The Road To War?

Guest Post by The Zman

The base assumption of the armchair generals and foreign policy experts is that war on the Korean peninsula is suicide for all involved. The South Koreans know that the North Koreans have the capacity to inflict massive damage to South Korean cities. The North Koreans know that any war with the South brings in American air and sea power, which means the end of the Kim regime. Even assuming the Chinese step in to prevent a North defeat, the end result is monstrous for all concerned. As a result, we have a standoff.

That all sounds good, until you read something like this in the National Interest. Gordon Chang’s analysis may be way off base, but you cannot ignore the fact that Washington keeps pounding the war drums. It really does not matter if people outside Washington are listening. What matters is that official Washington seems to be gearing up for war. The Trump administration has been slowly building up offensive assets in the region. We now have three carrier groups operating within striking distance of North Korea.

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Maybe it is all a bluff, but why would Washington bluff, if they accept the various war narratives popular with the foreign policy experts? If the North Koreans are sure that the South does not want a war, why would they think that Washington is doing anything other than bluffing? The whole point of saber rattling is so the other side thinks there is at least some chance that the guy rattling the saber is serious. More important, the guy with the saber needs to think he is serious too. Otherwise, you get Obama’s red lines.

There’s also the unknowns. In this case, no one really knows what South Korean and US military intelligence knows about the North Korean military. It is a safe bet that that the US has had spy satellites parked over North Korea for a long time. It’s also a safe bet that the South Koreans have been cultivating sources in the North Korean military. None of this information is made available to the so-called experts and armchair generals. In other words, Washington may be responding to things entirely unknown to the public.

One thing that is known is that North Korea knows they cannot win a war against the South. The proof of that is how they have organized their military. Those artillery pieces on the border are a one-shot threat. They get about 72 hours to inflict as much damage as possible, until US air power takes them out. If they play this card, they forgo their opportunity to send their infantry and armor south. Instead, the North will have to wage a defensive war, hoping the South elects a negotiated end rather than an invasion.

This means their best card to play in this game just about guarantees their destruction, either from a land invasion or an extended air campaign. It would certainly end the Kim family dynasty. That makes the threat significantly less credible. The US can pressure China or make a deal with China, to get help putting the screws to the Kim regime, knowing that the Koreans only have a doomsday card to play. In other words, the doomsday card prevents a US invasion, but does not prevent economic war.

Of course, it’s possible that the math has changed for the Chinese. Right now is peak China economically and demographically. Now is the best chance they will have to resolve their Korean problem. A decade from now, when China has an aging population and the North Koreans have the ability to strike Beijing, the Americans may not be interested in helping with this problem. The best time to address tough problems is when you have the resources to address them. There is no better time than now for China.

There’s also the Trump factor. Previous presidents have been willing to accept the options presented to them by the foreign policy establishment. Trump is psychologically incapable of accepting the options presented to him for anything. Everyone who has done deals with him says the same thing. Trump thrives under pressure, so he puts everyone under pressure. He’s sure he can wheel and deal with anyone under pressure, so that’s how he changes the negotiating table. He creates uncertainty and puts everyone under the gun.

That seems to be what he is trying to do with Asia. On the one hand, he is encouraging Japan to build out their military and take a more active role in policing the region. This puts enormous pressure on China. He’s helping the South Koreans get ready for war, which puts pressure on the North and on their relationship with China. All of a sudden, the US is doing things very different in Asia. Trump’s willingness to change course on a dime, adds an air of unpredictability to him, which always makes Asian leaders nervous.

No one outside the Trump inner circle knows what’s in the works, but the steady buildup of offensive assets in the region is not just saber rattling. To send a message, you send a carrier group and hold some joint exercises with the South Koreans. Maybe after a North Korean missile launch, you pass some more sanctions and give a bellicose speech. What Trump is doing looks a lot like the preparation for a decapitation strike or maybe a sustained air campaign to cripple the North Korean regime. It looks like war prep.

 

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Anonymous
Anonymous
December 5, 2017 10:24 am

“…… but you cannot ignore the fact that Washington keeps pounding the war drums.”

And NK continues to beg for peace as loudly and widely as they can.

The United States needs to be completely destroyed and it’s wealth redistributed to the world’s exploited people to help correct all the wrong it has been doing to the world for the last 400 years and restore peaceful relations to the world’s nations.

unit472/
unit472/
December 5, 2017 10:48 am

You’re right, the North’s only ‘ace’ is its artillery along the DMZ that can reach Seoul. To get around the risk of a major conflict on the Korea peninsula the US should inform China we are going to use drones to take out senior officers and officials of the North Korean regime. Say one strike per week until Kim Jong Un is either overthrown or he changes his tune on his atomic arsenal.

Mossberg
Mossberg
  unit472/
December 5, 2017 11:43 am

Incorrect. The north has an extensive tunnel system, like the vietcong, or the japanese circa ww2. They have been caught at it several times, like drug smugglers tunneling into the US. One tunnel was over a mile into the south and was said to be large enough to move portions of an invading force including vehicles. They will pull their arty in and out like on iwo jima. Men will move and attack like the vietcong. Every inch will cost lives. No easy solution except not fight. Imagine those cunts actually detonates a nuke, be it mag pulse or not, its a fucking mess we do not want to face. The potential for hubris driven catastrophic cluster fuck is enormous. Our lives would never be the same.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mossberg
December 5, 2017 12:00 pm

MOAB’s could probably take care of that artillery.

Or, at the minimum, render most of their crews dead or otherwise incapable of operating it without replacement crews if it doesn’t destroy those guns and ammunition outright.

Hardnox
Hardnox
  Mossberg
December 5, 2017 12:10 pm

Mossberg, you are spot-on about their tunnel systems. A few years back a tunnel was discovered under a warehouse floor about 6 miles south of the DMZ. The tunnel was 2 lanes and loaded with jeeps, personnel carriers, and light armament. It was enough for a whole division. A river was diverted to flood it.

It is suspected that there are many such tunnels.

Hardnox
Hardnox
December 5, 2017 10:51 am

The only palatable option is for the Chinese to off Lil’ Kim. They have enabled this idiot. Kim’s generals must know this too. It’s the end of all of them if this continues.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Hardnox
December 5, 2017 11:51 am

apparently the chicoms were going to do that and install kim’s estranged half brother–
he was murdered in an airport in the far east,malaysia?,indonesia?,i don’t remember where but it was believed to be the work of kim–

Hardnox
Hardnox
  TampaRed
December 5, 2017 12:05 pm

Exactly right. I believe it was in Jakarta. It was this past summer. Two women Injected him.

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 5, 2017 10:51 am

Yeah, this guy is a military expert.

The US will not go soft . The days of Bush and Obama are over.

North Korea will be destroyed in a day without nuclear.

Stucky
Stucky
  Anonymous
December 5, 2017 11:09 am

Riiiight.

Iraq was gonna be a One Month War.

Doofus.

unit472/
unit472/
  Stucky
December 5, 2017 11:44 am

It was but Bush decided to stick around and build a democracy’ instead of just leaving after we destroyed Saddam’s regime. Of course that was also the result of the flawed WMD claim used as a pretext to launch the war.

Had Bush said Saddam was in violation of the 1991 Ceasefire and we were resuming hostilities as was our right we wouldn’t have had to spend months looking for WMD that didn’t exist.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  unit472/
December 5, 2017 11:54 am

though the claim was likely highly exaggerated,saddam did have wmd s–

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
December 5, 2017 12:03 pm

We didn’t actually fight Iraq to win outside of removing Saddam, if we had it could have been done in a month.

After Saddam was defeated, which didn’t take long, we just sort of stayed on and kept fighting for the sake of fighting.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  Anonymous
December 5, 2017 12:23 pm

‘Murica, bitchez!!!!!

Stucky
Stucky
December 5, 2017 11:03 am

‘They get about 72 hours to inflict as much damage as possible, until US air power takes them out.”

Riiiight. Because the NORKS don’t have hundreds, or thousands of anti-aircraft missile batteries.

I just don’t like this author. Here, he starts out with an insult about armchair Generals … and then he does likewise! Putz.

kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
December 5, 2017 11:20 am

The saber rattling by the US is intended to piss of NK so much that they instigate military action. This would allow the US to retaliate without China attacking the US.

You do remember what China said, right.

Anonymous
Anonymous

The “saber rattling”, which would be our joint military drills, has been going on for as long as I can remember on an annual basis. It has always been both joint training and a warning to NK to stay on their side and has kept them there since the cease fire was declared in ’53 even with their constant small provocations and violations of it.

kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
  Anonymous
December 5, 2017 12:29 pm

Anon…………you are missing the impact of the immense aggravated saber rattling that has been implemented in the last 6 months.

Anonymous
Anonymous

And you’re missing that it is in response to NK developing nuclear weapons and ICBM’s and threatening to use them against us.

A response to aggressive threats, not an instigation of them.

Sort of like buying a gun and getting training in using it in a crime ridden neighborhood, where a local gang is saying they are coming after you, to make sure you have the ability to protect yourself.

Read the news in relation to its time line of events.

TampaRed
TampaRed
December 5, 2017 11:56 am

russia’s pov on n korea,short article from the lobelog.com,what i would consider to be a left of center blog–

Taking Russia’s Stark Warning on North Korea Seriously

TampaRed
TampaRed
December 5, 2017 12:00 pm

Russia’s pov on n korea,short article from the lobelog.com,what i would consider to be a left of center publication-

Taking Russia’s Stark Warning on North Korea Seriously

c1ue
c1ue
December 5, 2017 1:19 pm

Seriously, Lindsey Graham?
It is hard to have *less* credibility than Lincoln 5 – McCain, but Lindsey pulls it off with style.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
December 5, 2017 1:27 pm

*sigh*

1) There is never going to be a war with North Korea.
2) If there ever was a war with NK we would lose both tactically and politically.
3) NK serves a much more valuable role as a boogeyman than as a military opponent.

EOM

Oilman2
Oilman2
December 5, 2017 4:35 pm

While there is quite a lot of bluster going on next to Japan, the war that has been already staged is on the Russian doorstep, and Putin knows this. Lots of others see it coming too, but the timing is all about the replacement of the dollar. Which KSA has signed up for already, along with many other countries. It may not be as sexy, but it will work for them.

If we provoke a war, and either China or Russia gets involved militarily, it will spell the end of the US carrier fleet at a minimum.

This is interesting too.

https://journal-neo.org/2017/12/03/american-calamity-get-ready-for-the-day-of-reckoning/

I tend to look at what nations are doing more than saying, and we have been doing quite a lot to start a war somewhere, anywhere – to move the spotlight overseas as we descend into normalized conditions with respect to the rest of the planet. And we all know what happens when you take the binky from the baby.

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
December 5, 2017 10:22 pm

This will be a war just like the 2014 Ukrainian war. Ain’t gonna happen .

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
December 5, 2017 10:23 pm

This will be a war just like the 2014 Ukrainian war. Ain’t gonna happen ..

MarshRabbit
MarshRabbit
December 6, 2017 6:34 am

“Chinese state-owned paper says China will intervene and stop America if it attacks North Korea first – and will only stay neutral if Kim attacks the States first”

China has been using North Korea as a buffer to the West for years, and Kim has been playing this role for all it’s worth. I hope Trump isn’t naive enough to fall for Kim’s blustering and walk us into an ambush.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4780602/China-stop-America-attacks-North-Korea-first.html

MarshRabbit
MarshRabbit
December 6, 2017 6:38 am

“US has military options for North Korea that would not put Seoul at grave risk, says Mattis”

This means war is on the table.

http://www.janes.com/article/74196/us-has-military-options-for-north-korea-that-would-not-put-seoul-at-grave-risk-says-mattis