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FINAL House Update: In 15 minutes we’re going to the old house to meet the movers, who are going to move our remaining shit to 15×10 storage facility. Our realtor asked us to leave our keys on the kitchen counter. And with that act all that remains — as with much of life — is just another memory. And, even then, memories fade. Oddly enough, Ms Freud is having a hard time “letting go”.

Article follows.


When I first read the title of Joe Quirk’s book, I laughed.

The full title is, Seasteading: How Floating Cities Will Restore The Environment, Enrich the Poor, Cure the Sick, and Liberate Humanity from Politicians.

Don’t get me wrong, I like the idea of seasteading: creating floating city-states free to experiment in governance. But I figured Quirk must have been overselling the prospects a bit with that title. Joe Quirk is a guy who likes to joke around, so I assumed the title was a lighthearted exaggeration. A hyperbolic hook.

By the time I finished the book I was utterly convinced that seasteading will save the world.

The biggest takeaway is how remarkably unimaginative world leaders currently are. Quirk’s book presents countless technologies and businesses which are solving the world’s biggest problems.

Many of these are still in research and experimentation phase. Certainly, not all of them will emerge as viable models.

But I was surprised by how little I had heard about these emerging technologies and promising innovations.

From sustainable ocean farming to providing healthcare to the poorest people on Earth, why aren’t politicians pursuing these things? Why isn’t the media reporting on the fact that private enterprises are cleaning the oceans as a byproduct of their business model, or that city-states like Hong Kong and Singapore are able to subsidize housing without charging high taxes?

The powers that be are not interested in real solutions. They are interested in fake solutions that give them real power. In fact, perhaps if a solution seems too promising, it will be marginalized by those politicians and their media tools.

Why would world leaders want to promote a good thing that they are not a part of?

And what happens when private enterprise solves all the problems government has failed to make a dent in?

Real Solutions

The book covers all angles, as the title suggests. This is not about libertarian philosophy, although the benefits of competing governments is certainly a theme. This is about real solutions to pressing problems.

There is so much useful information in this book, that I was wondering the whole time why I had never heard much of it before. Why didn’t I know ocean fish farming can be profitable and actually improve the environment? Why hadn’t I heard about advancements in wave power and ocean current electricity? How has an organization delivering affordable care to the poorest people via floating hospitals not been widely touted?

That is the path you are taken down in Seasteading. Quirk leads you slowly through the stories of why people are trying to seastead. And it is definitely not just libertarians!

Environmentalists and ocean conservationists see seasteading as the best, and possibly only way, to stop the deterioration of the ocean and reverse its death. They understand that seasteading will help remove carbon pollution and provide non-polluting farms with staples of sustainable fish, seaweed, and algae.

You may think these environmentalists are wrong about carbon footprints, and the environmental impact humans have made. And that is what’s great about these solutions: they are private businesses. No one is trying to raise your taxes to pay for carbon credits or make the price of fuel skyrocket. These people are not trying to restrict you in any way, like the politicians’ anti-human stance on climate change. The seasteaders are in fact providing benefits like lower cost fuel and cheaper healthier food.

The defenders of the poor and oppressed see that seasteading can provide opportunities for the poverty-stricken, and safe havens for refugees. Ocean-going medical tourism is the quickest way to solve severe problems in the American healthcare system. The seas are bubbling with energy that could be harnessed for electricity.

One business provides medical care for Westerners at a fraction of the price in their homelands. But the real passion behind the business was giving medical care to the poorest people in India. Rather than run a charity that depends on donations, they created a for-profit business. That’s how you make “charity” sustainable. Rich folks from the west benefit by saving money on important procedures. Poor Indians benefit by having their insurance and procedures subsidized by the rich Westerners.

And yes, seasteading will absolutely improve government, because you can easily exit a bad situation. Quirk provides interesting details about Singapore’s quick prosperity after being expelled from Malaysia. He explores why Hong Kong has been able to remain independent despite the giant at its door. He looks at tiny nations that have historically benefitted from being islands. Would they benefit even more if they could move?

The information in this book is huge. We are on the horizon of seeing governments behave like businesses, which means peace is more profitable than war. War will become a burden for governments and contractors alike, not a way to monopolize resources and funnel wealth from the poor. Energy will become a clean commodity as abundant as salt water. Saltwater, by the way, will become fresh water–well some of it, for drinking and such.

Quirk brings his book to an informative crescendo, where you can almost hear the symbols clashing with every fact he drops. Antiquated oppressive structures of society crumble under the truth, as Atlantis rises from the depths of the ocean.

You obviously should take what I am saying with a grain of salt. I was already super excited about seasteading. I am basically THE target audience for this book. But it won’t just appeal to the likes of me. It has history, science, philosophy, politics, and even a touch of literature.

And of course, you have to take what Joe Quirk says with a grain of salt as well. He works for the Seasteading Institute, and this book is an avenue of promotion. He backs up the facts, but of course, he is going to present the best case scenario for Seasteading.

Still, I can’t recommend this book enough. And no, I was absolutely not incentivized in any way to provide this glowing review. I’m not looking for a job with the Seasteading Institute, and I even paid for the book myself.

(I listened to it on Audible, while building a new pen for my goats. Try Audible and Get Two Free Audiobooks)

So if you want to hear stories about the people not just theorizing and talking about seasteading, but actually doing it, get this book.

It may just convince you that the politicians and media are simply noisemakers, distracting from the immense possibilities of solving the problems they claim are impossible. Don’t believe the hype about overpopulation, environmental destruction, or growing poverty and disease.

Seasteading basically slaps all the doomsday politicians in the face. Here are the solutions. And they empower humanity, not enslave it.

Author: Stucky

I'm right, you're wrong. Deal with it.

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hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
October 18, 2017 8:56 am

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Is that Stucky? Should we pick him up?

kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
  hardscrabble farmer
October 18, 2017 9:06 am

Do you see a goat in the pic? No. Thus, it is not Stucky.

AWB
AWB
  Stucky
October 18, 2017 1:40 pm

They’re the ones looking for you, ding bat.

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 18, 2017 9:08 am

1 People can and will do whatever they decide to do, there is no stopping that.

2 50 years from now the world will be a very, very different place. It won’t be technology that saves people from anything, people will need to save themselves from themselves or, barring that, be saved from themselves by divine intervention.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 18, 2017 9:10 am

Yeah. technology is going to save us and the world…. NOT.
Team Goy#432

BL
BL
October 18, 2017 9:10 am

This is a concept that has been around for many decades, can’t remember the futurist’s name that was designing whole cities on the ocean back in the 70’s but his designs have been improved upon greatly.

BL
BL
October 18, 2017 9:16 am

Imagine if you will, the TBP floating nation with our own government or lack there of…….

Would you vote for Stucky to be our president?

Ricky Racoon's Big Brother
Ricky Racoon's Big Brother
  BL
October 18, 2017 9:56 am

I might vote for him. But I have a few questions for him first.

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BL
BL
  BL
October 18, 2017 1:22 pm

Two downers huh………OK, would you vote for Admin to be our fearless leader at sea? Would we even need to have a leader?

Are you just totally opposed to the whole concept?

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
October 18, 2017 9:50 am

Like most “save the world” technology, seasteading is largely bunk, involving huge capital expenditures, tons of maintenance (the sea is not friendly to materials), all of which will come from Big Government.

Diogenes
Diogenes
  pyrrhus
October 18, 2017 9:56 am

BINGO!!

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  pyrrhus
October 19, 2017 1:03 am

And what about hurricane, tsunamis and rogue waves?

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Vixen Vic
October 19, 2017 1:03 am

Oh, and don’t forget seasickness.

Dutchman
Dutchman
October 18, 2017 9:55 am

Stucky – don’t drink before 9:00 am.

Work-In-Progress
Work-In-Progress
October 18, 2017 10:08 am

No, eugenics will save us.

Anonamus
Anonamus
October 18, 2017 10:12 am

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FREEDOM SHIP INTERNATIONAL – THE CITY AT SEA

Envision an ideal place to live or run a business, a friendly, safe and secure community with large areas of open space and extensive entertainment and recreational facilities. Finally, picture this community continually moving around the world. You are beginning to understand the Freedom Ship concept of a massive ocean-going vessel. With a design length of 4,500 feet, a width of 750 feet, and a height of 350 feet, Freedom Ship would be more than 4 times longer than the Queen Mary. The design concepts include a mobile modern city featuring luxurious living, an extensive duty-free international shopping mall, and a full 1.7 million square foot floor set aside for various companies to showcase their products.

Freedom Ship would not be a cruise ship, it is proposed to be a unique place to live, work, retire, vacation, or visit. The proposed voyage would continuously circle the globe, covering most of the world’s coastal regions. Its large fleet of commuter aircraft and hydrofoils would ferry residents and visitors to and from shore. The airport on the ship’s top deck would serve private and small commercial aircraft (up to about 40 passengers each). The proposed vessel’s superstructure, rising twenty-five stories above its broad main deck, would house residential space, a library, schools, and a first-class hospital in addition to retail and wholesale shops, banks, hotels, restaurants, entertainment facilities, casinos, offices, warehouses, and light manufacturing and assembly enterprises. Finally, this concept would include a wide array of recreational and athletic facilities, worthy of a world-class resort, making Freedom Ship a veritable “Community on the Sea.”

Overview

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Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Anonamus
October 18, 2017 10:30 am

Looks like Miami.

kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
  Anonamus
October 18, 2017 10:31 am

Nice floating hotel – where is the Septic hook-up?

Dutchman
Dutchman

What a downer your are. In Utopia – there is no bodily waste (sorta like Nancy Reagan).

It will always be sunny and warm. Everyone will be happy.

Anonamus
Anonamus
  Anonamus
October 18, 2017 10:43 am

The incredible mile-long floating CITY – complete with schools, a hospital, parks and an airport for its 50,000 residents.

*The Freedom Ship is 25 storys high and would feature a casino, an art gallery, a park and a shopping center. *The concept, designed by a Florida-based company would cost $10 billion if was commissioned to be built. *The vessel could house 50,000 people but it would contain additional space to hold an extra 30,000 visitors. *The ship would constantly sail around the world – doing a full circuit every two years – but would be too large to enter any ports.

More info and pics: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2514936/The-incredible-mile-long-floating-CITY–complete-schools-hospital-parks-airport-50-000-residents.html

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Anonamus
October 19, 2017 1:06 am

OK, besides seasickness, what about fear of flying. I’d never get out there.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
October 18, 2017 10:41 am

And then the Cat 5 hit.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
October 18, 2017 11:12 am

The longer I think about this the more I am convinced that humanity needs a high colonic.

80,000 people produce a lot of waste and if you’re floating around you and I both know where it’s going to go. On terra firma it can be turned into soil, in the Ocean? Not so much.

TPC
TPC
October 18, 2017 11:30 am

No.

1. Raw materials will be ridiculously expensive. Every “island paradise” is either driven by 100% tourism or a cinderblock filled shithole for this reason. Soul crushing poverty.

2. Maintenance is a bitch enough in a normal city/farm. A floating city/farm? Yeesh.

3. Who will protect you from foreign aggressors? Its not like you can dig in and wait for the pirates to sail away empty handed.

Dutchman
Dutchman
  TPC
October 18, 2017 2:46 pm

Who will protect you from foreign aggressors?

Everyone will be armed – children are assigned 22 cals / teens 38’s / adults Glocks or 45’s.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Dutchman
October 19, 2017 1:08 am

And when someone nuts up and starts shooting, there’s nowhere to hide, nowhere to run, while someone takes him out.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
October 18, 2017 11:40 am

These pictures remind me of Popular Science articles from the 1970’s. None of them ever happened; none of them ever will. At any rate it would be a lot cheaper to buy one of those sand islands from the Chinese and then declare it an independent nation. It would last about as long as it took neighboring countries to invade it (with funding from the CIA).

Pablo C.
Pablo C.
October 18, 2017 12:22 pm

The only possible reason to propose this:

Free housing for all members of the FSA, no possible return once you enter your new floating panopticon.

nkit
nkit
  Pablo C.
October 18, 2017 1:37 pm

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TC
TC
October 18, 2017 12:59 pm

Dunno. Who is going to be allowed (and not allowed) in this city?

Iconoclast421
Iconoclast421
October 18, 2017 1:13 pm

At least streets can be cleaned. Imagine what it would smell like to live in some kind of floating city in a bay with a million dindus all dumping their frickin trash and excrement into the water.

Montefrío
Montefrío
October 18, 2017 1:34 pm

Landlubbers take note: there are still many areas of terra firma available for settlement by the intrepid prepared to take major risks. Seasteading implies up-front-and-personal cooperation/collaboration with others who may not share your values, and you ain’t gon’ be able to go against the tide, bro’. I’ll stand my ground on my piece of ground, thanks.

Diogenes
Diogenes
  Stucky
October 18, 2017 3:12 pm

Might have to steal the Luddites and Troglodytes for Progess line.
Luddite Goy #432

Montefrío
Montefrío
  Stucky
October 18, 2017 4:34 pm

Just remember what happened when Joan Crawford found fit to mess with troglodytes!

BL
BL
October 18, 2017 8:08 pm

Stucky- This was a tough crowd, the only way you would get any interest in this topic is if there was FREE BEER and Bacon included.

AC
AC
October 18, 2017 9:01 pm

Marine structures are expensive to build properly, and expensive to maintain. Without a significant financial up-side, this is never going to happen.

Unless Elon Musk cons the government into funding electric seasteads for him. Then it will happen, but then will cease happening when the external funding gets eventually pulled.

Oilman2
Oilman2
October 18, 2017 9:40 pm

I think it MIGHT be done, but having worked and lived offshore for a very long time, I can tell you that large structures like this are extremely expensive to maintain. Maintenance costs for MODUs (mobile offshore drilling units) are not cheap. Just getting rid of barnacles and shellfish is a huge problem, and if you don’t – you will be dragging a reef with you in just a few years. And then you have to replace the hull anodes every year or two as well, and there will be thousands on something that size. When the sewage system backs up, somebody has to go into the shitbox (sewage compartment) and unblock the pump. If a ballast pump goes out, it has to be fixed of the thing starts listing quickly, depending on which pump is out and how much leakage the thing has daily, and it will have that leakage. You gotta have ballast or the thing gets whacky in a hurry.

You are ON YOUR OWN when you are at sea, so spares for everything have to be on hand – that cost is not inconsequential.

And as HSF said, where do you route the thing so as to avoid all tropical storms, because something this big isn’t going to outrun much of anything.

I’m thinking buying a string of islets would be a much wiser thing, if you got the creds to do that. Me? I’ll stick with my 40 acres in Western Malofia…

BSHJ
BSHJ
October 19, 2017 4:43 pm

Funny, I did not see any sails or solar panels…..what drives this thing? (you KNOW it is not oil or nuclear)