ALIEN 1: We’re from Outer Space. We’re here to help.

By Doug “Uncola” Lynn via TheBurningPlatform.com

If I were to provide you with a factual summary involving outer space aliens, WikiLeaks, an Apollo 14 astronaut who was the sixth man to walk on the Moon, a guitarist from a Grammy-nominated rock group, a former Democratic campaign chief and presidential chief of staff, several U.S. Presidents, Area 51, the Vatican, and Jimmy Kimmel, would I have your attention? Good.  Now, sit back and fasten your seat belts. This will be quite the ride.

What has become known as the Podesta Files were revealed on Wednesday, October 12, 2016 when Wikileaks released 7,000 e-mails sent and received by John Podesta, then the Campaign Chairman for Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton.  Within the information dump, correspondence was discovered from former Apollo astronaut, Edgar Mitchell, who cited an “impending space war and the Vatican’s knowledge of alien life”.

Also referred to in the e-mails as Mitchell’s “Catholic colleague”, was a lady by the name of Terri Mansfield, a self-proclaimed Director of the ETI (Extraterrestrial Intelligence) Peace Task Force who, according to her website, considers the “contiguous universe ETI” to be “nonviolent, obedient to God, and superior to all celestials in our universe” .  Evidently, the ETI Peace Task Force believes extraterrestrial intelligence has evolved to the point of being one-hundred percent obedient to God, with a desire for justice and a steadfast commitment to non-violence:

 

AS WE ENTER 2017, YEAR OF JUSTICE, EXCLUDED FROM OUR MISSION AND ENVIRONS ARE EVERYONE AND ANYONE WHO ARE NOT NOW IN OBEDIENCE TO GOD. ONLY THOSE ARE INCLUDED AND INVITED TO PARTICIPATE WITH US WHO ARE IN OBEDIENCE TO GOD, FACILITATED BY 100% OBEDIENCE TO GOD’S 100%, THEREFORE, NONVIOLENT, ETI, EXTRATERRESTRIAL INTELLIGENCE. AS A PROCESS OF SELF-ELIMINATION, WE WORK ONLY WITH THOSE ETI IN THE CONTIGUOUS UNIVERSE. OVER MILLIONS OF YEARS, OUR ETI HAVE EVOLVED TO NONVIOLENCE, AND OVERSEE ALL CELESTIALS IN OUR UNIVERSE WHO ARE NOT YET 100% OBEDIENT TO GOD. IT IS A PRIVILEGE TO SERVE GOD WHILE ASSISTING OUR ETI TO BRING ZERO POINT ENERGY TO OUR PLANET.

 

Did you catch that? About extraterrestrial intelligence and God? More on that later.

Also included in the Podesta Files were e-mails from Tom DeLonge, the guitarist and vocalist for the pop-rock group Blink 182 who reached out to Podesta in 2015 to try and connect “important people” with information regarding secret government programs:

 

‘I would like to bring two very important people out to meet you in DC,’ the musician wrote in an October 2015 email. ‘I think you will find them very interesting, as they were principal leadership relating to our sensitive topic. Both were in charge of most fragile divisions, as it relates to Classified Science and DOD topics. Other words, these are A-level officials. Worth our time, and as well the investment to bring all the way to you.’

 

Obviously, the reason the musician Tom DeLonge, the astronaut Ed Mitchell, and the justice-seeking earthling Terri Mansfield were e-mailing John Podesta was because they believed him to be a key component in the battle to unveil the U.S. Government’s classified UFO files. In fact, as far back as 2002, Podesta, who was once the former White House Chief of Staff under Bill Clinton, actually petitioned the Pentagon to declassify its UFO records. Additionally, in February 2015, as an advisor to President Obama, Podesta tweeted regarding his “biggest failure”:

 

Finally, my biggest failure of 2014: Once again not securing the #disclosure of the UFO files. #thetruthisstilloutthere cc: @NYTimesDowd

John Podesta (@Podesta44) February 13, 2015

 

Furthermore, Podesta wrote the forward for Leslie Kean’s 2010 book, “UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go on the Record” and he influenced Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton into promising to reveal the truth about UFOS and a mysterious U.S. Air Force facility in Nevada named Area 51:

 

Referring to Podesta, Hillary said, ‘He has made me personally pledge we are going to get the information out. One way or another. Maybe we could have a task force go to Area 51.

 

 

In March of 2016, Hillary, on the Jimmy Kimmel show, also reaffirmed her pledge to make the UFO files public.

Surely, given the level of interest in UFO’s, there must be some truth behind it all, right? In fact, just this week the Drudge Report featured one article about an orb over Phoenix as well as another, separate post linking to a map of all of the reported sightings of UFOs from 1995-2014. According to the latter article’s description of UFO sightings:

 

The data also reveals that more and more have been reported since 2009 – perhaps suggesting a new interstellar bypass has been built that brings alien aircraft closer to Earth.

 

So, what is it about this phenomenon that prompted author, pastor, and UFO chaser, L.A. Marzulli, to  designate it as “real, burgeoning, and not going away” while at the same time, along with others, claiming it could be the forthcoming “powerful delusion” as described in the Bible?

 

The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

– 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

 

In order to better understand, we must first bridge the gap between Science Fiction and Ufology.

 

I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal

 – Ezekiel 1:4

 

I thought that they were angels but to my surprise

They climbed aboard their starship and headed for the skies

Singing come sail away come sail away

Come sail away with me

Come sail away come sail away

Come sail away with me

 

 – Dennis De Young / Styx

 

If, for the sake of brevity, we disregard the Nephilim as mentioned in the book Genesis, the fallen angels as described in the apocryphal Book of Enoch (also referred to in the Book of Jude), prehistoric cave drawings of aircraft, the Anunnaki of ancient Sumeria, Greek Mythology, and the mathematical precision of the Great Pyramids of Giza, one of the first men to combine science and fiction was a German mathematician and astronomer by the name of Johannes Kepler.  Kepler (1571-1630), a devout Christian, defined three scientific laws of planetary motion which later provided the basis for Sir Isaac Newton’s theory of universal gravitation. In his spare time he also wrote a science fiction story, called Sominium, about demons that flew people to the Moon.

Years later other writers like Edgar Allan Poe and Mary Shelly, although not scientists per se, infused their stories with scientific concepts.  In the example of Shelly, she based her tale of Frankenstein on Luigi Galvani’s experiments where he used electricity to animate the amputated legs of frogs.  However, it was the sci-fi writing Frenchman, Jules Verne (1828 – 1925), who lamented Edgar Allen Poe’s lack of attention to scientific detail and decided to spin tales based on actual science:

 

Writing to his father in 1862 about Poe’s story ‘The Balloon Hoax’, Verne noted that he would strive to use realistic characters and a plausible use of science to impact his stories, rather than in fantasy constructs.

 

Accordingly, Verne, the author of Journey to the Center of the Earth, From Earth to the Moon, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, and Around the World in 80 Days, dedicated himself to the methodical study of science in order to make his tales seem realistic.

 

 

Nonetheless, it was Herbert George Wells (1866-1946), the author of War of the Worlds and The Time Machine who took science fiction authorship to entirely new levels.  H.G. Wells actually studied biology and the Theory of Evolution under the tutelage of Aldous Huxley’s father, Thomas Huxley, at the Normal School of Science in London, England.  During his day, Thomas Huxley was such a fierce advocate of evolution that he became known as “Darwin’s Bulldog”. Be that as it may, Wells was a Fabian socialist who believed the science of evolution had collapsed the teachings of Christianity “like a house of cards”.

A prolific writer and visionary, Wells wrote over 100 books and, although many of his predictions never came to pass, he did foreshadow the airplane, the atomic bomb, the tank, bustling superhighways, and he prognosticated World War II.  Consequently, the reality of H.G. Wells’ writing inspired the infamous War of the Worlds radio broadcast by Orson Welles in 1938 which unconditionally demonstrated the public’s overall susceptibility to alien beliefs.  And so began the twentieth-century’s far-reaching foray into the prolific propagation of science fiction and its ensuing electronic media onslaught.

What began as a trickle by mid-century became a flood in the latter 25 years leading up to the new millennium. After the year 2000 however, it grew into an all-consuming tidal-wave of unbridled artistic expression.  As the writings of Isaac Asimov, Robert Heinlein, Ray Bradbury, Frank Herbert, Philip K. Dick, Arthur C. Clarke, and others, paved the way for television series and films such as Star Trek2001: A Space Odyssey, Star Wars, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Alien, E.T. the Extraterrestrial, Cocoon , Contact, Dune, Battlestar Galactica, The Time Machine, The Fifth Element, Lost in Space, The X Files, Men In Black, Independence Day ,and far, far too many more to mention here; the imaginings of aliens from outer space was, eventually, branded indelibly onto the collective psyche of earthlings worldwide.

Paradoxically, over the same time period, the fiction of the science became increasingly sustained by real-life phenomena. Indeed, strange happenings were appearing on a global basis; seemingly everywhere, within and beyond the ethereal atmosphere of our blue planet.

This is where science fiction meets science fact.

The study of unidentified flying objects is called Ufology. Obviously, this is independent from science fiction because it is not fiction at all; it is instead based on actual observation. Again for the sake of brevity, I will not catalog here the entire history of life-forms viewing mysterious lights and objects in the sky, which has occurred from when the original anaerobic prokaryotes first oozed from the primordial swamp. My point is this: UFO’s, and their corresponding implication of life beyond earth, have grown into a worldwide phenomenon. If you don’t believe me, just read the news headlines on any given day.

At this point, and for the purposes of transparency, I must tell the readers the following fact: I have had my own, personal, close encounter.  It’s true. On Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 11:46 PM, while standing on my back deck looking up at the stars, I saw an orb of light that looked very much like the photo below. Appearing to defy gravity, I watched it descend less than a quarter mile from where I was standing.  It was like nothing I had ever, personally, witnessed before.  There was no way to explain its presence other than as being unidentified and having the appearance of flying; although I will concede it seemed more light than object. In any case, it fell in the dark, with no other lights in near proximity, and it appeared to enter a pond located in the field behind my home.

 

(Photo of an orb very similar to what I witnessed)

 

The experience reminded me of a story my mother told me one time when I was young.  Before I was born, Mom was upstairs in a house where my family resided before my time. She saw what she described as a “fireball” enter through an open window in my brother’s bedroom and float down the hallway in slow-motion. Too stunned to speak, she was, unfortunately, the only one to see it and had long since quit telling others about it because no one believed it could have been anything other than a mere reflection or similar.  I do wonder sometimes if the fireball my mother saw was like what I witnessed.  Notwithstanding, many others have also had experiences of this type; including none other than former U.S. President Jimmy Carter:

 

During the presidential campaign of 1976, Democratic challenger Carter was forthcoming about his belief that he had seen a UFO. He described waiting outside for a Lion’s Club Meeting in Leary, Georgia, to begin, at about 7:30 p.m., when he spotted what he called ‘the darndest thing I’ve ever seen’ in the sky. Carter, as well as 10 to 12 other people who witnessed the same event, described the object as ‘very bright [with] changing colors and about the size of the moon.’  Carter reported that ‘the object hovered about 30 degrees above the horizon and moved in toward the earth and away before disappearing into the distance.’  He later told a reporter that, after the experience, he vowed never again to ridicule anyone who claimed to have seen a UFO.

During the presidential campaign of 1976, Carter promised that, if elected president, he would encourage the government release ‘every piece of information’ about UFOs available to the public and to scientists. After winning the presidency, though, Carter backed away from this pledge, saying that the release of some information might have ‘defense implications’ and pose a threat to national security.

 

Ooooooh. The intrigue. What is it about the U.S. Presidency, their advisors, and secret UFO files?  It seems to be trending.

Hard to believe, isn’t it?

Yet, today, it seems more and more people want to believe; even to the point of combining what they’ve imbibed from science fiction books, television programming, and films, with the mysterious objects and lights viewed in the surrounding air.  And why not?  There is a certain comfort in appreciating the continuity of mankind as delineated by Isaac Asimov’s Foundation series; the Federation of Star Trek going where no man has gone before; the Federal Republic of Star Wars, the existence of interplanetary Trade Federations and a New Galactic Order of Socialist governments, evil intergalactic corporations, and lovable little E.T. phoning “home”.

Besides all that, it appears there are other patterns and seductions at play here: The black and white simplicity of good aliens and bad aliens, a predominant theme in most modern science fiction media; the evolution of mankind as compared to advanced, more evolved, races from distant star systems; and Superman, who was Jor-El’s only son, sent to earth from the Planet Krypton.  It all sounds very familiar, doesn’t it? Isn’t Elohim one of the names for God in the Bible? Very strange, indeed.

As a matter of fact, for many citizens of planet Earth, science fiction and ufology has blended and grown into a type of hybridized global religion. Set aside, for the time being, the Star Trekkies and devotees of the Force consecrated by the Star Wars films, and consider the Raelians who believe extraterrestrials cloned humans for life on earth over 25,000 years ago. Some call this the Alien Gospel whereby Adam and Eve are now considered to have been seeded by extraterrestrials; a very common motif in modern films like Prometheus (2012), directed by acclaimed Hollywood director, Ridley Scott. Mr. Scott also directed the original Alien (1979), starring Sigourney Weaver .

Think about it. If aliens created man, maybe they might one day send a savior, or at the very least, an acid salivating predator back to Jerusalem.  In the video below, take a good look at the :55 second mark to see the supernatural ascension of an orb rising from the Dome of the Rock:

 

 

What better way to unite all of the world’s religions? Can you imagine the ramifications?  I will testify that my own UFO experience shocked and rendered me speechless in the moment. Moreover, my worldview instantly changed.  But, at the same time, what seems stranger than science fiction to me is how UFOs often appear to defy physics.  In other words, they don’t move like “crafts” per se.  Instead, like in the above video, they often appear to travel at speeds which would create g-forces that no physical entity imaginable could withstand; with pinpoint turns and extreme rates of acceleration.  Also, how did they get here?  It is difficult to imagine, especially, when considering the extent of the damage done to the Hubble Telescope by space particles:

 

In Hubble’s lifetime, the solar panels have been replaced several times, and the old panels brought down to Earth. Close inspection of these shows small cracks and chips on the surface caused by tiny particles that have hit Hubble. There is also a small hole (around a centimetre in diameter) on one of the high-gain dish antennas on the telescope, caused by an unknown object hitting it!

 

Think about that. What damage would even an infinitesimal-sized particle drifting in outer space do to a craft traveling at the speed of light?  It takes quite a leap of faith to believe that in-flight force-fields could generate sufficient energy to deflect that kind of impact.  And, even if the aliens traveled here via wormholes, how could their physical crafts withstand gravitational dynamism so powerful that it bends light and space-time?

I suppose anything is possible.  Or is it?

Either way, if extraterrestrial beings from outer space did exist and are now present in our solar system, what would explain the peculiar behavior of the bad entities? Perhaps the most contentious facet of ufology, and the extraterrestrial phenomenon in general, are assertions that humans are being abducted by aliens.  That is kidnapping and it’s against the law.  Regardless, for many sci-fi buffs and UFO enthusiasts it is a bridge too far. Even the famous cosmologist, Carl Sagan, who embraced the concept of life beyond earth, spent much his time and effort to debunk the idea of alien abductions.

But even Sagan could not adequately explain why abduction experiences are so similar for varying people all around the globe; across generational and cultural lines; and so much so that these experiences now have their own psychological designation entitled Classic Abduction Syndrome (CAS). Moreover, the UFO folklorist, Thomas Bullard, has categorized eight specific types of abduction experiences including:  Capture, Examination, Conference, Tour, Otherworldly Journey, Theophany, Return, and Aftermath.

But, Houston, we have a problem. After much study, it appears the adducting aliens are evil; and, their depredations are not simply in the minds of the beholder. The late Dr. Karla Turner, who some believe was murdered because of her revelations into the phenomenon of alien abductions, gleaned several significant observations from her research.  Here are just a few:

 

  • Aliens can alter our perceptions of our surroundings.

 

  • Abductees receive marks on their bodies…, including punctures, large bruises, three and four-fingered claw marks and triangles of every possible sort.

 

  • Female abductees often suffer gynecological problems after their alien encounters and sometimes these problems lead to cysts, tumors, cancer of the breast and uterus, and to hysterectomies.

 

  • A surprising number of abductees suffer from serious illnesses they did not have before there encounters…

 

  • Abductees report being scoffed at, jeered at, and threatened by their alien captors… Unknown fluids are injected into some abductees.

 

  • Aliens perform extremely painful experiments or procedures on abductees… Painful genital and anal probes are performed on children as well as adults.

 

  • Aliens make predictions of an imminent period of global chaos and destruction.

 

– Bates, Gary. (2004). “Alien Intrusion: UFOs and the Evolution Connection”, Master Books, Green Forest, Arkansas, December, 2004, Chapter 7, pages 241-242

 

 

 

Whatever these aliens are, they don’t seem very friendly.  Although claims of abduction have uncanny similarities and are universal among Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, agnostics, and professing believers in God, new revelations have emerged.  Professor Richard McNally from Harvard University observed that most of the abductees had:

 

…pre-existing new age beliefs – they were into bio-energetic therapies, past lives, astral projection, tarot cards, and so on.

– Bates, “Alien Intrusion”, Chapter 7, pg. 255

 

In other words, objective analysis revealed that most abductees had, in the past, experimented with the occult.  According to Joe Jordan and Wes Clark, the co-founders of CE4 Research Group, an Alien Abduction investigation firm based out of Cocoa, Florida, their team noticed another pattern which in turn, raised another question:

 

The Christians reporting the abductions experiences tended to be people who intellectually espoused the existence of God, but didn’t apply it personally.  But there seemed to be an obvious absence of devout, Bible-believing, ‘walk the walk’ Christians. Where were they in this equation?

– Bates, “Alien Intrusion”, Chapter 7, pg. 257

 

After some more research, Jordan and Clark made an astonishing discovery:

 

As the number of cases mounted, the data showed that in every instance where the victim knew to invoke the name of Jesus Christ, the event stopped. Period. The evidence was becoming increasingly difficult to ignore.

– Bates, “Alien Intrusion”, Chapter 7, pg. 259

 

So what does it all mean?  Are outer space aliens actually demons? Fallen angels?  I have no clue.  And don’t get frustrated with me as I am only a messenger here relating what I have read. However, I will say, according to the research I have seen to date, I tend to believe the alien phenomenon is not only bifurcated by the psychological imprinting of science fiction and ufology, but, possibly, by the material and metaphysical realms as well.

In the case of material UFO sightings, or actual objects, it is possible there are existing manmade technologies the average person has not yet seen.  There are those who claim Project Blue Beam is the means by which world leaders, through NASA, might one day project simulations in the sky, including a faux second coming of Christ,  using “3D holographic images, lasers and sounds to seduce people into believing in the new god” (gods?).

Even if all that was a crazy conspiracy theory, have you seen in your day-to-day experience a multitude of new technologies since the 1960’s? The microchip was invented in 1959 and the internet, microwaves, cell phones, computers, trains, planes, and automobiles have all been around for some time. Sure, the new I-phone is pretty cool and the CERN-collider is kind of impressive, but the internal combustion engine? Really?  It is so eighteenth-century.  Perhaps, then, it is possible there are advancements, military and otherwise, which we’ve not seen?  If so, wouldn’t they appear quite “alien” to the average person?

And when considering the metaphysical aspects implied within science, science fiction, and ufology, as well my, my mother’s, and former president Jimmy Carter’s, experiences as previously described, could these be, perhaps, interdimensional? Actually, this construct would, in fact, explain much of the UFO phenomenon.

In the appendix of the book previously referenced above, “Alien Intrusion”, the author, Gary Bates, provides a fascinating and thought-provoking illustration of which I have also viewed elsewhere, and for the sake of explanation will now describe.

Imagine, if you will, a two-dimensional world named Flatland. Flatland, as one would expect, is populated by a race of beings called Flatlanders:

 

 

Now, dear reader, imagine if I, a three-dimensional being, stepped into the world of Flatland like Daniel Day-Lewis with My Left Foot.  Since the Flatlanders are only two-dimensional entities, all they could see would be the outline of my foot. With no comprehension of height or depth, the Flatlanders could not conceive of where the footprint’s outline came from or how it appeared.

 

 

In an effort to capture this strange appearance, let’s say the Flatlanders constructed a cage around the footprint’s outline in order to secure it.  In this illustration, the cage would represent what is called an event horizon:

 

 

Then if I removed my foot, and if the Flatlanders removed the event horizon, they would be amazed at the phenomenon; how something appeared from nowhere and then disappeared without a trace.

 

 

To the two-dimensional Flatlanders who had no comprehension of height or depth, the footprint presented a three-fold conundrum:

 

1.)  The shape seemed to appear and disappear without cause.

 

2.) The Shape was not limited to, or impeded by, an event horizon.

 

3.) The same event horizon completely blocked the Flatlanders.

 

– Bates, “Alien Intrusion”,  Appendix, pg. 371

 

So what is the point of all this? What is the moral of the story?  Here it is:  In the days ahead, be sure to look up and all around. No matter what, consider very carefully what you think you see.  And most of all, be careful of what you believe.

Author: Uncola

I am one who has found the road less traveled while remaining a whiskered, whispering witness to the world. I hope what you just considered was worth the price and time spent. www.TheTollOnline.com

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Pieter in ZA
Pieter in ZA

So do the aliens fuck kids too? ET phone Comet Ping Pong…

outback jack
outback jack

Hmmm. Interesting. The night sky here is very dark. I have seen genuinely unidentifiable objects more times than i can count. I have pointed them out to others. Twice around the camp fire with unbelievers an ufo showed up while we were talking of ufos. One was courteous enuf to change direction then disappear with a big flash. I watch the way they move. I think they seem organic, or alive maybe. Sometimes they “dance” together like fire flies.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy

Question everything , take nothing at face value , expect and prepare for the worst and attempt to enjoy any moment you can . I say this because of the multitude of forces at work pulling , pushing at us constantly and remember the ones exclaiming they have or know the way or the secret are most likely full of shit !

Hollywood Rob

My god…please. I thought that our dilbertman was off the deep end but this takes the cake. And the pie too. There are plenty of planets in the universe that have life on them. In fact, an infinite number of them even though most of the planets in the universe don’t have life on them. But there are no alien visitors to earth. There are no alien visitors to anyplace because physical things can not travel at even close to the speed of light, and even traveling at the speed of light it would take many lifetimes for space travelers to reach the next star, let alone one that had a planet on it that sustained life. It would take too long to make the trip. All of the life forms on the spacecraft would have forgotten what it was that they were doing in the first place. But that’s not the biggest problem. The real problem with interstellar travel, no matter how you think it might be accomplished, is that no planet which is inhabitable will have enough resources on it to power the journey.

Just keep in mind that the nearest star, and that’s not one that has habitable planets going around it, still has not received our first ever radio transmissions. Those are traveling at the speed of light.

DRUD
DRUD

Rob, I tend to agree with you on interstellar travel, but you are making many specious assumptions and ignoring some physics. There are plenty of resources and energy everywhere…it is a matter of harnessing/utilizing them. Annihilation of matter could provide limitless energy from virtually any matter, if technology existed to do so. Traveling faster than light is possible by warping spacetime (General Relativity overcoming obstacles of Special Relativity)…it is a matter of frames of reference–the idea is not to travel faster than light, but to reduce the distance between the two points. This is different that wormholes. Read the Physics of Star Trek–it provides much of this framework and is written by theoretical physicist and cosmologist Lawrence Krauss.

The last point is best…information we send out can only move at the speed of light and has only been broadcast for a few decades. It would have only reached a tiny fraction of our own galaxy (I did the math one and it was like 1/100000).

“There are plenty of planets in the universe that have life on them.” This is pure assumption. If you can observe two of a thing, then it is logical to assume a third, etc. If you can observe only 1 of a thing, it is not logical to assume a second…we don’t know.

Hollywood Rob

Sorry Dude, No. Just because Gene Roddenberry needed to solve this problem in a book does not mean that he in fact did solve this problem. He just wrote a book. As far as you know, as far as I know, as far as anybody knows, nothing can travel faster than light and nothing warps space. As to your last point, it really revolves around whether space is finite or infinite. If space is infinite then there are an infinite number of stars, an infinite number of galaxys, and an infinite number of planets around the stars. That also means that if there is one planet with life on it, and we can argue about the intelligence of that life later, then there are an infinite number of planets with life on them. There is no logic required. We need not make assumptions beyond an infinite universe. If it is infinite then the number of inhabited planets is infinite. Ergo ipso facto the number of planets with intelligent life is infinite. But the amount of available energy on each planet is not infinite. And the distance needed to cover between the planet and any destination is not infinite either, but it is extremely large and the amount of energy required is clearly in excess of that which can be used by any civilization on any planet to travel to another planet. Whether it is us leaving this rock or some space bug on a planet orbiting alpha centauri.

Alpha Centauri is the closest star system to the Solar System, being 4.37 light-years from the Sun. And that’s the closest one.

DRUD
DRUD

“nothing warps space.” Uh, yes. gravity does. This is the fundamental precept of General Relativity, but apparently you stopped thinking after hearing about one tenet of Special Relativity. This is the reason the orbit of Mercury does not alight perfectly with Keppler’s 3rd law. Also, like I mention GPS satellite have to make a correction (~4ns) for time expansion due to their being under slightly less of a gravitational field.

Do you know the equation for the conversion of mass to energy? Most everyone does, but do not know that they know.

It makes zero fucking difference if the universe in infinite or not. Show me a mathematical proof that disallows anything unique in an infinite set. Do you understand the difference between countable and uncountable infinity?

Your reason is specious, and your tone condescending. I know the closest star and its distance…I have given this topic a fair amount of thought. Do you know that it is not always closest? That is in fact a single member of a trinary system?

Sorry, dude, but your arguments do not hold water and you have proven nothing other than your being a condescending douche.

Hollywood Rob

Well that descended into flatulence quickly. Dude, take that dick out of your mouth and try reading a little. Your having given anything a fair amount of thought does not mean that you are qualified to opine on the topic. Not that you will reframe from expressing an opinion. You really must remember, opinions are like assholes. We all have one and everyone else’s stinks.

Oh, and no, gravity does not warp space. If you believe Einstein (and he even said that his equations were mathematical estimates) you will find that his equations approximate the effects of mass on “space/time”. That’s not space and it is not even real. It is simply a mathematical construct which he himself described as working in our local region of space.

As to infinite sets, that bit of mathematical legerdemain is not useful in this discussion. We are not discussing sets, we are discussing the distances that need to be traveled and the speed at which we can cover those distances. The reason that infinite verses finite universe is important has to do with how many planets are likely to have life on them or can support life if none is present. If the universe is infinite then there are an infinite number of stars and an infinite number of life supporting planets. If there are an infinite number of planets then anything that is physically possible will present itself somewhere in that infinite universe an infinite number of times. That means that there is an infinite number of you and an infinite number of me and an infinite number of Stuckys along with an infinite number of space bugs from alpha centauri. Well we don’t actually know about the space bugs yet do we so they may not be possible and if they are not possible for some reason, they can not be on an infinite number of planets.

I apologize for confusing you and I apologize for the condescending tone. I will try harder to be more specific in the future so as not to confuse you as it was clearly my fault that you conflated the implications of an infinite universe with countable and uncountable infinite sets.

DRUD
DRUD

You never confused me you just made unsubstantiated claims and continue to do so. Explain to me how infinite means that nothing can be unique. Including sticky, space bugs and life. Also explain how you are certain the universe is infinite when no astrophysicist is.

DRUD
DRUD

Oh…it finally sinks in..
You are speaking of the concept of the multiverse…the idea that everything that can happens does happen in an infinite series of parallel universes. A huge reach in my opinion…but even in this hugely hypothetical construct there could and would be unique entities.

Hollywood Rob

OK Drud, I see where you are confused. You really don’t understand what infinite means. You cling to the big bang theory which was developed by the Vatican. This means that you think that the universe is not infinite but in fact expanding and as such, there is not an infinite number of planets but rather a fixed, very large, number of planets. If you insist on cleaving to this proposition you will never understand that an infinite universe means that there are an infinite number of planets and that anything that is possible under the physical laws of the universe will present in an infinite number of occurrences. So basically, my point has been from the beginning that once you accept that the universe is infinite, you actually preclude your assumption of specialty. Nothing is special. If it can happen it does happen an infinite number of times. No matter what it is. And believe me, there are many astrophysicists who are willing to grant that the universe may well be infinite.

By the way, if the universe is infinite then the amount of matter in the universe is infinite, and the amount of energy in the universe is infinite, and this means that everything is not expanding until it cools to absolute zero and then nothing exists. It actually means that there is balance between the amount of energy and the amount of mass and nothing is expanding and there is no space-time. I personally find the infinite universe more comforting as it not only allows for a forever universe, but it precludes all that messy God delusion. But that is another discussion all together. While this is certainly fun to consider, it does not actually impact the main point which is that distances are too great for interstellar travel. Nobody is ever going to visit us from another world.

And no, I am not referring to that silly multiverse hypothesis.

Stucky

“You cling to the big bang theory which was developed by the Vatican.”

Huh! Never knew that. But, if the theory is true, or even if only more likely than other alternatives, then what difference does it make how it originated?

———

“So basically, my point has been from the beginning that once you accept that the universe is infinite,”

Just accept it? Because you said so? Let’s just start with YOUR assumptions, and all will be understood, right?

I have no dog in this fight. But, you really haven’t made a case for an infinite universe.

Stucky

“That means that there is an infinite number of you and an infinite number of me and an infinite number of Stuckys” —- Rob

Ha! You know what that sounds like?

Heaven!!!

Stucky

Musings about infinity … response totally optional

If there really are an infinite number of planets, wouldn’t the universe be a solid mass of planets? Really, where do you stick infinite planets?

One might respond that space is infinite. But space is nothing. How can nothing be infinite?

WHEN did the universe become infinite?

Did it gradually become infinite as stars were added? That seems silly.

So, we have to go back to the beginning, the Vatican inspired Big Bang. Did infinity begin at the point in time when the universe came into existence? But time and infinity don’t seem to go together. Also, by what mechanism does the finite become infinite?

These things keep me awake at night.

hardscrabble farmer

If it’s finite, it must have a border or outline- the furthest point.

What’s outside of that?

Gator
Gator

HSF. I’ve always wondered that too. If space is just vast emptiness that is always expanding, what is it expanding to?

DRUD
DRUD

Posit this: it is both infinite and finite depending on your pic. A fourth dimensional sphere model. If you travel in a straight line on the surface of the earth you return to your starting point. What if the universe is like that…travel long enough you return to the origin no matter what path you take. So for an inside observer it is infinite for an outside observer it is not. This is how a black hole works to the best of our knowledge. There is an idea that our universe is just a huge black hole.
It Turtles all the way around.

i forget
i forget

& the poet-optimist said, “We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time.” ~ T. S. Eliot

javelin
javelin

An intriguing short story I read years ago– Isaac Asimov’s Nebula Award Winning short story “The Last Question”.

Worth 15 mins to dig into…………

http://multivax.com/last_question.html

Hollywood Rob

Hey folks, since you seem to like this kind of stuff try out this series from Nottingham University. These are real physicists, cosmologists, and the such discussing these kinds of things in words that we can almost understand. This one mentions Lemaitre but there are better explanations about how he was instrumental in turning Hubble’s observations into the big bang theory.

StanFL

Your arguments about infinities leaves something to be desired. To analogize your contentions, since the set of all numbers is infinite, there must be another number one somewhere. Maybe it’s beyond 50?

IndenturedServant

“Just keep in mind that the nearest star, and that’s not one that has habitable planets going around it, still has not received our first ever radio transmissions. Those are traveling at the speed of light.”

Uhh……….What. The. Fuck? Radio waves, as you point out, are moving at the speed of light. The nearest star is just over 4 light years away and we first began transmitting radio waves in about 1896. So, not only have our transmissions reached the nearest star, they have reached EVERY star within 120+ light years of Earth. A quick search indicates at least 512 stars are withing this range.

Hollywood Rob

Excellent point IS. If this quick search is correct then there are at least 512 stars that could have received our radio signals. This is 512 stars out of the roughly 100 billion stars that are in the milky way. And that (being our galaxy) is just one of hundreds of billions of other galaxies all containing hundreds of billions of stars. So the question still remains. If one of the 512 stars that could receive our radio waves traveling at the speed of light were to decide to travel to our planet to say hello, how long would it take to get here. And remember, that assumes that the inhabitants on that planet are not protozoa, fish, lizards, or apes and have gotten to the point where they know how to listen to radio waves. I realize that technically, it should be possible for a species of lizards or apes to listen to radio waves, perhaps even fish could develop the radio. Who am I to judge.

My point is that not being able to travel at anything close to the speed of light means that nobody is ever going to go blasting off through space to boldly go where no man has gone before. At least not until Drud invents dilithium crystals and a warp drive. Oh wait, that was already done.

But we can all hope that someday we can warp off into space to find intelligent life – which most surely will not think that we are all that intelligent as we elected a reality tv star, a gay african, a retard, a lech, and an actor with a monkey as our supreme leader. I vote that Drud be the test pilot for the warp drive. I still won’t ride in a Tesla on autopilot yet.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Isn’t our sun the nearest star? The star cluster Alpha Centauri is 4.37 light years from the sun. Any signal that made it that far would reach A.C. in less than 5 years.

Ghost

Where else might it reach if the earth is flat. Or disclike?

Stucky

“There are plenty of planets in the universe that have life on them. In fact, an infinite number of them even though most of the planets in the universe don’t have life on them. ”
—— Rob

How in the hell can an INFINITE number of planets have life on them …. while at the same time most planets don’t have life? That’s puzzling

Someone doesn’t understand infinity. In fact, I believe no human can fully appreciate it. But, we can pretend.

When my son was about 5, I tried to explain that Uncle Hans lived in Austria which was a country very very far away. He said (really) — “You mean like Aunt Jeannie?”. Well, Aunt Jeannie lived about 50 miles from us. That was the absolute limit of his understanding of “far far away” …. 50 miles. Three thousand miles was incomprehensible.

I suspect infinity is exactly like that. We only think we know what it means.

Hollywood Rob

Stucky, you are thinking that infinity is a number. It is not. Infinity is a concept, one in which a thing goes on without end. Since we can never find the end of an infinite number of things, we can never actually verify that anything is infinite. But if something is infinite that means that there are things without end as a part of that thing. So anything that can be physically possible within that infinite thing will occur an infinite number of times. This is disturbing because we don’t have any experience of infinity so we try to apply our everyday knowledge of counting on fingers and toes. That works for apples, and it works for goats (one of your favorites as I recall) but once we get into things that really might be infinite, how do we count things within the infinity? Well, we can’t. So mathematicians (people who use infinity in equations all day long) came up with the concept of countable infinities and uncountable infinities as described above by Drud. But these are not physical infinities. These are mathematical infinities where infinity is treated in an equation as if it were a number. This works for mathematicians but it is an impossibility for physicists. Mathematicians are happy with black holes. Physicists are aghast with the inconsistency. And Drud’s cosmologists are stuck in that foggy area between the two.

So why is this important? Well to me, and I admit to not having the horsepower to really understand this, it is the question of how many stars there are with planets that can support life that is at play here. Next is whether it is possible, given the amount of energy contained within a planet that supports life, to journey to another star system. And finally, is it worth it for a civilization that does finally come to the point in their development where they can travel through space to actually spend their resources to do so. My contention, perhaps not so eloquently stated, is that regardless of the number of planets with intelligent life, the distances are too great for any of them to cover with the resources available to them. We have not been visited by aliens. Well, not the ones from space anyway. Here in LA we are visited by aliens every week.

And finally, as to how infinity works as a concept in this regard. As I said, infinity is not a number. There can be an infinity of numbers. For instance, if you start counting 1,2,3… you can never reach the end because every time you claim to have reached the end you can add another 1 to the pile of numbers and you have a new number. That is Druds mathematical sets idea. But if space is infinite, meaning that it is not expanding from a big bang but is actually just hanging out with an infinite amount of stuff in it, then anything that is possible will eventually happen and it will happen an infinite number of times over that infinite amount of space on those infinite number of planets. The place where we all hiccup is where we treat infinite as if it were just another number at the end of a line of numbers. But it isn’t a number. It is a concept, more like a road sign. Rather than saying stop or merge the sign infinity says keep going … forever.

But then this is all just us fleas arguing over the existence of a greater dog isn’t it.

Stucky

” … anything that is possible will eventually happen and it will happen an infinite number of times …”

First, THANK YOU for the response.

Second, I just can’t wrap my head around the above quote. That says more about me, than you.

I do agree with you that we’ve never been visited by aliens. I also agree with the other poster who (basically) wrote, why the fuck would they want to? Any entity that actually mastered traveling the vast stretches of space would have nothing to say to us … like a human trying to reason with an amoeba.

Thanks again to you and Drud …. both of your exchanges have been enjoyable to read, and to learn from.

Hollywood Rob

Yeah I agree. Thanks Drud. And thanks to IS too. We may not know much but we know more if we talk about things that interest us. And this clearly must as we have all banged on about it for some time now.

Maggie
Maggie

One time, my kid was trying to grasp the concept of never ending and got it all mixed up with infinity. He said something so profound I suspected him to be right.

He said “Maybe if you add the Omega to Zero, you will end up with Infinity or back at the Alpha.”

He was 6.

DRUD
DRUD

This is a terrific comment and I disagree with none of it. What set me off was your tone of certainty. We do not know the nature of the universe. We do know that interstellar travel is way too far a bridge for our species with our technology. What is out there is all a matter of possibilities. Other species could have warp technologgies….could have lifespans of billions of our years…could travel interdimensionally…ot we could be the only sentient species in all of existence. Our ignorance is definiterly ignorant.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Bingo, Drud!

Rob is so human-centric his hubris is stunningly limitless. Small minded, indeed.

Space Junkie
Space Junkie

Rob,

Saying this is one thing:

“But if something is infinite that means that there are things without end as a part of that thing. ”

Time, space, and matter as “things” doesn’t necessarily lead to your following GIANT LEAP OF SPECULATION on your part, does it?

“So anything that can be physically possible within that infinite thing will occur an infinite number of times.”

The former (time, space, matter) implies existence. The latter (anything physically possible above time, space, and matter) would require some sort of creative impetus and direction, would it not (at least in part)? What say you?

Hollywood Rob

Sorry space, I needed to think about your question a bit. I think that you are trying to imply that something being possible requires creative intervention. If something is possible it can happen if something else causes it to happen. I disagree. If something is possible it will happen – more or less automatically. If there is hydrogen atoms in proximity to oxygen atoms and the temperature is in the right range they will bond together to form H2O. If there is a lot of dust floating along in space it will coalesce into a solid mass under the influence of the gravity of each individual particle. No creative intervention is required. If a cloud of helium is floating in that same space and enough of it is attracted into a dense enough ball the gravity will cause the Helium to fuse into Hydrogen and a star will be born. No creative intervention is required. If other balls of space dust group together into planets. If one of those planets is in the Goldie Locks zone. If life begins on that planet in the fluid water.

All of these if’s are possible. We know that because we see it on our planet. Now you could argue that divine intervention caused these things to happen and how could I prove you wrong. But my contention is that if divine intervention did start life on earth then divine intervention is in fact possible in this universe and that would lead us to the conclusion that in an infinite universe, there are an infinite number of planets where divine intervention caused life to bloom leading eventually to this discussion thread on an infinite number of internets. Or for that matter in an infinite number of bars which could possibly lead to far more enlightened discourse. But that point, as some have stated above, rests on the issue of an infinite universe versus a finite universe and let’s face it, we can’t prove either way on that one can we.

But of course, you could claim that divine intervention only happened on our planet. And that divine intervention was granted to us and to no other planet. I could never prove you wrong, but conversely, you could never prove yourself right either. I guess that I come down on this. I don’t see the need for any creative impetus for any of this to happen. If you do, fine. But the crux of the article seems to be that earth has been visited by intelligent life from other planets and I don’t think that physics (meaning distance and available energy) allows for that to happen.

But then, what Rob know.

Space Junkie
Space Junkie

But if everything is infinitely happening all at once, both positive and negative, it seems everything would negate itself. Plus, I would think motion of any sort would require an original prime mover to have started the very first dominoes rolling in any direction. But maybe all that is linear thinking on my part.

I am not trying to bust your balls. This stuff is just fun to consider. I will keep thinking about your comments above.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus

The evidence is otherwise…There are an enormous number of people who have seen spacecraft(I know 2 highly respectable men who have seen them in remote areas, but never talked publicly about it), or orbs (I have a neighbor who has photos of several orbs that have appeared in her house), or energy creatures (myself). There are also numerous whistleblowers, including the former Canadian Defense Minister, from the military and space programs who have come forward about the existence of aliens and our exploitation of their technology….

Westcoaster
Westcoaster

The Linda Cortile case proves the “Alien abduction theory” because it happened in Manhattan in 1989 and was witnessed by multiple people unrelated to one another, including some high level folks from the U.N.
Saying aliens aren’t already here from many locales is an uninformed opinion, because the facts prove otherwise. Do a search for Budd Hopkins and read his or Dr. Jacobs books.

Anonymous
Anonymous

What’s ridiculous is shallow thinkers like you who are convinced your denunciations are so sound.
Let’s take a moment for some deeper thought. Look at human progress over just the past 200 years. An early 1800’s man transported to our current time would be dumbfounded at our advancement/technology and view it almost as magic or impossible.
Think of what an alien civilization ONE MILLION years more advanced than our young human race might have already discovered and built. Quantum vehicles? Move through space without moving time? Bending space? Inertia fields that displace g- forces, metallurgy and elements that don’t exist on earth? The possibilities are literally endless in that amount of extra time and research. They may have even transcended physical “laws” and become something other than what we know of as life.
Don’t be assured by your limited knowledge and imagination..it makes you look like a simpleton.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Of course, it could be that everything is a simulation. Possibly not only do aliens not exist, neither do you.

javelin
javelin

I think of our material universe as being confined by a giant, invisible lattice of time/space. On the other side of this lattice is a spiritual realm and the Creator who is not constricted by any limits -for time does not exist and space unlimited. I often will use the term “the veil” when I reference this interwoven constraint of time/space and physicality we humans are bound by. The tricky part is to not think of the veil as a giant bubble but that it is of dimensional level so that the physical is inside the spiritual realm but the spiritual is throughout everything.

It seems nearly impossible considering distances in our galaxy and universe that ET’s are visitors from other planets. Short of wormhole or hyperdrive type technology, it is not plausible that mortal beings could travel 50 million light years across the galaxy to spy on us and then leave. Unless they have secret civilization under the icy moon of Ganymede or something, traveling 50 million years at the speed of light and then not doing anything seems like a waste of time.

To me the most plausible explanation is that these beings are extra-dimensional or coming from the other side of the veil. I believe that they are from the spiritual realm– those cast away from the presence of the Creator. Throughout history and all religions they are reported to appear as angels of light or beautiful. Moroni of the Mormons, the angel ( demon) who appeared to Muhammad and made him try and repeatedly commit suicide, even Lucifer was “the Morning Star”– so I think it quite possible that at the appointed time, as the Creator allows in His effort to separate the wheat from the chaff, a great delusion will come.
If a being of apparent enlightenment, “supernatural abilities” and intelligence and physical beauty and stature suddenly appeared as a giant footprint to the flatlanders of earth–the vast majority would embrace this being. The world is ready for it.

Stucky

” … for time does not exist ”

Nice thought, believed my many … in many religions.

Unprovable, of course. And, upon closer inspection, doesn’t make a lot of sense.

For example, music and time are intricately dependent. Without time, there is no music. Yet, in the Bible, there is much singing and playing of instruments in heaven.

Come to think about it, how could one even speak … without the passage of time?

TPC
TPC

4th dimensional music would also take advantage to layer sounds at different points so that they would be perceived harmoniously. If anything it would make it possible to create some truly breathtaking works.

I think a painting works better though. You have “over there” and “over here” locations that are physically separated by space. This prevents your happy trees from being inside of the lake, and your lake from being in the sky. Now instead of a painting or still photo, imagine a camera on time delay photographing the same location over and over for 5 years. While reviewing the footage you can skip back and forth through time, looking not only at the “over here” and “over there” changes, but also the changes due to cause and effect, “before” and “after”.

Beings that can perceive and manipulate time the same way we perceive and manipulate the 3rd dimension would be able to “skip” back and forth viewing time as they so desired.

EDIT: I guess 4th dimensional music would be similar to how an MC rips music together, with the added bonus that the audience can flip back and forth from “before” and “after” to get the full effect.

Gayle
Gayle

Stucky

We are trapped in a dimension where time is the fourth element. Physicists have identified and attempted to describe at least nine other dimensions. Time may manifest differently or not at all in them.

I believe the spiritual world is simply another dimension, or many. I think we are uncomfortable with time (there’s never enough and we’re stressed, or there’s too much and we’re bored; we’re too late or too early, etc.) because we were created to live an eternal, infinite existence. When we are released from the bonds of this plane, we will do so.

messianicdruid

Time is the fence around your pasture.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
hardscrabble farmer

100%

Occam’s razor says the most likely scenario is the most likely scenario and that’s “it’s from Earth, stupid.”

Dimensional/wave length/undersea/inner Earth who knows, but far, far more likely than aliens from another planet.

outback jack
outback jack

Ever see the original documentary about operation highjump, or read what admiral byrd wrote? To see him, and then read what he wrote, i dont know, very sober serviceman. Admirals dont generally have mental health issues. How did he write that tale if it werent true? Mayhap the aliens have always been here because they are from here. Inside the earth, another dimension, maybe both. Travelling here from light years away seems less probable. I am struck though by the fact that it doesnt matter what i believe, because those who wrote the emails certainly believe what they are saying, and they certainly have more information channels than i ever will.

Stucky

Yeah, well, there could could be a theoretical dimension where I wouldn’t have a dick. Sounds interesting to study, but I’d never want to go there.

All this multi/other dimension stuff is truly interesting and fascinating! Mind benders. Thought experiments. Endless ‘what if’ scenarios. I love reading about it, watching movies about it, etc.

But, at the end of the day, whaddya got? Bupkis. Folks use other dimensions as a fine catch-all to solve all kinds of thorny issues. Like, eternity … we’ll just speculate that time does not exist in another dimension. A magic place, where anything is possible, even better than Alice In Wonderland.

Not picking on you specifically … But Christians especially love the Other Dimensions theory. It’s a neat place to tuck God. Maybe God is a vibrating string in the 99th dimension? A nice place for Lucky Humans too … who get a new “spiritual body” in this other dimension where anything goes. A place of flesh and bone, but not blood. A spiritual body, that apparently is ethereal, but real food is still eaten … unless the fruit along the River Of Life is also “spiritual” fruit. Magic, so much magic.

TPC
TPC

@Stuck – I look at it like its pieces to a physics puzzle. Back in the day we used things like “phlogiston” to explain why things burned, etc. Then, over the course of a couple-hundred years, we made several discoveries until we have chemistry, a very well defined and studied science.

Quantum physics, other dimensions, “wormholes” and the like are trying to answer several of the questions we currently have about the observed universe that lie outside “standard” science.

It might be wrong. It might be a thousand stupid “what if” scenarios with no practical application…today. But eventually someone will be right, and be repeatable. Then we’ll have a new branch of science and a new wave of unanswered questions.

I just wish I was smart enough to even understand some of this stuff. I end up having to read for hours just to grasp the “Cliff’s Notes” of some of these physics theories.

Gayle
Gayle

Not magic. Mystery.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Jesus therefore said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, It was not Moses that gave you the bread out of heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread out of heaven.

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is real food, and My blood is real drink.…

O taste and see that the LORD is good; How blessed is the man who takes refuge in Him!

angel
angel

Nope no instruments in heaven…

Heavenly voices as a choir yes but even mankind can make instrumentsal voice sounds…

No physical instruments in heaven for it is the spiritual realm of God and yes Jesus Christ and the cross have power and keep evil spirits at bay….

The great deception is coming…

When no more mankind will ever stand up for God that is when I shall stand and tell Santan to go fuck off…

Gods à coming to destroy you into a oblivion of nothingness…

Can’t wait…

Stucky

What’s wrong with Santana?

DRUD
DRUD

I keep meaning to write some original posts about some thoughts I’ve had…even started the framework of some…but then they come up in the comments and I steal my own thunder.

Time is the biggie. Time drive everything in our existence. In Newtonian Mechanics time works perfectly–only when you get really big or really small, does the very nature of time change. Not only is music dependent on time moving…so is the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which states that energy moves from higher order to lower order (entropy) as Time moves forward. But think about it another way…from Aerosmith’s POV:

I know, nobody knows,
where it comes, where it goes

The passage of time and our perception thereof (ie a watched pot, time stands still, etc.) is great philosophical fodder, but I find the question even more interesting from a physics POV. What drives time forward? What started it’s passage? Furthermore, we KNOW that it is not the same everywhere. Special Relativity allows for de-simultaneity of events based upon each observers’ frame of reference and General Relativity allows for time to move faster or slower based upon gravitational fields. This is NOT up for debate–the GPS systems in your phone would not work if both Special and General Relativity was not accounted for.

There is a newish theory making the rounds called Quantum Relativity. We tend to intuitively think of space and time and energy and matter as separate things. Relativity says that space and time are linked (spacetime) and matter and energy (made up of quantum interactions) are painted upon this canvas. Quantum Relativity turns it all around…what if these quantum interactions not only make up matter and energy, but space and time as well…the paint and canvas are at a fundamental level the same thing?

AnarchoPagan
AnarchoPagan

Drud,

I generally enjoy your comments, here is a thought for you: the fact that your GPS works does not prove Special or General Relativity correct. Theories are underdetermined by facts. Sundials gave the correct time even when the theories said circular orbits and epicycles.

DRUD
DRUD

The Bernoulli equations are just math…just marks on a chalkboard…that airplanes fly demonstrates that they express/define a part of reality. Yet no one would say they define all properties of compressible fluids (ie air). In the same way General Relativity is just math…but the fact that it is a necessary component of making gps work says it expresses/defines a part of reality. I would not say that it fully defines the nature of gravity nor certainly not of the universe.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

Time is a measure of change. Only an unchanging being could exist outside of time (for all time).

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

That’s a good one, Iska. What kind of reefer you got?

Maggie
Maggie

Medical quality is best. Especially if you are distilling oils.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Time isn’t a when, it’s a where.

Understand that and many mysterious things become less mysterious.

Hammer's Thor

One minor nit to pick with the 50 million light-year comment. Our galaxy has somewhere between 200 & 400 billion stars, and trillions, possibly quadrillions of planets. Additionally, it is “only” about 100,000 light years across. Even the Andromeda galaxy is “only” 2 million light years away…

So, obviously a casual visit is not likely by anyone, but there are most definitely civilizations in our own galaxy that have advanced further than we have technologically, and have mastered “faster-than-light speed” aka warp speed for Trekkies. Despite what most scientists believe, many no longer believe that the speed of light is a universal limit.

Just a thought.

Anonymous
Anonymous

There have been laboratory experiments that have slowed down the speed of light in a medium to less than the speed of a bicycle outside of that medium.

Here’s one of them, there are others as well: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/1999/02/physicists-slow-speed-of-light/

The only thing that is constant is that everything is relative.

GilbertS
GilbertS

And we all hate our relatives…

Thx for the cool info. I thought the slower-than-light experiments were pretty cool.

outback jack
outback jack

2.4 times faster than light in the electron drilling experiments, which is like electron croquet.

Gator
Gator

I thought I remembered reading something about that with CERN. Basically, they fired a particle so fast that, if enstiens theory were correct, it arrived before it was fired, which would be impossible.

javelin
javelin

A really thought provoking piece I read theorized that time is actually slowing as per light speed etc.
The oldest recorded speed of time go back to the 1870’s if I remember correctly ( and of course accuracy becomes a question with older instrumentation). If one took the measurements for every 25 years of measurements, plugged the numbers into a function of an equation and extrapolated x/y values…then these numbers could be plotted on a graph as a logarithm.

Besides projecting forward, what became fascinating were the backward projections as the deceleration has increased. To put it simply, as spacetime are interwoven, it appears that as the expansion of space has slowed as its mass is stretched, likewise time has slowed as well.

It seems that when projected as an logarithm, we have REALLY slowed in the past 2 to 3 thousand years. The rest was purely conjecture and I’m not sure I buy into it but the author/scientist tried to reason that it might explain lifespans recorded in the hundreds of years and evidence of massive geological changes within a “young” earth.

Interesting to ponder

Hollywood Rob

Yes mous, it is true that scientists have slowed down the speed of light in a Bose-Einstein cloud, but that does not mean that the speed of light is relative. The speed of light in the Einstein equations is the speed in free space. That speed is fixed as free space is fixed but when light is traveling in any other medium the speed will be less. It is a little less in air, much less in water and glass for instance, but it is never greater. If you take a look at the Feynman lectures you will see him try to explain the nature of light using mathematics. It gets very convoluted but in the end it works and led to what he called QED (Quantum Electro Dynamics). As he points out, don’t try to understand it…nobody does…just shut up and run the equations to get the right answer. I personally am quite impressed that he could figure this out but have a nagging fear that it is precisely what happened 500 years ago when every scientist in the world was real sure that the earth was the center of the universe. They had really great equations for the motion of the planets and the stars and told their students to shut up and run the calculations to get the right answer. Of course, it got the right answer but for the wrong reason.

Stucky

QUADRILLIONS planets, just in our galaxy??

Holy shit.

There are DEFINITELY civilizations in our galaxy with warp drive??

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

Hopefully, you were drunk when writing that.

StanFL

The galaxy isn’t 50 million light years across, just a hundred thousand or so.

credit
credit

Excellent!

RiNS

So Uncola needs to bridge the gap between Science Fiction and Ufology by using the Bible.

Yep when there is shit piled on the abutments at each end it is always best get a bull to pull it to the middle….

And Man neva went to tha moon!
There I said it!
Jebus Chrispins what a relief!
Larwd please pass the ammo I have been saved!

Stucky

I haven’t read the article yet. But, I’m pretty sure Uncola is a Christian believer. Things I appreciate about him;

— He’s definitely not IN YOUR FACE about it

— he doesn’t interject bible verses all over the place just for the hell of it

— I’ve never seen him condemn non believers to hellfire

— he’s open to interpretation of Scripture that don’t match his own

— he lives it more than preaching it

— lastly, he puts up with my sacrilegious bullshit

IOW, he’s the opposite of AWB.

One of the good guys …

RiNS

I know Stucky. I like him too. He is one of the good guys for the same reasons. Hope he can like me as well. Still using a Bible to Bridge the gap seems a bit of a stretch. That said I did enjoy reading it. He even managed to incorporate Nephilim into the essay. All I can say is it takes great skill to tie all these pieces together and still make a point.

Quite impressive really from where I sit as the ill informed bystander..

Ben Dare
Ben Dare

Besides the Bible what could be another construct between what we believe and what we see? Examples?

Maggie
Maggie

And, having been reeled in by none other than Maggie herself to a welcoming committee on Andy Griffith world with El Coyote bickering and coming to realize Maggie might play the fool but she really weren’t one.

You are welcome. Of course, I reel in a few turds too. Ix Nay on Aying Say Ames Nay.

Maggie
Maggie

Uck Fay Ewe Yay Humbs Tay (or is it Umbs Thay?) Owner Day.

Stubb
Stubb

He said don’t kill the messenger. Like Fox News, Uncola reports. You decide.

RiNS

I am not killing the messenger. I just don’t think anything in the Bible makes for a compelling argument. That’s all. It is great reading for parables and after reading article again I can see why he reached for that. I suppose everything boils down to a question or suspension of belief. Last week while on a self imposed timeout I read thru the thread about the battle between good and evil. I wanted to interject but thought better. I am not feeling very philosophical these days. It might be an outgrowth of the burnout. Who knows.

A yet here it is again….

The black and white simplicity of good aliens and bad aliens.

I think it is all framed wrong. Reality isn’t a dichotomy. It lacks the event horizon everyone seems so eager to find. Rather, at least from where I sit it is a plurality where often if not most of the time….

Evil fights Evil
and
Good fights Good

But I did read it again. Maybe I am dead wrong but that is what I gleaned from reading this. Gotta say Uncola a great tome because with most things that are well written I have modified somewhat my conclusions.

That’s what I believe today at 11;24 AST

ed. 11;53 AST

lol 11;54 AST

i forget
i forget

“Reality isn’t a dichotomy”

Few people can escape the event horizon of their own dichotomous brains & say those “black magic” words.

Dichotomies are false…sense of comfy security. They are a lot like flatlanderism.

Reality is a spherical blade, not a 2-horned dilemma toad. More like a sprocket. But one with infinite teeth. And sssssspherical.

If occam’s razor’s all you have, well, you bring that to the spherical blade fight. And you never fail to fail.

Southern cross’ two edges vs continuous omni•edge. No contest. Belief is how that overmatch is “dealt with.” Simple Syrup Simon sez the boogie jews did it. etc. Drink up.

It’s self-medication. & belief addicts disparage unbelievers, call them addicts to the least of the lesser gods, evil spirits.

Cola worship\warships squabble for shelfspace, but close ranks – the thin caramel coloring line – against uncolas who merely exercise a priori inalienable rights to defend against all that projectiles force projection, not be force-imbibed the jimjones sodapopgoestheweasels.

But baby needs new shoes, & momma wants a weasel coat (she dunno mink from chinchilla from beaver from muskrat from weasel…the empress, too, has no clothes…& the emperor approves).

So the pharmacies all got drivethrus, open 24\7. Solid walls of sonic death monkey sound, all green. Not Al Green (let alone Marvin Gaye). Walgreens.

(LC, not everything JC has done has been the low fidelity you suggested. This one was kinda mid-range.)

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe

I can see why you’re called I Forget cause of all that shit crammed in your cranium. You got an almost musical flow. I dig it, even though I don’t get what your tryin to say. Fuck it, let it rip, I’ll catch on eventually… love that you brought up Ouroborous one time, that’s all this is , the snake eating its own tail…round and round we go. “Five to 1 baby, 1 in 5, no one here gets out alive”

i forget
i forget

Riffing & jamming, Mr. Roe. I’m not sure it’s in there. May just be passing thru, tickling the gears. Thought it was Henry Miller, can’t find the quote, but to paraphrase, he’d sit down at his typewriter, say aloud, “I’m listening” – & transcribe.

RiNS

forget..I’m liking the jib of your jive. A sprocket eh! That my friend is to me a very interesting concept.

i forget
i forget

Drive – jive? – ratios, RiNS. “Free” horsepower.

https://www.sportrider.com/free-horsepower-taking#page-7

Uncola

@ Stuck & Rob – what Stubb said.

My own beliefs, let alone the beliefs of others, are beyond my control. It is what it is; therefore, I discern, but don’t judge. Honesty is the best policy and magicians never reveal their tricks. I love you both to the Moon and back.

Maggie
Maggie

Oh dear God, EC… the tadpole is gay.

Anonymous
Anonymous

If the tadpole is a Christian like Stucky says, than he couldn’t be. Because Romans 1 ties the belief in evolution to that particular persuasion.

Maggie
Maggie

Whew! Thank Goodness for that peace of mind.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

I had the privilege of reading about a certain white leather couch, the locus of many a sexual tryst between the subject, a male, and the object, a female. Male reproductive seed was spilled not onto the moist besieged enclave, the focus of the amorous attention, but onto the much abused leather. I had to scrub my eyes several times after reading that lurid passage.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

Fuck yo couch, nigga! I’m Rick James!

Maggie
Maggie

That’s just nasty. I suppose he wiped it onto the decorative pillows, too. Bastard.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

That’s how we roll. Curtains work well also.

Robert
Robert

I have photos of an orb that was hovering over my back deck. Just like the one in your photo. I have several photos of mine and it rapidly left when I asked Jesus to deal with it.

I have photo proof of it and even of it leaving the moment I asked Jesus to help.

What was it? I don’t know, but I got the feeling that it couldn’t be successfully shot.

Stucky

“I were to provide you with a factual summary involving outer space aliens, WikiLeaks, an Apollo 14 astronaut who was the sixth man to walk on the Moon, ”

Just started reading … and off to a bad start.

We never landed on the moon.

BL
BL

I can see why the Breakfast Club is minus a former member.

Unglued has fallen for every MEC( Military Entertainment Complex) trick in the book……unless he works for “them”. Somewhere in a small office at the Pentagon is a tadpole with a keyboard.

EDIT: Correct, we never landed on Da Moon.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

How have so many comments been made and not a single mention of the most important question – whether the alien bitches are green?

Spock
Spock

If green, then logic dictates they would be horny.

Stucky

Fuck. shit.

I get the same number of thumbs down if I say we landed on the moon as when I say we didn’t.

What the fuck is wrong with you people? And why the fuck isn’t hardscrabble farmer congratulating me for rising to a higher plane? Fucken ingrate.

Maggie
Maggie

Because we suspect you don’t really mean it, you wretched raccoon murderer. You don’t accept the difference between killing for good purpose, i.e., meat and sport instead of for bad purpose, i.e., your selfish preference to be raccoonless at your home.

Unicorn
Unicorn

You know the end of the world is coming when a bunny killer accuses a raccoon assassin of murder.

Maggie
Maggie

Now that’s funny… Laugh out loud funny. Thanks.

BL
BL

Stucky- DRUD and the NASA Kids here will down you, do not leave the right thinking side of the fence over “acceptance”. We will never make everyone here happy.

Maggie
Maggie

I hadda stop there for this pullout, Ungrammatical. Diagram that fucking sentence and fix it.

What are you trying to say and why did you skip the real decade that started it all: the 70s? Didn’t you know there was practically an alien invasion of the central U.S. by pod people in the 70s?

“And so began the twentieth-century’s far-reaching foray into the prolific propagation of science fiction and its ensuing electronic media onslaught.

Edit… I can’t stand it. Began is the freaking verb? Began? What began? A Foray? The simplest sentence we can render from this is The Foray Began. That should indicate you need to get some of that passive voice out of your whimsical musings. A good poet knows when to slice toward the punch line.

What began as a trickle by mid-century became a flood in the latter 25 years leading up to the new millennium.”???

A trickle mid-century says 1950. The last 25 years says 1975 and beyond. You missed a HUGE quarter century there, little fishy in the brook. A HUGE one in the random event world that enabled the propagation of science fiction to BECOME an electronic onslaught. Some things make others systems more robust.

While the politicians of the Right Coast destroyed the structures of the Founding Fathers, the Narcissists of the Left Coast welcomed the depravity self-adoration guarantees so began the Foray of Science Fiction into the electronic propagation of politics and hollywood elitists embraced by the Clintons. Doesn’t it seem a bit TOO RANDOM, Clarice?

Uncola

What began as a trickle remained continuous and growing; it never abated. Even in the 60’s and 70’s.

In retrospect, I should have said “title wave”. Get it? ?

Maggie
Maggie

During the 80s, Bill and Hillary were in Arkansas. His dealings with the Space Crazies near Mena, Arkansas gave him insight into a LOT more things going on in our government other than the Iran/Contra tradeoffs.

How will you get to the point if you insist on wearing your punny lovin’ eyeglasses. Stop going for the puns and think about why you want to toss aside a wisecrack right there.

So, there must be something about the decades you mention that spark the amusement. Something about the late 60s and early 70s regarding Space Travel… what could it have been?

Gayle
Gayle

Thanks Doug. I will be pondering your article all day.

The orbs could be demonic.
Some of the zipping-around sky vehicles could be secret space planes developed by military technology.
As for our age, yes, we are being prepared for “disclosure” of something.

Have you read the book “Flatland”? It’s on my shelf but I haven’t read it yet.

Maggie
Maggie

I am brazenly declaring my casual mention of flatlanders a few months ago to a certain little tadpole EC and I caught in a pond close to Mayberry longagofaraway.

I KNEW THEN he was a keeper, EC. Admit it. Admit it. Admit it.

Uncola

In real life, however, the men should have been the simple line-segments, and women the polygons. Look how many times Trump has been married and he place four-dimensional chess. ?

Stucky

I read Flatland. Terrific book. Points well made, and understood.

Howeverrr …. technically, it it impossible for Flatland to exist. Even the ink on the paper has depth, even if it is one atom thick.

Stickman
Stickman

Impossible in YOUR dimension, that is.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

Can I buy some pot from you?

Maggie
Maggie

I will distill some into oil. And blend it with coconut oil for my husband’s sore muscles.

Maggie
Maggie

I have been toying with blending the cultural traits of the Bene Geserit from DuneWorld with the pragmatic traits of the needle minded ladies of Flatland.

I like your very simplified smiley dots and the Big Foot becomes calf becomes knee or thigh and blocks further view from that perspective. Which is, of course, the elephant in the room. Perspective.

And then, it is simple enough that even a dunderhead from New Jersey can grasp the concept. Or so I’ve heard.

Stucky

Dunderhead just voted you down.

Take that!!!

Maggie
Maggie

Uck Fay Ewe Yay Umbs Thay? Owner Day. (I’m practicing my Pig Latin.)

Pablo C.
Pablo C.

Well worth the read.
a great weaving of many threads, it allows you to open up your mind and think about how each thread is connected to the next.

well done, Uncola, well done.

Maggie
Maggie

Have you heard from Alejandro, dear Pablo? Has he been looking at the sea in Pensacola and thinking of an old red rope friend?

Maggie
Maggie

Thank You for reading it.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Flatland-A-Romance-of-Many-Dimensions-Illustrated/53169553

See Admin? I even linked from the page to encourage purchases through the site.
Jest doin my job, massa, and wipin my brow.

KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie

Impressive post. My George Malley ordeal did start with a ‘burst of energy’ from above, just like the movie. It knocked me to the ground and rendered me immobile. I told my parents and a doctor who checked me out said I was just fine.

I live in Gulf Breeze where many years ago there was much discussion in the press about UFO’s appearing. It was eventually debunked but brought out many curious tales by locals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Breeze_UFO_incident

When I was in 8th grade (1963?) my science teacher asked me to meet him after class and watch an 8mm film depicting a UFO. He said a friend of his had captured the event on film. He valued my opinion as he knew me to be a good student and that I had spent my whole life in close proximity to flying objects (airplanes).

I watched the short film showing a disc/saucer shaped object advancing over a nearby horizon. He asked me if I thought it was real. I said yes with the caveat that I did not know if there was any purposeful chicanery at play. I have only seen that clip once again as part of UFO stories.

So what do I believe? I’m not sure. I am open to possibilities and believe in many myths that bring me comfort and utility. I once asked my father about his deepest beliefs, sort of a metaphysical question to a man who was nothing but a pragmatist his whole life. He paused, and then with a sheepish-admission-look on his face, said the answer is in the stars. It was sort of an resolute belief that he did not have all the answers about life.

Uncola

@ Keyser – unlike some here, I enjoy your posts. Especially when ideas are emphasized over rhetorical bombast. But that’s just me. I can only imagine what it was like to sit in your dentist chair.

Maggie
Maggie

My vote was declared null and void because I rolled out the welcome mat for the dude thinking dudette and now I’m back and forth between flaming tranny and stoner from the 70s. Fire or ice. Either or.

Maggie
Maggie

Uck Fay Ewe Yay.

Hammer's Thor

Very interesting, and strangely timely article, Uncola… well done. I happened to be watching The Mars Underground movie on YouTube when I spotted your article.

Had one experience much earlier in life… dark sky, out on a boat, watching the stars. A bright point of light zoomed (that is the technical term) into view, stopped, then zoomed away at a right angle. Strange.

Years later I asked a friend just in conversation if he believed the Earth had ever been visited. He said he knew for a fact that we had. Surprised, I asked him how. His dad was military during and after WW2. He told his son (my friend) before he died that he was on the recovery team at the crash site in New Mexico, and saw the alien bodies, and one live alien. He told me this back in the late 80’s, and gave details that have since come to light in articles, other death-bed confessionals, etc.

I have never had a doubt that our universe is teeming with life. I have also never doubted that God created the big bang, the “genesis” of the event, if you will. I think life in the universe is the rule, not the exception. We’ll very likely know soon.

Not Sure

I penned this in a moment of insanity, having been inundated by a harmonic convergence of several news articles that happened a few months ago, that became the basis of my story. My words have nothing to do with the relevance of UnCola’s article, just a brief escape from the heaviness of the impending doom

The day the earth stood still
(a compilation of doomsday scenarios, compressed into one day)
August 12, 2017* began with the sound of small arms fire, across many major cities across America. The sleeper cells finally woke up to deliver their deadly message. But just as their message of death was being proclaimed, a wave of fear gripped their hearts as they looked up, not to Allah, but to the remnants of planet Nirubu, as large chunks of space rock fell upon their heads.
This really pissed off the Alien horde, who were at that very moment descending upon the UN, to deliver their message of “we come in peace”; to be translated by their human ambassador, the Pope. Unbeknown to the herd of humans, the true motive of the alien visit was to secure a new cocktail they have come to enjoy in their leisure hours that primarily consisted of grey matter, mixed in with a puree of pineapple and strawberry, delivered with a festive umbrella.
The aliens looked on sadly, as they began to see their bountiful harvest decimated by the solar CME as well as the global earthquakes that were all instigated by the sudden appearance of Nirubu. The result of this planetary calamity was the barbequing of earths inhabitants in radiation, as well as splitting the United States in half; ultimately wiping out 90% of the population.
Needless to say, the stocks took a tumble with all this bad news, but rebounded late in the afternoon when it was announced that the infrastructure bill presented by president Trump to repair the damage caused by the planet Nirubu, the solar CME, earthquakes and the alien invasion was approved. Oh, by the way, the president fired the Pope, and pressed the doomsday button, as our military couldn’t tell if the other nuclear powers were launching amid all the chaos. And finally, our sponsors recommend it is best to invest in precious metals, just in case it gets any worse.
*Date chosen randomly (as apparently, the Mayan calendar stopped years ago); don’t even try…

Uncola

Welcome to the Iowa Writer’s Workshop. All are welcome here. Good stuff.

Max1001
Max1001

I upvoted Mr. Not Sure’s comment because anyone who can compile that much crazy shit into one succinct and readable narrative has incredible talent, and people who possess talent of that great magnitude should be encouraged.

Maggie
Maggie

…not blaming UnCola’s article, just a brief escape from the heaviness of the impending doom…

WOW. Not five minutes ago I wrote of the burden of the heaviness of the holiday that is upon me… or something like that. Really struck a chord.

jimmieoakland
jimmieoakland

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreampt in your philosophy-ish.

Stucky

Immediate reactions from various religions when seeing an alien for the first time.

Christianity; — “Have you accepted Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior?”

Mooslims; — “Off with your head! Ummm … wtf, where’s your head?”

Joo Man; — “You need a loan?”

Joo Woman; — “Oy! What? They don’t feed you up there? Eat. Eat!!”

Hindu; — “Hey, one of our Gods is blue and has 12 arms just like you!”

Buddhist: — “Ohmmm, bada bada. Whatever. Ohmmm.”

Wicca: — “Sure, we’ll worship you as well.”

Athiest: — “You’re from another planet? My GOD!!!”

Mary Christine

That’s hilarious, Stucky! Btw, I answered your question you asked me after being distracted from giving me a good dressing down.

Stubb
Stubb

That WAS funny Stucky.

Stucky

“So what does it all mean? Are outer space aliens actually demons? Fallen angels?” —article

Actually, that possibility makes the MOST sense of them all. There are two reasons, which I will post separately, so that people can vote down twice.

Long time ago I read a great short story — damn, I wish I kept it — about any sentient being (us, or aliens) being able to even find life on other planets.

Let’s assume there are just two planets in the universe which have intelligent life. The gist of the story … with all kinds of math, and analogies … was that the no human can truly understand the vastness of the near infinite universe. Sure, if the other planet was Pluto, we’d discover it. But, if was a random planet somewhere in our own galaxy, the chances drop to near zero. And if it’s outside our galaxy, virtually zero … and absolute zero if it’s on the “other” side of the universe. The article made the point that the technology to find the planet in the first place would probably need to exceed the technology to get there.

Stucky

The other reason is theological, and is probably familiar to most believers. When I was a follower of the Rock that doesn’t move, that was my belief. I’ll be brief.

1. When Adam sinned the “WHOLE CREATION … groans and travails”.

2. The effect was universal. If it wasn’t universal, God would not need to make way for a “new HEAVENS and Earth”.

3. In order to redeem the whole of creation, God had to become a MAN … to die, atone for sins, and be resurrected.

4. Since an alien is part of the whole creation, and clearly God must take physical form to redeem a species, then God would have had to become that species and die for them also. But, Christ came to die but once, and for the people on “earth”.

5. The redeemed will eventually become united with God — the Bride of Christ. Multiple redemptions means multiple deaths/resurrections means multiple brides. Jesus is not a polygamist.

6. God is not interested in redeeming all sentient beings. If he redeemed aliens, he probably needs to apologize to fallen angels … for they are beyond redemption.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Stuck, I agree wholeheartedly with your comment. To deny its truth is to be confused. There are those who read too much into the following verse but your comment addresses it nicely:

“I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.”

messianicdruid

The Nation of Israel was divided in the days of Reheboam into Judah in the south and Israel [ ten tribes ] in the north. After this they have separate prophecies and paths. The northern tribes were taken into captivity in Assyria. Later the nation of Judah was sent into captivity in Babylon.

When Jesus said this the ten northern tribes had escaped from captivity and travelled north and west and were dispersed among the nations [ gentiles ]. They lost their identity as Israel. These are who the apostles were sent to preach the “good news” to.

messianicdruid

“Sin is the transgression of the Law.”

“Without the Law there is no sin.”

The old covenant was an agreement between Israel and God. They agreed to keep the Law and He agreed to be their God. God knew they would fail because “it is not within man that walkathon to direct his own steps”.

Your theory breaks down at 4. because they were not partner to the covenant. Only a Kinsman could redeem one who had transgressed the Law.

Uncola

Stuck – I looked it up: Traveling at the speed of light (186,000 per second), it would take 100,000 years to traverse the Milky Way. To travel to the next nearest galaxy, Andromeda, it would take 2,300,000 years at light speed.

Uncola

And if thought waves are faster than light waves then that explains why language is the light of the mind. It also explains how I’m looking forward to Thanksgiving and why so many people today live in the proverbial past.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

I’m not sure thought is entirely electrical and measurable in waves. I read somewhere that we experience the present a fraction of a second after the event so that we actually live in the past. Our minds compensate for this situation by anticipating, calculating the angle and trajectory of objects in motion. To say that thought is faster than light is to believe in magical realism where we can anticipate an event before it happens.

Maggie
Maggie

Hey all you intellectual types here at TBP? Any of you heard of a guy named L. Ron Hubbard and a little religious gimmick he called Scientology?

Well, he also wrote a pretty profound book called Battlefield Earth. You can NOT, and I repeat, can NOT watch that terrible adaptation by John Travolta into Terl the mid-management overseer of the Earth Mining Project, whose ambition to rule the world lay buried under a mound of meat covering his access to a technology that propelled beings across the galaxies and beyond the stars in the world Hubbard saw from his vantage point in the Imaginary World where Scientology is practiced by all participants. You need to read the book… available at Walmart

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/battlefield-earth-a-saga-of-the-year-3000_l-ron-hubbard/334930/?utm_term=1101002859750&mkwid=nNQcndKL%7cdc&pcrid=11558858482&utm_campaign=Bing+Shopping+%7c+Literature+&+Fiction&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=bing#isbn=0884041557&idiq=24585591&mkwid=nNQcndKL%7Cdc&pcrid=11558858482

That is some real Matrix speak there Coyote.

I’m cooking down some pumpkin for pumpkin rolls. Thought I’d give you a visual 0n my deer hunter garb.

Maggie
Maggie

I have come to appreciate the spandex legging. I will NOT be wearing them to Walmart without a nice heavy set of pants over them. It has become part of my deer hunting wardrobe. Now, is it because I am a different sort of doe or is it because I am just a different sort of “doe.”

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I am having to wait for a video upload but am going to try to surprise you in a bit. You too, tadpole and anyone else who follows our little subplot over here in JimQuinnsLand, which is what I suggest you carve out and name your little piece of the pie, Admin.

Mary Christine

What are you cooking there Maggie? Speaking of pie, I’m going to try my hand at wheat free, dairy free coconut custard pie today.

BL
BL

Maggie- You have the legs for Spandex pants. It’s the whales wobbling around in public stuffed into Spandex pants that cause me great abdominal pain.

Maggie
Maggie

I made pumpkin from two pumpkins my walking buddy gave to me. This is after baking the halves, removing the guts of the pumpkin Stucky you big baby about guts, cutting it off the shell, baking more with cinnamon in a dutch oven, then putting into mason jars for storage. I’ve got a pumpkin cheesecake in the refrigerator and just turned one tin of pumpkin breading into something I may eat tonight if I’m not careful. Sometimes my successes are my downfall.

Maggie
Maggie

What did you think of my introduction into the Moonlight Sonata, pal’o’mine?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Check out the thigh gap on Maggie. Is it photoshop, Magita?

Maggie
Maggie

What is a thigh gap? I haven’t photoshopped in years… not since modifying images for government training material.

I wikipedia’d it. Yeah… I got nice legs. Even for an old lady.

Anonymous
Anonymous
Mary Christine

A thigh gap, Maggie, is the space between your thighs that most women our age don’t have anymore, and a lot of younger women never had because they eat too much processed junk.

I’m trying to add some for my plastic surgeon to take for a fat transplant to my boobs. (Added for Stucky)

KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie

I do not know which to prefer,
The beauty of inflections
Or the beauty of innuendoes,
The blackbird whistling
Or just after. wallace stevens

Beware of la Catalina amigo

LA CATALINA: Sorceress

——

the Wanderling

In the series of Don Juan books by Carlos Castaneda ‘la Catalina’ is a sorceress, a witch, a bruja — said by none other than the likes of the powerful shaman sorcerer Don Juan Matus — through the written words of Castaneda — to be nothing less than a worthy opponent. She shows up mentioned only briefly for the first time in Castaneda’s very first book on a date given by him as Thursday, November 23, 1961. From that brief mention, as time moves through the series of books, by the end of the year 1962 Castaneda had met ‘la Catalina’ at least six times. One time as a marauding almost amorphous blackbird, one time as a sailing silhouette, and four times face to face as a beautiful but terrifying young woman. In each of those encounters Castaneda had varying degrees of physical and mental reactions ranging from his ears bursting to choking to his hands being frozen, his body chilled, and his arms and legs rigid as if paralyzed. The hair on his body stood on end and he lost his power of speech.

Jim Carrey
Jim Carrey

There it is. That fucking #23 again. And the author of this article saw a UFO at 11:46 pm. 1 + 1 is 2. 46 ÷ 2 = 23.

Anonymous
Anonymous

This is worth taking a few minutes to play with it.

The Scale of the Universe

trim
trim

the writings of John Keel come to mind. The writer of Mothman Prophecies. He corroborates the idea that these phenomena have been around since prehistory. he doesn’t believe the aliens and UFOs are what they seem to be but do conform to contemporary mythologies and superstitions of an age. Most people who have these experiences seem to have been preconditioned to them. The experiences people have tend to be associated with occult phenomena. Also UFO sightings and experiences of aliens always preclude tragedies and misfortune. I don’t think Keel was a Christian but believed that due to the universally reported deceptiveness of the ‘entities” and the misfortune they bring, that they are evil. I think he used that term.

Penforce

So John Keel has some ideas that corroborates phenomena from prehistory. That is the most wonderful definition of imagination I have read today. My definition is: cogent unreliable unstructured symbolic stimuli. Yours is much more fun. Said in Homospacian, funner.

Francis Marion

Your piece got me thinking about the Vegas shooting and the flashing light coming from the window that many argue was a second shooter.

I am reminded that in this day and age one should not trust one’s own eyes when they are staring at a screen and now I wonder if they can be trusted when staring into open space?

Interesting times indeed.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

FM, perhaps you are focusing on the misdirect as planned. You are still in reverse, or as it is known here – stuck on stupid.

messianicdruid

This is one of my favorites from the old Omni magazine:

THEY’RE MADE OUT OF MEAT

“They’re made out of meat.”

“Meat?”

“Meat. They’re made out of meat.”

“Meat?”

“There’s no doubt about it. We picked up several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, and probed them all the way through. They’re completely meat.”

“That’s impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars?”

“They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don’t come from them. The signals come from machines.”

“So who made the machines? That’s who we want to contact.”

“They made the machines. That’s what I’m trying to tell you. Meat made the machines.”

“That’s ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You’re asking me to believe in sentient meat.”

“I’m not asking you, I’m telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in that sector and they’re made out of meat.”

“Maybe they’re like the orfolei. You know, a carbon-based intelligence that goes through a meat stage.”

“Nope. They’re born meat and they die meat. We studied them for several of their life spans, which didn’t take long. Do you have any idea what’s the life span of meat?”

“Spare me. Okay, maybe they’re only part meat. You know, like the weddilei. A meat head with an electron plasma brain inside.”

“Nope. We thought of that, since they do have meat heads, like the weddilei. But I told you, we probed them. They’re meat all the way through.”

“No brain?”

“Oh, there’s a brain all right. It’s just that the brain is made out of meat! That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you.”

“So … what does the thinking?”

“You’re not understanding, are you? You’re refusing to deal with what I’m telling you. The brain does the thinking. The meat.”

“Thinking meat! You’re asking me to believe in thinking meat!”

“Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal! Are you beginning to get the picture or do I have to start all over?”

“Omigod. You’re serious then. They’re made out of meat.”

“Thank you. Finally. Yes. They are indeed made out of meat. And they’ve been trying to get in touch with us for almost a hundred of their years.”

“Omigod. So what does this meat have in mind?”

“First it wants to talk to us. Then I imagine it wants to explore the Universe, contact other sentiences, swap ideas and information. The usual.”

“We’re supposed to talk to meat.”

“That’s the idea. That’s the message they’re sending out by radio. ‘Hello. Anyone out there. Anybody home.’ That sort of thing.”

“They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?”
“Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat.”

“I thought you just told me they used radio.”

“They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat.”

“Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?”

“Officially or unofficially?”

“Both.”

“Officially, we are required to contact, welcome and log in any and all sentient races or multibeings in this quadrant of the Universe, without prejudice, fear or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing.”

“I was hoping you would say that.”

“It seems harsh, but there is a limit. Do we really want to make contact with meat?”

“I agree one hundred percent. What’s there to say? ‘Hello, meat. How’s it going?’ But will this work? How many planets are we dealing with here?”

“Just one. They can travel to other planets in special meat containers, but they can’t live on them. And being meat, they can only travel through C space. Which limits them to the speed of light and makes the possibility of their ever making contact pretty slim. Infinitesimal, in fact.”

“So we just pretend there’s no one home in the Universe.”

“That’s it.”

“Cruel. But you said it yourself, who wants to meet meat? And the ones who have been aboard our vessels, the ones you probed? You’re sure they won’t remember?”

“They’ll be considered crackpots if they do. We went into their heads and smoothed out their meat so that we’re just a dream to them.”

“A dream to meat! How strangely appropriate, that we should be meat’s dream.”

“And we marked the entire sector unoccupied.”

“Good. Agreed, officially and unofficially. Case closed. Any others? Anyone interesting on that side of the galaxy?”

“Yes, a rather shy but sweet hydrogen core cluster intelligence in a class nine star in G445 zone. Was in contact two galactic rotations ago, wants to be friendly again.”

“They always come around.”

“And why not? Imagine how unbearably, how unutterably cold the Universe would be if one were all alone …“

http://www.terrybisson.com/page6/page6.html

Mary Christine

Omni magazine! Blast from the past. That exchange sounds like “Who’s on First”.

Francis Marion

That was awesome. +100

DRUD
DRUD

Brilliant!
Ok…Click the link stupid. Bisson is very clearly a bug fan of Vonnegut/Kilgore Trout.

Spitfireball
Spitfireball

Fallen angels/aka nephilim which are human fallen angel hybrids, L. A. Marzulli is an expert on all this watch him and learn. It’s also becoming clearer that AI, drones, genetic alteration done with microchips all tied into the WWW is the beast system that will be the eotwawki. The world and its history is way more mysterious than most people understand.

GilbertS
GilbertS

I have a hard time believing in aliens. I know according to science it’s almost guaranteed there is life on other worlds, but I believe it’s probably very rare to see intelligence and rarer still to see that intelligence achieve flight, let alone space flight, and probably incomprehensibly rarer than that to see a civilization survive to the point where it can travel to other stars. Even rarer would be the civilization that took to space and we somehow spotted them. The universe is somewhat expansive, after all. Finally, if you look at the experience of the European interaction with the Americas, I assume any interaction with aliens would be an utter disaster for us, so I think it’s safe to assume there are no aliens here, no aliens around here, and no aliens secretly kidnapping people to do buttstuff. I don’t think you could hide a Columbus-type event with an incredible ship full of weird creatures arriving, trading bizarre foreign tech with us for gold or uranium or whatever, taking “guides” (hostages) for intelligence purposes, and requesting to see our leaders.

Also, I think if aliens exist, and they’re advanced enough to get here, they probably don’t need to come here and they would gain nothing from being here. What would they come for? Our fascinating highly-advanced culture? There is nothing we have they couldn’t get elsewhere and by the time you have the tech to travel between stars and galaxies, talking to us would be as interesting as talking to slugs. Woop-ti-fucking-do. By the time you can travel between galaxies, you can probably travel right out of this dimension, so why waste your time on apes like us? So I doubt there are any aliens around. My suspicion is all the UFOs are ours. Oh, and I’m curious about the religious aspect of it all, too.

I used to Want to Believe. Years of Art Bell shows fascinated me, but it always seemed like the people who witnessed UFOs were crazies and their stories were hard to believe. The ones who worked in New Age bullshit or pretend to know all about alien biology were even worse. My brother claimed he saw a UFO, too, but at the time he was also a drug addict, so it was rather hard to believe. Then, I saw something.

I was doing a night hike on a nature trail down in northern Virginia a few years ago. I liked night hiking because it was convenient to my schedule and it added an element of excitement to the otherwise long trudge. The approach corridor for Dulles airport passed overhead and it was a busy line of slow-moving low-level jets with running lights and bright search lights on their way to or from the airport. I was using an AN/PVS 7 night vision headset to watch the trail and around 0130 I happened to look up at the sky. Overhead, I spotted something that instantly looked different from the run-of-the-mill airliners passing by overhead.

First, it was invisible to the naked eye. Only the NODs saw it.

Second, it had no running lights or lights of any kind. All I could see was a bright single light at what I assume was the tail end of it and a very strange delta or boomerang-shaped wave of light at what I assume was behind it. This strange lit-up area reminded me of the ripple you would get if you dragged a stick across the surface of a pond.

Depth perception with NODs can be difficult and the fact I couldn’t visually see it made it hard to make any clear judgements, but my perceptions are it was very very high up above the regular airspace for the airport. I assume it was so high, it didn’t need to worry about running lights or other traffic. It traveled at a constant rate of speed going North and never appeared to turn or change speed. I don’t how fast it was going, but if it was as high up as it seemed, it must have been fast. I also assume that whatever was powering it put out so much energy, it created that strange “wave” shape behind it. I doubt it was aliens, but I’m very curious to know what it might have been.

Edwitness
Edwitness

Very good. I especially appreciated the reference to the strong delusion. An event that may well be facilitated by these “et’s” and will make the world one with us pushy, uncompromising Christians out of the picture as so many have desired for so long. The flood of “immigration” is an unnecessary method for accomplishing this genocide. Because every true believer in Jesus will be “caught up” to the Savior, leaving the world to it’s and it’s own savior’s devices. The “door” of the “ark” is getting ready to close. Get in while you still can.
Blessings:-}

RiNS

Man are you a wet blanket…

Let me know when you leave Ed. I will bake a cake and throw a party. Just for you!

Yours in Odin,

Your Favourite Heathen RINS

Edwitness
Edwitness

Wet blanket? The words I wrote get me pumped! These guys are not our friends. And very soon they are going to prove it to the whole world. At least those who have been left behind after the Savior comes for His bride. “As it was in the days of Noah…..”
Nephilim, fallen angels mating with women, the incredible knowledge for doing evil they are and will bring with them. Not something I want to be here for. And because of the grace of God I and many others won’t be. You could be in that number too.
You won’t need for me to tell you when I’m gone. It will be front page news in every paper and newscast in the world.
Blessings:-}

RiNS

Can’t wait!

Rdawg
Rdawg

You’d think that 2000+ years of the savior’s failure to show up would cast some doubt on the predictions…nope. Aaaaaany day now. Any day.

Stucky

Rdawg, you shut your mouf!!

A thousand years is but one day to da Lawd. So, he’s only been gone TWO days!!

Infidel!

Edwitness
Edwitness

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Blessings:-}

Mary Christine

Thanks for this essay, Uncola. This is a subject that I have wondered about off and on for a long time. I have never had an encounter with a UFO, probably because I don’t want to. No supernatural encounters, either. I don’t want to see ghosts, so I don’t. That doesn’t mean I don’t believe people who have had these experiences, though. Some are beyond belief, but many are not.

No one has ever been able to come up with a good explanation for the Spook Lights in southern Missouri. Some say they are car headlights but that doesn’t account for the sightings recorded as early as 1881. Some say they are swamp gas.

My husband says he and his mom (she confirmed it) had one when he was 5. It stopped their car and hovered over them on I70 when they were on the way home to Kansas City from Denver. There was a sighting near Denver around ’70 or ’71 that was in the Denver paper. I can’t find it now but I have found it in the past. Colorado is a hotbed for UFO sightings.

Spitfire recommends L A Marzulli, who is quite enjoyable to listen to. He has a DVD out I haven’t seen about the “Miracle at Fatima” 100 years ago last month. I have heard him talk about it, it’s pretty fascinating. They said the sun did all kinds of weird things that would be impossible. There are old photos of it.

I recommend Dr Michael Heiser. L A Marzulli and Dr Hieser don’t play well together but that’s beside the point. Hieser is a bible scholar who has more than just a passing interest in UFology and the paranormal.

Frequently Asked Questions

Maggie
Maggie

You have excellent sources to look at . thanks.

Mary Christine

What’s the down vote for? I must still be in the doghouse.

Maggie
Maggie

Somebody just seems to dislike everything I say today.

Annie
Annie

“Proof” that physical aliens can’t be visiting the earth based on our current knowledge of physics is just silly. Other civilizations could easily be millions of years more advanced than we are and we can understand concepts like warp drives, worm holes, and star gates even if we can’t (yet) prove that they might exist. A better argument would be – why would these physical aliens bother with us if they’re that much more advanced? How much attention do we pay to an amoeba?

Insistence that UFOs must be physical aliens is also silly. As others here have pointed out there are many other possible explanations including extra-dimensional and/or spiritual beings.

The most absurd silliness is that UFOs must be from elsewhere/elsewhen. The simplest explanation is that they were developed and originated here on earth by a hidden advanced civilization. This could be a remnant of a civilization from a previous cycle or a separate civilization allowed to develop unfettered by the controls put on ours.

Rumplestiltskin
Rumplestiltskin

I’m not sure where you got your “Flat Land” theory, but whoever wrote that up is not thinking clearly. In two dimensional flat land the inhabitants could not see the foot print, which is a view from a higher dimension. What they will actually see is a dot showing up in their midst, the dot would grow in length until it reached it maximum while passing through flat land, and then shrink until the dot popped out of existence for them. It is far to easy to apply Anthropomorphism when discussing things we know little about, but some logic can be applied to gain some insight rather succumbing to little thought out analogies.

Anonymous
Anonymous

You’re overthinking it Rumple. The flatland analagy is met to offer perspective, not theory.

Maggie
Maggie

There is actually some discussion paid to that viewpoint in the follow-on book Sphereland. It was not as well received as Flatland, but it certainly expanded the viewpoint capacity.

trim
trim

They’re tricksters. They gain your confidence with accurate prophetic information then set you up for the big one. Like in 1966 they had many people accross the country independently believing for certain the whole electric grid was going to go down at the moment they lit the national Christmas tree in Washington. Instead the silver bridge collapsed in Point Pleasant WV. And after that, Mothman wasn’t seen around anymore, along with all the UFOs.

trim
trim

Men in black were an interesting phenomena. Imagine you’re walking along the street and a car pulls over and the window rolls down and a strange looking man waves you over to ask for directions. You notice he’s dressed authentically in 1940’s attire that looks like he didn’t bother to iron it after taking it off the rack. He’s driving a 1948 Pontiac that looks like it just came off the dealer’s lot and you notice it still has the new car smell. But he’s wearing bizarre looking shades that you won’t see in the stores for another 15 years. He’s grinning. They are always grinning. And he asks you directions for some obscure place on the other side of the country you’ve never heard of. (And where something very bad is about to happen.) They’re not space aliens.

Maggie
Maggie

My father told this story about an angel that drove up in a 1949 Buick with a piece of junk he was selling out of his trunk for a few dollars being the exact part he needed for his 1957 John Deere tractor to keep running at least through planting season. He said the peculiar little man insisted he come see what was in his trunk and then, when he asked neighbors if they’d seen the strange little travelling Salesman selling odds and ends that summer day in 1967, they had no idea what he was talking about.

So, my father convinced me that an angel brought him a part he could rig up and use for his ancient but dependable John Deere tractor.

Much later, I learned my father was full of shit.

KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie

Haha… good one. I was hitch hiking to work at Emory Hospital from my shared house in Decatur. I was picked up by Jesus and his black man servant in an old Willys Jeep. At least that is what they told me. Jesus sang a song accompanied by the servant on a harmonica. I swear the story is true but not the veracity of the actors.

Did you get my words on Raucous Parrots?

BB

Hey Unicorn , I enjoyed​ this article ! I know all about alien abduction and I have traveled to far side of the Universe. I did it by Astral projection with the help of Mushrooms.I eat about about 20 of them in one sitting.I Remember looking up at the clock and it was 11 pm the next time I looked at the clock it was 4:50 am in the morning.Almost 6 hours had passed . Physically I never left my room but spiritually I crossed the Universe .I think I saw Stucky .True Story.

BL
BL

What has three balls and comes from outer space?

BB the EXTRATESTICLE

DRUD
DRUD

Is that a Night Patrol reference?

Blast from the past if there ever was one.

Maggie
Maggie

Can I pressure can it with quinoa?

Unicorn
Unicorn

BB the Extra Testicle (bwwwwwhhahahahahaha!!!) @ November 17, 2017 at 3:26 pm

And THAT, my friends, is how your Fed Ex packages enter… into… the TWILIGHT ZONE.

100. I win.

Maggie
Maggie

That was sneaky, sneaky comment counting Unicorn. Well Played.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Word on the street is Unicorn only has one ball.

Stubb
Stubb

But he’s always horny! Bwwwwwaahhhaaaahhaaa.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

My favorite joke I read here is Thundercunt. Like the word pussy, it never fails to make me smile.

Maggie
Maggie

Bad form.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Sorry, Magita

Barney
Barney

Been a long time since I took any mushrooms and I wouldnt know where to find them but if you can get your hands on some , go camping and eat a gram with dinner.
When I was a small child ,4 yrs old? I had a very strange dream only problem was I woke up and the dream was still ongoing for a very long minute. Years later I successfully invoked the name of Jesus on at least one occasion.
Thats why I walk the walk.

Barney
Barney

Thanks for reminding me of forgotten childhood memories,no aliens/UFOs just a couple of strange occurrences that I wish I could chalk up to a vivid imagination. I would elaborate but its none of the authorities business.

ottomatik
ottomatik

Why do the catholics have all the high powered scopes?
Why did they name the 1 in NM, Lucifer?
They got something cooking, collection plate looks a little light these days.
Time for a rebrand?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Why do the Catholics have all the high powered scopes?
They believe in a higher power?

Why did they name the 1 in NM, Lucifer?
It was a fallen angel?

i forget
i forget

Apologies in advance to Wip, if necessary. lol…

“unconditionally demonstrated the public’s overall susceptibility…” “…just read the news headlines…” “…a certain amount of comfort…” “…patters & seductions…” “…all sounds very familiar…” “…abduction experiences are so similar for varying people all around the globe…” “…experimented with the occult…” “…noticed another pattern…” “…the alien phenomenon is not only bifurcated by the psychological imprinting of science fiction and ufology…” “…What is the moral..?”

I have conditions. Not the ones the house docs have dx’d. Non-competes aren’t one of my conditions.

Noose head lines. Gallows humor.

If it feels good…

Synonymous

Suggestibility comes before hypnotized. But not in most redactionaries.

That’s the story, & we’re all sticking to it. (Wilde: talent borrows, genius steals. Meatloaf: paradise by the dashboard light: he stole a base! Legal, tho. If she likes you. And doesn’t change her mind later.) I hadda’ a NDE, saw a glowing UFO, inna’ tunnel, comin’ for to carry me home…& then they anal probed me.)

Cult o’ Occam

When you stare into the abyss…& seeing is believing in things that you don’t understand…cue the StevieW tune…but have it pipe out of the hole – that’ll really set synapses to burning.

If it duckwalks, & it was 1st pattern I saw, that’s momma! Wait for me momma, I’m a ducktoo, & following you! (I remember Oscar giving Felix a chant: owaaa tagoo siam. Took Felix awhile to decipher it. Took me even longer to use it in a sentence.)

A tasty mushroom. Magic shrooms are tasty in a different way, so I hear. And you can re-taste the 1st taste, again & again, I’ve heard. Flash grenades for the mind. Cold hearted orbs, that rule the fright. Sorry, Al, “god” do roll dem bones; in fact, the BigR(eality) is an inveterate degenerate gambler. That Bill Hicks bosun ride is a roulette sphere.

Dualism, duality, always the emphasis on the ends of a linear continuum – good & bad (“evil”) is a fave simple syrup flavor map – that isn’t the territory. It’s part of an inebriating mixed drink cocktail. Tongue the terra incognita, wet sprocket.

Skepticism is a virtue, one that underlies honesty, integrity. As does Imagination, which 5th element is usually “located” at good\loose ends of the duel banjo continuum, but like everything else is not unmitigated. Not by a long shot, or tune.

I’m a fan of imagination. But I don’t want to be fanned on by it. There *are* just that sort of good ol’ boys in those woods, banjos in pockets, happy to see you seeing them sawing you. I’ve met those would-be fuckers. And lived, ass intact, to tell the tale. Haha…in retrospect.

A cover that uncovers a bit more, or covers more up? “We” “decide”. (Lyrics strip the melody sprocket, but I take it where I find it…which is just about everywhere):

[Intro: The Moody Blues ‘The Day Begins’ sample]
Cold hearted orb that rules the night
Removes the colors from our sight
Red is gray and yellow, white
But we decide which is right
And which is an illusion
Pinprick holes in a colorless sky
Let insipid figures of light pass by
The mighty light of ten thousand suns
Challenges infinity and is soon gone
Night time, to some a brief interlude
To others the fear of solitude

[Holocaust]
I fight demons summoned by the Egyptian sorcerer
After a prolong battle, the Nomad enforcer
Seal the demons within a mountain tomb
Losing his magic weapons there, your torture
My war paint you beware, an unnamed ancestor there
Decease, so despair, orchard
A feat tornado killed you and your crew when you all were unaware
Virtually nothing is known as the past, the man known only as the Holocaust
A huge turnout located, beneath Los Angeles
Is where a battle takes place
And all the fans watch, panty on, desert sword sky
Shaolin Monk stealth keeping
Or like John Hancock, a giant Incredible Hulk made of a stone
He’s called Brock Bottom, the lights clock and bed rock
The enclypedia of serial killers, crime school, the black hand strikes
The underworld’s criminal gang stop
Valentine’s day, happy, the untouchables
Cosa Nostra, team money slang
Today’s underworld, the deadly trade

[Chorus: Holocaust]
A thermo-optic invisible gun blaster, that’s flirting with disaster
I never get captured
A thermo-optic invisible gun blaster, that’s flirting with disaster
I never get captured

[Dopestyle]
Fiends fear a king, let me do my thing
MC’s on the pill still pregnant from the mic check
From the cat shrek of death, west coast where I wreck
My Chef Boyardee, green with the pesto
Ruler Daquan, him is my friend
MC Green gummy, but, knees never bend
From no man, woman, child, off into the wild
Off into your hood, red riding hood
For what you did to my cousin, the big bad wolf
I come Captain Jack Sparrow or my Captain Hook
Destroy your Peter Pan myths, with my funky lips
Shit’s get sticky like peanut butter Jiff
Gold in my furnace, how this, a serious poet
Took a terror time, licked this
Stupendous, vicious, man on a mission
Will Oklahoma bomb ya, but save the children
My man real kinda ill, give girls chill
MC’s like you, I put you on my grill
Thrill of the heat, brushing up on your skin
Soft and cover extorior, what’s the alterior
Motif for rap flowing, for your fiends and showboating
Fries from Mickey D’s, I see you cooking
I still be with the drainer, kids kinda plainer
Forgot to add the salt, my verbal assault
Insult to your injuries, don’t remember me?
Draw 31, the man, the myth

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

i forget, I thought that poem was called Late Lament and it followed Nights in White Satin, it played on the radio as part of that song.

Since the group had gathered in an old house to write songs, this poem is clearly a description of the approaching twilight and the cold-hearted orb is the moon. The poem’s music seems to be an homage to The Twilight Zone’s theme.

i forget
i forget

EC, the fulcrum is ‘we decide which is right & which is an illusion’. Twilight zones ensue…’it was the easiest thing to do.’

Trust’s (desire, nay compulsion, to believe) the banana peel. Credulity’s the concussion. I see closed head injuries…everywhere. ☺

Michael Relfe

Excellent introduction article on this subject. Well written. Please continue your research on Metatech.org.

Do Not Get On The Ships – http://www.metatech.org/wp/aliens/alien-landing-get-on-ships-yes-or-no/

Thousands of U.S. Navy Space Carriers Designed by Nordic Aliens are to be used in The Harvest of humans. – http://www.metatech.org/wp/ufos/u-s-navy-space-carriers-designed-nordic-aliens/

European President Jean-Claude Juncker Says He Spoke To Leaders of Other Planets – Alien War Imminent. – http://www.metatech.org/wp/aliens/secret-space-war-bad-aliens-vs-good-aliens-scam/

The Nordic Alien Project Plan for the coming Harvest of Humans – http://www.metatech.org/wp/nordics/nordic-aliens-tall-whites/

Alien Mind Control Commands and How You Can Remove Them – No Signup – Free Book – http://www.metatech.org/wp/?ddownload=1518

Open Letter to Heads of the Military Regarding Defeating the Alien Presence – http://www.metatech.org/wp/aliens/open-letter-heads-military-regarding-defeating-alien-presence/

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Maggie, I too have been receiving secret messages in song lyrics. Evidently, we are surrounded by blue skies. Weird.

I Can See Clearly Now

I can see clearly now, the rain is gone,
I can see all obstacles in my way
Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind
It’s gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright)
Sun-Shiny day.

I think I can make it now, the pain is gone
All of the bad feelings have disappeared
Here is the rainbow I’ve been prayin?for
It’s gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright)
Sun-Shiny day.

Look all around, there’s nothin?but blue skies
Look straight ahead, nothin?but blue skies

I can see clearly now, the rain is gone,
I can see all obstacles in my way
Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind
It’s gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright)
Sun-Shiny day.

Maggie
Maggie

Oh. My. God. I laughed.

Good job sneaking up on me, you tricky tricky cousin of the fox. We have a small pack of coyotes that roam the farms and lands here, but almost never do you see a fox. I have seen more foxes on deer cam this year than before. That meant something to those people who listened to Quetzacotl or whatever the flaming parrot/fox’s name was down in those gorgeous mountains of Peru? But, to me? Out here in New Little Italy, Ozarks (which is what I’m politicking for naming our new little flyover country where we shall wave gaily and say “Ciao!” [whatcha think of Eddie Izzard standup days HSF?] as the other 10 regions get their shit sorted out about what they think about the 4th Turning now?

I was lax in my deer hunting duties this past week. The heaviness of the upcoming holiday season is trying to find someone to carry it. If you are the person primarily responsible for making the home look ready for the holidays in a way that really matters? And I mean all the FOOD you idiots! Do you really think bringing home those frozen packs of meat is what constitutes putting quality food on the table? I wanted to serve young venison this year; I’d hoped to pick up one more small buck or doe to hang and cure in the old standup refrigerator (GE circa 1964) that stood plugged into a wall since the treehouse was abandoned sometime in the 1980s. After Nick and I bought that land and old house, we restored the electricity (okay, my brilliant husband did the restoring, but I did the cooking and food preparation then too.) I cleaned out that refrigerator with lots of bleach and elbow grease, dried it out and plugged it in. Within an hour, the little metal freezer shelf had a layer of frost on it, 1960s style!

So, that little refrigerator is almost perfect for curing and aging a couple of hindquarters. But, alas… I couldn’t bring myself to shoot at the young deer who have gotten so used to me doing what it is I do here. I’m not saying I’ve gone SOFT, exactly. I just felt like having deer that kind of follow me around to see if I’m dropping an apple core or a handful of broccoli when I stop doesn’t seem right now that I know I have deer groupies. I need to let the deer know I’m not always safe to be around. It seems sporting.

The rabbits suspect I’m not always safe to be around. I appear to have a successful litter. She birthed the kits last Saturday, but in spite of my getting the nesting box into her pen well in time for her to line it with straw and fur, she put off making a nest until the last evening and made it in the corner of the pen. So, I slid a piece of old carpet under that corner to insulate the little nekkid pink things buried under Shirley Godbunny’s fur from the air beneath. Our rabbit hutch is a wooden frame holding three cages for two does and one buck. We added a frame that accommodates an old dog crate our Pyrenese outgrew and our Buck, Scrapper, has adjusted to that as his warren pretty well. The does go there to mate with him, when they go. I haven’t had a successful breeding from him for almost a year; I’m not blaming him. Beatrice moved away to a horse barn and now she’s too good to visit him out here in the sticks. Was too bad because she and Scrapper made some absolutely beautiful and meaty children together. My friend who works near the Potomac has a beloved pet terrorizing the cat from Scrapper’s loins, but now he only has Shirley for mating purposes and so she’s let herself go just a bit. It happens with rabbits.

I had put off removing the two young bucks from that litter last year (remember, the little one eyed doe I named Little Bit? She died a Natural Selection death. She was not only blind, but she was also stupid. In spite of my re-enforcing the penning around her little habitat amongst the garden’s above ground boxes, she kept getting out and venturing to the high grasses near the edge of the woods. Nature insists that a rabbit that is inferior both in physical quality (one eye) and mental acuity (tempted by high grasses) must not survive to pass along those genes.

The two young bucks? Delicious.

i forget
i forget

Snarky coyote coloration. I like it.

Agree with the En Vogue sistahs about that contextual color blindness, but really, no conflict with color 20:20, either. Walls of colorsound are beauty. & some truth. Clarity or no, usually plenty of hilarity, bookending the tragedy. Inside that Grecian urn.

“Painting…is from the first rather a subjective reproduction of what is seen, not of what is….” ~ Otto Rank Value is reproduced subjectivity, too. ~ some other Austrian guys

Open secrets. & closed. Or shut. ‘Free your mind’’s still a matter of secretions. & some secretagogues are just demagogues. Lol….

Robert Gore

Interesting article. I posted it on SLL, the site can use a trip off the beaten track.

Stucky

Aaaaand, uncola’s article hits The 5th Dimension Jackpot!!

BL
BL

Intro for Project Blue Beam Stuck. They will have their writers pouring out these articles to get the sheep ready for the “Big Show”.

Jack
Jack

How could articles like this possibly help their cause? I wouldn’t think they would be too pleased to have this article out in the open because it exposes the deception.

Pedrothemerciless
Pedrothemerciless

Great article. And the comments… most entertaining/thought provoking/maddening/inspiring I’ve perhaps ever read in a thread. Anywhere. Lots of brain power/talent here. A++ Amazing we’re still stuck on the speed of light though 😉

Maggie
Maggie

Hey, Pedro… have you seen my old friend Alejandro?

It seems to me that if you loved Abraham, John or Martin, all you needed to do was wait and it would be fashionable to hate them for some reason or another if the story turned that way.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

I seem to recall Mary Shelley commented in her preface that she and Percy and another person were discussing making up a few stories. Mary kicked their asses with her morality play about man trying to replace the gift of women. Years later, we still see man trying to create life from inert matter.

As HF says, life can only come from life. Jesus says he is the way, the truth, and the life. There had to be life in the beginning so that life could proceed from it. Women were volunteered into being the conduit of human life.

From the time of the fall, men have been working toward eliminating the troublesome woman. To that end, we now have sex robots, fertility labs and kitchen appliances to take the place of icky women.

GilbertS
GilbertS

Hey man, that was profound. Well done!

On the flipside, women now have robot lawnmowers, vibrators, and Date-in-a-box services to replace icky men.

Ghost

Stepford is one possible mini country in the land formerly known as the USA. I am in Little Italy.

Ghost

Anyone who thinks cloning us ladybots is that easily accomplished needs to watch the genius of Multiplicity. Watch it drunk.

BL
BL

Maggie- EC throws barbs daily at women, now he says they are replaced by kitchen gadgets…..he says all that then leaves his computer because the Sexy Mullata called him to eat the breakfast she prepared. Don’t let him fool you.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Whose side are you on, Bea?

BL
BL

I don’t have a side EC. If women were replaced by kitchen gadgets/bots, you would be the first one on the platform crying in your beer. OTOH, I saw an interview of one of those sex bots and she was very agreeable so you could be right.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Your wife is really strong.
I wonder, La Magita, if you woke up – well not you- if a guy woke up and his clone lay beside him.
Initial thrill gone, who really wants to make love to his clone, really?
Anyways, you find after the initial burst of possibilities, that you hate this guy, he’s an asshole, thought he is just like you in every way. If you kill him, would it be murder? Who would know, you’re here, aren’t you.

Copfuks, we’d like to talk to you about a body, looks like murder one. Do you know a Dave Doe?
Dave, I am Dave Doe.
Copfucks, Yeah well, it appears you’re dead in the morgue right now, know anything about that?
Dave, Stares at copfuks blankly.

Maggie
Maggie

Did you ever see the movie Prestige? Realize that Tesla was indeed on the cusp of wireless transfer of energy and power.

What would that have done to AT&T?

BL
BL

I’m not sure what all that means EC , but it sounds really dark like your recurring dream of hell.
Have you considered writing a Poe style trilogy to compete with Uncolated?

I supported your position above, somewhat.

Chalmer Basham
Chalmer Basham

Just what is the scientific proof of dimensions higher than three?
Please do not use math as some sort of proof cause it is not. Math is not science. Hell, science doesn’t even KNOW what matter and energy really are but they have observed and measured “it” and through much experimentation learned how to use “it”.
Most science has been corrupted just like everything else…..and it is money at the root of this corruption and it is political considerations that direct project funding.

hardscrabble farmer

“Just what is the scientific proof of dimensions higher than three?”

Scientific proof is not a priori, it follows.

Until X-rays were discovered there was no “scientific proof’ of X-rays and yet there they were, all along.

Like Bunny Planet.

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Ghost

Where George and Lennie could have lived off the fat of the land with no problem if the big doofus could have learned to keep his hands to himself.

Stubb
Stubb

CHALMER BASHAM IS A FUCKING FLATLANDER!!

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

I thought flatlanders were people not from New Hampshire.

Maggie
Maggie

They can also be from “not Boston.”

Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom

Actually this is a globalist plan to make everyone follow One World Government based on specious claims of alien invaders. Like “Climate Change”, only a “Global Government” can deal with the threat of space invaders. You sci-fi nerds will probably eat it up with all those “Coast to Coast” and X-Files shows about evil superintelligent aliens that have FTL spaceships and Ultra-tech, but apparently need to come here for food and water. Its hard to find Good Restaurants in the boondocks of the Milky Way Galaxy like this solar system apparently.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic

I don’t believe in aliens at all. I believe most of the UFO sightings are our own government experiments (black ops). I read an article several months ago in which a military veteran claimed he was part of a black op that included kidnapping people to make them think they were abducted by aliens. He said all of this has been going on since the 1940s. Notice lately all the ex-astronauts, pilots, government people coming out talking about how aliens are real? I believe it’s all a ploy.

The “Iron Mountain Report” outlined a plan in which the citizens of the world would be taught to think aliens are real and that they plan to attack planet earth. Therefore, world government was required to fight the aliens and save the earth. The technology probably already exists, or soon will exist, to project images in the sky that will make people think they’re real. Of course, the “War of the Worlds” would probably be fought over a desert in Saudi Arabia or over the Indian Ocean where nobody lives, and only the MSM would be able to show you what they want you to see as the war is fought.

Aliens = Pure Bunkum.

Uncola

@ RiNS – If you see this comment today – what would be a better ideological construct than the Bible to bridge what we believe (science fiction) with what we see (ufology)?

I am not trying to stir up a TBP shitstorm here but I keep thinking about it and was curious how you would answer that question.

The only thing I can think of would be the Scientific Method. Anything else?

Anyone?

RiNS

Well my first impulse would be, and it should be of no surprise to anyone, to reach for scientific method. Still even those answers are limited by the way our primate brains are hard wired. Whether one believes in evolution or not it is unquestionable fact that we do share our DNA with everything else.

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Yet neither the Chimp or Banana are burdened by a consciousness that is worried about a soon impeding demise , which is the ultimate event horizon of own dichotomous brains. Hardly a surprise then that we live in a world where Binary systems reign supreme. Dooming us all to a lifetime of narratives framing the world as

Future vs Past
Good vs Bad
Faith vs Proven Fact

The world we live in is a dance between facts and the great mysteries of faith. Faith being based on books written long ago and not subject to change. Why should I believe that men and women from the Bronze Age had figured it all out. Come up with the grand plan and ultimate answers to life and to death with the unbending dogma to be used by sophisticated Chimps who have the impulse control of bananas.

But Science doesn’t get off the hook either. Science is based on the observable and what can be proven. It is a binary system as well. Its success or failure is subject to the same flawed brain I described above and has become a Bible by other means. The Big Bang being the latest ultimate creation story.

Both the Bible and Modern Science place too much faith in lines, circles and spheres. They are all set boundaries. They all have a beginning and an end. Infinite sets whatever that means.

Could Quantum Theory provide an answer. Maybe. There at least things can be on or off, positive or negative, up or down or most importantly of all both at the same time. What is always was.

Instead might Time and everything else be seen as strands bending and wrapping around each other. The weaves folding in a dance that has no beginning and has no end.

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All this said I don’t any sentient would bother with warp drives and wormholes to travel across the universe to see us. We ain’t that remarkable or important to expense the time. At least that is how I am thinking about it today..

11:17 AST

We are the blonde standing in middle of bar. However as with Nash the Aliens, if they are out there, will likely just pass us by on their quest for a eureka moment for themselves…

RiNS

Uncola you might be only one that reads this. Which is fine because I have had a gut full of shit fests. Feel bad about having another go at the Farmer. Sometimes I just can’t help myself. From now on for simplicities sake I plan on working from his premise. It doesn’t really matter anyways.

To what I wrote above I linked to a celtic knot. Apparently pixabay doesn’t appreciate hotlinks. Anyhoo this is how I see the world.

The Big Bang has never made sense to me. It is flawed in the same way the Bible is. A beginning, an interlude and a end. Hardly a surprise as it was orginally posited by a Priest of Rome.

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Uncola

RiNS – Interesting perspectives. I appreciate your thoughts. My priorities are to always maintain an open mind, but never get fooled. As you know, it’s more than a full-time job. Regardless, whether faith in God, or the Bible, or faith in science, or faith in ___________ is still faith, ya know? In my experience, I have also seen some people (not you of course) shut down their search because they are angry at God, (or whatever); lazy, proud, or simply have their minds made up. How could anyone be angry at something they claim doesn’t exist? It’s a good question.

In watching Mary Christine’s video below (November 18, 2017, at 12:10 pm) they compare DNA coding to the alphanumeric characters in a book; how can this coding present in order without an Author? It’s a good question.

It also seems – evolutionists would have us believe on faith…., that complex systems such as the human eye developed via mutation. But modern science seems to prove that positive mutations are rare, they generally don’t survive in a population and they don’t add information. Also – in the development of complex cellular systems like the eye – all positive mutations must happen at once to survive and take over a population. My understanding is that this is called “irreducible complexity” and is statistically impossible in a 14 billion year old universe.

Additionally, with regard to the Bible, Psalm 104:2 says:

The LORD wraps himself in light as with a garment; he stretches out the heavens like a tent.

How did the Psalmist know to describe outer space in terms of fabric? Another good question because, it seems to me, indiscriminate arbitrariness would have dictated a less accurate description. The same goes regarding the order of creation in Genesis ( written circa 1500 BC) matching Darwin’s order of evolution.

Maybe some questions are not able to be answered definitively. Therefore, only choices remain. As for me, I will move in harmony with the seasons. Peace, my friend.

i forget
i forget

Language. The loose lips that sink ships. Hell, it drives them into bergs & reefs on purpose.

“Spherical” from an observer point of view. Not all observers. Omni-directionality. Simultaneity. Too many variables. Tracking, quantifying, qualifying, synthesizing – (most)everybody is, or tries to be, wise man from Hindustan. Most just don’t know it, or refuse to accept it. Limitations? Don’t want to know them. They’re scary. Kiss “principle” sells, sells, sells. Safety razor it’s called, but men’s faces & women’s legs are just as cut up as in days of straight Occam. Styptic pencils for those nicks, & for slashed jugulars, too.

Bible IS a bridge. The kind that rips up the pavers behind it to build the next bit forward. Every sprocket in it was borrowed by talent, stolen by genius in service to deception. Names changed to protect the guilty.

God, whichever one\s, invoked, I hear “I don’t know.” It’s a conceptual placeholder. But too often it becomes lien-holder. & sharecroppers live out their lien-lives. Leanly. But not so cleanly.

Need to know basis is, largely, the basis. (I just gots to know – said the punk to DH.) And I don’t know is, largely, unacceptable. Punchline being that I dunno is unacceptable subsidizes I dunno. Round & round humanimals go. Catch-22…pop-pop, behind the ear.

Started “Ruanaway Jury” the other night. Two visible voir dire teams trying to stack the verdict (“jury”) in their respective favors – standard binary game – and 3rd, espionage team working it too, from inside the jury & playing the other two VD’s against each other for a $10 million price tag. Trimurti game. Love the one you’re gaming with game. The insider deceiver has succeeded in getting a blind guy “elected” jury foreman. The blind leading the blind.

But the lead-follow biggie has always been the bland leading the blonde (stereotyped blondes). And peter(‘s robbery pays paul) principle prevails, of course – cuz human world is filled with dicks. And Van Dyke shows.

KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie

Wow i forget! a virtuoso imbroglio comes steaming hot from hades and harkens the cockles of my black and not so sacred heart. BRAVO

i forget
i forget

Sacred heart, Jarvik7, heartmath institute…heart-shaped world, cold-hearted orb that rules the night…lol

Truther
Truther

If I went to Egypt 5,000 years ago and told the pharaoh I can move at 2,000 miles per hour he would laugh. Then I would build a bicycle. Then a car, then a bi plane then a jet and I would go faster than a speeding bullet…I would be called crazy for 4,900 years, but that last century I would be called genius…..in a flat earth…..the Bible talks of the firmament above and the waters above the firmament….what if there are waters above and there is an ocean of organic biological things that in the deep dark create their own bioluminescent like our own ocean creatures? There is life beyond humans, fact. Are they smarter and able to travel here? Who knows, I assume so. Most ufos are our own govt using new energy, u will see in the next 20 years, guaranteed….they cannot disrupt entire economies, yet….when the big crash comes they will roll it out for economic salvaging to get the economy going again as they each time, hence the iPhone in 2007 right as the big stock mkt crash was happening…….

Mary Christine

The Vatican was mentioned in that wikileaks email dump, Uncola.
Pope Marx, err sorry, Francis has stated he would baptize an ET. They have a very large telescope in Arizona, run by Jesuits. I was trying to find out how much it cost to build but have been unable to come across a specific amount. It was funded by private donations.

“But as much as the commonality of UFO sightings on Mt. Graham’s telescopes intrigued, this was not the primary reason for our being there. We had come with deeper questions concerning high-level Vatican astronomers and what they had been leaking to, and discussing with, media in recent years. Captivating comments from Jesuit priests like Guy Consolmagno—a leading astronomer who often turns up in media as a spokesman for the Vatican who has worked at NASA and taught at Harvard and MIT and who currently splits his time between the Vatican Observatory and laboratory (Specola Vaticana) headquartered at the summer residence of the Pope in Castel Gandolfo, Italy, and Mt. Graham in Arizona.” (from the lucifer project link)

The Pope’s Planetologists

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/1974700/former-nasa-astronaut-claims-the-pope-knows-aliens-exist-and-want-to-help-humans-but-a-space-war-is-imminent/

L.U.C.I.F.E.R. Project

Here is a short interview with Gary Bates from two days ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB7U3LvMvko&index=1&list=PLJoaVZ5hNlnV9mCRB3ggc8VygDfu-SoO-

Anonymous
Anonymous

Mary,

That video was a very interesting 19 minutes. It looks like Gary Bate’s ‘Alien Intrusion’ book was also made into a movie that comes out on January 11th.

Mary Christine

That is correct, Anonymous@Nov 18,12:36pm, not sure which anonymous you are.

The interview posted the same day as Uncola’s essay.

Coinkydink?

Maggie
Maggie

Coinky Dinks do Happen, I’ve heard.

BL
BL

This just in from the Mercury Theater>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

A seven foot tall alien was just spotted at TJ’s in NJ shouting obscene language and scaring the patrons.
He claimed to be from Austria and the crowd roared with laughter and said the Coneheads told everyone they were from France.

Story developing…………………..

Ghost

The Coneheads were not French?

BL
BL

Ummm No. They were from the planet Remulak.

Angel
Angel

You want the truth about Canada?

You can’t handle the truth…

Gooberment is corrupt and needs to be deleted…

Click if you think you can handle the truth…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=B06m-uiz1vc

Francis Marion

The truth, eh?

Here is some truth for you.

Political power, and it is power we are talking about, has two components:

Perception & Force.

The nature of the contract is irrelevant if people are not interested in opening it up (or even acknowledging it is void in the first place) and the politicians hold the guns. You will be crushed and labeled crackpot, conspiracy theorist etc if you try to bring this to light. Even if it is true (which it likely is).

Contracts can be unwound in a few different ways – by mutual aggreement of the signers (or by having one of the parties end it), by the creation of a new ontract which voids the old, by force (also unlikely) or by collapse of the systems that are responsible for their maintenace. The fourth is the most likely in our case since public perception is that it (the contract) exists and the government’s resources and power are signfigantly larger than yours. Our stability depends largley on the stability of our neighbor to the south which isn’t great these days. The tail doesn’t wag the dog. Canada (be it legal or not) would not survive a sociopolitical collapse of the USA. As long as the US remains an entity Canada “the charade” will continue.

Stucky

This article is at 236 comments … while Admin’s 4th Turning is at 218.

This is BULLSHIT, man!!

WTF is wrong wif you peeple???

Space Junkie
Space Junkie

Green lives matter.

Maggie
Maggie

No. They don’t.

RiNS

Pretty simple Stucky

On a thread like this the bullshit reigns supreme. And this day and age there is plenty of it….

A symptom of the Universe

Stubb
Stubb

Every time I am about to read one of i forget’s posts I feel like Mike Myers is about to take the stage

i forget
i forget

Better him than Michael Myers, eh?

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