Stucky QOTD: Biblical Truth

I will be submitting   a serious and respectful article this Sunday titled— “Ten Bible Truths For All People (even atheists) To Live By To Make America Great Again”

I will make Truth #10 one that is submitted by a TBPer. Of course, you will be given full credit. I will make the choice based on how it fits with the theme as expressed in the title. However, I will give much consideration to the post receiving the most votes

Q1: What is your favorite Bible truth …. preferably one that could help make America great again?

Q2: Can you suggest a better title? (I don’t want to piss off Maggie.)

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Author: Stucky

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Maggie
Maggie
November 30, 2017 8:37 am

Okay, I have seen and responded to the call. Editing of First Comment ongoing for an hour or until my husband rises and wants some eggs.

Let me get this straight, Stucky. You want to entire body of the Bible condensed into ten truths? Or do you just want to select those truths which might help this country become a nation of honest citizens trying to live peaceably in the world?

But, if you are wanting the MAGA truths, you are going to need to clarify what exactly “great again” means.

There is a site I like to visit when I’m in a sermonizing mood. https://www.biblegateway.com/ where I can type in any term and choose the Bible version I want to cite or read tells me exactly what I need to know.

There are 224 places in the Authorized (by whom) King James version of the Bible that have the word “truth” in the text. Is that the kind of Truth we are after?

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If you choose the NIV version, there are a LOT FEWER references to TRUTH, only 137.

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How can we distill that to TEN?

Truth is supposed to set us free, Stucky, in and of itself. What the hell does that mean?

The reason I poke fun at your titles is you are so OBVIOUSLY trying to poke fun at people’s ability to be offended by words. How can a person be offended by a “word.” Unless the Lord Jesus Christ really does come into being by God’s Word.

What is Truth? It is that quality of a thing that makes it have meaning. In the discussion about the Light and the Darkness I started with my husband yesterday (he had a near-death experience as a kid and he LOVES this topic for a short time), I asked him if he ever felt as if he DREAMED the whole thing and that he really did NOT leave his body as a conscious entity. He said that sometimes he thinks that is possible, yet he could SEE himself and his attacker and the sensation of moving down a tunnel toward “something” in the light was strong.

Yet, sometimes he thinks he may have dreamed it.

What is the truth?

I hate this laptop. Dammit. Do I want to go get on the REAL computer?

Ecclesiastes 3 New International Version (NIV)
A Time for Everything

3 There is a time for everything,
    and a season for every activity under the heavens:

12 I know that there is nothing better for people than to be happy and to do good while they live. 13 That each of them may eat and drink, and find satisfaction in all their toil

15 Whatever is has already been,
    and what will be has been before;
    and God will call the past to account.

18 I also said to myself, “As for humans, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. 19 Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath[c]; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. 20 All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows if the human spirit rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?”

22 So I saw that there is nothing better for a person than to enjoy their work, because that is their lot. For who can bring them to see what will happen after them?

So, I cleaned it up a bit.

Here’s my “favorite” truth from the Bible.

15 Whatever is has already been,
    and what will be has been before;
    and God will call the past to account.

In the year of twenty seventeen, there is not any thing ongoing in the world of mankind that has not happened before. That those events came to their natural end in history is proof that our feeble attempts to control God’s creation will come to their natural end. God does not care if America is Great Again, nor does he care if it ever was Great or just a New Experiment in Self-Government that worked until the whole land mass was full of self-interested bastards out to steal their neighbor’s stuff via government control. What are taxes if not the way government takes our stuff to redistribute it?

So, distilling that into ONE TRUTH to contribute.

There is NOTHING mankind can or will do that is not already within God’s knowledge. America, as a country, does NOT MATTER to God.

How’s that for hard truth?

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
November 30, 2017 9:20 am

Okay… I have had my coffee and awakened. Let me clean that up.

AWB
AWB
  Maggie
December 1, 2017 8:37 am

Don’t you mean, clean yourself up?

Rob
Rob
  Maggie
November 30, 2017 1:34 pm

There isn’t even one truth in the bible. Not one truth in the koran. Not one truth in the torah. But have fun with the undertaking.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
November 30, 2017 5:16 pm

Rob didn’t just screw the pooch on this one, he dropped the soap.
EC

AWB
AWB
  Anonymous
December 1, 2017 8:38 am

Leave it to Anon to carry stukfuk’s water. You’re not even good at it.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Rob
November 30, 2017 6:13 pm

Retard. The Torah is the 1st 5 books of the Bible.

AWB
AWB
  Anonymous
December 1, 2017 8:41 am

Actually, I didn’t know that, thanks!

Lucia W.
Lucia W.
November 30, 2017 8:38 am

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

I know it is in direct opposition to the current “scienciness”, but this is what first sprang to mind.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Lucia W.
November 30, 2017 10:06 am

Deuteronomy 23:1 should be in the top ten.

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
December 1, 2017 1:49 pm

There’s one somewhere about spilling one’s seed. Just sayin.

Tom S.
Tom S.
November 30, 2017 8:38 am

My favorite verse is Ecclesiastes 9:10:

“Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.”

To me, THAT represents the attitude to make America great again. It’s also how my father lived his life, how I have tried to live mine, and what I’m trying to teach my children.

Maggie
Maggie
  Tom S.
November 30, 2017 9:18 am

I am an Ecclesiastes fan.

The Bible
The Bible
  Maggie
November 30, 2017 9:54 pm
AWB
AWB
  Maggie
December 1, 2017 8:41 am

Same, and Job.

Wip
Wip
November 30, 2017 8:41 am

Q1: Honesty. Anything the bible says about truth. I believe this is the most important. What can we do if we don’t know the truth of a thing? Run around in circles.
Q2: I like your title.

Maggie
Maggie
  Wip
November 30, 2017 9:39 am

Stucky is being overly sensitive… I poked fun at ONE title ONE time and now he’s gotta make it seem like I’m a title tyrant.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Maggie
November 30, 2017 9:54 am

Maybe in his mind you are.

Maggie
Maggie
  Anonymous
November 30, 2017 10:14 am

Ah… the thought of Stucky wondering if his title is “Maggie Worthy” is fun.

Tim
Tim
November 30, 2017 8:53 am

Something Jesus said to the Pharisees:

You tie up all these heavy loads and place on these poor bastards’ backs to carry the load, but you’re too fucking lazy to help them out.

Also, Jesus said this: You need to take the log out of your own eye before you look at the speck in your neighbors’ eye. I think Hank, Jr. said this best, when he sang, ‘Cause if you mind your business, then you won’t be mindin’ mine.

musket
musket
November 30, 2017 8:55 am

Stucky is that you? Have you really gone “biblical” on us?

AWB
AWB
  Stucky
December 1, 2017 8:42 am

the verse about being luke warm comes to mind.

Dutchman
Dutchman
November 30, 2017 8:58 am

I read somewhere in the bible that “Apricot Brandy is the best panty remover”. It really does work!

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Dutchman
November 30, 2017 10:08 am

I’m buying some today.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Iska Waran
November 30, 2017 10:22 am

Going to BevMore anybody need anything, Apricot Brandy?
EC

Maggie
Maggie
  Anonymous
December 1, 2017 1:53 pm

I picked up a bottle of Kahlua.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Dutchman
November 30, 2017 2:03 pm

I really can’t imagine a situation where you’d need to remove them from the wall, toilet seat or banister. Wouldn’t paint thinner work just as well?
EC

flash
flash
November 30, 2017 9:04 am

Just dropped by and here I see you still keeping the faith Stuck. Glad of it.
Like the Romper Room toy , you may weeble and wobble , but you never fall down.
Kudos to you.

My pick . #1 truth . This time it is never different.

Ecclesiastes 1:9

What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

Maggie
Maggie
  flash
November 30, 2017 9:40 am

I distilled my original comment (to get first dibs) down to that as well… but a different “version.”

BL
BL
  flash
November 30, 2017 11:18 am

Excellent Flash but how does that make America great (AGAIN)? tRUMP said he would MAGA, should we not just sit back and let him do this? So far the pussy grabbers are on the run.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  BL
November 30, 2017 2:35 pm

The following Newscaster, Daytime TV show, Radio Personality, Political Pundit or Movie Producer has been rated PG for inappropriate touching and sexual assault.
EC

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
November 30, 2017 9:10 am

Ecclesiastes is the wellspring for Truths.

“To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven”

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  hardscrabble farmer
November 30, 2017 10:11 am

I like Sirach. Practical instructions. “Those who honor their father atone for sins.” Sirach 3:3.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Iska Waran
November 30, 2017 2:40 pm

I prefer Tapatio 3.0 “May cause interstellar hallucinations in the bathroom.”
EC

Maggie
Maggie
  hardscrabble farmer
November 30, 2017 10:22 am

Sometimes, there’s a gem of “truth” in Proverbs.
Proverbs 25:27 
It is not good to eat too much honey,
    nor is it honorable to search out matters that are too deep.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Maggie
November 30, 2017 10:26 am

“nor is it honorable to search out matters that are too deep”

reference please, Magita.

More Proverbs of Solomon
These also are proverbs of Solomon which the men of Hezekiah, king of Judah, transcribed. 2It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.

Maggie
Maggie
  Anonymous
December 1, 2017 8:30 am

Actually, I was trying to find a way to let HSF know I have not gotten any maple syrup yet and have had to resort to using HONEY. As for matters that are too deep?

I’m treading water here in the memory pits of my wasted youth. Yesterday, I sat in a restaurant that was BUILT when I was visiting from Houston oil refinery segment of life and just turned 21 back in 1983. I felt a serious disconnect with my view of the world NOW compared to the view I could see darkly through glass sitting in the same position under the same Jack Daniels Sign from 35 years ago. (Photo to come… let me go get my camera and come back).

I do not feel like I am the same person because all of my life experiences have changed me from that young woman. How is it that so many of the people we know never change? Why don’t people learn from life’s hardships? Are we forced to either choose the Light or avoid the Light at some final point?

javelin
javelin
  hardscrabble farmer
November 30, 2017 3:57 pm

HSF– I thought of all the hard work you do and came up with this verse—

2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

Ken
Ken
November 30, 2017 9:34 am

I am partial to Romans 13: 8-10 for making America, or any land or people, great again. It doesn’t take even 10 if we get this one right.

[Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.]

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Ken
November 30, 2017 10:04 am

Rom 13:13-14 Let us live decently, as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and licentiousness, not in strife and jealousy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ and do not make provision for the desires of the flesh. -LEB

FWIW, this is not easy to do. Being a Christian is not an easy thing since it goes against the nature and desires of fallen man.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Ken
November 30, 2017 10:13 am

MAGA: Ezekiel 22:30 “I looked for someone among them who would build up the Wall…”

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Iska Waran
November 30, 2017 2:42 pm

Like the wall will lead to more prosperity.
EC

https://youtu.be/YtYdjbpBk6A

Diogenes
Diogenes
November 30, 2017 9:46 am

Matthew 4:8-9
Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

Truth :If you worship the devil he will bring you “material riches” in this “material world”
Kinda explains the attitudes of TPTB

TJF
TJF
November 30, 2017 9:57 am

Luke 6:31 – Do to others as you would have them do to you.

John 8:7 – He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

And finally after all the turning of the other cheek only gets you punched on both sides of your face there is always this:

Exodus 21:24 – Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 30, 2017 10:15 am

MAGA, she said. Mags inspired Title: Ten Totally Titillating Truths of the Torah and New Testament for Theistic Thought at Teatime
EC

Maggie
Maggie
  Anonymous
November 30, 2017 10:26 am

Nice try.

I prefer Truths for Our Time: Biblical axioms to help survive Man’s inhumanity to Man.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
November 30, 2017 11:40 am

There T.O.s or Manuals, not textbooks.

Maggie
Maggie
  Anonymous
December 1, 2017 2:00 pm

I was the technical writer who turned Lesson Plans and Trainee Guides for IQT (Initial Qualification Training) into Power Point presentation and written study guides for students in training to be aircrew members. Mostly radar and computer, but other stuff too. Even some double dog secret Weapons Systems training.

BeeUrSelf
BeeUrSelf
November 30, 2017 10:39 am

Self-responsibility.

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 30, 2017 10:46 am

MAGA, she said. Mags inspired Title: Ten Totally Titillating Truths for Our Time from the Torah, The Old and The New Testament for Theistic Thought at Teatime; Biblical axioms to help survive the Man’s inhumanity to Women
EC

Maggie
Maggie
  Anonymous
December 1, 2017 8:21 am

What the HELL did I miss here yesterday? I had to go to Cape Girardeau and do some real shopping and I had lunch with a friend at an old style deli that was trendy in that little college town when I was in college. Honest to GOD, I had a flashback kind of lunch with my friend and I ordered a sandwich I liked there in 1983. Well, it looked and tasted NOTHING like it did in 1983 and it came with dark orange sweet potatoe fries, which no one in their right mind would have served with a sandwich in 1983. And, there was a little tub of warm mayonaisse with a tub of pickles on the side. I’m feeling ill just remembering.

Suffice to say, by the time I got home I thought I was going to die. I barely got into the basement level door before I started peeling off my clothes. I use a lot of herbal oils in my home and to keep bugs and pests off me in the woods without being toxic. So, imbibing a bacteria that is multiplying at the rate of, well, salmonella in mayonaisse, was making my intestinal tract HURT and my system was trying to SWEAT it out. I really did change my dietary habits this year and eating something like that greasy cheesy mess at lunch along with probably tainted mayo was bad news indeed. May I never consume another meat item at a restaurant again.

Tim
Tim
  Stucky
November 30, 2017 5:11 pm

But He did call them “those poor bastards” right?

Also, I’m not tracking all the thumbs from the entire post, but I see I’ve gained another since your last tally!

Oldtoad of Green Acres
Oldtoad of Green Acres
November 30, 2017 11:11 am

John 11:35
Jesus wept.

KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie
  Oldtoad of Green Acres
November 30, 2017 3:22 pm

Beat me to it. The question is, Why did he weep?

BL
BL
November 30, 2017 11:23 am

Don’t the TEN COMMANDMENTS cover most of the things that would MAGA?

Uncola
Uncola
November 30, 2017 11:47 am

Without looking up the exact verse – the part that says: Love covers a multitude of sins.

Your title works for me.

billyb0b
billyb0b
November 30, 2017 11:59 am

I don’t know what this old book means. Nor even why it exists at all. But parts of it speak to me. Could these be truths trying to work their way into my feeble mind?

If we really want to MAGA – we need to return to work having value in and of itself. It must not be optional. It must be productive. These verses all equate work to the ability to eat – something most of us consider to be of great importance.

2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order:
if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either.

1 Timothy 5:8
But if anyone does not provide for his own,
and especially for those of his household,
he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

Genesis 3:19
By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food
until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken;
for dust you are and to dust you will return.

doug
doug
November 30, 2017 12:16 pm

Golden Rule.

catfish
catfish
November 30, 2017 12:18 pm

2 Thessalonians 3:10
“For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order:
if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either.”

All very well – but it aint realiity.
If anyone is not willing to work, they can vote for us and we’ll steal from those that do.

That’s why my faith in God aint what it should be – or does He compensate?

Would be grateful for answers – thanks.

billyb0b
billyb0b
  catfish
November 30, 2017 12:39 pm

No answers – just more questions…

Could that verse be a warning to those that refuse to work AND to those of us who are being compelled to feed them?

Perhaps the very act of feeding those that will not work is a sin against our fellow man (even though it is forced thru threat of violence by our betters in a benevolent government)?

Our support reinforces their undesirable behavior?

*** note – it says ‘refuse’ to work, not ‘unable’ to work.

catfish
catfish
  billyb0b
November 30, 2017 3:55 pm

So billybob if I stop working so as not to feed others then I do not eat!
If I work it could be a sin in your eyes, because it is a sin against a fellow man to feed him when he does not work.
If I work and do not feed others I get kidnapped and banged up in some sodomite-infested cage.

Great world I was forced into eh?
No way out! Except death!
Ah well – at least that is certain – good news!

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  billyb0b
November 30, 2017 9:48 pm

billybob, a couple of comments:
human beings are encouraged in their behavior, you are talking about operant conditioning with regard to behavior modification using rewards or punishment as reinforcement. I don’t think these fools would change if punished and they already don’t know how to work for a reward. They well know a free handout when they see one.

Now, I’m no technical writer but I believe the use of asterisks is a way of linking a line in the text to a footnote. Some people use small letters in alphabetical sequence. When it’s only one or two notes, they might use one asterisk for note one and two asterisks for note two. If it’s only one note, they simply say, see note below and they do not use an asterisk.

Maggie
Maggie
  EL Coyote
December 1, 2017 2:04 pm

You are correct, sir, in your stylistic assessment of footnoting. I am indeed a skilled Tech Writer who once upon a time was paid upwards of $40 an hour to Tech Write shit.

DRUD
DRUD
November 30, 2017 12:32 pm

The best truths are not facts, as so many so often contend, but ideas…which are lenses through which to view the world.

A perfect example is the Jeffersonian ideal: “The government is best which governs least.” We can debate minutia of history, the men who made it, what their motives were, etc, ad infinitum, but when viewing government, this statement is all we really need. If we hold it up and examine all things government through it, we will almost always arrive at the truest answer.

With the Bible, I believe this is all we truly need:

“If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.”

So what is love: Fortunately, the bible also provides a near perfect definition:

“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.”

Penforce
Penforce
November 30, 2017 12:35 pm

God’s dilemma v. 4. Make them stupid and boring or intelligent, which would quickly manifest to obnoxious, then dangerous.
Chapter two. How God chooses his shoes.

ditchner
ditchner
November 30, 2017 12:50 pm

Jesus said “I am the truth”. Also, the word is the truth and the law is the truth.

The moral law, the covenant which was/is contained in the arc of the covenant, AKA the ten commandments is the eternal law. Enoch, Moses, and Abraham lived it long before Sinai. John saw it in the heavenly tabernacle which he spoke of in Revelation. This means, of course, that the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday) which God blessed and sanctified is still the Holy day which we all should be resting on. That is the truth!

Diogenes
Diogenes
  ditchner
November 30, 2017 3:04 pm

” Enoch, Moses, and Abraham lived it long before Sinai”
If memory serves me, Abraham comitted adultery with his maidservant and that is a violation of one of the ten commandments. It amuses me when a “Christian” kisses Jewish ass.

Ditchner'
Ditchner'
  Diogenes
December 1, 2017 2:06 pm

1. Only Jesus was able to keep the commandments perfectly. God blessed Abraham and imputed righteousness to him based upon his faith long after he sent Hagar and Ishmael packing. If God considered Abraham righteous, that’s good enough for me.

2. Abraham lived long before there were any Jews on the planet. Only a small minority of Abraham’s descendants (numbered as the sands or the stars) became Jews. You can check that out in the Bible, specifically 2Kings:16

“For to you (Isaac) and your descendants I will give all these lands and will confirm the oath I swore to your father Abraham. I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because Abraham obeyed me and did everything I required of him, keeping my commands, my decrees and my instructions.” Genesis 26

Edwitness
Edwitness
  Ditchner'
December 1, 2017 3:11 pm

1. There are several examples of people who kept the law perfectly other than Jesus. Paul said of himself that he kept it blamelessly. Phil.3:6
Luke said that Zechariah and Elizabeth did as well in Luke 1:6. This means that the keeping of the law perfectly has only to do with being an Israelite and not with how Jesus was able to save us.

2. You are absolutely correct about Abraham:-)

Blessings:-}

Edwitness
Edwitness
  Stucky
December 1, 2017 7:07 pm

//So, when Paul said that “there is none righteous, no not one” …. he exempted himself?//
He didn’t need to exempt himself. Because he spoke of the righteousness that comes through the law. But, there is another that comes by the faith of Christ. And this righteousness that comes through the faith of Christ could not be accessed through the keeping of the law.
This is why after saying he kept the law blamelessly in vs.6 he said “But what things were gain to me(the righteousness he had through keeping the law), those I counted loss for Christ.
Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:”
Phil.3:7-9
What he counted as “dung” and “loss” was the righteousness that is attained through blameless law keeping. He considered this loss because only the righteousness that is by the faith of Christ can give eternal life.
Which is also why he said “Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law(this expresses the fact that the righteousness of faith can not be attained through law keeping). But the scripture hath concluded all under sin(reference John16:9), that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.” Gal.3:21-23
Did you know the Bible teaches there was a time that was before faith came? You do now. This was during the time that Israel was under the law. When He came to earth as a man Jesus showed them how to know God by faith alone. And His death removed the law that had shut them up to this faith that is the only way to eternal life. Heb.9:15 and 10:9
None being righteous means that none until Jesus came ever knew and trusted in Him the way that Jesus trusted the Father while He was doing His earthly ministry. And therefore the righteousness that gives life could not be theirs. But, instead they only had the righteousness that perfect law keeping provides.
Blessings:-}

Ditchner'
Ditchner'
  Stucky
December 1, 2017 8:35 pm

Are you unable to lighten up and be respectful to others? You can disagree without getting all ugly, you know.

catfish
catfish
  Stucky
December 2, 2017 4:46 am

Wow Stucky you get better and better- exactly – only Jesus was without sin.
What is Edwitness smokin’?

Edwitness
Edwitness
  catfish
December 2, 2017 5:01 pm

Really? Then you should be able to easily explain this, right?
Luke 1:5-6 “There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. And they were both righteous before God, walking in ALL the commandments and ordinances of the LORD BLAMELESS.”

Hint: John16:9 and Gal.3:21,22

Blessings:-}

Ditchner'
Ditchner'
  Edwitness
December 1, 2017 8:33 pm

When Jesus upped the ante and informed us that just a lustful look was the same as committing adultery or being angry with a brother was the same as committing murder it put our ability to to keep the commandments completely out of reach even though they probably already were. Who, for instance, never coveted something that wasn’t theirs?

This is why we all need Jesus. We all sin no matter how hard we try not to, even with the help of the Holy Spirit.

Maggie
Maggie
  Diogenes
December 1, 2017 2:06 pm

Technically, there weren’t any Ten Commandments then. I guess you could say they EXISTED, but just weren’t “carved in stone.”

Edwitness
Edwitness
  Maggie
December 1, 2017 3:06 pm

Actually, the law did not exist in any form until God gave them to Moses. We know this because Paul wrote in his excellent doctrinal statement in Rom.5:13,14 that there was no law between Adam and Moses.
And that because there was no law, what is considered sin under the law, was not imputed. In other words, from Adam to Moses they were not held accountable for violating the law, because it did not exist.
Blessings:-}

Ditchner'
Ditchner'
  Edwitness
December 2, 2017 12:56 pm

The law may not have existed in stone or parchment until Moses day but this verse as mentioned above from Genesis 26 certainly makes it clear that it existed: “Abraham obeyed me and did everything I required of him, keeping my commands, my decrees and my instructions.”

Not to take anything away from Paul, the great apostle, but the greater portion of Christianity has been led astray by misinterpreting his words. “As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” 2 Peter 3:16

Edwitness
Edwitness
  Ditchner'
December 2, 2017 3:30 pm

What God commanded Abraham to do had nothing to do with the law. If you will read what He told Abraham to do you will see it had only to do with some very personal instructions that were for him alone to follow.
Things like the sacrifice of Isaac. Leaving his country to go to another land. Things like that. But, nothing that had to do with morality. We see this when Abraham takes Hagar to wife. And when he lies to king Abimelech so they won’t kill him to have Sara. These are things the Bible never brings up as immoral on Abraham’s part. Yet the church goes on and on about Abraham’s immoral behavior here.
This is because there was no law to say what was moral or immoral. And this is why what we know as sin today was not held to their account back then. Or “imputed” as Paul says in Rom.5:13.
And since we are not under law but under grace today, Rom.6:14, sin is not imputed to us either. 2Cor.5:19.
This is what makes us so completely free tool especially God and others the way He loves us.
Paul withstood Peter to his face about the law and this is what Peter remembered and was referring to in his epistle.
Blessings:-}

Ditchner'
Ditchner'
  Edwitness
December 3, 2017 3:13 pm

“What God commanded Abraham to do had nothing to do with the law. If you will read what He told Abraham to do you will see it had only to do with some very personal instructions that were for him alone to follow.”

“Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.” genesis 26:5 kjv

So, God created personal commandments, statutes and laws that only applied to Abraham? I beg to differ. The OT implies by what was written about Enoch, Noah, and Abraham that they were instructed in God’s ways (laws, commandments, statutes) and demonstrated faith by attempting to follow them as best they could as humanly possible and likely with help by the Holy Spirit.

Edwitness
Edwitness
  Ditchner'
December 3, 2017 10:54 pm

//I beg to differ.//
Yes we do. And you differ as well with the apostle Paul because you say it is “implied” somewhere else…. Yet you twist what he plainly said, “for until the law sin was in the world but sin is not imputed when there is no law” to mean something he never said.
If God had given to these men the “moral law” or whatever you want to call it, their violation of it would have been imputed to them. Because when there is law it is imputed. But, Paul says it was not imputed from Adam to Moses because there was no law then.
How is it that the church can’t see that? Blind leading the blind.
Blessings:-}

Edwitness
Edwitness
  Ditchner'
December 2, 2017 3:37 pm

//Not to take anything away from Paul, the great apostle, but the greater portion of Christianity has been led astray by misinterpreting his words. “As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” 2 Peter 3:16//
The only twisting that was going on then as now is by those who would teach that everyone is responsible to keep the law when it was only given to Israel and has now been delivered from it. Rom.7:1-7. This was the main message that Paul preached concerning the law, as the gospel that was given to him to make known to the church. The argument that was settled in Jerusalem was about this very issue. Acts15.
Thanks
Blessings:-}

Ditchner'
Ditchner'
  Edwitness
December 3, 2017 3:49 pm

“The only twisting that was going on then as now is by those who would teach that everyone is responsible to keep the law when it was only given to Israel and has now been delivered from it. ”

The commandments are eternal. This is what was taught by the apostles to the 1st century churches. That is why when you study the history the true Christian churches which used the Greek received texts as their scriptures, as opposed to the Alexandrian/Roman corrupted versions, all were commandment keepers who kept the seventh day Sabbath, shunned the use of any idolatry, did not baptize infants and did not celebrate pagan holidays such as Easter or Christmas. These churches which had their beginnings in Syria spread to Armenia, India, China, Ethiopia, Northern Italy, Southern France, Ireland, Scotland, and England to name a few. Rome did their best to wipe them out and to obliterate their historical records but were never able to completely wipe out the “remnant”. Unfortunately the modern world knows little of this history and the greater part of Christianity believes, as you do, that we can be Christians and that the commandments no longer apply to us. Remember that God promised to write his laws in our hearts. Keeping the commandments do not save us but faith produces works which include obedience to God. “if you love me, keep my commandments”. That’s not a popular sermon in today’s apostate, ecumenically defeated churches. I don’t know what denomination you worship with but I’d wager that it’s one that has signed or agreed with the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification with the Vatican, which has been accomplished just in time for the 500th celebration of the Reformation.

Edwitness
Edwitness
  Ditchner'
December 3, 2017 11:21 pm

//The commandments are eternal. This is what was taught by the apostles to the 1st century churches.//
The apostles taught exactly the opposite of what you said here. They concluded at the council at Jerusalem that to teach Gentiles to keep the law of Moses and the circumcision of Abraham was to “subvert their souls”. Acts15. The mistake you have made is to equate God with the law. This is why you think the law is eternal.
God is eternal, not the law. Because God is love (John4:24) and love is very personal. Love is therefore eternal. This is what Paul said in 1Cor.13. “And now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.” The law is impersonal. It was never meant to be the way man relates to God because it was so impersonal. And God wants a very personal love relationship with each of us.
The law was only meant to show Israel how to behave in a civil society. 1Tim.1; “Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart(this is where the commandments end because they are not love), and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside (to the law) unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully(for civil gov’t); Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man(but we are righteous in Christ), but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,……”

Blessings:-}

LaGeR
LaGeR
November 30, 2017 1:29 pm

Edited.
Title: “Scripture Guidelines for Village Idiots to Live By”
#10:
Philippians 4: v-8-9 even
Good advice for atheists…”Finally, Bros & sis, whatever is true, Noble, and right, whatever is pure, lovely, or admirable, if anything is excellent or praiseworthy – think about such things. Whatever you have learned or received or seen such as these, put it into practice.”

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 30, 2017 1:32 pm

Too easy.

2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and heal their land.

Thank you God.

BB
BB
November 30, 2017 2:10 pm

Give your servant an understanding heart to judge your people ,that I may discern between good and EVIL. 1Kings 3:9
This would help make America better.We seem to have lost our ability to know good from evil.
I think we all could use a little more wisdom in our daily lives as individuals and as a nation.

BL
BL
  BB
November 30, 2017 7:02 pm

True dat BB………..+100

Diogenes
Diogenes
November 30, 2017 2:28 pm

Luke 17:34 King James Version (KJV)
“I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.”

Luke 17:35King James Version (KJV)
“Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.”

LGBTXYZ

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Diogenes
November 30, 2017 2:56 pm

Dog genes, if you think those verses validate you lifestyle choice, your sadly mistaken.
EC

Diogenes
Diogenes
  Anonymous
November 30, 2017 3:06 pm

That is not my lifestyle choice, I just find it quite amusing.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Diogenes
November 30, 2017 3:20 pm

As YoBot would say, the cultural Marxists have so corrupted the language that you read the word but you do not understand it. You see only filth where there is truth. Your mind is corrupted.

The Purpose of Jesus’ Parables
…And He told them, “The mystery of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to those on the outside, everything is expressed in parables, so that, ‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven.’”

Crimson Avenger
Crimson Avenger
November 30, 2017 2:45 pm

I’m not a bible guy, but I heard something a couple of weeks ago that shook me to my core. I’m still struggling with it. Something like:

What does a man profit if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?

That’s how I’m feeling with work right now, summed up pretty well in the following:

Diogenes
Diogenes
  Crimson Avenger
November 30, 2017 2:54 pm

Thanks Crimson Avenger that video was awesome !!!!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Diogenes
November 30, 2017 3:15 pm

So was the contortionist video. They are both good in their own way.
EC

Diogenes
Diogenes
  Anonymous
November 30, 2017 3:26 pm
Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Diogenes
December 1, 2017 2:58 am

OK, the saggy ass video I didn’t like. At least wear a thong bikini. If would be much sexier. Or at least a regular bikini for that matter.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Crimson Avenger
December 1, 2017 2:55 am

That was a good video. Makes me think of NYC.

LaGeR
LaGeR
November 30, 2017 3:17 pm

“Flirting with atheism”
One particularly bad day, he had to deal with numerous wicked people and events, which caused him to question if God really existed. Looking for answers, he wondered why God wasn’t speaking to him, and answering his prayers. The final straw was when his vehicle broke down on the freeway in L.A. Through his anger and tears, he looked toward heaven and thought: Why? Then he saw it. A billboard.
NEED JESUS? CALL. There was a number, so he dialed it.

…A Mexican with a tow truck showed up.
(El ?)
Bada boom. Try the ribs. I’m here all weekend. Remember to tip the bartender and waitresses.
post script commentary…maybe this belongs on the Rudy Martinez rant about Whitey’s DNA?
No matter. The road to laughs is paved with good intentions, or, was it paved with squirrels who couldn’t decide quickly enough?

Diogenes
Diogenes
  LaGeR
November 30, 2017 3:20 pm

And be sure to try the steak vaginas they are delicious!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  LaGeR
November 30, 2017 3:24 pm

Skeleton walks into a bar. He looks around and notices only two customers in the place.
He turns to the bartender and says, this place is like a morgue.
EC

Diogenes
Diogenes
November 30, 2017 3:18 pm

John 9:1-12King James Version (KJV)

And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

This question by the apostles shows a belief in reincarnation.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Diogenes
November 30, 2017 4:05 pm

No.

It shows that they believed his blindness was the result of personal sin on his or his parents part and Jesus corrected them about it that it wasn’t a punishment for sin (as many Jews believed such things were) but a condition to be used to the glory and testament of God.

John 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. (KJV)

Diogenes
Diogenes
  Anonymous
November 30, 2017 4:27 pm

He was BORN blind. So when did he perfrom this personal sin? in the womb?

Edwitness
Edwitness
  Stucky
December 2, 2017 3:12 am

“…to them that hate me” is the important part of that passage. This obviously did not apply to the man that was born blind. But, only applies to those who hate the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And while Israel had leadership that sometimes led the people to idolatry. There is never a time when all Israel hated/rejected God. God always reserves a remnant. 1Kings19 and Rom.11,12
Blessings:-}

catfish
catfish
  Diogenes
December 2, 2017 4:50 am

The sins of the fathers are visited upon the sons. I have seen it so many times. A nasty piece of work steals and lies (e.g. a politician, lawyer) and his son inherits that which the father stole. Inherit – hereditary disease- you see how it all comes out in the wash.
The man born blind changed his father to God and hated his biological father as God commanded. That saved his sight!

Penforce
Penforce
November 30, 2017 3:20 pm

I tried to blow it off with sarcasm, but that didn’t work. Where to begin? If you feel you are guided by some unseen omnipotent God, that’s fine. My day- dreams are much shorter than that and sometimes are about sex or fishing. I think about the existence of God way too much. God does not provide his followers a good sales pitch. As a result, some believers feel obligated to hijack everything, and try one fucking more time to convince me they’re right. Are you trying to tell me that you are better off than me? And all you had to do is mindlessly ramble on about God in every sentence, rendering your consciousness questionable? Fair trade for you maybe, annoying for me. God will provide? What the fuck does that mean and who measures that completion. Believers see the world through rose colored glasses. Religion to me is like honey. Sweet and bright and sticky and on (((everyfuckingthing.))) Your faith, complete with testimonials immediately place you, along with practicing atheists, in my I don’t give a shit box. My I don’t give a shit box, not to be confused with my I don’t give a fuck plane. God damn it Stucky. When you pound on the walls, something this way comes. Quit baiting the Christians. I’ll go back to my book. HTBC

Diogenes
Diogenes
  Penforce
November 30, 2017 3:30 pm

“All pleasures eventually equalize; their difference is of duration and degree. When certain pleasures are constant we naturally strive for their preservation. Hence to me a ‘large fat woman’s bottom’ is spacious and spatial—I know nothing better—so why should I disavow or transfer to ‘Love of God’, or anything else? I am loving God via a fat arse. All true appreciation of the abstract is through other things. Better this, than acquiesce by faith in non-inferentials. Actuality, like belief, is asserted by feeling. So the Soul loveth all who loveth him through those things he maketh: he who appreciates my work” – Austin Osman Spare

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Diogenes
November 30, 2017 4:43 pm

Bah, a lot of words, dog genes. When you mix the fat arse with the celestial, it’s like Matt Lauer mixing his TV persona with his depraved office antics.

Do you recall Zara said, be or be not, do or do not. He didn’t say do and do not. You either love the things of the world or you love god, you don’t do both.

To thine own self be true, said the minister. He was advising his son on the trap of being duplicitous when you are a professional liar. Eventually you lose sight of the truth.
Shakespeare isn’t just for dogs, you know.
EC

Diogenes
Diogenes
  Anonymous
November 30, 2017 4:56 pm

“You either love the things of the world or you love god, you don’t do both.” A slander leveled against the gnostics, when in fact they believed their God Sophia was embodied in the earth. I love god and her creation, not so fond of the world created by man.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Diogenes
November 30, 2017 6:31 pm

Sophia or Gaia?
EC

Diogenes
Diogenes
  Anonymous
December 1, 2017 8:04 am

Same. Gaia Sophia.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 30, 2017 5:01 pm

Dog genes. LMFAO.
Creativity is a funny fucker sometimes.
~Eljeeahr

Maggie
Maggie
  Anonymous
December 2, 2017 5:19 pm

He’s a sly and cunning coyote, isn’t he?

Maggie
Maggie
  Anonymous
December 2, 2017 5:17 pm

And Hamlet isn’t about porcupines.

Maggie
Maggie
  Penforce
December 2, 2017 5:26 pm

Penforce, I walk each morning with a woman in her 70s, whose daughters live a half mile down the road and wanted their parents near them out here in the boonies. We are a good pairing, having decided we don’t care that I will wear black socks and neon spandex while walking and that she continues to be monitored by her daughters even though they are right next door.

The other morning she mentioned being the lucky daughter of a loving Father God who has blessed her with all that she has. I’m still thinking about that.

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 30, 2017 3:27 pm
Edwitness
Edwitness
November 30, 2017 3:28 pm

IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED.
I would call it a favorite. But, it might be better described as the most necessary.
Without this truth as the foundation none of the rest of what the Bible says amounts to anything of value. In fact, if this is not true then all of the characters in the Bible are the biggest liars and their teachings are the biggest hoax the world has ever been led to believe. Because everything they wrote in the scriptures is based on the truth of Gen.1:1 and John1:1,14.
In Rob’s comment above we see this expressed as well as it can be. He wrote, “There isn’t even one truth in the Bible.” This is what must be our conclusion if we can not believe it’s very first statement.

PS-a truth for atheists to live by that could also MAGA is Mt.7:12- “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” At least they could try.

Blessings:-}

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Edwitness
November 30, 2017 4:11 pm

This is further testified to by the Biblical statement of God creating man in his own image (that of a creator) and the obvious reality that man is also a creator that creates the world he lives in, unlike the animals that live in the world that was already created for them.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
November 30, 2017 4:46 pm

Oh, yeah?
What about Beavers?
Bees?
Birds?
Bears?
The B’s have it.
EC

Edwitness
Edwitness
  Anonymous
November 30, 2017 6:20 pm

Man nor beast creates anything as God has. They build from existing materials. God creates something from nothing.
We are creation. He is Creator. This is what makes God holy.
Blessings:-}

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  Edwitness
November 30, 2017 10:20 pm

In fact, if this is not true then all of the characters in the Bible are the biggest liars and their teachings are the biggest hoax the world has ever been led to believe.

On the other hand, perhaps your bible is just a small hoax. What we know for sure is that no tombs exist forMoses, David or Solomon but you can visit the one of Kurosh (Cyrus). We also know that Kurosh built the temple in Jerusalem according to your own holy books (Chronicles II). The likely truth is that Yawheh is another word for Ahura Mazda but the hebrews fucked the narrative in part by making it about themselves rather than about Khoda (God). Because of this and because of history, we have to discover Khoda for ourselves. Most will choose not to because while Ahura Mazda sought for mankind to use their brains, the Jewish version merely seeks obedience as does the Arab one.

Edwitness
Edwitness
  Zarathustra
November 30, 2017 11:43 pm

//Most will choose not to because while Ahura Mazda sought for mankind to use their brains, the Jewish version merely seeks obedience as does the Arab one.//
“Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”

This Ahura Mazda guy sounds like the serpent to me. Seeing how his main thing is that you gain knowledge. That is, if you believe what the Bible has to say about it.
Blessings:-}

Diogenes
Diogenes
  Zarathustra
December 1, 2017 8:10 am

Yawheh (yaldabaoth) is a grumpy ass, vengeful, archonic, storm god. Don’t pollute Ahura Mazda by trying to make a connection. I love to watch Xians trying to reconcile the god represented in the OT with the god presented in the NT.

Edwitness
Edwitness
  Diogenes
December 2, 2017 3:40 am

//I love to watch Xians trying to reconcile the god represented in the OT with the god presented in the NT.//
Same God, different covenant. See, that wasn’t so hard.
Blessings:-}

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Edwitness
December 1, 2017 3:07 am

Edwitness, I agree that’s one of the most important verses in the Bible for the reasons you state. And it does all hinge on creation, which is why evolution was brought in, to take away from it..

Anonymous
Anonymous
November 30, 2017 6:25 pm

Make America Godly Again

The Modern Chronicler
The Modern Chronicler
November 30, 2017 6:35 pm

Did not read the comments; 90 comments as of this writing…

Favorite Biblical Truth:
(Can I write two?)
– What a man sow, he reaps

– It is appointed to men die once but after this, the judgment

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
November 30, 2017 9:08 pm

Who cares? You guys can cuddle later. Right now, you need to make a worthwhile comment.

TC
TC
  EL Coyote
December 1, 2017 9:33 am

Fair enough. If I had to pick one reference from the bible that would truly MAGA, it would be Jesus driving the money changers from the temple. Our nation is so completely burdened by interest on debt, foreign aid (both direct and indirect,) not to mention the “tax” of our Federal Reserve System. The scale of the bleeding makes the welfare system look like a bunch of pikers.

Diogenes
Diogenes
  TC
December 1, 2017 9:42 am

I agree. I have a t-shirt I made which has that bible quote on it.

Gayle
Gayle
November 30, 2017 9:59 pm

There are six things the Lord hates:
-haughty eyes
-a lying tongue
-hands that kill the innocent
– a heart that plots evil
-feet that race to do wrong
-a false witness who pours out lies
-a person who sows discord among brothers

Proverbs 6:17-19

Rdawg
Rdawg
  Gayle
November 30, 2017 11:53 pm

Not only is that seven things, but numbers 2 and 6 seem redundant.

Combine those two, and there’s your six I guess.

Gayle
Gayle
  Rdawg
December 1, 2017 1:33 am

That’s what I get for hurrying. The first line should read:

There are six things the Lord hates -no, seven he detests:

I guess lying in general (#2) is bad, but lying as a “false witness” (#6) is bad enough to get its own entry.

Thanks for the gentle correction.

Edwitness
Edwitness
  Gayle
December 1, 2017 1:40 am

The reason bearing false witness gets it’s own entry is that it is always wrong. But, lying is not. As in the story where Rahab saved the lives of the Hebrew spies by lying to the men that were looking for them. God actually saved her and her house because she lied to protect the Hebrew spies.
Blessings:-}

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Edwitness
December 1, 2017 2:20 am

Genuine question: What book/chapter can I read to understand why the men looking for the hebrew spies were confirmed to have been in the wrong?

Just Numbers 13 or do you have more?

Edwitness
Edwitness
  Anonymous
December 1, 2017 8:12 pm

The scripture does not say they were in the wrong. They were there to see if the city could be taken and what kind of defenses they had. The authorities in the city found out they were there and sent men to find them. Rahab lied to protect them and later God blessed her for doing so.
The story is found in Joshua chapters 2 and 6.
Blessings:-}

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Edwitness
December 1, 2017 10:00 pm

Seems political, not ethical.

Diogenes
Diogenes
  Edwitness
December 1, 2017 8:11 am

I can believe that. Jews are experts at lying.

Gayle
Gayle
  Edwitness
December 1, 2017 9:25 am

There are very few instances in the Good Book which illustrate that lying in order to carry out faith in God’s ways is sanctioned. Rahab is one. Since I have to go to work, I don’t have time to research the others. More often, as you know, we see Bible heroes like Jacob and King David lying as a way to manage their particular situations. These examples, according to many passages in Scripture, violate God’s insistence on living in the truth.

Manipulating those around you by lying is different from bearing false witness, which is lying about a specific person to either damage him/her or to enhance yourself.

Just my two cents.

KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie
  Stucky
December 1, 2017 10:43 am

I told a lie last week, to a 5 year old. My grandson saw a pack of cigarettes in my shirt pocket. He asked who they belonged to. He has never seen me smoke. I hide my filthy addiction from him. I told him they belonged to a friend…. He seemed to buy it.

Gayle
Gayle
  Stucky
December 1, 2017 4:41 pm

Stucky

I think you misunderstood my point, that to get around some clear form of evil, lying is permissable (and yes, I get that the presumption that the Hebrews were the good guys in the Rahab story would be problematical for some). To pretend you are not sending your lover’s spouse to the front lines of battle in order to assure his death, like David did, is not. Some instances are debatable, like in war. Only God knows, as they say.

You framed your question in terms of helping to salvage a society. What I know for sure is that one of the reasons we are going down the tubes is that we have been lied to 24/7 for how many decades?

Maggie
Maggie
  Gayle
December 1, 2017 10:59 am

Let us not forget the Queen of all Liars: Delilah.

Judges 16:9-11 International Standard Version (ISV)

9 Meanwhile, some kidnappers were hiding inside an inner room, waiting for her signal.[a] So she told him, “The Philistines are attacking you!” But he snapped the cords[b] as one might break a burned candle wick.[c] So his secret[d] remained undiscovered. 10 Some time later, Delilah told Samson, “Look here! You’ve been mocking me and lying to me. Now please tell me how you can be tied up.”

11 He told her, “If I’m tied up securely with new ropes that have never been used, then I’ll become weak and just like any other[e] human being.”

Didn’t Samson tell Delilah a series of LIES?

Edwitness
Edwitness
  Gayle
December 1, 2017 8:46 pm

//There are very few instances in the Good Book which illustrate that lying in order to carry out faith in God’s ways is sanctioned.//
Absolutely. Completely agree. Lying is more often than not not the right choice.
Blessings:-}

Maggie
Maggie
  Rdawg
December 1, 2017 8:58 am

I unclear on haughty eyes. Is that in the eye of the Beholder or thy neighbor?

Gayle
Gayle
  Maggie
December 1, 2017 9:32 am

Think Hillary Clinton.

Maggie
Maggie
  Gayle
December 1, 2017 11:00 am

Ah. Gotcha.

Mark
Mark
November 30, 2017 11:04 pm

Proverbs 25:11
International Standard Version:

Like golden apples set in silver is a word spoken at the right time.

Knowing what to say and when ‘is like golden apples of silver or a word spoken with propriety, opportunely and suitably to the occasion, is as much in its place and as conspicuously beautiful as the golden fruit which appears through the apertures of an exquisitely wrought silver basket.

KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie
  Mark
December 1, 2017 8:17 am

Mark, silver and gold apples, go on, pluck one and take a bite

“And pluck till time and times are done,
The silver apples of the moon,
The golden apples of the sun”
William Butler Yeats
The Song of Wandering Aengus

dammit man, I can no longer copy a youtube link and post it here.

I have to type in the address longhand, Nor can I copy and paste the site address for a copy of the poem.
Nor copy and paste the poem from the site.
What gives? Anyone else having this problem?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  KeyserSusie
December 1, 2017 2:44 pm

Maybe HF will like your song about wayward cows, I don’t care to listen.

Bill
Bill
November 30, 2017 11:16 pm

Do not sincerely DESIRE, do not SEEK for objective truth, do not WORK at living in conformity with a CORRECTLY formed conscience … and our perception of the truth will be blunted because of the malice of sin, and we will continue to sink deeper into sin.

Grasping this profound moral principle enables us to comprehend this otherwise mystifying statement of our Lord which seems so out of context in its parable:

“For to everyone that hath (desire for truth) shall be given (understanding of truth), and he shall abound (freedom): but from him that hath not (desire for truth), that also which he seemeth to have (thinks he knows the truth), shall be taken away.” – Matt. 25:29 Douay Rheims

(unwittingly yet willfully abandoning God and thereby wallowing in his own confusion and error.)

Rdawg
Rdawg
November 30, 2017 11:27 pm

Getting his mustache shortened and one testicle removed.

Unreconstructed
Unreconstructed
November 30, 2017 11:28 pm

Hebrews 5:2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant…

Rdawg
Rdawg
November 30, 2017 11:59 pm

God loves porn:

Ezekial 23:20 NIV She lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

God hates the denizens of TBP:

Ephesians 5:4 NIV Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
December 1, 2017 2:26 am

John 14:6 – “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

Accepting Jesus’s death, resurrection and sacrifice for our sins are the cornerstones of Christianity. Through Jesus’ sacrifice, we die once but miss the second death and ascend into Heaven instead to enjoy eternity with God.
If all those in our own nation lived by Jesus’ teachings (the true way): All people would work for their daily bread. Those who wouldn’t work, wouldn’t eat. Caring people would help those truly in need. People would not be greedy or selfish. People would not covet or envy their neighbors’ possessions (as you are pressured to do through commercials today.) There would be no theft or violent crimes. There would be no murders. No police would be needed because people and families would police themselves. There would be no wars because people would be peaceful and loving. The capitalistic system (minus the Federal Reserve) would be based on the free market, as outlined in the Bible (not Communism), and all the people would prosper. Government would not regulate businesses. Business would prosper based on customer satisfaction. Taxes, a form of theft, would not be allowed (though a tithe for the church would be encourage though not mandatory.)
And that’s how you Make America Great Again, based on God’s law.

Diogenes
Diogenes
  Vixen Vic
December 1, 2017 8:13 am

You could say the same thing about Buddha and the Buddhadharma.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Diogenes
December 1, 2017 8:52 am

That’s true, which means the two religions could co-exist.

catfish
catfish
  Diogenes
December 2, 2017 4:56 am

Buddha is dead and you are on the way to burn forever and ever

Maggie
Maggie
  Vixen Vic
December 1, 2017 9:05 am

I was talking with my friend at lunch and she quoted “The Way, the Truth and the Light” and I said (to myself I am not rude to REAL people only you monkeys) that was an interesting misquote because of the discussion about the Light on here yesterday.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Maggie
December 1, 2017 9:15 am

I quoted the King James version of the scripture.

KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie
December 1, 2017 8:07 am

Deuteronomy 25:4
1 Corinthians 9:9
Timothy 5:18

All say about the same thing. “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.”

A Methodist minister used this as the basis of his sermon for me. It was his liturgical sympathetic response to my divorce decree which left me near destitute.

Applies to the tax man too.

Maggie
Maggie
December 1, 2017 9:07 am

Okay, I think I finished. Wow… that was quite the discussion you had going there, Stuckmeister. You are a real shit stirrer. Takes one to know one.

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
December 2, 2017 8:10 am

I want to know so I can study the Bible lesson. Get out my Matthew Henry and Strong’s Concordance and be ready to dispute your truths on the basis of pedantic literature.

Hey, Stucky, did you read or listen to any of the Antifragile book Admin posted about reading while on VaCay on the Beach on the Shore? I found one of Taleb’s dictums concerning research struck home for me regarding my very successful college years handing in A+ quality papers. He says (I paraphrase, I hope, succinctly) if you need to look at more than a page number to use as reference in your contribution to debate, then you really do not have the right to claim the work as reference.

Meaning? I can go into some learned scholar’s work and find something that will debate your selection of “truth.” I will not do that this time. I’m turning over a new leaf on my tree. I will leave it to you to title your list of Obiter dictums as you choose and present them when you must.

“When I was young, I tried to “learn” just enough to present a few thousand words written onto paper to a professor for an A score. Now that I am older, I realize the true high scores for teachers and authors remembered come from my own thoughts.” If I don’t already know the general ideas of a book, I shouldn’t pick it up to CITE it. If I’m just hoping to find a statement that SEEMS contradictory to the point presented, I should ought to SIT DOWN and exit the debate.

Show us your truths and may the best Obiter Dictum win. (I’m thinking the noobe in town at least Shows for the Party.)

*I decided to NOT say axiom since you seem to be averse to them

BL
BL
  Maggie
December 2, 2017 8:25 am

Maggie- If there is anyone in the community that can challenge El Stucko, it would be you.

Go Maggie!

KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie
  Stucky
December 1, 2017 3:13 pm

I look forward to your efforts. Maybe it will speak to Kafirs too. Those who cover up, unbelieve or deny the existence of Allah. “There is no god but God” is a good start to the muezzin’s adhan. Muhammad IS NOT his messenger for me. May gÖd guide you as you post your messages.

The post on ‘swarm intelligence’ today is part of the dis-eased power of Islam and is available for those who are united. May your words unite us in resurrection of that which brings relief.

Mark
Mark
December 1, 2017 9:33 pm

Thanks KeyserSusie…the wandering made me smile…

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
December 1, 2017 11:46 pm

At this point, it looks like Hardscrabble Farmer is winning the thumbs-up. 🙂

Maggie
Maggie
  Vixen Vic
December 2, 2017 8:22 am

Surprise, surprise, VV. It’s like a rerun of a rerun around this place… HSF is the favorite of “those who still thumb thumbs” out there. I have not quite gotten used to the idea of thumbing all the time. I do go through and thumb up or down for equality reasons. If I see that EC got thumbed down by three people, I might toss him a “Mercy Like” on the flyby without comment. I like to think he realizes that it is me feeling sorry for his dumbass.

When my son first started learning about coding and putting macros together, I had him turn the thumbs off on the laptop we used to have. It was a Linux laptop that my husband had built himself back when he took a few classes in hardware longagofaraway. I loved it… never a problem with unwanted downloads or cookies or advertising bots and one day, when it was almost 15 years old, it died. I got this laptop this past spring and I still don’t like it. But, I now have thumbs. I admit, I do not pay a lot of attention to them still.

But, it is NO surprise that our wise farmer once comic once maligned now here helping us find our own separate kind of peace on TBP is the favorite.

How’s that for a descriptive phrase, HSF? I have not received any syrup. I forced the UPS delivery man back into his truck to make sure he did not have a gallon of syrup for me in there. I guess he learned what open carry laws mean out here in nowhere.

Should we exchange tracking numbers?