At Least My Generation Will Have Our Revenge On The Millennials

Guest Post by Kurt Schlichter

At Least My Generation Will Have Our Revenge On The Millennials

With all the awful things happening now – the discord, the anger, the stupidity – at least those of my generation can rest easy knowing that the Millennials are going to suffer after we’re gone. Sure, I’m going to die a lot sooner than them – unless someone invents some sort of expensive life extension potion that I can buy but they can’t because they will still be paying off their degrees in Oppression Studies and Virtue Signaling Arts until the year 2083. But at least I’ll know that we left them a suitably terrible world, since they are a terrible generation.

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Millennials are the spawn we deserve – annoying, posturing, and frequently pierced. They are utterly convinced of their own moral superiority, and yet they don’t even believe in morals. Well, that’s not quite true – they just confuse morals with the increasingly bizarre patchwork of taboos and fetishes of the social justice weirdos they use as their moral compasses. When you ask people, “What’s the world’s biggest problem,” and they answer, “The structural paradigm imposed by cisgender Western males,” and you reply, “How about, I dunno, ISIS?” and they answer “Well, who are we to judge their culture?” it’s slappin’ time.

We warned them to stay off our figurative lawns, and now it’s time to figuratively tackle them like Kentucky libertarians.

I was born during the last week of the Baby Boom, making me…older than the Millennials. So I straddle that useless generation and the useless one that followed. It used to be called Generation X, but no one calls it that anymore because it made no lasting impression. Obama was in my generation. We’ll never live that down. In any case, I remember when calculators were newfangled, phones were attached to walls, and Showtime was the bomb.

OK, so we dug this country $20 trillion into debt, we have a world full of enemies and a military that’s collapsing, and we saddled Millennials with Obamacare, a magical system that makes healthcare worse, but at least it costs more. Yet they seem cool with it. Oh, and politically, the country is divided as never before, at least not since Lincoln, who you Millennials think owned slaves because … sheesh, you nitwits think Lincoln owned slaves.

There was a time when liberals and conservatives didn’t segregate themselves into different bubbles and hate at each other. Recently, Time magazine ran an article about some liberal chick who dumped a guy during a date because he voted for Trump. That never would have happened years ago. Instead, they would have finished their encounter, and he would have given her a fake number so he never had to deal with her pinko nagging again.

But we seem to be losing everything that made us great. Back in the day, we crushed uppity Russian empires, no thanks to commie-hugging liberals who told us that the Reds loved their children too. You Millennials know that awful Sting song – your mom used to listen to it in the Volvo while carting you to soccer or whatever other sick, soul-killing enrichment activities she forced you into instead of letting you run free in the streets and woods like we did. But now we cower at the same losers Reagan stripped of their Ural Mountain oysters in fear of them posting some super-persuasive Facebook ads targeted at making autoworkers in Michigan fall out of their deep and abiding love for Hillary.

Yeah, we messed up, but you Millennials reading this on your smartphones, which you can see without glasses or squinting, shouldn’t act so high and mighty. You had a chance to fix all of this and instead you’ve chosen to never move out of your parents’ houses and to just sit around and invent new pronouns for genders that don’t exist. A couple decades down the road, when I’m dead from chronic bitterness and drinking too much expensive cabernet that I buy with the Social Security money you’ll be toiling to pay me, you won’t have families or careers. You’ll be my age and still making coffee for the next generation of ingrates, the children of the immigrants and super-religious Christians who represent the only portion of America still making babies. You’ll come home to your used Mitsubishi love robot named Olive, reheat some Sara Lee avocado toast sticks, and watch Saturday Night Live as it tries to make fun of President Donald Trump, Jr.

But while we’re still here together, with me owning stuff and you struggling to afford your daily kombucha smoothie, we face many shared challenges. There’s that giant debt, and there are those foreign people who want to kill us, and there is the terrifying fact that we are at each others’ throats here at home. We know how this plays out if we don’t fix it – bad for me, but super-bad for you. Maybe we should try and square things away. Maybe we should stop assuming the worst about each other, start thinking about what unites us instead of what divides us, and work together to make a better tomorrow. Maybe.

But I guess that’s kind of up to you though, because as so many of you on Twitter like to point out, I’m going to die a lot sooner than you are. And that kind of makes the future your problem.

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NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR
November 17, 2017 12:17 pm

Greetings,

The millennials are a lost generation sorta like the Beatniks or the Bobby-soxer. They will be but a footnote in history because they have yet to produce anything of value and by the time the next election comes around we are going to start seeing generation Z which, if polls are to believe, are the most conservative generation in more than 70+ years. They entirely reject everything the millennials pretend to stand for and they aren’t having any of it.

Robert (QSLV)
Robert (QSLV)
  NickelthroweR
November 17, 2017 12:53 pm

List 5 major Beatnik contributions to society………………….Ha Ha………..[img]https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.N21hYTVAi01QfB79LoPW4wEsC_&pid=15.1&P=0&w=273&h=175[/img]

Robert (QSLV)

catfish
catfish
  NickelthroweR
November 18, 2017 3:06 am

Generation Z will be welfare spawn, nignog detroit spawn, camden mongrel spawn and immigrant mexican spawn who are stupid and degenerate. They wil be fed with GM foods. Dream on Nickelthrower

Work-In-Progress
Work-In-Progress
November 17, 2017 12:19 pm

You’re right and VERY wrong. And you’re a dick. It is each generations responsibility to leave a better world for the next. Have millenials been given a better world? Did we give them better teachers? Did we raise them better by replacing daddy with welfare? Did we raise them better by making it nearly impossible to financially survive without both parents working? How about no fault divorce? You’re kind of a pompous dick. Suck on my schlinctor.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Work-In-Progress
November 17, 2017 12:40 pm

As a Boomer, I certainly wish I had been given the world the millennial kids have been given.

And I certainly would have made better use of it than most of them are.

NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR
  Work-In-Progress
November 17, 2017 2:18 pm

Greetings,

The difference between X and the Millennials is this:

Gen X is still a creative class. Most of the small business owners that I know are Gen X. Most of the people that I know that can actually build something are Gen X. Millennials couldn’t tell you the difference between a screwdriver and a tape measure.

This has absolutely nothing to do with what people believe but, instead, what people can do and it has been my experience that the millennials can’t do anything. I doubt most could change a tire.

My daughter is a Millennial and her friends and the guys she dates couldn’t pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel. If it isn’t handed to them on a silver platter then it just isn’t possible. Their smart phones make them think that they are smart but they are anything but.

Miles Long
Miles Long
  NickelthroweR
November 17, 2017 5:43 pm

“My daughter is a Millennial and her friends and the guys she dates couldn’t pour piss out of a boot…”

Why is that? Maybe because of failed parenting? My millennial daughter is doing just fine. She would likely just buy another pair of boots if someone pissed in hers & bitchslap whoever did the pissing.

Remember that when you point a finger there are 3 pointing back at you.

catfish
catfish
  Miles Long
November 18, 2017 3:14 am

Daughters marry men like their fathers. Looks like you just shot yourself in the foot.

catfish
catfish
  Work-In-Progress
November 18, 2017 3:09 am

“It is each generations responsibility to leave a better world for the next.”
Maybe, but if you’re fighting a losing battle – you burn the houses, poison the abbatoirs and leave wasteland for you enemy to inherit.

Work-In-Progress
Work-In-Progress
November 17, 2017 12:23 pm

We also gave them expensive education, exploitative employment practices, nimbysim, endless low IQ immigration, shitty government, off shoring, endless regulations making products overly expensive etc etc.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Work-In-Progress
November 17, 2017 1:54 pm

Who is this “we” of which you speak. I didn’t give them any of it.

Dutchman
Dutchman
  Work-In-Progress
November 17, 2017 2:22 pm

I didn’t vote for any of that.

digitalpennmedia
digitalpennmedia
  Work-In-Progress
November 17, 2017 5:33 pm

so.. you’re one of the enabling parents of a “precious” millennial that can do no wrong and is never at fault and has shelves of participation trophies?

figures… it was you who was the problem. Being a Gen X’er stuck between stuffy shithead boomers and whiny can do do wrong ignorantly arrogant millennials I can see exactly why 4th turnings happen in this cycle.

Wip
Wip
  digitalpennmedia
November 17, 2017 10:09 pm

Where did I say any of that you dumbass? I tell my kids to buck up and get going. Learn everything you can and take advantage of every opportunity.

Gilnut
Gilnut
November 17, 2017 12:34 pm

I think it’s cute that the author thinks SS benefits will be around a few years from now.

Here’s the real deal fellow Gen-X’rs (nobodies) we can bitch about the Boomer generation, but at least they stood for something, even if that something was themselves. X’rs did nothing, nada, zilch to change anything. If anything we polished up the shit-pie that the Boomers served up , made it pretty, and ate it with a smile on our faces. Millennials are nothing more than a perfected X’r generation, they stand for nothing substantial, they try to “go along with the program” but it’s so flat ass busted that going along is all but impossible since us X’rs sucked up all the oxygen that was left to us by the Boomers, and that wasn’t much. X’rs have become a nothing generation, hell we can’t even hold onto a definition of what the X’r generation is, how f***ing lame is that?

You reap what you sow, and we taught the Millennials everything they know. Nothing.

Diogenes
Diogenes
  Gilnut
November 17, 2017 1:09 pm

Guilty, However, I think the Boomers kinda destroyed the idealism thing, and left us with good tunes and marijuana.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
November 17, 2017 12:54 pm

I always thought Generation X was a stupid name anyway. It you can’t figure out a name that means anything, then why classify it at all?

Stucky
Stucky
November 17, 2017 1:04 pm

“No Millennials in the Millennium!”
—- Jeebus

That’s how bad they are.

Dr. S.
Dr. S.
November 17, 2017 1:07 pm

Similar things were said of the Baby Boomers by conservatives of the day (e.g. absurd dress and fashion, lazy, ignorant, morally confused, lacking direction, etc.). In turn, Gen X ers were called similar names by Boomers (Slackers, TV addicted, morally confused, etc.). I have to agree here with Work In Progress (above commentator); we left them a world that was pretty screwed up. What did we expect them to become with a lifetime spent in indoctrination centers posing as schools, handheld monitoring devices and 24/7 porn access? They had little say over their world and lives and now, we blame them for the outcome? Of course, “we” probably doesn’t include Joe Sixpack for the most part. “We” had very little to say about how we were raised. As adults, we were too busy trying keep our heads above water to spend the time needed to “fix the system”. As a tail-end Boomer / Gen X er myself, I can tell you that my life has been a series of recoveries from one economic calamity to the next. There weren’t many opportunities to make the world a better place. Our so-called “leaders” abandoned all responsibility for “We the people” and instead, engaged in House of Cards style kleptocracy and power machinations. That kleptocratic mind set is now everywhere (government, schools, police, military, media, technology, banking, culture, arts, etc.). To succeed or indeed, merely survive, you can not be so naive as to produce things of value for mutual benefit. That is now a sucker’s game. Instead, you must become a scheming, scamming, top-notch predator. You must become a vulture, feeding off the corpse of the country.

For the sake of greed and self aggrandizement, our inbred leaders, the spoiled offspring of the well-to-do, (with eager participation from those feasting off of the table scraps) carpet bombed Western civilization.

The Millenials are just the shell shocked citizens ambling though the wreckage.

Vodka
Vodka
  Dr. S.
November 17, 2017 2:12 pm

The Dr. gives the correct diagnosis.

splurge
splurge
  Dr. S.
November 17, 2017 3:23 pm

The conservatives of that long ago generation were unfortunately correct.

nkit
nkit
November 17, 2017 1:11 pm

Reagan stripped them of their “Ural Mountain oysters.” That’s good stuff, Kurt. Excellent as always.

Maggie
Maggie
  nkit
November 17, 2017 6:34 pm

Did they preserve them for long term storage?

kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
November 17, 2017 1:13 pm

Fuck this blame game; it is what it is at any given time.
Deal with it.
Go Forth and Prosper.

Work-In-Progress
Work-In-Progress

No-one is against that. But to sit in an ivory tower when you lived in completely different circumstances is pretty fucked up. No, not YOU per say. Best to point it out and fucking help/guide them.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
November 17, 2017 1:39 pm

I echo Kokoda.

You want to see a bunch of whiney GenXr’s? Go over to Vox Day’s blog. They want to hang all of the Boomers. And there is no humor in it, they just complain about how they were all raised so poorly and it’s all the fault of the boomers. At least this article was humorous, I thought it was, anyways.

I have heard two different names for generation Z , Perennials and Homelanders. Neil Strauss dubbed them Homelanders, I think.

Nick Danger
Nick Danger
  Mary Christine
November 17, 2017 8:09 pm

The BORG is probably more accurate.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
November 17, 2017 1:45 pm

Way to keep the sheople pitted against each other there Cunt Sphincter! That’ll go a long way towards fixing problems intentionally created by well-funded, outside influences like the Frankfurt School.

The problems coming home to roost today were put in motion at least FOUR generations ago. More recently the millenials had it drilled into their heads that they were ALL special and they all deserved a trophy for simply having a pulse. There were no parents around to object because both mommy and daddy were working full time + to keep their heads above water due to the insidious 24/7 effects of artificially created inflation. They were busy chasing that ever more elusive ‘Murican Dream that you really do have to be asleep to believe.

Yep, it was the boomers fault. It was the X’ers fault. It’s now the millenials fault and before too long it will be Gen Z’s fault. It was the JOOS fault. It’s the NIGGERS! It’s those evil Repulicans! It’s GUNS! Whatever it takes to keep the focus off the true enemy is what is needed.

FORWARD!!!——->to The Great Regression!

Work-In-Progress
Work-In-Progress
  IndenturedServant
November 17, 2017 2:07 pm

WOW, kickass comment.

Rob
Rob
  Work-In-Progress
November 18, 2017 1:21 am

Yeah baby…IS is on a roll tonight. I agree with Kurt and I agree with IS.

DRUD
DRUD
  IndenturedServant
November 17, 2017 2:11 pm

Fuckin-A, Bubba.

Gods Creation
Gods Creation
  IndenturedServant
November 17, 2017 2:50 pm

As led Zeppelin would say

It’s nobody’s fault but mine.

If I let other people, especially an entire generation, influence my reality as it is today, I would have no life and it would be nobody’s fault but mine.

My reality is not the fault of millennial’s, nor of the boomers or x’ers. And if I thought it was it would be nobody’s fault but mine.

I am responsible for my own life, and they for theirs. The health of the collective and it’s government is of little concern to me. It is irrelevant, and if it were relevant to me it would be nobody’s fault but mine.

I only have about 20 years left if all goes well. I am not going to waste them worrying about millennial’s or anybody else. If I can help you, I will. If you can help me, I will ask. I will live in peace and be neutral in all political matters, because they don’t matter and if they did it would be nobody’s fault but mine.

Live you life and don’t worry about anything but the now because it is all you really have.

i forget
i forget
  IndenturedServant
November 17, 2017 6:30 pm

Those mean streets of regression. I had to move away from there.

KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie
November 17, 2017 2:02 pm

I withhold judgement on my millennials until they are changing my depends and sneak me a cigarette to smoke in bed.

I imagine this has surfaced before on here but here is some musical levity on the subject.

Aodh Mor MacRaynall
Aodh Mor MacRaynall
November 17, 2017 2:40 pm

Since I’m a boomer (God I hate that fukkin term) I can speak. Let’s get some things straight; who is this royal fukkin “we” you keep talking about? Have you got somebody else in there with you? I had nothing to do with the 60’s goat-fuck. When members of the preceeding generation shot John F. Kennedy like a dog in the street, I was nine years old. I was a teen-ager when members of a certain tribe which must not be named were instigating riots and inducing the weaker members of that generation of baby-boomers to smoke pot, screw and in general act like degenerates. I never smoked pot and thought it degenerate to do so as I do today. Did I participate in other practices of that miserable generation? To the extent that I felt I needed to build a decent life for myself and my family: yes! I got an education, worked a job and even voted. For the past 25 years I’ve renounced voting. So, in what way am I culpable for this awful place where we now stand? I’ll tell you the way; I am culpable because I accepted the vertical narrative of equality, brotherhood and freedom; the vertical narrative that all we need is more education, the vertical narrative that says, you should be free to do anything you wish as long as you don’t hurt anyone else, the vertical narrative that implies that the masters of business and corporatism somehow have a moral edge on the rest of us. Shall I go on with this dreary list of tawdry premises and shabby moralisms? My culpability is that I did not have at that time the tools to call bull-shit on the entire “American experience”, so-called by the vertical narrators.
And besides, I figured, “they” will never let it get as bad as it has now gotten, given the direction in which I saw society going.

So, my point? My point is that I have renounced all those self-contradictory premises that I was fed with my mother’s milk. I am in the process of cleaning up, hardening up and girding up in every way possible. I am concerning myself with overcoming every degeneracy I can find in my own life, moral physical and spiritual. I am in the process of exerting power within the sphere of influence I have to overcome all these lies my generation was told and that I allowed to pass on to my children. My power to do this, as always, is very small. The point is that now I am actually using this power. You may be planning to die soon. I’m not. I figure I have another thirty or forty years. Not long enough to undo the damage inflicted on my generation and subsequent generations but long enough to make inroads into this degeneracy. Thirty or forty years is another career for God’s sake! I’m planning that even now. If social security is still around for the next thirty or forty years, I’m going to take every penny of it and use it for the education and training of my children and grandchildren. By the way, my family and I are already discussing how we can prevent our youngest members from going to college. So, instead of boomers sitting on their fat asses and waiting to die and instead of millennials whinging and crying about how rotten everything is, how about we stand up, kick some ass and fukkin make this world a better place. The place we must start is in our own spirits.

Pablo C.
Pablo C.
November 17, 2017 2:56 pm

This article gave me a good laugh for a Friday, thanks.

“you struggling to afford your daily kombucha smoothie”

I tried one just the other day, it tasted basically like old cider, or maybe watered down vinegar, or maybe old cider with an old gym sock, or maybe all the juice from an old gym sock, added to some old cider, and left to ferment, until it was ripe.

It was terrible.

who buys this crap?

it comes in really colorful container (makes what’s inside taste better),
or hey, you can buy a big empty growler/jug so you can re-fill it.

The best part about the kids today is, they are so damn proud of all looking the same:
hair in bun – check.
alluha akbar beard – check.
flannel shirt with cargo shorts – check.

And that what the chicks look like.

Happy Friday!!

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Pablo C.
November 17, 2017 6:36 pm

Kids want to look different so that they look like all their friends.

Gonna be some really ugly old folks fifty years from now. Those tats and piercings ain’t gonna age well.

Nick Danger
Nick Danger
  Llpoh
November 17, 2017 8:26 pm

Exactly. Those lower back butterfly tats are going to look like drooping death shrouds once they’re in the rest home. And all those macho mofo’s with the barb wire skull tats and earlobe discs are going to look pretty hilarious as they’re being pushed down to the lobby in wheelchairs to hear some one man band playing Born to be Mild while they nod off and drool after their delicious Soylent lunches.

i forget
i forget
November 17, 2017 5:17 pm

Groupthink by any other name…cohort blame is.

Max1001
Max1001
  i forget
November 17, 2017 6:18 pm

I finally figured out who this guy is-he’s Yoda!! “Look this good at 900 years old you will not.”

I am not sure that anyone will look very good at 900 years old. Saw a video on Youtube about a Chinese guy who died at the age of 242 or 262, can’t remember which one, but doesn’t really matter. Either age is kinda old. Guy’s last words were “I have done all I need to do.” I would hope so. If you can’t cross off all the items on your to-do list in 242 years, you ain’t ever getting it done.

In the 1880 photo, the guy had wrinkles on top of his wrinkles. Some of the creases in his face were so deep that there were probably little tiny villages at the bottom of each crease, with little tiny people farming the dirt that had settled at the bottom of each crease, the dirt that was so deep down that it couldn’t be reached even with the deep cleanse creams advertised on TV. Of course, the guy died in about 1880, so TV commercials weren’t available then to help him. Can’t even imagine how he would look at 900 years old.

The story said the guy, from the age of ten years, ate only Chinese herbs that he gathered in the mountains. The story listed all the herbs that he ate for sustenance. Maybe I could find some Chinese person who could help me find seeds for all those herbs, or I could move to China. I wouldn’t mind living to be 240 years old. If I did live to be that old, I don’t imagine I would care how I looked.

i forget
i forget
  Max1001
November 17, 2017 6:26 pm

May the farce be with you, too. lol….

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
November 17, 2017 5:36 pm

Wow somebodies falling into the your shit is shit but my shit is stuff trap !
Millennials were handed a bad deal and we the baby boomer bunch could have fixed it but nooooo we want cheap shit from China ! Now boomers pensions are bankrupt , jobs that pay and support families and the society are gone . The tax base support evaporated with the industry and everything turns to shit ! Then came a great idea place a majority of a generation in debt with education loans training them for jobs that don’t exist or getting a degree that won’t support a cheap apartment . But the school finance officer said how lucky they will be with the IRS as the collection agency for their debt that a counter help job will not cover . They got fucked and we let it happen to them because we did not strangle the circle jerk from Wall Street to K-Street to Capitol Street . In that circle alone there should be plenty of death penalties for Economic Treason dating back to the Vietnam era .
Yes I know there are plenty of dip shits in this generation but a lot of them know what the fuck is up and choose not to play or dance to the tune !
I called this futurama in the late 70’s and managed to hang on long enough for some sort of retirement and that was raped pillaged and plundered .
These kids know when they talk to a potential employer the pay is a joke and their is no benefits . Most working person jobs now pay so little you qualify for welfare assistance wow what a deal !
We have Great young people in America , many are doing great things but the people that would have been welders or pipefitters mill workers have no where to go and that’s the boomer generations fault and the dipshits we elected that we should have tared and feathered or hung !

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Boat Guy
November 17, 2017 6:48 pm

Boatguy – that is some dumbass shit right there. Boomers nor anyone else had anything to do with the loss of welders, pipefitters, etc.

Those jobs no longer exist because they were automated away. Plain and simple as that.

In 1900 1/2 of all workers worked in agriculture. That is now 1.5%, because of automation – tractors, harvesters, etc. wiped out those agricultural jobs.

In 1950, 1/2 of all jobs were in manufacturing. Now it is 8%. And it will keep falling.

And here is a little known fact. Manufacturing as a percentage of GDP has remained unchanged. Why? Because more is made with less. Automation.

And because GDP has remained unchanged, it proves the lie that manufacturing jobs were offshored. That did NOT happen. The imports from China, etc., are DEBT financed – ie. extra consumption without extra production. Production remains unchaned, but consumption has increased, financed via debt and purchased from overseas.

Manufacturing as a base for a high middle class standard of living was unsustainable. It was a fleeting moment in time, and was always doomed to fall to automation and productivity gains. It wil dwindle down even farther as automation gets better and better.

Get the fuck over it. People need to find other means of making a living. Manufacturing is not it. It is dying, and will die everywhere on earth. What will those billion Chinese workers do when automation takes their jobs too? Uh-oh. War maybe?

Vodka
Vodka
  Llpoh
November 17, 2017 10:24 pm

No, Llpoh, automation doesn’t explain everything. The welder and pipefitter jobs still exist. It’s just that they are now done by low-wage illegals who have flooded the country. That’s not a fair playing field.

I’m lucky to already be out of the game at only 52, but I will not pile on the criticism of the younger generations.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
  Vodka
November 18, 2017 12:27 am

Vodka , I jumped ship in 84 and took my skills and training to large custom yacht service generators air conditioning and refer systems . Made it to 58 and got hit with a major health slow down . Got lucky with some millenals in modern health care . Llpoh misses the point about heavy industry and the number of jobs it supported . I have a good friend who sold high quality hydraulic fittings well machined top shelf stuff we meet for lunch once a month Chi .Com fittings put him in the retirement bin too

Vodka
Vodka
  Boat Guy
November 18, 2017 1:16 am

Boat Guy, you are one of my favorite commenters here. One of the few who speaks the truth about the real plite of blue-collar workers.

Keep commenting, don’t be intimidated, and always kick those who need it in the balls.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
  Llpoh
November 18, 2017 12:14 am

Llpoh you obviously did not work and train in heavy industrial steel construction . I worked 11 years in a shipyard building 700 foot long frozen food carriers , tunnel sections , oil rigs 5 120,000 ton oil tankers and one 265,000 ton oil tanker and it took 3,500 plus men working 3 shifts to build all that . Now hit me with we were all overpaid . So you think so a policeman fireman school teacher State or federal employee are all overpaid now and do not deserve there salaries and benefits . Automation does not rig a 70 inch boring machine to set perfect to punch the shaft alley in these ships or mill the heat shields for the Apollo missions , the only place on this side of the planet that could do it . We never lost a man on re-entry . I was trained by men who were proud of that fact the shields had to be perfect . Automation does not regulate a 250 ton section of a ship within a fraction of an inch to weld it and all the components or run and connect 1 MILLON miles of electrical cable . We were steel men then and our own government sold us out . Automation may have taken some jobs and created others but I know American industry was screwed out of existance and you do to . The tax base eroded and what do you know schools underfunded , police retirement funds bankrupting all around the old rust belt . You keep believing what you want , I know better !

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Boat Guy
November 18, 2017 3:40 am

Boatguy – you would be AMAZED at what automation can do. I have run manufacturing facilities my entire working life. You simply do not know what you are talking about.

Re the comment Vodka made about the skilled trades being taken up buy illegals at low wages – that is bullshit. Prove it. Post a study showing it is true. Good luck with that.

Welders, etc. have been automated nearly out of existence. Still some need for specialists. But robots weld anything of volume these days – faster, more accurately, etc.

Oh, by the way, Boatguy, you guys were massively overpaid. That is why the companies went under. Funny how when a company pays far beyond the market, the market rears up and eats it.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
  Llpoh
November 18, 2017 2:31 pm

Llpoh you keep believing what you will , that was the narrative that all the trades people were overpaid and competition and automation pushed them out of work . I would agree to a small percentage that could be true but not the 100’s of thousands of jobs that were pushed out .
The overpaid line and the legacy cost sounds good out of the likes of Limbaugh or Hannity yet out of the other side of their mouth they claim you and police are worth their legacy costs and pay as I said before you are in the trap YOUR SHIT IS SHIT BUT MY SHIT IS STUFF !
Many who speak as you do about the plight of working people are either lucky to have never been hit with financial hardships or you were born on third base but talk shit like you hit a home run !

KaD
KaD
  Boat Guy
November 17, 2017 7:11 pm

If they weren’t dancing to the tune they wouldn’t have taken all the debt out on worthless degrees. They aren’t ‘doing great things’ unless you call Antifa and virtue signalling ‘great things’.

Maggie
Maggie
November 17, 2017 6:44 pm

I whelped a Millennial. Didn’t mean to and he’s less toxic than most, having been reared by me, Maggie of Sunnybrook Farm. But he gets the Millennial mindset through and through when he is around his peers. Even in nerd world aka Computer Engineering Programs.

KaD
KaD
November 17, 2017 6:55 pm

I have a millennial coworker-I’d like to strangle the bitch. I’ve never seen anyone so young so stuck up, spoiled and snotty. She thinks if she bent over so the world could kiss her ass she’d be doing the world a favor. Well I got a show at work and didn’t have to pay for it. She went
apeshit on OUR BOSS about how he thinks realtors are stupid, she
has friends that are realtors, she’s ‘offended’. Holy ***. I could
not believe it! And her boss Joe was the BEST BOSS in the world and
well, he’s just NOT JOE. I would have fired her ass. Here’s an idea-if
you think JOE is so great take your ass back to Portland and go work
for JOE. WTF was she thinking? Since when do you get to tell your boss
what to do or anyone what opinion they’re allowed to have? Yes, he has his faults BUT he is generous to us- we got
hired for $3 hour more than his last employees, got a raise already, and
he buys us drinks and lunch, and we get an extra $100 if we do more
than 30 reports in a month and another $100 for every field report. And she thinks she’s a ‘nice person’.
WOW. Just unbelievable.

Did I mention she insulted me to my face? The next morning she was still raving like a lunatic. I told her to settle the F down it wasn’t worth getting fired for. She told me that the only reason I wasn’t standing up to the boss was because I have no moral fiber and I was just kissing his ass for a paycheck. You don’t get to say that to me and pretend like we’re buddies. I would have retorted but I think the cops would have been called.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  KaD
November 17, 2017 7:05 pm

KaD – and hence why I would rather hammer my nuts with a brick than hire people. A certain percentage behaves as you describe, and it is not small.

Further, all employees are a problem sometimes. All you have to do is say no, to even the most unreasonable request (“Boss, I want a year’s paid vacation because I am a great employee!” “No”.) and you now have a problem employee.

Give me a robot any day.

Max1001
Max1001
  Llpoh
November 17, 2017 7:56 pm

I dunno ’bout the robot solution to the employee problem. Gotta hire someone to program the robot, lube, maintain, and repair the robot. More problems.

I love the idea of CNC machines. Program it once, prove the program, then run the machine 16 hours a day, with the remaining 8 hours for daily maintenance and other chores. Really spiffy, if you can buy an auto loader for the machine, and some kind of built-in alarm if a cutting bit needs changing, or a sprayer quits spraying.

CNC or easily programmable robots are great for a one-man or mom-and-pop business operating in a garage-workshop next to the house in a small town. Not too many bureaucrats in a rural county, like mine, to bother a guy who is just trying to make a living for himself and his family. I believe that micro-businesses are the wave of the future both now and later in what will remain, once the DSSA collapses.

The biggest problem comes when the controller quits, the repairman takes days to arrive, then announces that the part needed must be back-ordered from Japan, or Korea, and has no idea when the part will arrive. In some industrial sectors, a person can buy American made machines, but in other sectors, the machine buyer is SOL.

Of course, there are other problems to consider. If you refuse vacation to the robot, he might say, “I’ll be baaack”, leave, and later return with a bunch of automatic weapons to shoot-up the place. Although, I have dealt with some human co-workers that were so unpleasant that dealing with someone like them again would be way worse than hiding under a desk while a robot shoots-up the place.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Max1001
November 17, 2017 8:02 pm

Max – CNC, etc., are really just basic robots. And robots are being created that tend to the needs of other robots. Etc.

Good luck with your endeavour.

KaD
KaD
  Llpoh
November 18, 2017 10:32 am

And yet he has his nose squarely up her ass. He implies that he thinks about her like a recycled daughter since his kids are all out of state, he even took her on a rafting trip. Then yesterday my boss ran out after getting a call that his son was in a bad accident (he’s okay), and while he’s rushing out the door he’s apologizing to Princess Bitchly about tossing things around in case it upset her. I felt like saying “Are you sure you don’t want her to bend over so you can kiss her ass a few times too?” Maybe some guys like the shit treatment or he really wants to screw her, though she’s not much to look at. You’d think someone would be glad to have an appreciative smart and hardworking employee but I guess not.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  KaD
November 18, 2017 1:18 am

“She thinks if she bent over so the world could kiss her ass she’d be doing the world a favor. ”

Your conclusion is what I finally decided to do in my own workplace, ignore the bitch.

KaD
KaD
  EL Coyote
November 18, 2017 10:33 am

I do, and no one can ignore someone they can’t stand better than I can!

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
November 17, 2017 7:59 pm

Pensions come in all sorts of shapes, sizes and problems – from the pensions churches pay their clergy, the public employee pensions and the private industrial pensions. ZIRP kills them all.
Oh, there were problems from before – back in the 1980s, there was a wave of M&A activity that featured raiding pension funds. It was as if the horrible inflation rates of the 1970s had become normalized – well, almost. I had an 18% mortgage in the 1980s, and walked it back down before five years passed. But the M&A MBAs seemed to think high interest rates would last forever, and used that as an excuse. See, in their parlance, those pension funds were “over-capitalized”; they had more contributions that were needed to fund the obligations (pension payouts) USING 1980s INTEREST RATES ASSUMPTIONS. Of course, we do not have 1980s interest rates now, and haven’t for most of the last two decades or more – but those 1980s MBAs sure got their fees, and how! We should look into who got how much from those merger agreements, and take it back plus interest for two decades or more – they guessed wrong, and used it to screw us, and should be held responsible for THEFT. And fiduciary mismanagement.
Another problem is the public pensions, which were not reasonable assumptions at ANY interest rate, and cannot be sustained. The politicians who negotiated them should be stripped of all assets.
But NO pension survives in a ZIRP environment. That’s the FED’s fault, and THEY should be hung from lampposts for it.
Anyone else I missed?
But we are now faced with a hostile government / MIC complex that cannot be sustained either. The country was against TARP and the banker bailouts, but the pols voted for it anyway, instead of taking the financial breakdown, getting over it and liquidating Goldman Sachs / JP Morgan Chase and all the rest; now a BIGGER financial breakdown is in the cards, because of their spinelessness.
Grab yourself some popcorn, it’s gonna be a big one ….

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
  james the deplorable wanderer
November 18, 2017 12:36 am

James there were no mistakes underfunding pensions the “THEY” bunch knew exactly what they were doing

wholy1
wholy1
November 17, 2017 8:42 pm

Enough comic relief – and cynicism – to last SEVERAL days. THX.
As a FIRST-year “boomer” (’46) when the violent mass blood letting and carnage was replaced with ejaculate during mass divine co-minglings of [returning war vet] Man to [waiting] wo[mb]Man; now at 71+, after experiencing war “up close and personal” in ‘Nam followed by a couple of years of int’l careening – pretty-much ripped to the tits 24/7, culminating in 5 years at BangKwang, Thailand’s notorious maximum security prison, I am now increasingly mollified daily by the thought of being “a little closer to Home”. Considering the “State” of absolutely blatant and pervasive “official” criminality, corp-owned media propaganda, corp/gov-controlled lib-turd academic cry-bullying, AI killer drones/robots, cyber and space weaponry, brain chips, etc, I hope the “almighty Author/Lord” has already “checked me out” – as Jim Morrison was purported to have once not-so-eloquently stated, ” . . . before the whole sh*t-house goes up in flames”, and the radioactive ash begins to settle.
Yup, the “Quickening” gets more exciting/out-of-control daily and at some not-yet-known triggering inflection point/critical mass moment, entropy will no longer be forestalled/denied. Ya’ll best be getting the HELLo away from those “coasters”, “citYzens”, nuke plants and GROUNDed on a portion of inland, elevated, RURAL, arable, UN-encumbered/UN-addressed county dirt. Get GATHERed, GUNned, GARDENed, PROVISIONed and . . . S-I-M-P-L-I-F-I-E-D! The “Blessings from the Beginning” are revealed and thereby accessible to the faithfully repentING/REDEEMed/GATHERing RemnantS, fulfilled in daily fellowship of collaborative PRODUCTIVE enterprise and the opportunity to assist/gather other repentING in greater need. And as such . . . relieved, humbled and thankful for sight of One’s salvation BEFORE having – unknowingly – “run out One’s clock”. Hoo-wah!

xrugger
xrugger
November 17, 2017 9:45 pm

So, I stopped into Wendy’s after work for my bi-weekly #4 combo (baconator, fries, and a Dr. Pepper). Not a single thing in that meal that’s good for me but it’s a taste treat and…wha..evah, wha..evah.. I do what I want!

In line ahead of me were an attractive young lady and two…oh what the heck…let’s call them young men. She was obviously calling the shots in whatever weird sort of ménage-a-twat they had going. Beta orbiters in the extreme, the two were mincing around and giggling like the most flaming rubber-wristed poofters one can imagine. It was not only embarrassing to watch, it made me genuinely angry to contemplate what had taken place in their childhood that had brought into being the two androgynous disasters to which I was an unwilling witness.

As my gorge rose, I almost decided to forego my meal and retreat to the smell of sweat and tools in my truck so as to get the pungent odor of estrogen and axe body spray out of my flaring nostrils but, after all, we’re talking about bacon and cheese here, so I fought through it.

As I was driving home pondering what kind of culture produces “males” of this sort (keep in mind, this encounter took place in Montana, not in some lefty urban enclave), I realized I had just witnessed a visual example of one of the root causes of our national decline. Men and women are increasingly taking on the roles and mannerisms of the opposite sex. Teaching women and girls the lie that they can do anything men can do is bad enough, but it is the feminization of men that is truly destroying this nation.

This feminization and role reversal is reaching its apogee in the millennial generation and, God help us, this is the prancing cohort that must bear the brunt of this fourth turning. I fear they are not up to the task ahead.

TreeFarmer
TreeFarmer
  xrugger
November 18, 2017 8:53 am

In Montana? That’s depressing. We wouldn’t tolerate that type of behavior in Idaho.

Truther
Truther
November 18, 2017 11:02 am

I won’t call the author a dick, but I will say when you yourself and your generation creates a Frankenstein you have no right to bitch about its Frankenstein actions….typical “generation me” think. The boomers were the most self indulgent, selfish, egotistical, money focused, pricks on earth in the history of the earth, thanks for fuckin everything up. I fully expected them to blame everyone else, just like Hillary. I’m Gen x, 3 months of college and made over $5m last 10 years as a professional in investment management firms, never divorced, 3 great kids (not snowflakes at all), willing to die on my feet and not live on my knees, able to back up and defend what I say, a book author and definitive expert on a financial subject that sold in 41 countries……fuck the boomers. I blame them not the millenials….

Dr. S.
Dr. S.
November 18, 2017 11:58 am

I read TBP regularly. I read lots of stuff from far left to far right. So, I realize that TBP tends toward the libertarian, pro-capitalist perspective. Nonetheless, I’m going to go out o a limb here.

Marx said that the system of capitalism has sown within it, the seeds of its own destruction. Capitalism, as it expands, requires the seeking out and exploitation of new markets. One of the drivers of this expansion is technology. Thus, in the 1930’s there wasn’t anything that we might easily identify as “teen culture”. Just look at the clothing. Kids pretty much dressed like mini-adults. They listened to adult music, ate adult food, watched adults films, etc. Then, during the post war 1950’s, technologies such as the television and telephone became ubiquitous. These technologies allowed for the direct marketing of products and “alternative teen lifestyles” to youth. Another “voice” was now competing against traditional values in the home. All of a sudden, teens were yapping away on the telephone, out of ear shot of adults. They were watching television programs, designed by corporations, for their particular consumption. They were being sold clothes that were designated as “fashion” for teens. They were being catered to, by corporations, as a distinct demographic. The key to this marketing was to sow the seeds of rebellion. If you dressed and acted like your elders, you were a “square”. To be “hip” was to rebel, to promote anti-adult (and thereby, anti-establishment) values. The music of the downtrodden (negro music) became “hip”. The clothing of the rebels (black leather biker jackets – stemming from the Nazi jackets of WW2) and denim jeans (previously worn only by the frowned upon laboring class) became hip. Anti-establishment, pro-communist views became “fashion”.

The severing of youth from their parents presented capitalism with new opportunities and new markets. The faster the old values could be altered or chucked altogether, the faster the profits rolled in. Long term social repercussions were not within the purview of the profit motive. The values that were required to promote social stability and good responsible citizenship were replaced by an ever accelerating cycle of pop consumerism. Now, for the most part, consumerism IS culture. The never ending creation and exploitation of new markets has resulted in the devastation of the very basis of those markets. The American people are now products – and like most other products of late stage capitalism – they have become interchangeable and disposable.

And…. as Marx predicted all those years ago, capitalism is now consuming itself.

What I fear is coming to replace it, is a form of neo-feudalism and with that, a new dark age.