UNCOLA QUESTIONS: Contesting the real consequences of ideologies and orthodoxies:

Well, it looks like the vagina-hat-wearing folks who advocate for middle-aged cross-dressing she-males sharing bathrooms with our daughters is upset by the word “shithole”. Now, Senator Dick Durbin (D-Illinois) has objected to the term “chain migration”.

Have you ever noticed how the mainstream corporate media and Political Left, in the shameless pursuit of power, insincerely and hypocritically use language to enforce their orthodoxies and control the free speech and actions of their political opponents?

What is the best way for this tactic to be effectively fought?

The only methods I can think of right now are words, votes, or bullets.  Are there other ways?

Author: Uncola

I am one who has found the road less traveled while remaining a whiskered, whispering witness to the world. I hope what you just considered was worth the price and time spent. www.TheTollOnline.com

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TS
TS
January 12, 2018 3:12 pm

The key word is effectively. What are the results desired? My guess is that generally everyone, at least in this forum, wants to be left alone in any decent endeavor to just live their lives, and do as well as possible for themselves and their families. However that looks to each one.

Words – non-effective. We, or you if I’m seen as full of shit, are so marginalized at this point that our words will never reach enough of the right people to accomplish anything of real worth. Doesn’t mean to stop talking, just face the reality.

Votes – some small difference, but half the people in this country would still vote for Mistress von Nasty, or any derivative thereof. Given time we might eventually be able to restore health. Does anybody really believe we have decades to turn this around?

Bullets – very effective in their way, but once the 1st bullet flies, all plans and prognostication go right out the window. It would definitely stop that particular insanity, but the end results could very well be even more catastrophic. To the winner goes the power. Who, actually, would end up top dog?

What is another strategy? I just don’t know. For me personally, I pray. A lot. I face reality as I can best recognize it. I prepare for any eventuality as best I can. People have been dying and living under harsh conditions for 1000s of years. Ain’t nuthin’ new.
Too many things piling on too fast. I realize something unexpected could – usually does – pop up. So, be flexible.
You never know what the tide might bring in.

Stucky
  TS
January 12, 2018 6:00 pm

Pine Box.

TS
TS
  Stucky
January 12, 2018 6:23 pm

Lol, that’s what I was thinking on MadMike’s ‘4 boxes’ comment.

Stubb
Stubb
January 12, 2018 3:22 pm

Humor?

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TS
TS
  Stubb
January 12, 2018 3:29 pm

LOL, Miss Piggy.

i forget
i forget
January 12, 2018 3:27 pm

I’ve noticed that language has insincerity built right into it.

Whirreds is pale rider vibes that get taken seriously as representatives, duly elected, & synonymous with actual things. Which, of course, they ain’t.

I don’t tilt at whirrds. I might play with them. On hot days, I might let the milling whirreds fan me. Or pump up some cool water to drink.

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“Fritz Mauthner: “The need for peace seduces the human mind into seeing the mirage of a resting-place in the desert of its striving for knowledge; the scholars believe in their linguistic roots. At all times & in all places, the science of a particular time is the expression of the poor human spirit’s wistful desire for rest. Only critique – wherever it is still alive in even poorer heads – may not rest, for it cannot rest. It must rudely awaken science, remove its illusion of an oasis, & drive it further along on the hot, deadly, & possibly aimless desert paths.”

Wittgenstein’s goal was a resting-place of the sort Mauthner describes. Even in the Tractatus, Wittgenstein seemed to be looking to philosophy as a therapy that would release him from doubt. In his later work he campaigned incessantly against skepticism, not by developing an alternative philosophical position – the later Wittgenstein claimed to have no such positions – but by claiming that skeptical questioning resulted from mistaken ways of thinking about words. Ordinary language was a form of life that needed — & permitted – nothing beyond itself. Humans were figures in a world they had themselves made. Peace – the peace that Wittgenstein fantasized he would enjoy when he could give up philosophy – meant accepting that this human world is all there ever can be.

Mauthner’s work also had a therapeutic goal, but not that of finding peace by stilling doubt. Like Hulme & Beckett a radical nomnalist, Mauthner wanted to loosen the hold of words on the mind. Rather than struggling to silence the impulse to move beyond words, he wanted to follow the impulse wherever it led. His writings on mysticism show where that led him. An uncompromising atheist & author of a four-volume history of atheist thinking, Mauthner noted that ‘atheism’ – like ‘god’ – is only a word. His atheism has nothing in common with the evangelical unbelief of his day or ours. In a pure form, atheism is no more to do with unbelief than religion is about belief. Strictly understood, atheism is an entirely negative position. You are not an atheist if you deny what theists affirm. You are an atheist if you have no use for the concepts & doctrines of theism.

Atheism of this rigorous kind has something in common with negative theology, which denies that god can be captured in ideas or beliefs. Mauthner admired Meister Eckhart, a 14th century Christian mystic who died in obscure circumstances after being subjected to trial by the Inquisition, as a true atheist, since Eckhart insisted that nothing could be said of god – not even that god existed.

Negative theologians used language as Mauthner thought it should be used: to point to something (not a thing in any ordinary sense) that cannot be expressed in words. If only that is real which can be captured in language, god is unreal. But it is not only ‘god’ that is unreal in this way. So are all general terms including ‘matter’ & ‘humanity’ – abstractions that have featured in the catechisms of unbelief. Atheism does not mean rejecting ‘belief in god’. It means giving up belief in language as anything other than a practical convenience. The world is not a creation of language, but something that – like the god of the negative theologians – escapes language. Atheism is only a stage on the way to a more far-reaching skepticism.

Mauthner called this view – ‘just in order to have a word-symbol’ – godless mysticism. What he was trying to articulate could not be expressed in language. That did not men there was nothing to express. In the Tractatus (7.7), Wittgenstein famously declared, ‘Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.’ Given the view of language he later developed, there was nothing for Wittgenstein to be silent about. For Mauthner, otoh, what could not be spoken was more important than anything that could be put into words.

Godless mystics do not look to merge themselves with something larger they have imagined into being; the look to wipe away their inexistent selves. In John Ashbery’s words:

The sands are frantic
In the hourglass. But there is time
To change, to utterly destroy
That too-familiar image
Lurking in the glass
Each morning, at the edge of the mirror.”

“The Silence of Animals” – John Gray

Wordtheists will say ‘apostasy’ or ‘blasphemy’…but those are just words. ☻

Vodka
Vodka
  i forget
January 12, 2018 5:36 pm

Sorry, i forget, but this world has an ‘owner’. When you can finally wrap your mind around that fact then you might have something worthwhile to say. When you refuse to acknowledge God, your words become mere gibberish. You are obviously not “well read”.

Chubby Bubbles
Chubby Bubbles
  Vodka
January 12, 2018 7:11 pm

Nah, “In the Beginning, there was The Word”… and it all went basically downhill from there.

Vodka
Vodka
  Chubby Bubbles
January 12, 2018 7:24 pm

??

TS
TS
  Chubby Bubbles
January 12, 2018 8:31 pm

Actually it all went downhill when “Did God really say..” was spoken.

i forget
i forget
  Vodka
January 12, 2018 7:47 pm

If you mean I haven’t read in a well, congrats, you finally got something right.

There’s no business like show business & goderish gibberish is the original show business. (You might as well say Harvey Weinstein own’s ya’.)

Vodka
Vodka
  i forget
January 12, 2018 7:58 pm

Cut back on the meth. Your high-flyin’ ‘thoughts’ bring only circumspect to the reader. A true fact. You’re welcome.

i forget
i forget
  Vodka
January 13, 2018 2:10 pm

Anything outside the narrow comfort of your standardized groove is suspicious, but my jots (rhymes blots, Rorschach) don’t bring you anything, vod. What you show\tell was dealt you long before we ever crossed paths. My jots are not the source of your discomfort.

You assist in the point, tho. King’s English – diluted through Flesch-Kincaid & parliamentary grammarianism – & god’s word – as pronounced by self-proclaimed representatives – will be looked up to, toadied up to, shall be idols to prostrate by, else, clearly you’re dealing with a meth-head & ‘circumspection’ is natural response.

“See what you made me do.” Said the doer to the twinky. (Sometimes the twinky is a wafer.) The ‘pastry’ patsy’d me, coerced me, said the doer to the jurors. It fits, we must acquits, said the peers.

There is a spring-loaded madness to that meth\od.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  i forget
January 12, 2018 6:34 pm

And yet you felt compelled to relate your thoughts in words.

i forget
i forget
  hardscrabble farmer
January 12, 2018 7:37 pm

Is a take it with a grain of salt perspective paradoxical, then? In the beginning, indeed…& they’ve been oversold – & overbought – ever since.

I do feel compelled to read Mauthner’s stuff, tho. And to continue diversifying my day with little whirrd breaks.

i forget
i forget
  hardscrabble farmer
January 13, 2018 2:08 pm

Fly to heavyweight hierarchy of deeds : the words → the speaker\writer → the listener\reader.

Physiognomy not so much, but actions, motives, the wafts between the whirreds (or that are available, possibly, if\after the training-wheels words come off) . Came across this a.m.:

https://medium.com/@blaisea/physiognomys-new-clothes-f2d4b59fdd6a

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  i forget
January 13, 2018 2:23 pm

Typical prog-speak anti-intellectual drivel.

“The practice of using people’s outer appearance to infer inner character is called physiognomy. While today it is understood to be pseudoscience, the folk belief that there are inferior “types” of people, identifiable by their facial features and body measurements, has at various times been codified into country-wide law, providing a basis to acquire land, block immigration, justify slavery, and permit genocide. When put into practice, the pseudoscience of physiognomy becomes the pseudoscience of scientific racism.”

By that measure it would be scientifically unwise for a doctor to examine a patient to determine, say if he had jaundice. His physical appearance- coloring for example- is pseudo-science.

What a pantload.

Physiognomy is real.

i forget
i forget
  hardscrabble farmer
January 13, 2018 3:08 pm

Actuarial tables won’t – can’t – tell you who\what individuals in advance, but if you’re selling insurance, that’s not necessary to know.

Poker odds don’t create hands dealt & drawn in advance, but still good to know if you’re going to take a seat.

All swans aren’t white even if most of them are.

‘Pre-crime’ was a fun science fiction story, played by a scientologist.

Jaundice is a symptom. But mellow yellow Asian melanin ain’t. Neither are facial ratios, etc, one was born with.

Case by individual case. Innocent til proven otherwise. It is more work, but hardscrabble types ain’t afraid of work, right? I know I’m not afraid to work.

Sales mgr used to drill: qualification’s one thing. & it’s worthwhile, too.

But pre-judging is something else. Don’t do it. I confirmed this experientially, in spades.

You don’t know until after the fact. Wanting to know in advance is a trap. Needing to know in advance is jonesing. Believing that you do know in advance is delusion.

Or a pantload. ☻

RCW
RCW
  i forget
January 12, 2018 7:50 pm

Remind me again whose column is this; I’ve forgotten.

i forget
i forget
  RCW
January 13, 2018 2:11 pm

The comments are the columns that support the stage.

bigfoot loves a good crypto
bigfoot loves a good crypto
  i forget
January 14, 2018 3:09 pm

Can you say anything that is not gibberish?

i forget
i forget
  bigfoot loves a good crypto
January 14, 2018 3:17 pm

Yes. It’s all Greek to Sasquatch, of course.

bigfoot loves a good crypto
bigfoot loves a good crypto
  i forget
January 14, 2018 6:07 pm

Mosquitoes bother me sometimes. Would you mind boiling down your brain so I could use it as repellant?

i forget
i forget
  bigfoot loves a good crypto
January 14, 2018 6:27 pm

Yeah, my brain would mind that. How ‘bout I just use it, on behalf of your idle one?

Sasquatch is a hairy mess. No skeeters could get thru that tangled thatch.

A bitcoin wooly bully pulpeteer could even afford to throw a skeeter net stocking over all that wookieeness, if he doesn’t wait too long…all Sam the Sham tunes gotta’ end sometime.

nkit
nkit
January 12, 2018 3:30 pm

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RiNS
RiNS
January 12, 2018 3:33 pm

So EC sez that El Salvador isn’t a shit hole. Probably right as it does have nice beaches.

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It didn’t make sense so I looked into it further. Turns out the reason that country got lumped in Haiti and the ever ongoing shitshow that is Africa is because of natural disaster.

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From 16 fucken years ago… for FUCK SAKES! If that country still ain’t fixed well…
it might be a shithole..

Donald Trump is the Jeff Foxworthy of politicians

As for Dick Durban he is a disgrace to Dicks. SAD!

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 12, 2018 3:35 pm

Best way to fight it?

Demand specifics and don’t let yourself be diverted from that demand by accusatory changes in subject.

If someone addresses a question with a change of subject to divert from its subject, return to the subject by asking why there was no answer to the question. And. Phrase both your questions and responses as narrowly as possible to avoid wiggle room that can be used to evade a strait answer.

Mustang
Mustang
January 12, 2018 3:55 pm

Dick Durbin is a mentally ill and emotionally disturbed Liberal! That isn’t the only outrageous and assinine thing he has said.

MadMike
MadMike
January 12, 2018 4:22 pm

“There are four boxes to use in the defense of Liberty:
The Soap Box, the Ballot Box, the Jury Box, and the Cartridge Box.
Please use them in that order.”
The first known version of this is attributed to William F. Butler or Frederick Douglass in November 1867

Since then the Soap box has become fake news, the Ballot box has been stuffed and corrupted, the Jury box has suffered from judicial activism, and the Cartridge box is thoroughly regulated…
Now what?

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
January 12, 2018 4:28 pm

Haiti IS a SHITHOLE.

Here’s a picture of a part of Haiti BEFORE the earthquake (from a site with a few before/after photos if you want to check – https://ahmadalikarim.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/before-and-after-earthquake-in-haiti-pictures/

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Here’s another before:
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Here’s a nice before/after comparison:
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SHITHOLE BEFORE, SHITHOLE NOW. Deal with it. The hundreds of millions the Clinton Crime Family and the Red Cross STOLE from the relief funds might have done some good, but fundamentally this country and so many others around the globe are the way they are because they have even worse governments than we do and because western nations have played a part in raping the economies of these nations on behalf of the globalists. We most certainly don’t need more folks from these countries coming to the US to parasitically live off the hard work of Americans nor do we need them coming here to vote for more of the same horrible policies that helped destroy the nations they came from. We have enough problems with the republicans and democrats who already vote.

wholy1
wholy1
January 12, 2018 5:40 pm

YES: GATHERed, GUNned, GARDENed, PROVISIONed and . . . S-I-M-P-L-I-F-I-E-D!

wholy1
wholy1
January 12, 2018 5:52 pm

YES: GROUNDed, GATHERed, GUNned, GARDENed,PROVISIONed and S-I-M-P-L-I-F-I-E-D on a portion of inland, elevated, RURAL, arable, UN-encumbered/UN-addressed county dirt.

Centurion44
Centurion44
January 12, 2018 6:00 pm

Dick Durban has always been “six bricks short of a load”, typical dimorat.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 12, 2018 7:27 pm

“What is the best way for this tactic to be effectively fought?”

Communication first. Stand your ground second.

Followers of the Left have stopped criticizing their leaders in a constructive manner. The Left’s corruptive leaders are praised. Many followers of the Left fear being a target of their own leaders’ outrage and/or tolerate the actions of misleading leaders.

“End of Discussion: How the Left’s Outrage Industry Shuts Down Debate, Manipulates Voters, and Makes America Less Free (and Fun)”

How can reasonable discussions occur regarding the impact of importing poverty into the US, when the Left has only the goal of demonstrating outrage? With their inability to communicate effectively, followers of the Left have not an idea what the expectation of Americans First means in terms of civil blowback.

“Importing Poverty: Immigration and Poverty in the United States: A Book of Charts” (2006)

October Sky
(I forgot to add my username.)

RHS Jr
RHS Jr
January 12, 2018 9:03 pm

What to do? Keep your eyes on God, pray, prep, teach, vote etc. TPTB have been attacking Christianity and God got fed up with their Wickedness, Corruption, Illuminati, Abortions, Pedophilia, Child Sacrifice, etc so God raised Trump up to restore America to what God intended. TPTB are doomed (Rev 6). God said Natural Disasters will happen (Mark Taylor said a volcano will be at the start of the Tribulation) but it will result in God’s Army of Righteous Followers rising up to accomplish great things. If you haven’t gotten an assignment yet, it’s coming!

JLW
JLW
January 13, 2018 11:03 am

Low brow, I admit but every time I hear ‘Dick Durban’, I think it sounds like some sort of perverted sexual act, as in; “all that pervert wants to do all day is start a dick durban”.

Maggie
Maggie
  JLW
January 13, 2018 2:32 pm

And, in some cultures, a dick durban is recommended for uncircumcised men to provide “cover.”

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
January 13, 2018 2:35 pm

And don’t ANYBODY (BW) get your panties in a wad because I’m allowed to say any inane thing on Uncriticalofmags’ post I want to.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
January 14, 2018 3:41 pm

Thanks for the validation.

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