Liberal Cities Will Be Out To Set An “Example” If CCW Reciprocity Passes

Originally Posted at Free Market Shooter

Many gun rights enthusiasts have been excited after Concealed Carry (CCW) Reciprocity was (finally) passed in the US House of Representatives, on its way to an eventual vote in the Senate, in a vote which was almost entirely along party lines:

Democrats then requested a recorded vote and the final tabulation on the recorded vote was 231 to 198.

Somehow, 14 Republicans chose to join Democrats in voting against what would be the first major win for gun rights in over a decade.  Even if this vote manages to get through the Senate (which is no guarantee) on its way to President Trump’s desk, CCW holders are vastly overestimating the realities of “legal” carrying in gun-unfriendly states and municipalities, and for one big reason:

CCW Reciprocity will most likely be decided in the end by the US Supreme Court.

Now, that may seem obvious; after all, handgun ownership for US citizens was ultimately decided in DC vs. Heller in 2008.  However, Heller and his co-defendants were merely challenging restrictions from an existing law which effectively banned handgun ownership.  Still, CCW holders seem to believe that a reciprocity law will mean that they can carry anywhere in the nation with their out-of-state CCW in “banned” places like New York City, Washington DC, California, and Chicago, to name just a few.

Meanwhile, “sanctuary cities” continue to oppose President Trump at every turn, openly flouting their opposition to ICE agents trying to crack down on illegal immigration:

California Gov. Jerry Brown is poised to bar law enforcement officers in the state from cooperating with federal immigration officials to arrest undocumented immigrants—making California the second jurisdiction to dub itself a “sanctuary state.”

Brown, a Democrat, worked with the state legislature on the California Values Act, which will bar police departments from detaining people based on their immigration status and prevent immigrants from being delivered to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers, unless they are convicted of certain felonies and misdemeanors.

Twenty-one mostly “sanctuary cities” are pledging to make 1 million immigrants U.S. citizens this year.

The “Naturalize NOW!” campaign, which includes liberal and progressive groups and elected officials, heralded the mayors of the cities in joining the national effort.

Do you seriously think that places like NYC, DC, and Chicago are going to let CCW holders waltz into their city packing heat, subverting their own ridiculous restrictions on concealed carry, with no repercussions whatsoever?

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If you are thinking about carrying concealed in a “prohibited” place, pay close attention to the case of Michael Strickland.  He lived in Oregon, had an Oregon-issued CCW, attended an Antifa rally, and drew his firearm to “defend” himself from a crowd of menacing protesters in Portland.  It took less than five minutes for him to be arrested, and gun-unfriendly Oregon made it a point to make an example out of him:

A man who pulled out and pointed his gun at “Don’t Shoot Portland” and “Black Lives Matter” protesters last summer was sentenced Wednesday to 40 days in jail and banned from possessing guns.

Multnomah County Circuit Judge Thomas Ryan also banned Michael Aaron Strickland, 37, from taking video of protesters or other people until 2018 — and then only with the permission of his probation officer.

While I believe Strickland wasn’t justified in his use of force, and deserved (at least some) punishment…

Based upon the video of the confrontation (above), I’m inclined to agree with the prosecutor. I saw no justification for Strickland to draw his pistol and point it directly at protestors based on their actions. While the crowd may have been hostile and even menacing, they’d done nothing I saw that justified Strickland drawing and aiming his weapon in “self-defense” as he claimed.

…can you imagine what will happen if you are “caught” carrying a gun as an out-of-state CCW holder in a place like NYC or DC?  Or what will happen even if you merely disclose to a police officer that you are legally carrying a firearm?

On April 2, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie pardoned Philadelphia nurse and mother Shaneen Allen, ending her year-and-a-half-long legal battle with the Garden State.

Back in October 2013, Allen was arrested in Atlantic County, N.J. following a traffic stop during which she voluntarily informed a law enforcement officer that she was carrying a firearm. Allen mistakenly thought that her Pennsylvania Right-to-Carry permit would be recognized in New Jersey.

Initially, Atlantic County Prosecutor Jim McClain sought to prosecute Allen to the full extent of the law, at which point Allen faced a minimum three-year prison term and a felony conviction on her record.

If you think federal law is going to stop authorities in gun-unfriendly states from throwing the book at a CCW holder, you would do well to look at the “sanctuary city” examples cited above.  States will likely look to make an example out of someone, stepping in to lock you up, sentence you, and throw you in prison for daring to exercise your “right” to carry concealed under the new law.  Maybe President Trump will pardon you, but the odds are more likely that you will sit in prison as you appeal your sentence, perhaps all the way to the Supreme Court.

And, god forbid you should actually have to use your firearm in self-defense, prosecutors will be lining up the charges against you, even if you successfully neutralized a legitimate threat.  Kill someone shooting innocents at will?  Here comes your voluntary manslaughter charge.  God forbid you hit an innocent bystander; even if the poorly-equipped NYPD manages to do the same thing time and again with no consequences, not only are you not a law enforcement officer, you are an out-of-towner packing heat, flouting city/state “law” that has stopped people from legally exercising their rights.

For the CCW holder, the reciprocity “risk” is certainly not worth whatever the “reward” is.

Don’t get me wrong; I believe in national CCW reciprocity, and at the very least, it will make victimization of CCW holders much more difficult. “Illegally possessing a firearm” over state lines has long been used to take advantage of CCW holders, with prosecutors throwing the book at violators for the most minor of “crimes”, needlessly imprisoning law-abiding gun owners for mistakenly crossing into a state without a reciprocity agreement.  Passage of this law will be a major win for gun rights advocates, and a much-needed step in the right direction.

However, it is a much better idea to avoid “prohibited places” such as NYC, DC, Chicago, and California.  If you do have to be there, do yourself the favor of not carrying concealed…

…unless you want to risk sitting in jail until these nine judges (or whoever replaces one or more of them) decide on CCW reciprocity’s legality.  

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General
General
December 8, 2017 5:03 pm

Better to be judged by 12, then carried by 6. And not be a pussy either.

BB
BB
December 8, 2017 5:03 pm

I guess they would put my old ass in jail forever.I carry an unfold AK 47 + my pistols in my commercial truck while out on the road.I stay away from New Jersey / New York City area but I still go out to the West coast. I am beginning to hate this fucking country .I know that’s wrong.I should just hate the damn traitors in our country.

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kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
  BB
December 8, 2017 5:27 pm

BB…..settle down; there is an awful lot to be angry about, but you have to keep your mental powder dry, else it will eat you up.
Be cool and calm and if the situation should ever develop (it won’t), make sure to smile at the POS before your lead flies.

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 8, 2017 5:21 pm

I imagine the extent of the allowed carry and use will end up being decided in the Courts.

Thank heavens for Gorsuch and those other Trump appointees that are to follow him over the next several years.

cletus the slack jawed yokel
cletus the slack jawed yokel
December 8, 2017 5:31 pm

What if i carry an illegal alien with me, can they shoot someone?

Wip
Wip
  cletus the slack jawed yokel
December 8, 2017 5:39 pm

Now that’s a damn good idea.

teo toon
teo toon
  cletus the slack jawed yokel
December 8, 2017 8:48 pm

As long as he find a stolen FBI agent’s gun wrapped in a towel under a bench and kills the White-privilaged non-person with a ricochet shot.

digitalpennmedia
digitalpennmedia
December 8, 2017 6:28 pm

It is possible that you are underestimating the gun holders in this country and the temperment that has developed and soured on “authority” and “rulers” that have decided when and how they will implement law. This includes not only city councils, but badges as well. If a national reciprocity is passed, yes examples will be attempted and carried out, but unlike with the HI judge that decided he could block the executive travel ban, there will most likely be fallout. People can only take so much b.s. and given the amount that has been uncovered and dealt with over the first 11 mos of this term I would say the patience is all run out already.

TreeFarmer
TreeFarmer
December 8, 2017 8:21 pm

So if you live in an RV and keep a legal, documented, defensive weapon in it (properly secured), is that considered concealed carry? Does that mean if you drove your RV/home through CA, NJ, or some other silly gun control state you would be asking for legal problems?

Rdawg
Rdawg
  TreeFarmer
December 8, 2017 8:37 pm

Yep.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  TreeFarmer
December 9, 2017 9:49 am

An interesting question, would the gun you carry make you guilty of violating CC if it didn’t meet the standards of the State you carry it into? i.e. if it uses, say, an 11 round magazine in a State that has a max 10 or less round magazine law no matter how many bullets you actually have in it?

Persnickety
Persnickety
  Anonymous
December 9, 2017 11:16 pm

Last I knew the House bill defined handgun to include the magazine and ammunition, so regardless of any local capacity limitations you could carry standard capacity (you know, 15 or 17) magazines, in the gun, loaded with ammo you actually want to use.

Wait and see what, if anything, actually becomes “law”, and then heed the warnings of this article.

Seen2013
Seen2013
December 8, 2017 8:25 pm

The author is right. Democrats and RINO’s in anti-Second Amendment Cities and States are centrally about the interpretation the “US Constitution grants rights” V “US Constitution enshrines rights and act as limits to governmental powers and authorities”. Democrats and RINOs will never ever burn their own even if the Supreme Court rules in favor National Reciprocity; it is an unalienable right they want deemed inalienable through decree, judgement, ordinance, or law rendered alienable.

Simple question, does Democrats and RINO’s support US Constitution grants rights or enshrines rights? Their actions in elected and appointed office states they support “The US Constitution grants rights” therefore avoid California, Illinois, New York, and etc anti-Second Amendment areas or don’t bring it with you. In those areas expect to be profiled and expect success of slamming you with anything related to a gun will be used not only against you but also everyone’s Second Amendment.

Brian Reilly
Brian Reilly
December 8, 2017 9:22 pm

There is no good reason for any law abiding citizen to get a CCW. If one feels the need to carry a weapon, one must believe that he is beyond the protection of the police, and in a place likely to be mortally dangerous. In that case, carry away. Perhaps one should alter travel plans if possible.

If, on the other hand, carrying a weapon is like wearing a tie, leave the goddamned thing at home or go somewhere dangerous where carrying is warranted. Going to NYC? Not to commit a crime, I presume. No need to carry. Going to Detroit or St. Louis or Baltimore? WHY?? Go somewhere else, or be prepared to shoot away and defend yourself in court. A lot easier to just go somewhere else.

You do NOT want to shoot or kill someone. Even if they have it coming, that is an act to be avoided at almost all costs. If you often need a gun to protect yourself, you are in the wrong places, and should go to no small pains to avoid them.

Rdawg
Rdawg
  Brian Reilly
December 8, 2017 9:27 pm

That was either tongue in cheek, or a new candidate for Village Idiot.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Rdawg
December 8, 2017 10:38 pm

I think Brian meant that no one should need a permit to exercise a right.

Rdawg
Rdawg
  Iska Waran
December 8, 2017 10:49 pm

I was 90% sure, but you never know.

wholy1
wholy1
  Brian Reilly
December 9, 2017 7:27 am

Wrong venue for SJW/snow-flakeY/beta-male “lib-turds” or feel-good Joel Osteen “churchies”. As a FIRST-year “boomer” (’46) when the violent mass blood letting and carnage was replaced with ejaculate during mass divine co-minglings of [returning war vet] Man to [waiting] wo[mb]Man; now at 71+, after experiencing war “up close and personal” in ‘Nam (’69) followed by a couple of years of int’l careening – pretty-much ripped to the tits 24/7, culminating in 5 years at BangKwang, Thailand’s notorious maximum security prison, I am now increasingly mollified daily by the thought of being “a little closer to Home”. Considering the “State” of absolutely blatant and pervasive “official” criminality, corp-owned media propaganda, corp/gov-controlled lib-turd academic cry-bullies, AI killer drones/robots, cyber and space weaponry, brain chips, etc, I hope the “almighty Author/Lord” has already “checked me out” – as Jim Morrison was purported to have once not-so-eloquently stated, ” . . . before the whole sh*t-house goes up in flames”, and the radioactive ash begins to settle. Now, as a [daily] repentING and therefore REDEEMed reprobate, it is [continuously] incumbent upon me to both “give Notice” and humbly seek the forgiveness of each and every other very special and unique Man/wo[mb]Man, created in the image of said “Author” and manifested IN to this world, but . . . NOT OF it. That being said, try any “deadly-force” coercive/provocative action against me or any other within my immediate perception and I will not hesitate to [or at least attempt to] “lop more than just an ear off”. I didn’t trade my garment for a sword as JC advised but . . . I DO “pack some serious heat” for the protection of BOTH myself AND any others in immediate proximity.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Brian Reilly
December 9, 2017 9:57 am

My experience is that I definitely wanted to shoot and kill those shooting at me while they were doing it.

A situational sort of thing.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
December 9, 2017 12:07 am

Sometimes ya just gotta shake your head and say WTF

22winmag - ZH refugee who just couldn't take the avalanche of damn-near-hourly Bitcoin and doom porn stories
22winmag - ZH refugee who just couldn't take the avalanche of damn-near-hourly Bitcoin and doom porn stories
December 9, 2017 3:51 am

Saturday night specials do not win domestic insurgencies.

MN Steel
MN Steel

White men don’t carry Saturday Night Specials.

We like them to go “bang” every time.

Except when in one of the aformentioned Commie cities where you may have to shoot-n-scoot for plausible deniability.

Then the po-pos get to find the cleanest, most functional non-traceable friction-taped firearm they’ve ever seen.

Just sayin’…

Anonymous
Anonymous

We wasted our time in WWII making things like the Liberator and STEN then. Cheapo weapons made in the mistaken belief that they could make a difference.

wholy1
wholy1
December 9, 2017 6:53 am

Just more incentive for freedom-loving “citYzens” to get GROUNDed on a portion of inland, elevated, RURAL, arable, UN-encumbered/UN-addressed county dirt. Get GATHERed, GUNned, GARDENed, PROVISIONed and . . . S-I-M-P-L-I-F-I-E-D! The “Blessings from the Beginning” are revealed and thereby accessible to the faithfully repentING/REDEEMed/GATHERing RemnantS, fulfilled in daily fellowship of collaborative PRODUCTIVE enterprise and the opportunity to assist/gather other repentING in greater need. And as such . . . relieved, humbled and thankful for sight of One’s salvation BEFORE having – unknowingly – “run out One’s clock”. The “Quickening” gets more exciting/out-of-control daily and at some not-yet-known triggering inflection point/critical mass moment, entropy will no longer be forestalled/denied and then . . . “lights out and/or ka-BOOM”, followed quickly by “survival of the most cruel” predating first on the most easily to overpower – the UN-armed, ALONE, INFIRM located in urban/suburban locations soon-to-become HELL-HOLES.

Centurion44
Centurion44
December 9, 2017 12:18 pm

If passed, you may have the legal right to carry concealed, however many liberal states will still be adverse to the law. You may have the right, but that will most likely not matter to those folks, they’ll find a way to screw us.