THE CONTINUING SAGA OF Q

I’ll never be able to do this wide ranging and prolific saga any real justice. It’s just too big as I expect you’ll come to find out in the coming weeks and months. I think everybody, including the Weaponized Autists, expected to see some fairly immediate and definitive proofs that the subjects broached by Q are true.

Trump called this The Calm Before The Storm for a reason. Storms come in all kinds of sizes and move at many different speeds. Trump’s storm is, by all indications, an epic Typhoon. I have no experience with a typhoon but I did survive a category four Hurricane in 1989. It was building strength for weeks over warm, open water. I was 100 miles inland and the storm took hours to reach us once the eye made landfall. The storm started out dark and foreboding with light breezes. That was followed by a little rain, increasing winds, increasing rain, hail, gale for winds with unbelievable gusts then hours of howling, sometimes deafening winds. All of the sudden it was over. Daylight, decreasing winds and beautiful blue skies. It was utterly silent outside. No birds, insects, cars, planes…….nothing. We were in the false promise of the Eye of the Storm.

We were lucky because the storm blew itself out right over the top of us. The rest of the day was blustery and wet but the dreaded backside of the storm never hit. The world won’t be so lucky with Trump’s storm. More precisely, the bad guys won’t be so lucky. The rest of us should be fairly immune to it’s effects.

Q has been silent since Christmas Day. I’ve been reading steadily since then and in between the crap posts there have been some real gems very similar to Q’s but without the Q tripcode that securely identifies Q. Turns out a person claiming to be on “Fire Watch” was posting crumbs as well as warnings about the bad guys trying to disrupt their work on 8 chan. It looks like nonsensical chaos in real time.

Since almost none of you are reading in real time….or at all, I’ll post something that is typical of what goes on over there.

An autist on CBTS board posted this comment yesterday on Iran:

“>>213204 The mullahs must go. POTUS has produced a plan for middle east peace. SA, Egypt,Israel and others are cooperating.”

A stand in for Q (on Fire Watch) posted this yesterday in response:

“This time they have SA backing. MBS is good. History in the making.”

and this:

“MBS is good. MBS working with POTUS. Iranian demonstration is happening when MBS is in office and taking action. When was SA in this position at the same time in the past? Iran is feeling the heat. Why else do they react to MBS and POTUS in such a public manner? What do they fear? Why do they go quiet like others suddenly?

We are awaiting the outcome. One piece of the puzzle. Pray.”

MBS is the SA crown prince. Make of it what you will but Q has always said “future proves past” meaning upcoming news events will prove the “crumbs” or clues being posted.

I sincerely doubt that Q is a larp or hoax for one simple reason. The guys on 8chan are not being asked to solve some puzzle to save the world. Q was clear that regardless of what the autists achieve or don’t achieve, the operations to bring down the satanists/pedos, the corrupt DOJ and CIA as well as the House of Saud, George Soros (replaced the Rockefellers ICYMI) and the Rothschild’s will proceed.

The anons are not supposed to be attempting to predict future events. The anons have simply been asked to build a map from the clues dropped, learn to read the map and red pill the masses based on the info contained in that map. This is because the truth that will be exposed is going to be too much for many to take. Just imagine if you suddenly were forced to look up from that patch of grass in front of your little sheep head and were shown irrefutably that everything you thought was true was actually a lie. Now imagine 90% of the sheep waking up to that reality simultaneously in the coming weeks and months. Apart from being able to claim that they helped red pill the masses the anons get nothing out of it and most don’t seem to give two shits about even that…….they are anonymous by design and by choice. If it’s a hoax, who wins, what do they win and why?

In other news it appears that the bad guys are being or will be rounded up by US Marines and then held off shore, aboard military ships where they are completely cut off from prying eyes, news media as well as those who might seek to rescue them. Secret Service has been empowered to make arrests on command so they can round up and deliver bad actors under their protection very quietly and right in plain sight.

Oh yeah, the same team that uncovered and documented the 4289 sealed federal indictments is doing an update that should be out tomorrow. At last count they were up to 10,448. Something like 836 of them appeared in the central CA district two days ago.

BIG things are moving just under the surface. CNN Opinion put out an article admitting that Trump is right about the FBI just last night. You could have knocked me over with a feather. http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/29/opinions/fbi-leadership-to-blame-for-tarnished-reputation-callan-opinion/index.html

The thing I find telling is what is not being talked about….CEO resignations building speed, suicides, political resignations or incumbents announcing they will not seek re-election in 2018. Big numbers of them too. You don’t hear the DNC or RNC squawking in a panic about about losing the people do you? Where are the smug usual suspects like Felonia, Obama and others peddling their usual diatribe? MSM is not talking much about resignations and outings in Pedowood or even among their own ranks are they? Where’s antifa? What happened to the SJW’s? BLM? Could their funding have dried up? Why isn’t the press clamoring to find out why the federal govt holiday break is being extended by a week?

I’m all in on this Q business. Worst case scenario is it’s a hoax and I return to our regularly scheduled doom porn. No harm, no foul.

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Anonymous
Anonymous

“Worst case scenario is it’s a hoax and I return to our regularly scheduled doom porn. No harm, no foul.”

ummm, yes. BINGO!

BL
BL

Anon – True there would be no harm no foul as it managed to keep the segment of Trump supporters holding on to make sure his rating did not dive lower.

TJF
TJF

I suppose I am barely cautiously optimistic about the whole Q deal. Hopefully it is real and the swamp will be drained, but it still seems so far fetched at this point, that I wouldn’t bet anything on it being true.

Stephanie Shepard

I’ve been off and on following the Q saga. So far, it’s been right on the money. I can’t say how close Q is to Trump’s inner circle, but there was anon post that showed up as a word for word Trump tweet moments after it was posted.

What’s caught my attention was the first posts about McCain asking why the Mayo Clinic? Then asking whose on the Board of the Mayo Clinic…Eric Schmidt. Who ran the DNC’s system? Eric Schmidt. Who funded Crowdstrike’s Series C in July 2015 with $100 million? Google Capital. Who visited North Korea in 2013? Eric Schmidt. Who resigned as Alphabet’s Executive Chairman the exact same day as Trump’s human rights abuse Executive Order? Eric Schmidt.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I haven’t followed Q at all outside of the few things I see posted here.

Since you and others apparently have, what is his/her/its track record of predictions made and predictions fulfilled during the time frame they are supposed to be?

Suzanna
Suzanna

we do not like Erik Schmidt. He always looks so greasy.

Francis Marion

The money from Soros Inc appears to be cut off. Suddenly the Liberal Party here is spamming Facebook (I have a corporate page). I don’t even get Conservative Party posts because I have not signed up for them but I am now getting spam from the Liberals unsolicited. All of them are requests for money. I think the dollars have suddenly dried up and they are scrambling for funding. No more Tides dollars etc etc etc. It looks to me like they are doing it to a lot of people who never signed up for their spam as the comments are about 99% negative, as in “Why the hell are you corrupt assholes asking me for money?”.

Something is happening behind the scenes that’s for sure. I can smell the fear in the Liberal’s CO2 emissions.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Wow, Trump is saving Canada also….amazing. Why?

Francis Marion

He’s not and he can’t. We have to save ourselves. But if money isn’t moving from one corrupt POS to another then we are the accidental beneficiaries of his actions. And the playing field here might finally level out a bit. We’ll see. I’ll admit it could all be bullshit. But I hope not.

Fiatman60
Fiatman60

“Our Strength is in Our Diversity”

Gator
Gator

He won’t have to save Canada. Or, put another way, if he saves the US, he will indirectly save Canada. If Trump really does actually clean house and lock all these fuckers up, seize assets, etc, then all of this nonsense stops down here. The assholes you guys have up in Canada get their money from similar if not the same sources, so things would improve drastically in Canuckistan as well. Plus, your fellow natives would start to see that they actually don’t have to put up with this kind of nonsense and act accordingly. So, while he can’t really ‘save you’, taking out the trash down here would mean the trash up there loses A LOT of funding, and without that they can’t function. Its not like they really have that much popular support for their more extreme agenda items, anyway.

wdg
wdg

All true but it is much more direct than that. Canada is a puppet-state of the US Satanic Empire. So any unraveling of this Empire will bring down just about every western government whether Fake Liberal or Fake Conservative, it doesn’t matter because they are both controlled by traitors. If Q is for real, then Little Trudeau, Ugly Merkel and Pretty Boy Macron with a mother fixation…and all other western leaders…must be crapping in their pants. I remain skeptical but hope that it is true. The number of sealed indictments, the drying up of funds, the fact Soros’ fifth column armies have gone silent, and the rash of resignations from Congress and other high offices provide strong evidence that something big is happening.

Suzanna
Suzanna

Not to argue, not at all, wdg.
I always thought Canada was largely invisible to the Satanic
Empire to Canada’s south. I think the Royalty is the boss of Canada…the Queen holds lotsa properties and has the final
say.

kokoda Raccoon
kokoda Raccoon

Where is Antifa, BLM, and Sjw’s?

It is winter.
In the US, protests generally occur during nice weather.

Francis Marion

That’s a good point kokoda. With regards to the very quiet Twitter accounts of a variety of people, it is likely that they might be this way because of the Holiday season. HRC just tweeted regarding Iran earlier today. Still nothing from GS since November.

Suzanna
Suzanna

That would be true. We dread mosquitoes and “riots’ in the streets.
Cold beer and being in the streets = hot fun. Winter = hot chocolate.

BL
BL

Do ankle bracelets allow you to travel about from state to state at will and continue to go about doing “business as usual”? What is the point of the bracelet?

Art
Art

They must have a GPS so movements can be tracked.

Anonymous
Anonymous

You got it, ankle monitors are to restrict where you are allowed to be in lieu of putting you in jail to prevent flight.

Free travel to anywhere is an indicator one is not in use.

Suzanna
Suzanna

ankle bracelet = constant monitoring of location…
(I don’t know if they can be pried or sawed off.) They are
cheap and efficient. Imagine the clamor if one of the anointed
were put behind bars, waiting on court? Who cares about those
people? We just don’t want them out of “sight.” Also, other perps
are left wondering and can be victims of rumor, doubt, regret
and the basic emotion = fear. As it should be. May they suffer for
their hubris.

hardscrabble farmer

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2014/rpt/2014-R-0065.htm

Interesting piece on ankle bracelets, not really used for people under indictment, but maybe they do.

I think with a couple of minutes and a dremel tool that would come off pretty easy.

BL
BL

Al Capone got a raw deal, he went to prison. Oh yeah, ankle bracelets were not around then.

This is silly.

Art
Art

“>>213204 The mullahs must go. POTUS has produced a plan for middle east peace. SA, Egypt,Israel and others are cooperating.”

I call BS on this. Iran is not responsible for the mess in the middle east and interfering in their business will do more harm than good. Are you sure Q is not some govt troll?

kokoda Raccoon
kokoda Raccoon

Figured same thing. When US, IsraHell, and SA plan something, it is not good for the world.
That ‘Q’ sided with this puts this ‘actor’ on the gov’t side, not on the side of good/justice/morality.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Yeah – sounds more like Mossad to me.

Guest
Guest

Israel’s enemies are the world’s friends.
TO ME, THIS SHILLING SOUNDS LIKE BLUEPILLING.

xrugger
xrugger

I guess this whole Q thing could be true…or it could be false. It could be real…or fake. All those folks could be hiding ankle bracelets…or they might not be hiding ankle bracelets.

Either something is happening behind the scenes…or nothing is happening behind the scenes. Q might be a for real patriot…or Q might be a for real government troll. For sure all the bad guys will be rounded up…or the bad guys won’t be rounded up.

Personally, I believe all this Q stuff is for real…or I believe it’s all BS. We’ll have to wait and see how it all turns out…or doesn’t turn out. I suppose it either will happen…or it won’t happen…maybe.

Geez!

Stucky

I think you’re right. But, you might not be.

You’ve mastered the art of sarcasm. Then again, what if you weren’t being sarcastic?

You said “Geez!”. But, what about “Not Geez!”?

Great summary of how I feel. Really. But, why should I trust my feelings? Geez!!!

Bilco

Like I have said many times here. “Do not allow them to slip back under the wet rock from which they came. ERADICATE them!!!!! “

Suzanna
Suzanna

…the extent of the crimes warrant public hanging. Killing millions
for fun and profit? Geez. We have to be patient, or we can “go off.”

wholy1
wholy1

Yup, the “Quickening” gets more exciting/out-of-control daily and at some not-yet-known triggering inflection point/critical mass moment when the “BIG LIE[s]” can no longer be sustained/controlled, entropy will no longer be forestalled/denied. Best be get’n WAY away from those future desperate zombie “coasters” and citYzens. One can only hope that the roving armed gangs or teams of gov knuckle-draggers will tak’em down before they show up outside your digs wanting in. May the Lord have mercy on the . . . [already] S-I-M-P-L-F-I-E-D, GATHERed/GROUPed, GUNned , GARDENed and PROVISIONed – on a “portion” of inland, arable, RURAL, UN-encumbered/UN-addressed GROUND – REPENTED REMNANT[s], fulfilled in daily fellowship of collaborative PRODUCTIVE enterprise and the opportunity to assist/gather other REPENT[ing] in greater need. And as such . . . relieved, humbled and thankful for sight of One’s salvation BEFORE having – unknowingly – “run out One’s clock”.

GreasedUpWillie
GreasedUpWillie

I.S., thanks for the Q updates. I am evenly split on his validity (while hoping he is the real deal). But 8chan is a nightmare to to split apart, so I have a book mark to your spreadsheet. But just wanted to give you a thank you for your time on this, I really appreciate the updates.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Charles Hugh Smith began speculating before the election that one faction of the deep state had broken ranks and was supporting Trump. I think this is probably true and that the factions are continuing to fight each other. Q is part of this, on one side or the other. As always it’s frustrating to be the little guy at the bottom trying to see through the fog of propaganda and disinformation.

FuckYouBoomers
FuckYouBoomers

“Deep State” my ass, call it for what it is: Jews in the Media, Jews in Banking, Jews lobbying.

Art
Art

In other words, it’s all Jew shit?

Suzanna
Suzanna

FYB,

Only in part…but they go a long way don’t they?

Ottomatik
Ottomatik

It seems clear that the Deep State is not Monolithic, there is no way Trump could win, with the entire Deep State arayed against him. A cold civil war is clearly underway, the competing sides seem pretty clear within the .gov, less clear in corporate America, some obvious, some potentially on the fence.

Further, it is becoming obvious that Saudi Arabia is not the same Saudi Arabia I grew up with, tectonic shifts are occurring right before our eyes, ‘New Deals’ have been struck, and consummated with fresh multi-hundred-billion-dollar-armament-protection contracts. MBS is a game changer.

Also, as Steph pointed out, Schmidt stepping down is beyond big and beyond coincidental, I mean how much power does this cat wield? Immense might be an understatement. His removal absolutely eclipses brother Podesta stepping down, a titan in his own right.

Of lesser note, but equally telling, are a smorgasborg of items:
Getty grandson found analy raped to death, Getty is no small name, I mean WTF, no one seems to be upset.
ISIS is fucked.
Las Vegas, I’ll just leave it at that.
#Me too, clearly the fluffer event for the main show.
and on and on and on, 2017 had so many paradigm shifting events one would be remiss to entertain that it is the same old same old.
Weather Qanon is real or not seems to be immaterial, look at what is happening, something fuckin big.
Thanks IS for all of the input, it is fascinating fare and I look forward to your updates.

To all of The Shit Trowing Monkeys, and especially Head Primate Burning Poo Flinger Admin
Happy New Year
May 2018 be blessed with health, wealth, family and friends.

Art
Suzanna
Suzanna

The super rich get bored doing “regular stuff” and they have
no struggles. The devil comes along with instructions for tasks,
(atrocities) they must accomplish to gain immortality. Devil
grabs their soul. They commit atrocities, murdering children
and sex, drugs, and money. I am glad that I have “just enough.”
I do not want any bargain with the devil. I would mash a rosary
in his/her face and call out for Christ.

Mary Christine

Whether Qanon, not weather. I almost got lost in whether there were weather wars or whether it was weather related. I think I spelled something wrong.

Ottomatik
Ottomatik

Thanks Mary
…could be weather, not intended but high probability of Shit Storm

Suzanna
Suzanna

Indeed Otto,

Things are happening and we love it…we are calling for fast action,
but the wheels of true justice turn more slowly. We don’t need a boxing match, or winner takes all. We need the perps to squirm and sweat,
and help things along with the occasional plea deal. They are rats
after all.

Mary Christine

I missed this news from last Tuesday

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5213347/Washington-Post-heir-William-Graham-commits-suicide.html

Is it because depression runs in the family or something else?

Indentured, when you posted “What If It’s True” the other day, I don’t remember anyone elaborating on what might happen if it is really true and it’s a success? In the aftermath, I mean.

The left won’t take it lying down. There would either be massive civil unrest or Martial law, wouldn’t you think?

On the other hand, what if it’s true and someone manages to get to Trump and there was an assassination?

Here is the problem I have with the “it’s just a Larp” position. That does not explain why the establishment on both sides of the aisle are so dead set against Trump. I didn’t like him but voted for him because if H won, things would have gotten much worse much faster.

Here is the other problem I don’t think anyone is thinking about. If it is true, we still have major financial problems to deal with. What should Trump do about that do you think? Maybe we should just take things one day at a time. I don’t know I’m just thinking out loud here.

Someone said that along with this being a war cycle, it’s also a civil unrest cycle and the last time that both occurred at once was during the American Revolution.

Anonymous
Anonymous

That’s “Martial” Law.

Stucky

OK, Marshall Grammar!

Maverick
Maverick

If you mean the military rank then it’s Marshal Grammar. 🙂

Mary Christine

Oops, thanks.

Suzanna
Suzanna

Mary,

the answer to our debt is to claw back (at a minimum) the 21 trillion
“missing” from HUD and the Pentagon (DOD). How many other
gov “agencies” have siphoned off big $$$$? How much did we have
to pay European Banks to prevent Fed/Wall St. bankers from having to
liquidate? Trillions/some say 24 trillion. America could prosper if
we ended the warring, quit the Fed system, and returned to “normal”
banking. As for derivatives? Shite, laws passed late 2014 saying our
bank $ doesn’t count…banker’s derivative debt gets first dibs.

That would cause some civil disorder and martial law…against the
big banks. Martial them all up…and confiscate 99% of their stuff.
Didn’t Trump just EO just such a plan? We the everyday people
deserve a break from bankers, pols, and the rich pedo freaks. I hope
it was some Dad seeking justice for his child that destroyed that
Getty guy. Remember Sandusky? He was raping boys in the locker
room showers…no one told? We need to break the programming!
We need to tell the truth/repeat the truth. Maybe the spell breaks.

Airman Higgs
Airman Higgs

I’ve been lurking here for a few months now, I forget where I even first heard of TBP. A fair number of you guys’ posts are thought provoking and interesting. Others… well, you get a participation trophy. So y’all don’t know me — I do not have a blog, I do not do Fakebook, and I haven’t Twatted in years now. I’ve been following the saga of the Earthly Q Continuum with some interest. So, here’s my two rupees:

You know that one movie where some guy makes a big, bold move and becomes a Big Somebody, and then all of a sudden a bunch of capos die, and Big Somebody then becomes the Capo di Tutti Capi? This is what it looks like from the front porch of the shack in the swamp. All you can see is the roiling surface of the fetid waters as various things fight it out underneath the surface. No doubt that were it all visible, it would make for a truly fascinating movie to enthrall the sheeple, in the vein of the Borne movies or maybe the Matrix, but salvation does not come from any of your fellow men/women/womyn/wmoemnen/whatevers. There are precisely 0 good guys in the entire city of Washington D.C. on a year-by-year basis since Ron Paul decided to take his participation trophy and go back home to sit on the front porch all day. I do indeed believe that some of the ubermensch broke ranks and decided that they wanted to work with this Cloud Person instead of that Cloud Person, because this Cloud Person knows all about making deals. The one and only thing that kept Amerika from sliding into the abyss more quickly than it has been was all the infighting between the two wings of the State party. Apparently some faction of the deranged sociopaths who actually run things got tired of watching the circus of inebriated clowns and decided to employ a Sword of Damocles to cut through the shitshow and grease the tracks for the handbasket on its rocket train express. IMO, this Q business is just someone trying to sedate the people on the fringes, the Alex Jones and the Jeff Renses and the Art Bells, just long enough for them to get everything in place for the final act. Hold on to your guts, Bats. This is gonna suck.

Mary Christine

Well, Airman, there is that.

On a side note,
Hey! A newbie! I’m not feeling so lonely anymore.

Ghost

An Airman Newby, EC…

GilbertS
GilbertS

I once learned how (wouldn’t call it studying) to do palmistry and tarot cards. It takes a certain showman’s flare and a bit of pop psychology to throw bland, generic guesses at someone that are literally universally applicable to people. “This line tells me you had tension with your family” and “here I can see evidence you had a painful time coming to maturity…” You don’t make too many specific statements and speak cryptically enough and you’re always right. Remember that show, “Crossing Over” with John Edward? He would toss out shit until something hit and the hopeful rubes never seemed to catch on. I see Q the same way. You throw out cryptic, random comments and wait for people to connect the dots and the successes will be remembered, not the failures.

Do you really believe Trump is going to somehow use the military to conduct illegal arrests of US citizens, powerful US citizens, and lock them on US Navy (not military ships) ships off the coast? do you really believe nobody will know about it, nobody will talk about it, and the public won’t find out? Do you think Congress would be interested in the president they hate actually violating the Constipation? Anyone in the military who accepts those orders can expect to be tried and maybe testifying before Congress. And Trump won’t be president forever. While I think it makes a nice story, it seems hard to believe it could happen in real life. Also, what would you think about a president who would use the military to snatch citizens, hold secret trials or arbitrarily sentence them for some offenses against the country, and then secretly lock them up offshore? That seems to be textbook dictator stuff right there. I think patriots, even ones who hate Hitlery, would be duty-bound to resist the president at that point. That’s totally Oath Keepers shit right there. And if you accept the premise here, what is there to stop the next president, who is probably another dummocrat marxist antiAmerican of uncertain ancestry and obscured past, from doing the exact same shit? When ObamaKlinton II arrives after The Donald departs, what will stop them from doing the same thing against the right? And what will prevent them from freeing all those terdz from Double-Secret Probation so everything can go on like before?

James the Wanderer

If there was any concentration of people who know all about pain, suffering, insurmountable challenge, last stands, hold-until-relieved-when-relief-isn’t-coming, duty, sacrifice and discipline, I would expect it to be the military. The general idea seems to be that a pack of honorable men and women learned about a pack of DIShonorable men and women in high places, and decided to do something about it, to try to recover the Republic, and flush the horrible ones out of public office, no matter who they were.
No matter what it takes.
If you’re able and willing to die for your country, what is POSSIBLE trial and imprisonment? What is sacrifice of career, position and rank?
And BY THE WAY, this is all supposed to be white hat action – doing things that are LEGAL under the Constitution, laws and processes of this land. Actually, that these things ARE legal is an abomination – you should not be able to simply declare, “John Doe is an XXX”, and be able to put XXXs under arrest, imprisonment, detainment at sea / foreign locations and hold them forever, try them when you can get around to it, hang them if found guilty and lose the remains at sea – but all that is apparently now LEGAL.
Because stupid people thought only Obama, Hillary and similar would use those laws to round up and execute those who Obama, Hillary and similar thought were “enemies of the State”. And now Trump is using the Patriot Act and such legislation against those who wanted to use them against us.
Ironic, eh?
I certainly hope Trump is saving us from the Clintons, Podestas, Alefantises and similar pedophreaks because he is an honorable man, whose actions are taken under existing laws and authorities to prevent the subversion of the US government into an NWO atrocity used to suppress freedom of ordinary Americans. If he isn’t doing this, he’s doing a great imitation – just look how many known pedos and subversives he’s already flushed out. I want them all to get a fair trial or tribunal (military) and if found innocent, released – and if found guilty, punished.
We can all list case after case like Lois Lerner, Eric Holder / Loretta Lynch, EPA bitches, FBI snipers and so on who have done evil and faced no justice. Len Horiuchi shot Vicky Weaver dead in her own home, while holding her infant in her arms – and the Feds quashed an Idaho murder trial to prevent justice. Who was held accountable for the slaughter in Waco? And that guy in Oregon (edit: Lavoy Finicum) who was killed by the roadside?
The rule of law, damaged by the Bush / Clinton cabal and demolished by Obama must be restored – or its time for another revolution. We probably won’t get another chance, so keep watching and tell your friends about the lies, theft, pedoperverts, phony charities and everything else the awful ones have done to the innocent – so when the time comes, no one can be ignorant of what was done – and what was prevented.

Kappa
Kappa

Just like they ended up getting Al Capone for tax evasion instead of all the things they knew about but couldn’t prove, it seems like the “good guys” are going for the “street sweep” method of getting the dirtbags off the street. It really shouldn’t matter “why” they are gone so much as “that” they are gone. If you can only get a seditionist on pedophile charges, so be it.

It is certainly fun to watch and contemplate the squirming that is inevitably going on by the powers that were.

ESAD, bastards!

(This acting civilized can be such a chore:)

GilbertS
GilbertS

Sorry- where does it say in the Constipation you can conduct secret arrests of people (with or without warrants? I’m unclear. Is this the Patriot Act being used on us? Cuz’ I remember being told it was a bad thing.) using the military and using intelligence collected by the military? And where does it say these people can then be renditioned to secret prison ships? Sounds like what the Brits did to us. Actually, it sounds un-Constipational when you consider it is illegal for the military to conduct law enforcement on US soil and to collect on US persons. I’m not an expert, but I think I see potential 4th, 5th, 6th, 10th, 11thA violations. We’re not living in Turkey with the military protecting the republic. We’re living in America and the military is subordinate to the same people the Q-spiracy would have you believe are the focus of these secret arrests. Also, I thought Q said this was being legitimized with some form of martial law. Where is that martial law? And if it is declared, wouldn’t that put you under the gun, too? I don’t think you can do something wrong like this, even if you pretend it’s for a good cause, without causing wrong. You’re tossing out the Republic for Might Makes Right and if you legitimize that, where does it stop? What will stop the next president from doing it to you cuz’ you wore a MAGA hat? Or you comment on TBP and that makes you a dangerous racist according to SPLC?
I like Trump, but if this were real, while I like targeting the bad guys, I don’t feel comfortable the way they’re being targeted because we could be next.
Allow me to ask you this question- Do good things happen in secret at night?

Also, the military is not above corruption. And based on my personal experience, I don’t think your average soldier is ready to just kill himself today. Defending your country and being prepared to face potentially deadly situations and your career are two very different things. I might be the crazy one and everyone else was ready to commit sepuku when I was serving, but I think the average service member is not planning to die or go to jail for their country. Most of them, say +5 years of service, tended to have a more careerist mindset. I don’t think most of them would be willing to rock the boat and I would bet they would not want to break the law they’ve been taught to follow. Also, to make this work, I think you would have a whoooole lot of ‘splainin to do just to make the plan make sense. The more ‘splainin you have to do, the more it’s going to sound illegal. Again, after all the briefings about NOT breaking federal law, I think you would have a hard time convincing those troops to then break that same law. Troops aren’t supposed to be policing citizens.

https://usconstitution.net/xconst_A3Sec2.html Here’s Constipation, Article 3 Section 2 – Trial by Jury, Original Jurisdiction, Jury Trials. Don’t see anything to legally support your secret war on corruption.

James the Wanderer

I’m not sure how it works myself – how the Patriot Act allows trials by military tribunal instead of domestic courts, but there’s those at Gitmo who found out. I’m not sure how the NDAA and such are above the 4th amendment and all either – but the NSA is sure spying on all of us, without a warrant (I think), and so on.
But then, I don’t see how Len Horiuchi avoided a full trial for murder (see above) and no one went to jail, either him or whoever let him off. I don’t see how all those men, women and children died at Waco without Janet Reno, Eric Holder and company going to prison (or even trial!) for it. I don’t see how Lavoy Finicum got justice either, do you?
So you can bitch all you want about how the Constitution forbids what Trump is doing; all you prove is that we are no longer a Constitutional Republic, which many have contended since Nixon. You can claim whatever you want about Trump and his gang’s motives, which may or may not be as pure as the driven snow.
WHAT DID YOU DO (as Denninger would ask) when Clinton sold missile technology to the Chinese for campaign contributions? What did YOU do when Bush the Elder used the CIA to do his dirty work? When Bush the Younger went after Saddam to finish whatever his father started? When Obama gave up what little the Bushes gained and let the Taliban back into power in Afghanistan, gave the Ayatollahs millions for no real nuclear reductions, divided America with racial rhetoric while importing endless refugees? What could you have done?
I want the Constitution back; I want real representative government that listens to the people and does what they need. I want the America of my father’s generation back; one that actually does more good than harm, creates opportunities for everyone to prosper and raise their families in peace and quiet. But that’s not what I have now; and neither Hillary, the United Nations, the Congress and Courts or anyone else was even trying to get it for me.
In 1776 people died to create this country; we may need people to die to restore it. Franklin said, “A republic, madam, if you can keep it” and Adams “Meant for the government of a just and moral people, and entirely insufficient for any other kind” to apply here. The enemies infest our government at all levels, aided and abetted by an immoral media complex, an immoral MIC and Deep State and all those who think pedophilia is just fine, incest might be better and rules are for losers.
Trump may be Augustus, but he’s far from Hillary (Livia, if you watched I, Claudius on PBS), Bill Clinton (Tiberias), or Obama (an even more warped version of Caligula). Given the utter depravity and waste / theft / fraud in Washington D.C. now, would you prefer to keep it as it is?
Enough; /rant off. Tell me how you plan to put in prison those who deserve it, right now, as things are, before they send YOU to the FEMA camps for re-education (should you survive). Obama and Hillary were headed for full-scale socialism before “her inevitability” got derailed by an inconvenient Electoral College; I cannot see how anything Trump does, even declaring himself Emperor, can be worse than where we were headed, and if he does indeed restore the Republic USING THESE LAWS WRITTEN TO OPPRESS US then he will indeed have done it legally, morally and in the best traditions of public service.
Your turn; tell me how you want it done.
Edit: Allow me to ask you this question- Do good things happen in secret at night?
Only in the bedroom – but that’s not what you were asking about.
(1) Suppose it can be shown (later, openly) that everything Trump is doing is for the purpose of restoring the Republic. Do you still object?
(2) Suppose Trump sends squads of US Marshals to arrest Hillary, Obama, everyone who subverted the rule of law in America. Would they resist? Would the casualties among them, their supporters and controllers, and innocent bystanders be more or less? Would they destroy evidence implicating them or hand it over for their trials? And would the populace, especially those who voted for them, be more or less likely to riot and destroy under such a process?
I don’t get much of what I want; I think it’s time for Obama, Hillary & Co. to suffer some frustration as well. We shall see what Trump’s motives and evidence against the accused are; I fail to see how it can be any worse than what the evil ones had planned for us.

Suzanna
Suzanna

Bravo!!

GilbertS
GilbertS

Question goes both ways. What did you ever do?

What did I do when Klinton was in office? I campaigned to get the Repubes into office in 1996. I was a true believer then and I was even offered a precinct chairman position. I argued til’ I was blue in the face with the liberal majority in my college and was roundly hated and denounced for it. I was literally the only conservative “out of the closet” there. After debates with me vs the entire room, people would sometimes come up to quietly agree, but told me they could never speak out.

The calumnies they spread against me were awful. I was accused of being a date rapist, hate monger, racist, bigoted homophobe, and accused by the student government of being responsible for a racist sexual assault perpetrated against the student body president (it never happened-she faked it to win and was caught.) and my car was vandalized multiple times for having bumperstickers critical of Bubbah. And a Cigar Afficionado magazine cover with him on the front. And an anti-guncontrol sticker quoting Hitler’s 1938 Nuremburg speech, which the morans assumed meant I liked Hitler. I suffered for my personal convictions at one of the most libtard schools in the country.

Then, I joined the army after 9/11. So I was there in Iraq on Bush Jr’s folly. I didn’t oppose Iraq at the time he started it, but I started to become disillusioned as time passed prior to my own deployment. I remember the first thing that pissed me off was a map of Iraq made up of photos of deceased servicemembers. Seeing the war firsthand, I became much more disillusioned. The second time I went back, I was even more disgusted. For me, the truth of that war didn’t really start to seep out til’ a few years after it started as the books started to come out, such as Peter Galbraith’s End of Iraq and Rajiv Chandrasekaran’s Imperial Life in the Emerald City, and the documentaries like Iraq for Sale. I saw and learned about from others who saw a whole lot of corruption while I was over there and it made me really mad.

I want the Constipation operating, too. But I don’t believe Q is authentic and I don’t think this whole narrative is actually happening. I think it’s all baloney. Pure wishful thinking so clearly manifested in this case, it almost reads like a Clancy technothriller story or even a movie. And if Q is accurate that this is happening, while I would love to see the bad guys pay,the reality of the president turning the government into his personal witch hunt is scary.

The more I’ve thought about it, the more it seems to resemble the collapse of a Republic and the founding of a Banana Empire. I don’t like that. As Popeye said, “Wrong is wrong, even when it helps you.” Sure, evil might be punished this time, but the line between good and evil will shift with the next ruling regime that takes over. Demographics being what they are, the next president will probably be a dummocrat. And all of us commenting on this site could end up being the new enemies of the state.

So if you want to support this, that’s fine, but the monster you support unleashing might be devouring you next. That is worth thinking about, considering this exact scenario is what people like us were dreading all through the Klinton years and the Soetero years. The purges can go both ways.

James the Wanderer

Indeed, the purges can go both ways. Perhaps that is our immediate future, and is probably what we have earned.
I was eligible to vote for Reagan, both times, and did. He had real challenges from the Congress (Democratic) and the Deep State. But when Bush the Elder ran, I voted for Alan Keyes. Fat lot of good that did me!
I voted for Bush the Elder over Dukakis, though.
I never voted for Clinton either time. Fat lot …
I didn’t vote for Bush the Younger; think I went Constitution or Libertarian, maybe Bob Barr. Bush the Younger didn’t inspire me as a real conservative of any weight, and I didn’t know who Cheney even was.
Didn’t vote for Obama either time. Fat lot ..
I’ve been trapped just like the majority most of my life – too busy raising a family, paying the bills, working for a living to take much interest in politics. That was my mistake, I suppose; but there weren’t sources like TBP back then, either. And the MSM was solidly in bed with the MIC – Deep State faction to get objective information in any great extent.
But I saw Ruby Ridge, and then Waco, and now Bundy Ranch – and my eyes are open. And for all the propaganda about an “independent judiciary”, they get their paychecks from the same Treasury that every other government snake does. Gotta figure out a mechanism to make them truly independent – and an OIG function to weed out the corrupt, partisan judges from the ranks.
Of course whatever “emergency powers” are currently in effect could be used against us next – but then, if we don’t use them to root out the cancer how are we protecting liberty? Given that it’s been YEARS since Len Horiuchi killed Vicky Weaver, do you think the current crop of snakes will restore the Constitution? Given that Lavoy Finicum died recently, do you think they will quit anytime soon?
I told you what I want – you still haven’t told me how you would accomplish what you want. Given the loss of Constitutional protections from Clinton onwards, how do you propose to restore them? Isn’t rebelling against a tyrannical central authority EXACTLY what happened in 1776?
To me it looks like we have few choices – the WORST being going along with the corruption. Q may be real, may not be, but at this point he looks like the best of a bad pack of options:
(1) Go along with the decay of the Republic into a socialist / communist nightmare
(2) Help Q in any way possible, in case he’s real and Trump’s real
(3) Armed rebellion everywhere; slaughter anyone who helps / helped the decay and corruption
(4) Mixtures of all the above, as chaotic waves of suppression, corruption and rebellion come one after another
If you agree that what we have is intolerable, propose your own solution. The Constitution says nothing about health care mandates from the government; at least Trump is pushing repeal. It says nothing about endless welfare for those who won’t work; perhaps that is next. It certainly does not address the establishment of a privileged class of pedophiles in every department who control by blackmail and bribery to prevent their removal! The Founders would never have imagined such a thing, which is probably why their silent coup was successful.
I could not stop the evil from my distant positions, but I never joined it (no government service) and do not agree with it, any of it. My resistance consisted of raising a family of moral, decent standing and opposing it / awakening those I interact with one at a time.
And when the evil comes for me, I will fight it until I fall. And I will support those who oppose it, even if the day may come when I regret not being more active in my resistance.
We will each, probably, have to choose which side we are on and how far we will go.
How will you oppose an evil that has no Constitutional restrictions, knows no morality and respects no limits? Can you remove an unConstitutional cancer on government using Constitutional methods? When large parts of that same government will use any means or method to prevent you?
Who watches the Watchmen? We sure didn’t, at least not enough. Will the cure kill the patient, or is he already dead, just imitating life with occasional twitches?
We are living in interesting times (Chinese curse), and we must decide how we survive them.

GilbertS
GilbertS

Want my solution?

Give up.

You know and I know neither of us can fix it.
No man can fix it.
Every thing made by man dies. Valar Marghulis. It fails. It goes away. Ozymandias and all that shit.
Just let it go.

Accept your country is dying and you can’t stop it.
It’s Rome.
It’s the Romanovs.
It’s the Qing dynasty.
It’s Perestroika.
Too little, too late.
Nothing you do will change it. You can rail against it, but nothing will change. You might as well yell at the tide.

Yeah, I want justice to triumph and evil to be punished. But it won’t happen. I think many of us believe this. If Q doesn’t exist, he would probably be invented. I think Q is a mythic character created from the same inchoate rage and patriotic idealism I feel which is betrayed and invalidated by the squalid reality we see every day. He’s Archibald Tuttle, the renegade AC guy from Brazil, out fighting the system for all the Sam Lowry’s stuck in their dead-end existences.

Reforms never work when attempted from within, because the system can’t tolerate them. Status Quo will not permit anything which erodes Status Quo. Revolution or Collapse are the only two ways the system can be changed.

Voting won’t change it. Twain said if it worked, we wouldn’t be allowed to do it.
Writing Congress won’t help. I believe Princeton or Stanford showed the public will lost 99% of the time to the moneyed interests.
Protesting won’t do anything-they just put you in your little free speech zone to be ignored.
Waiting for the Man on Horseback is unlikely to turn out the way you hope. I fear the paroxysms of rage and violence that will probably attend to the collapse. I assume we’ll look like Yugoslavia.

Just give up. Live your life. Get what you can out of it and accept the system is in its sunset years. It might go today or in a decade, but it will go. It can’t be sustained. Watch your George Carlin. Read America’s Man on Hroseback and the 4th Turning and Embrace the Decline. Read about Rome’s collapse. Read Kipling’s The Mother Hive. Read Dmitri Orlov. Try to go through your 5 stages of grief and let it go. Get your shit together. Have a beer.

Like I said elsewhere- if Q is real and they really do try to change the system, what good will it do if 320+ million Americans are still fat, dumb, lazy socialists who expect a handout and entertainment? What will change the next day when they look for the Klinton or Bush or Soetero replacement to offer them free medical care or free education or the free living wage or whatever the next frontier will be in entitlement giveaways? Don’t forget-a whole lot of those people on both sides of the aisle support and benefit from the corruption. They accept it and use it. They’ll be looking for new people to bribe and work with once the old ones are gone. And of course we have no idea how many of Trump’s own associates will be left untouched by this sweep, leaving at least some swamp in place. And again, assuming this attempt at reform will fail, I believe it opens the door to future purges.

I believe the system is doomed at this point to collapse. Either the economy or the gaping split in our culture or something else; the country’s days are numbered. So even if they go to purge us of the bad guys, I don’t think it will matter. If it really happened, it might even be the last nudge to start the civil war. “See! Trump is a fascist who locks up his opponents! WAAAARGH!”

I still read the news, still follow what’s happening, still get outraged on a daily basis, but I try to remember that ultimately we’re masterbating, because it doesn’t really matter. Q is probably wishful thinking. If the Qspiracy is really happening, it’s probably illegal and it’s probably not going to turn out well for us in the end. Either way, you and I can’t change it. And rearranging the assholes at the top of the heap will not change the underlying flaws in the system.

If I am wrong you can have the first whack at me. I will acknowledge my failure as a prognosticator. But cynicism and pessimism have rarely let me down before when it comes to my fellow man. Supposedly, the action is about to ramp up, right? So maybe this week will be exciting.

Gator
Gator

I agree, but your view isn’t likely to gain much traction here. I’ve noticed the same thing on ZH comment threads lately. As long as its being done to Clinton et al, they are OK with it. Not a thought in the world that these actions, if true, might one day be used against them. I remember when Harry Reid evoked the ‘nuclear option’ in the senate, and hearing about how awesome it will be when the shoe is on the other foot. Now, they are cheering something orders of magnitude worse, and not considering the future. I don’t argue with them anymore, its pointless.

For the record, I don’t believe any of that is actually happening, so I’m mainly speaking in the abstract.

Suzanna
Suzanna

oh BS…all that was done to countless people…
the constitution was suspended because we are in
a war against “terrorism”…more BS. The big time pols
and bankers loved those “new” laws because “terrorism”.
Now we can use their laws against the real crooks.
then we end the terrorism war and the constitution gets
reassigned. Simple. Easy-peasy.

Edit=this response is to a comment 5-6 up, someone
worried about the constitution.

Stucky

You could employ more paragraph breaks for easier reading.

Other than that, you raise great questions and make geat observations.

Suzanna
Suzanna

GilbertS,
those dictator examples you gave have been in place since
2001. Bush II ratified them, and O tightened them up. How many
people has the HC clan killed? How many kids go missing in the US
these days? 800k…just runaways or are they snatched? Do you know
what really happened to Jean Bennet Ramsey? I hope the bad guys
are given an Islamic funeral…just like O bin Laden. There is zero
integrity in gov now. Who cares if Trump disposes of some slime
people? The next generations will thank us!

GilbertS
GilbertS

Look, I’m happy to see evil get punished, but I think you need to start asking some uncomfortable questions. How do you do it? Who gets singled out? Where do you stop? How far do you cast the net? And what happens next? How do you prevent it happening to you next? Today, you believe it’s “slime people.” OK, they all get it in the neck. What happens after that? It could be NRA members, alt right, Koch Bros, Limbaugh and Michael Savage, and John Birchers next time. Does that not bother you? I don’t cry for the bad guys, but you might be on the next list.

Once you legitimize this, you’re tossing out everything I assume you believe in about this Republic, no matter how faded. Are we a nation of laws, or a nation of Might Makes Right? The other side probably has lists and lists of people on our side they would love to “Get.” Using our system to purge one side begs the other to do the same. And we already know they did it under Klinton (415 FBI files on political enemies) and the Soetero regime (IRS used to target repubes) and how it inflamed conservatives. We’ve been talking on this site about a coming Civil War. Can anything better represent this Civil War than the parties weaponizing the government against each other? Sounds like the 255 Days book series to me.

This idea sounds like it was ripped out of Guy Odom’s book, America’s Man on Horseback, part of which describes a future president holding a nation-wide purge of those perceived as the most corrupt in the country. Odom recommends the future president even target famies and descendants of famous corrupt and criminal leaders and toss out the traditional Constipational rules against Bills of Attainder and the idea of “corruption of blood” so the nation can enjoy a moment of national catharsis. The only thing he cautions is letting the bloodbath get out of control as the people undertake wholesale murder to settle scores. Ever read Unintended Consequences? Great book-author describes a nation-wide pogrom against govt employees that gets out of hand fast.

James the Wanderer

I think you have a decent, moral basis of your own, and want to believe the same of your enemies in the Deep State.
But these people ARE lawbreakers – there are laws against pedophilia, theft, fraud (including CHARITY fraud), and so on and so on. YOUR judiciary is involved (sealed indictments); your legal and law enforcement machinery is involved (at least, the uncorrupted ones). Corrupt ones are being isolated and ferreted out; corruption at all levels is being rooted out.
Maybe this is the real clash of civilization – between those who have _restraint_, and those who do not. I would never molest a child – but there is apparently cold, hard evidence that there are those who do. I don’t use addictive drugs, steal and lie, victimize the poor and elderly – but apparently there are those who do, all throughout the government (both parties) and elsewhere. There’s a whole bandwidth of behavior I don’t indulge in, but there are those who do.
You are asking “where does it stop” when we don’t know how deep it goes. You are demanding we extend protections to those who would deny them to you. Fair enough; each should have a trial, fair and impartial, with all the evidence publicly shown. Your real objection seems to be that apprehension is not being done according to previous methods.
But the laws being used to justify these apprehensions were written, debated (somewhat) and passed by the same legislators as usual. The laws themselves may be bad, deluded, wrongheaded, subject to abuse and liable to be overturned on first appeal that reaches SCOTUS.
But right now, the Patriot Act, NDAA and so on ARE the law of the land, because they HAVEN’T been appealed and overturned. What are you objecting to?
Trump may be overstepping even the strictures of these acts. He may be setting a horrible precedent. We all may regret what he is doing.
But for some reason, right now those he is pursuing are the same ones that want to oppress us, steal from us, hurt our children and kill us. It may be a bad idea and come back to bite us, but then right now we are ALREADY being bitten.
Just ask Vince Foster; wait, he’s dead, you can’t. Maybe Ron Brown. Vicky Weaver? The Branch Davidians? Lavoy Finicum? The list of “Arkancide” victims? Corey Heim? Seth Rich? …
Abuse of power and corruption under “color of law” are as old as power and law. Sometimes you have to clean out a sewer, and the answer to “where does it stop?” is “when the sewer is clean”.

GilbertS
GilbertS

Allegedly. No proof any of this is actually happening.

But the info from 8chan has included some pretty disturbing claims, such as Trump somehow declaring some form of martial law allowing the military to be turned on these people and the use of military intelligence to collect on them (wayyyy illegal), cutting out the FBI and other agencies. THAT is not what we’re talking about with a “legal” tool, such as Patriot Act.
One claim I saw said we were putting these people in secret prisons on Navy ships off shore. Another said Diego Garcia was the new Gitmo. Neither of these seem like legit US legal procedure, do they? And claims included Trump is surrounding himself only with USMC generals and the military is somehow above corruption (sounds naive to me). Does that sound like legal procedure to you?
So if that is what is actually happening, it don’t sound like the system I was raised to believe in. And it sounds like a dictatorship. That should scare you. Because, as I said, this time the targets are your enemies. Next time it could be you and me.

I don’t like these people and I wouldn’t trust them. I’m all for punishing evil and if you can prove these people are pedos, fine. But most of the “evidence” I’ve seen so far, while very interesting to me, has not been what most people would believe meets that reasonable man bar. For instance, the pizzagate stuff was not exactly an airtight legal case.

Now on another note, if this is actually happening, and it’s following a completely different track, like legit law enforcement and legal procedure, I’m all for it. Just follow the law and follow the COnstipation.
Re Patriot Act- I haven’t seen anyone reference it prior to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act
Based on this, I think the first major hurdle is making the pedo/corruption case amounts to terrorism. Title III does appear valid from the money laundering angle and corruption angle, but I’m not clear in my brief scan if there needs to be a terror connection.

The stuff I saw on 8chan didn’t seem to be dealing with corrupt individuals who are being identified, charged with crimes, and tried. They involve random clues and cryptic homework assignments to link the Hindinberg and the TItanic, the Jews, Hitler, random current events, who actually runs North Korea, and whatever else. Hard to see how that fulfills the Patriot Act or any legal route to justice.

If Trump wants to clean house legally, I’m all for it. End the Gentleman’s Agreement to not focus on leaders and wealthy. Hold them up as examples to us all. Hell, let’s litigate all the terdz from the 2008 economic collapse. Just do it by the book instead of via some NKVD style purge.

James the Wanderer

There appears to be a limit to “replies”, and I hit it on one of yours above. But OK; I think we’re close enough to quit arguing.
Remember that John Adams quote about “for a just and moral people, and totally unsuited to any other”. Now review any ten Miley Cyrus videos and tell me what kind of people we are these days …
I want it done by the book, so no one can claim a loophole to escape justice. We’ll see how it’s actually done; plenty of time for back-seat driving later.
If it does avoid going totally to hell and chaos I’ll buy you a drink on the other side.

GilbertS
GilbertS

OK man, nice talking. I would be pleased to share a drink, especially if I’m wrong. Happy New Year.

GilbertS
GilbertS

Also, Iran should be no surprise. It’s not proof of a conspiracy-that country has been straining against its weirdbeard-imposed shackles for a long time. Their boomers forced them into shackles 40 years ago and now they’re finally starting to break out of them. There are rebel groups and opposition parties in Iran, you just don’t hear about them. Iran took advantage of the chaos in Iraq to engineer Iraq in their image, but the opposite also holds and their enemies have taken advantage of the chaos next door in Iraq to cause trouble in Iran, too. I hope the Iranians finally free themselves of their retarded muslim leaders and start joining the modern world.

Here is a list of political parties in Iran, if you’re interested. Note the many ethnic and secessionist and banned ones and please note with interest how many are active overseas, especially in neighboring Iraq.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_Iran

Also, I think I’ve posted it before, but it’s worth seeing again- TED talk about peace between Israel and Iran. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lp-NMaU0r8

Suzanna
Suzanna

Gil,

Did you know Iran is also being flooded with heroin? I mean
as we are? Docs gave out opiates left and right. Now you can’t get
a lousy pill after surgery. No, go get you some heroin. Fund the
CIA/MIC black ops.

GilbertS
GilbertS

No, I did not. If that’s true, that’s interesting.
http://beta.latimes.com/world/la-fg-iran-drug-addiction-2016-story.html I read this as a result. Interesting to see their culture suffering fro the same problems as our own.
But why did you tell me to get heroin?

James the Wanderer

I believe Suzanna is decrying the backlash-reaction of strict dispensary controls to the opioid abuse epidemic. As a result of opiate abuse, valid requirements (such as pain control, end-of-life palliation) are restricted to X-pills-a-day limits even when the pain is still there; one size does not fit all, but bureaucrats must have their black-and-white-guidelines to function. I think Suzanna is referring to this.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Mary, we have chased off a few noobs since you got here. That’s just the way it is. I suspect the reason you were allowed to stay is that you led with an interesting topic – boobs. I recall a time when SSS was tickled with a noob who criticized another’s comment; ‘ I could type a better response with my tits.’
I’ve been here a while and I still only have a short list of reasons a noob makes it: intelligence, interesting comments, thick skin, repartee, written essays, crude jokes, racist jokes, etc.
Social justice warriors, snowflakes, limp dicks, Hillarites, and a host of others don’t make it because they want to dominate the discussion and insist on being right.
Like I said, my list is short, I still don’t know the unwritten rules but I know that a person who is unwilling to fight back is a person not long for this blog.

Mary Christine

EC, I still take a deep breath before I read any replies to what I post. Hostility is not a part of my make up. I try to pick by battles carefully.

bumpkin
bumpkin

i still don’t understand what john de lancie has to do with any of this.

BL
BL
Zarathustra

If (the likely scenario), the CIA, Mossad and whomever else are behind the unrest in Iran it is not to free the Iranian people but rather to fracture the society and lead to chaos and perhaps civil war. They have zero interest in a free, secular and prosperous Iran. The Saudis are terrified of such a prospect. Israel wants to be the big dog. What both want is to turn Iran into the next Syria, Libya and Iraq…a bombed out ruin.

Art
Art

I agree with you. I think if the situation in Iran is authentic, meaning without outside influence, then let them work it out themselves. It’s no one else’s business. If the 3 mentioned, SA, USA, and Israel get involved then Iran will be turned into another 3rd world shithole. From what I’ve read, life in Iran was brutal under the leadership of the Shah (thanks USA for installing him)could life under the mullah’s really be worse?

Doc Raydio
Doc Raydio

Art:

Quite the opposite.

Research life in Iran pre-revolution ala 1980. It was a modern secular society much like Lebanon and Syria, very much like the west. It was the religious revolution that instilled Sharia law and turned it into a brutal tyranny.

I do agree with you, however, that we should stay out of it and let them settle their own problem the way that they see fit.

Zarathustra

Doc, if it were that simple then if the Shah’s son, Reza, showed up on the streets of Tehran he would be viewed as a liberator. Most likely he would be killed on sight (and he really isn’t a bad guy). I would support Reza Pahlavi as a constitutional monarch. But then for all of this flaws, I liked his dad too.

Iran is fucking complicated. I’ve been there, I think I understand it pretty well, but I really don’t understand it at all. Even the Iranians I know don’t understand it…they all have their own take, based on their background and interests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kySR3fpa5s

Suzanna
Suzanna

the talk about a terrible life “under the Shah” is BS
propaganda! The people went from a buck a day to much
more. Education was allowed and provided. Women were
free to get education and jobs and the black bag for clothing
disappeared. We can’t believe anything the “news” people
tell us. Rick Steves (PBS) visited Iran many times and interviewed
people and wrote about Iran…it was a wonderful hopeful place
(some areas) and may still be. People are sick of the dark ages.

Unknown
Unknown

The questions posed in the penultimate paragraph of the above piece are pretty profound; and ones I have considered as well. Other than ongoing weak accusations in the russophobic lamestream media, Trump’s opposition has been strangely subdued.

It really does feel like a calm before the storm of sorts.

But this could be indicative of the forthcoming avalanche cascading down the mountain into camps on either side; the cautious optimists who have placed their hopes in Q / Trump – or – the global power brokers, their minions, and the cynical skeptics. Only one side will survive (i.e – be correct / not get buried). The unknown remains who and when

Boo Radley
Boo Radley

Stucky says:
December 31, 2017 at 3:04 pm
You could employ more paragraph breaks for easier reading.
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Thank you! I wish it could be every contributor’s New Year’s resolution #1, 2 & 3.

Ottomatik
Ottomatik

It was strange, dominating the news cycle early this morn, my elderly mother lives in front of network tv and her take was: the fallen officers dad was present or nearby, an officer as well and that was the impetus for shutting down all of the highways and escorting his body from south denver to castle rock.

The entire event was strange, prima facia; looks like domestic violence gone wrong and several officers down.

Ottomatik
Ottomatik

Everyone was told to shelter in place and stay out of the windows for like a 10 mile radius, all roadways and highways shut down.

GilbertS
GilbertS

Sorry, but I don’t think you got the truth on the ANA flight 175. It looks like the plane was turned 4 hours into it when they discovered a United passenger had sneaked on and taken an empty seat. Apparently, the 20-something asshat wanted to sneak on to ride with his brother. Only 1 person was reportedly detained. No charges at this time, either. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ana-flight-175-u-turn-lax-former-airline-captain-questions-safety/
Chrissy Tiegen(never heard of her) was apparently on board. “Why did we all get punished for this one person’s mistake? Why not just land in Tokyo and send the other person back? How is this the better idea, you ask? We all have the same questions.”
— christine teigen (@chrissyteigen) December 27, 2017
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/all-nippon-airways-tweets-apology-chrissy-teigen-tokyo-bound-flight-returned-to-lax/
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/nh175#ff2bfc0 Radar track if you care.

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