This Civil War – My South Carolina Tea Party Convention Speech

By Daniel Greenfield

(The following is the speech that I delivered this Sunday at the South Carolina Tea Party Coalition Convention in Myrtle Beach. My appreciation to Joe Dugan and everyone involved in organizing it and making it a reality once again. And to Don Neuen and Donna Fiducia of Cowboy Logic Radio for the introduction. And to anyone and everyone still fighting the good fight.)

This is a civil war.

There aren’t any soldiers marching on Charleston… or Myrtle Beach. Nobody’s getting shot in the streets. Except in Chicago… and Baltimore, Detroit and Washington D.C.

But that’s not a civil war. It’s just what happens when Democrats run a city into the ground. And then they dig a hole in the ground so they can bury it even deeper.

If you look deep enough into that great big Democrat hole, you might even see where Jimmy Hoffa is buried.

But it’s not guns that make a civil war. It’s politics.

Guns are how a civil war ends. Politics is how it begins.

How do civil wars happen?

Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can’t settle the question through elections because they don’t even agree that elections are how you decide who’s in charge.

That’s the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.

I know you’re all thinking about President Trump.

He won and the establishment, the media, the democrats, rejected the results. They came up with a whole bunch of conspiracy theories to explain why he didn’t really win. It was the Russians. And the FBI. And sexism, Obama, Bernie Sanders and white people.

It’s easier to make a list of the things that Hillary Clinton doesn’t blame for losing the election. It’s going to be a short list.

A really short list. Herself.

The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it’s not the first time they’ve done this.

The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn’t really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There’s a pattern here.

Trump didn’t really win the election. Bush didn’t really win the election. Every time a Republican president won an election this century, the Democrats insist he didn’t really win.

Now say a third Republican president wins an election in say, 2024.

What are the odds that they’ll say that he didn’t really win? Right now, it looks like 100 percent.

What do sure odds of the Dems rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don’t accept the results of any election that they don’t win.

It means they don’t believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.

That’s a civil war.

There’s no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.

This isn’t dissent. It’s not disagreement.

You can hate the other party. You can think they’re the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election. When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don’t win, what you want is a dictatorship.

Your very own dictatorship.

The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to the left, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it’s inherently illegitimate.

The attacks on Trump show that elections don’t matter to the left.

Republicans can win an election, but they have a major flaw. They’re not leftists.

That’s what the leftist dictatorship looks like.

The left lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats.

Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can’t scratch his own back without his say so, that’s the civil war.

Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that’s not the system that runs this country.

The left’s system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.

If it’s in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. His power is unlimited.

He’s a dictator.

But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can’t do anything. He isn’t even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented.

A Democrat in the White House has “discretion” to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn’t even have the “discretion” to reverse him.

That’s how the game is played. That’s how our country is run.

When Democrats control the Senate, then Harry Reid and his boys and girls are the sane, wise heads that keep the crazy guys in the House in check.

But when Republicans control the Senate, then it’s an outmoded body inspired by racism.

When Democrats run the Supreme Court, then it has the power to decide everything in the country. But when Republicans control the Supreme Court, it’s a dangerous body that no one should pay attention to.

When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren’t even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws.

Under Obama, a state wasn’t allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission. But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.

The Constitution has something to say about that.

Whether it’s Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land.

This is what I call a moving dictatorship.

There isn’t one guy in a room somewhere issuing the orders. Instead there’s a network of them. And the network moves around.

If the guys and girls in the network win elections, they can do it from the White House. If they lose the White House, they’ll do it from Congress. If they don’t have either one, they’ll use the Supreme Court.

If they don’t have either the White House, Congress or the Supreme Court, they’re screwed. Right?

Nope.

They just go on issuing them through circuit courts and the bureaucracy. State governments announce that they’re independent republics. Corporations begin threatening and suing the government.

There’s no consistent legal standard. Only a political one.

Under Obama, states weren’t allowed to enforce immigration laws. That was the job of the Federal government. And the states weren’t allowed to interfere with the job that the Feds weren’t doing.

Okay.

Now Trump comes into office and starts enforcing immigration laws again. And California announces it’s a sanctuary state and passes a law punishing businesses that cooperate with Federal immigration enforcement.

So what do we have here?

It’s illegal for states to enforce immigration law because that’s the province of the Federal government. But it’s legal for states to ban the Federal government from enforcing immigration law.

The only consistent pattern here is that the left decided to make it illegal to enforce immigration law.

It may do that sometimes under the guise of Federal power or states rights. But those are just fronts. The only consistent thing is that leftist policies are mandatory and opposing them is illegal.

Everything else is just a song and dance routine.

That’s how it works. It’s the moving dictatorship. It’s the tyranny of the network.

You can’t pin it down. There’s no one office or one guy. It’s a network of them. It’s an ideological dictatorship. Some people call it the deep state. But that doesn’t even begin to capture what it is.

To understand it, you have to think about things like the Cold War and Communist infiltration.

A better term than Deep State is Shadow Government.

Parts of the Shadow Government aren’t even in the government. They are wherever the left holds power. It can be in the non-profit sector and among major corporations. Power gets moved around like a New York City shell game. Where’s the quarter? Nope, it’s not there anymore.

The shadow government is an ideological network. These days it calls itself by a hashtag #Resistance. Under any name, it runs the country. Most of the time we don’t realize that. When things are normal, when there’s a Democrat in the White House or a bunch of Democrats in Congress, it’s business as usual.

Even with most Republican presidents, you didn’t notice anything too out of the ordinary. Sure, the Democrats got their way most of the time. But that’s how the game is usually played.

It’s only when someone came on the scene who didn’t play the game by the same rules, that the network exposed itself. The shadow government emerged out of hiding and came for Trump.

And that’s the civil war.

This is a war over who runs the country. Do the people who vote run the country or does this network that can lose an election, but still get its agenda through, run the country?

We’ve been having this fight for a while. But this century things have escalated.

They escalated a whole lot after Trump’s win because the network isn’t pretending anymore. It sees the opportunity to delegitimize the whole idea of elections.

Now the network isn’t running the country from cover. It’s actually out here trying to overturn the results of an election and remove the president from office.

It’s rejected the victories of two Republican presidents this century.

And if we don’t stand up and confront it, and expose it for what it is, it’s going to go on doing it in every election. And eventually Federal judges are going to gain enough power that they really will overturn elections.

It happens in other countries. If you think it can’t happen here, you haven’t been paying attention to the left.

Right now, Federal judges are declaring that President Trump isn’t allowed to govern because his Tweets show he’s a racist. How long until they say that a president isn’t even allowed to take office because they don’t like his views?

That’s where we’re headed.

Civil wars swing around a very basic question. The most basic question of them all. Who runs the country?

Is it me? Is it you? Is it Grandma? Or is it bunch of people who made running the government into their career?

America was founded on getting away from professional government. The British monarchy was a professional government. Like all professional governments, it was hereditary. Professional classes eventually decide to pass down their privileges to their kids.

America was different. We had a volunteer government. That’s what the Founding Fathers built.

This is a civil war between volunteer governments elected by the people and professional governments elected by… well… uh… themselves.

Of the establishment, by the establishment and for the establishment.

You know, the people who always say they know better, no matter how many times they screw up, because they’re the professionals. They’ve been in Washington D.C. politics since they were in diapers.

Freedom can only exist under a volunteer government. Because everyone is in charge. Power belongs to the people.

A professional government is going to have to stamp out freedom sooner or later. Freedom under a professional government can only be a fiction. Whenever the people disagree with the professionals, they’re going to have to get put down. That’s just how it is. No matter how it’s disguised, a professional government is tyranny.

Ours is really well disguised, but if it walks like a duck and locks you up like a duck, it’s a tyranny.

Now what’s the left.

Forget all the deep answers. The left is a professional government.

It’s whole idea is that everything needs to be controlled by a big central government to make society just. That means everything from your soda sizes to whether you can mow your lawn needs to be decided in Washington D.C.

Volunteer governments are unjust. Professional governments are fair. That’s the credo of the left.

Its network, the one we were just discussing, it takes over professional governments because it shares their basic ideas. Professional governments, no matter who runs them, are convinced that everything should run through the professionals. And the professionals are usually lefties. If they aren’t, they will be.

Just ask Mueller and establishment guys like him.

What infuriates professional government more than anything else? An amateur, someone like President Trump who didn’t spend his entire adult life practicing to be president, taking over the job.

President Trump is what volunteer government is all about.

When you’re a government professional, you’re invested in keeping the system going. But when you’re a volunteer, you can do all the things that the experts tell you can’t be done. You can look at the mess we’re in with fresh eyes and do the common sense things that President Trump is doing.

And common sense is the enemy of government professionals. It’s why Trump is such a threat.

A Republican government professional would be bad enough. But a Republican government volunteer does that thing you’re not supposed to do in government… think differently.

Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can’t serve in if you’re not a member. If you haven’t been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren’t in the club.

And Trump isn’t in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren’t in the club with him.

Now we’re seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down.

That’s not a free country.

It’s not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an “insurance policy” against Trump winning the election. It’s not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It’s not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It’s not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn’t supposed to win, won.

We’re in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and leftist professional government.

The pros have made it clear that they’re not going to accept election results anymore. They’re just going to make us do whatever they want. They’re in charge and we better do what they say.

That’s the war we’re in. And it’s important that we understand that.

Because this isn’t a shooting war yet. And I don’t want to see it become one.

And before the shooting starts, civil wars are fought with arguments. To win, you have to understand what the big picture argument is. It’s easy to get bogged down in arguments that don’t matter or won’t really change anything.

This is the argument that changes everything.

Do we have a government of the people and by the people? Or do we have a tyranny of the professionals?

The Democrats try to dress up this argument in leftist social justice babble. Those fights are worth having. But sometimes we need to pull back the curtain on what this is really about.

They’ve tried to rig the system. They’ve done it by gerrymandering, by changing the demographics of entire states through immigration, by abusing the judiciary and by a thousand different tricks.

But civil wars come down to an easy question. Who runs the country?

They’ve given us their answer and we need to give them our answer.

Both sides talk about taking back the country. But who are they taking it back for?

The left uses identity politics. It puts supposed representatives of entire identity groups up front. We’re taking the country back for women and for black people, and so on and so forth…

But nobody elected their representatives.

Identity groups don’t vote for leaders. All the black people in the country never voted to make Shaun King al Al Sharpton their representative. And women sure as hell didn’t vote for Hillary Clinton.

What we have in America is a representative government. A representative government makes freedom possible because it actually represents people, instead of representing ideas.

The left’s identity politics only represents ideas. Nobody gets to vote on them.

Instead the left puts out representatives from different identity politics groups, there’s your gay guy, there’s three women, there’s a black man, as fronts for their professional government system.

When they’re taking back the country, it’s always for professional government. It’s never for the people.

When conservatives fight to take back the country, it’s for the people. It’s for volunteer government the way that the Founding Fathers wanted it to be.

This is a civil war over whether the American people are going to govern themselves. Or are they going to be governed.

Are we going to have a government of the people, by the people and for the people… or are we going to have a government.

The kind of government that most countries have where a few special people decide what’s best for everyone.

We tried that kind of government under the British monarchy. And we had a revolution because we didn’t like it.

But that revolution was met with a counterrevolution by the left. The left wants a monarchy. It wants King Obama or Queen Oprah.

It wants to end government of the people, by the people and for the people. That’s what they’re fighting for. That’s what we’re fighting against. The stakes are as big as they’re ever going to get. Do elections matter anymore?

I live in the state of Ronald Reagan. I can go visit the Ronald Reagan Library any time I want to. But today California has one party elections. There are lots of elections and propositions. There’s all the theater of democracy, but none of the substance. Its political system is as free and open as the Soviet Union.

And that can be America.

The Trump years are going to decide if America survives. When his time in office is done, we’re either going to be California or a free nation once again.

The civil war is out in the open now and we need to fight the good fight. And we must fight to win.

 

Author: Uncola

I am one who has found the road less traveled while remaining a whiskered, whispering witness to the world. I hope what you just considered was worth the price and time spent. www.TheTollOnline.com

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Aodh Mor MacRaynall
Aodh Mor MacRaynall
January 27, 2018 7:51 am

This shows precisely why democracy doesn’t work…never has, never will.

digitalpennmedia
digitalpennmedia
  Aodh Mor MacRaynall
January 27, 2018 5:30 pm

we dont have a democracy… its a Federal Republic ( its the reason we have the electoral college ) .. ALL powers were to be delegated to the People and the States Amen 9 & 10 … read a damn book and educate yourself; your knee jerk spouting of b.s. is annoying

MN Steel
MN Steel
  digitalpennmedia
January 27, 2018 8:00 pm

For a Representative Republic, how is it working out now?

You know, like when calls to Representatives were running over 95% against passing TARP, how’d that work out?

How about when the Senate votes on most things Israel, do you think 100% of the US, which the Senate putatively represents, approve of the unanimous votes?

How much power do the people have when each Representative represents 750K people?

How much power do the States have when the tax money taken by the FedGov is held above their heads to be trickled out when they obey the Fed’s diktats?

At least you still have “muh consteetuhshun” and all it engenders…

Stucky
Stucky
January 27, 2018 8:19 am

“The Trump years are going to decide if America survives.”

A bold statement!! (From an excellent speech.)

But, is it true? Does America’s future really depend on just one man? Let the people vote!

Vote UP ……….. if you agree with the quoted statement.
Vote DOWN …. if you disagree.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Stucky
January 27, 2018 8:39 am

UP..It seems likely that if Trump cannot clean house, the US will go down the 3d world toilet and probably break up. The Democrats, and their base, are insane and will finish destroying America in the next 20 years…

RiNS
RiNS
  Stucky
January 27, 2018 9:04 am

It was an excellent speech. He managed to pick one point and hammer it home. This man would make a great Shit Monkey here on TBP. Wouldn’t you say Stucky..

Whatta sad state of affairs when rhetoric such as this is considered bold with that proposition. Yet it is Bold at least to me.

This civil war being fought will be seen some day in a compendium much the same as all the other tragedies before and hence.

Missed opportunities for minor course corrections to avoid those lurking threats. The Titanic is underway. The passengers fully immersed. Years of indoctrination in identity politics and political correctness has most oblivious to their fates as the ship weighs anchor and slips from the dock.

Ahoy! Full steam ahead…

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James
James
  RiNS
January 27, 2018 10:40 am

OK,been gone awhile helping a family member get over a tough surgery,will soon be back there after some R&R so I may have missed something but why is the little dude jailed again?!

RiNS
RiNS
  James
January 27, 2018 11:10 am

Wintertime. Just me stuck inside. Although today might go for a skate on a lake. It dont mean nothin’ as far as the little dude. I just thought I’d change it up.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  RiNS
January 27, 2018 12:12 pm

Some common ground. Hope we’re good.

RiNS
RiNS
  Anonymous
January 27, 2018 5:36 pm

We’re good.

Today I decided to go outside, endure the cold, and enjoy the day given me.

There is something wonderful to be skating on the ice instead of into it. Alone on the lake with no iGadget to distract all that I need do is listen to cadence of my skates slicing thru the ice.

It was glorious!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
January 27, 2018 9:14 am

It isn’t depending on one man, it is depending on all those he represents that are standing behind him.

starfcker
starfcker
  Stucky
January 27, 2018 12:40 pm

“The Trump years are going to decide if America survives. When his time in office is done, we’re either going to be California or a free nation once again.” Yes Stuckey, I believe that is true. I don’t think there’s anybody out there with his skill set. Can you name any one? He’s the guy. I like the speech, I like the guy’s way of thinking. The time is now. We either have a country we don’t. If you want to have a country, better trust Trump. Because there is no second choice.

Stucky
Stucky
  Stucky
January 28, 2018 8:39 am

Regarding the voting ….. I am truly surprised at how lopsided it is. I honestly thought it would have been more a 50-50 split ….. at worst, a 60-40 split, one way or the other.

It is what it is.

But, I find the results to be somewhat disconcerting. To place the hopes of America on just ONE MAN … be it Trump, or anyone else …. is a frightening thought. Think about it, and I think you’ll agree.

I think many are setting themselves up for a great disappointment.

CCRider
CCRider
January 27, 2018 8:28 am

I smell a rat. He made obviously true statements for those who don’t pay attention, like the nit wits who elect Caitlyn Graham time after time. But a discussion about how corrupt politics are in the u s and no mention of israel’s buying and selling of ‘our’ politicians like street sluts? My ass. I think he, like Ben Shapiro are plants in the repo party now that all the old NeoRats are slithering over to the dummos.

Muhammad Goldstein
Muhammad Goldstein
  CCRider
January 27, 2018 8:38 am

With Jews like this guy and countries like Israel on our side, who needs friends?

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  CCRider
January 27, 2018 8:41 am

That’s not really relevant to the point Greenfield is making, which is that the left plans to rule, and does rule, regardless of elections. Kind of like Chile before Pinochet changed things…

CCRider
CCRider
  pyrrhus
January 27, 2018 8:53 am

Point taken. He did make good sense and I agree with the overall thrust of his talk. But I don’t really trust him.

MN Steel
MN Steel
  CCRider
January 27, 2018 4:24 pm

I like how we’re asked to “fight the good fight. And fight to win” with no definition if how to “fight”.

Is he recommending we fight by voting, which is doing the same thing as the last 100 years?

Fight in the courts, which FedGov wins 95+% of the time?

Fight in the media, where 6 (((tribal))) companies own 90+% of the media consumed by the masses?

Or is he SIEGE posting?

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
  pyrrhus
January 27, 2018 10:03 am

You mean before the US changed things.

ZenitFan
ZenitFan
  pyrrhus
January 28, 2018 1:53 am

Kinda like Venezuela right now. Maduro created that rubber-stamp “constituent assembly” so he could rule by decree and render any future elections irrelevant. No you know why Bernie Sanders and various leftist celebs praised Venezuela as the model for their vision of the US — then took the 5th when the place became a shithole.

HerrHimmler
HerrHimmler
  CCRider
January 27, 2018 11:16 pm

You, CCRider, hit the nail precisely on the head. Like when he establishes the false premise in which he can then extol the virtues of the “grand old party,” which is utter B.S. through and through. The article states “We’re in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and leftist professional government.” What the hell does that even mean? The battle is simply between those who embrace nationalism and those traitorous cutthroats attempting to herd us all into the utopian one world order called globalism. You don’t smell a rat, rather you suspect a filthy rich jew in the woodpile. Global Zionism threatens our very existence as a nation and has been the “change agent” that has nefariously plotted the course of our destruction by using their endless money printing to buy unscrupulous, psychopathic, traitorous politicians to force nation-wrecking multiculturalism and unchecked illegal immigration. It then used more phony federal reserve notes to shred the moral fiber of the nation by promoting homosexuality, race-mixing, miscegenation and pedophilia, which has become so rampant we are now having to reset our moral compass more toward Sodom and Gomorrah, than using our resources to enrich young minds to ensure a bright and prosperous future. The article is a red herring designed to exonerate the guilty, who are entrenched in either party and have no interest in bettering the lives of honest, hard working white Americans.

RiNS
RiNS
January 27, 2018 9:19 am

I did know two. Quite well in fact. They were both great guys and died too young. I could go into it but this morning is glorious and not worth the bother. For those wondering I deleted the comment that LGR is responding to. After I posted I thought better and deleted it.

Still I can’t help but see the current path that this ship of state is on with the same eyes as my own experiences. We all have our icebergs. Mine just happens to be in a coal mine.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 27, 2018 9:25 am

The Left knows how to fight, the Right doesn’t.

“Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.” – Stalin

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/25/vermont-high-school-to-fly-black-lives-matter-flag/

Who do you think is winning, who do you think is is gonna win, if things don’t change?

daddysteve
daddysteve
January 27, 2018 9:55 am

Sounds like a bunch of Red team – Blue team bullshit. Fuck the Cucks.

CCRider
CCRider
  daddysteve
January 27, 2018 2:25 pm

That’s right Daddy. Same shit different savior.

James
James
January 27, 2018 10:37 am

This is the beginning of the first civil war,the war of succession was misnamed a “civil war”,the south didn’t want to take over,they just wanted to rightfully leave.Hope for the best/plan for the worst is the best that we can do while also trying to change thinking at a local level.

Mike
Mike
  James
January 27, 2018 11:24 am

I don’t think enough of the population is serious about it. Perhaps “Communist Takeover” or “Putsch” would be a better word? It’s too late for the “soft” euphemisms of the enemies’ propaganda.

Mike
Mike
January 27, 2018 11:22 am

I wish he hadn’t used the word “professional”. That implies “competent” and one who follows rational and scientific norms and standards of their trade. Unless of course the trade is governing … errrrr … violent domination. Then “anything goes” is the final rule?

Are we battling that force of natural disintegration – entropy?

Cynicles
Cynicles
  Mike
January 27, 2018 11:21 pm

Often, professional simply means being paid for a specified thing.

Hollow Man
Hollow Man
January 27, 2018 11:59 am

It is already to late. We may move to the shooting part before it’s settled though. It’s how the US becomes insignificant in the future. Exactly when this happens who knows. sympathy for the future of our children.

Mark
Mark
January 27, 2018 12:30 pm

I don’t care that the author is Jewish…this speech could have been given by any insightful, passionate determined, hard core Conservative of any race, color, creed or religion.

It reminded me how deeply convicted the grass roots of my TEA Party blade run.

This was a revealing Paul Revere warning and powerful speech on the successes of the Long March of the Marxists (now referred to as Democrats) and their allies (now referred to as the Swamp and or RINOs) and their youthful army of useful idiot drones (now referred to as Snowflakes) that I have read in a while.

It was brilliant and naked in its revelation’s and our charge:

“The civil war is out in the open now and we need to fight the good fight. And we must fight to win.”

Vodka
Vodka
January 27, 2018 12:34 pm

Sadly, the Right is 50 years late in recognizing this. The Left has been weaponizing everything that they gain control over for half a century. Foundations, schools, gov agencies, corporate HR, media, and on and on.

The question now is: “Is it too late?”. I suspect it is. The first commenter on this thread is correct. Democracy is a cruel deception. That’s what Greenfield fails to see.

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
January 27, 2018 2:03 pm

This is not a civil war. It is a product of insanity. A civil war is between people actively fighting one another.

This guy does not understand what is going on. He still lives on the forest floor.

Both the Democratic and Republican parties are out of touch with the people. They are out of touch with the constitution. He does not understand that the best governed are the least governed.

So what are the parties all about? They are about their own agenda. They are about their own interests. Where in the constitution does it say that the federal government was to run the States, Counties and cities and control education and life direction of the people? No where. So where is this guy coming from? It seems to me he is coming from ignorance of what the establishment of this country was all about.

What have we learned after all this time gone by about the role our government has taken in our lives? We have learned that the government wants to control us rather than insuring an environment where people can pursue their happiness in an equal playing field. The agendas of both the Democratic and Republican parties do not aim for that equal playing field. So who is kidding who here? Does this man not see how he is playing the field? His agenda is to divide rather than bring together. His mind demonstrates naive dualism rather then a striving for relatedness. This is exactly what the country does not need. We need to hear out people that have ideas which can bring us together. This guy is a waste of our time.

If the tea party is listening to this guy then they are in trouble. They too are still in the forest. We need leaders with vision that can bring the country together. Let’s start with working to reduce the role of government in our lives.

Let’s listen to visionaries not old souse ears.

starfcker
starfcker
  Thunderbird
January 27, 2018 2:43 pm

So what you’re saying, Thunderbird, is you got nothing?

Mark
Mark
January 27, 2018 3:22 pm

Thunderbird,

Respectfully, I don’t think I have disagreed more with an opposing opinion on the same post. I suspec t we have common end results in mind, but completely opposing takes on this speech and the TEA Party.

The Cultural Civil War has been waged for generations (only most Americans were/are oblivious of it). Obviously the Cultural Marxists have been intentional through their LONG MARCH and are winning through their unholy trinity, Academia, Hollywood & Big Media. But the real and more open CIVIL WAR is now playing out (there have been real causalities just in the Clinton body count alone) through the exposed weaponized FBI, Justice Department, IRS etc…and all the corrupt, illegal, treasonous soft coup tactics being used on Trump…but more importantly on the American people and out Constitutional Republic.

Please explain what you mean by the author and the TEA Party are both living on the forest floor? I thought the author crystallized point after point against the Radical Leftist and their insanity not the patriotic activism and founding Constitutional sanity of the TEA Party:

– Eliminate Excessive Taxes.
– Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
– Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
– Eliminate The National Debt.
– Eliminate Deficit Spending.
– Abide by the Constitution of the United States.
– Reduce the Overall Size of Government.
– Maintain Local Independence.
– Illegal aliens are here illegally.
– Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
– A strong military is essential.
– Special interests must be eliminated.
– Gun ownership is sacred.
– Government must be downsized.
– The national budget must be balanced.
– Deficit spending must end.
– Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
– Political offices must be available to average citizens.
– Intrusive government must be stopped.
– English as our core language is required.
– Traditional family values are encouraged.
– TERM LIMITS
– AUDIT the FED – END the FED – urinate on the FED (and their puppet masters the BIS and the IMF…plunge the Plunge Protection Team over a cliff)

If anyone understood what the role of the out of control government was doing in our lives (as you correctly pointed out) it was the TEA PARTY! Can you imagine how much more severe the Petulant One’s radical transformation of America would have looked like by 2016 if the TEA Party patriots did not rise up and STAND IN THE GAP in 2009, 2010, 2011,and 2012? Many paid a price and many were beaten down.

Trust me Thunderbird…we were not sitting on the forest floor! Thank God for the men and woman who said: THAT’S ENOUGH OF THIS OBAMA TREASON AND BULLSHIT! Who organized, acted, marched, gave money, ran for office, sacrificed and fought!

Please explain how the author is dividing U.S. by this outstanding speeach?

Who are the visionary leaders you are talking about and what are they promoting outside the above list the vast majority of the blades of the TEA Party supported?

Maggie
Maggie
  Mark
January 27, 2018 7:11 pm

we tried

Mark
Mark
  Maggie
January 27, 2018 7:24 pm

It an’t over until the Mick Wop is out of signs and ammo….

Hagar
Hagar
January 27, 2018 4:35 pm

Actually, Thunderbird makes some good observations…”This is not a civil war. It is a product of insanity. A civil war is between people actively fighting one another.” As I was reading the original post I had pause at the continued mantra of ‘left is all wrong and right is all right’. (I admit that I only read about 2/3 of the article.) The opening bit about Bush not really being elected is still debatable. Much will never be revealed, yet there is credible evidence that Gore really won. There is also credible evidence that Bush really won. Our election process is so flawed and corrupt that only the supporters of the declared winners ‘know’ the best candidate won. Nonetheless, it is obvious to me that the shit will hit the fan…this nation has been captured by an insanity fueled by a insidious leftist socialist agenda that defies logic. It may very well be up to the Trump years whether or not this nation survives or in what form it survives. Oh well, I have had a mostly good 70 years and some days don’t give a shit about the rest. I’ll either pass on in my sleep or with an empty magazine…not expecting a choice.

Mark
Mark
  Hagar
January 27, 2018 7:04 pm

Hager,

Civil war…one side is just insane…semantics…we are split into two diametrically opposed half’s and comprise in the great muddy middle is not going to happen…until there is an ending similar to the last time we were in this inevitable bloodletting opposition. Only this time there are international implications far beyond that 4th Turning.

How about we are in an insane uncivil war on the cusp of a lunatic river of blood CIVIL WAR?

Any way you slice or dice it The Trump Train gains speed, The Trump Derailment, The Trump Betrayal, the 4th Turning, The End Times, The Everything Bubble, Global Warming (not), The Solar Minimum – New Little Ice Age (hmmm…), WW3, Mad Max…who shouda coulda won past elections…yada, yada yada…I’m standing on:

– Eliminate Excessive Taxes.
– Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
– Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
– Eliminate The National Debt.
– Eliminate Deficit Spending.
– Abide by the Constitution of the United States.
– Reduce the Overall Size of Government.
– Maintain Local Independence.
– Illegal aliens are here illegally.
– Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
– A strong military is essential.
– Special interests must be eliminated.
– Gun ownership is sacred.
– Government must be downsized.
– The national budget must be balanced.
– Deficit spending must end.
– Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
– Political offices must be available to average citizens.
– Intrusive government must be stopped.
– English as our core language is required.
– Traditional family values are encouraged.
– TERM LIMITS
– AUDIT the FED – END the FED – urinate on the FED (and their puppet masters the BIS and the IMF…plunge the Plunge Protection Team over a cliff)

The devil is in the details and so is the above real: HOPE & CHANGE!

I’m 68 and also embrace: “I’ll either pass on in my sleep or with an empty magazine…not expecting a choice.” But my bullet points are for my Daughter and Grandson in particular and millions in general who haven’t had what was intended for them…and paid for…so dearly.

digitalpennmedia
digitalpennmedia
January 27, 2018 5:41 pm

Politics has always set up the stage for the demise of an empire or a civil war… if not actually being the cause of it. Of course, deeper that politics but still related given the influence, financials set the stage.

In the revolution it was taxation as we are lead to believe and the right of a people to decide how to run their commerce. In the Civil War it was the north desiring the wealth of the south to pay for an enormous debt owed, using politics to push the masses in the direction needed and using force the north got the war. As we look today, the fed gov holds the power to create money out of thin air pushing debt to unimaginable levels but by doing so they still hold “credibility” to their power. As the financial strain becomes real and the politician try to tighten grips and hold power the crumbling will accelerate and someone will see an opportunity for power/financial opportunity and politics will again create a need and civil war. I we look to pensions, one by one states are straining … CT, IL, CA; there is no one to buy the debts/municiple bonds/treasuries except for the govs that both create the laws and hold the power and control ( so who, if not politicians/politics create the situations for civil war?

Hagar
Hagar
  digitalpennmedia
January 27, 2018 10:25 pm

No argument from me, sane or insane, civil or uncivil, a shitstorm is on the horizon.

mangledman
mangledman
January 27, 2018 5:55 pm

I thought the main theme was about who runs the country, and who pulls the strings. No matter which side wins, socialist, progressive policy still moves ahead. If the left wins, all is right in the world. If the right wins, cry foul.

Mark
Mark
  mangledman
January 27, 2018 7:20 pm

mangledman,

Sometimes its hard to keep the main thing the main thing…and you sir are right about what has happened no matter what side wins…its called the unholy trinity: The Media, Hollywood and Academia.

I say we tie the three of them to the rails…and if the Trump Train doesn’t run over them…we kill them all in the upcoming “Event”. No matter what we call the insanity?

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
January 27, 2018 7:49 pm

@Mark

“Please explain what you mean by the author and the TEA party are both living on the forest floor?”

Gladly. We no longer operate as a Constitutional Republic. The country operates under Administrative Law; an amoral, non-ethical non natural form of law created by congress under the direction of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt to circumscribe the Constitution.

There is no means to seek recourse or redress to the unethical rules and regulations that come to us through the administrators of this law system. Certainly not through the administrative courts. That would be like asking the tiger that has you in it’s jaws not to eat you. People get eaten every day by these courts. At least in the constitutional courts of the past we had the protection of the Bill of Rights to protect us and challenge the law.

“Maintain Local Independence”

How can that happen when all the States passed the Administrative procedures Act which put them under the Federal Statutes that are the core of Administrative Law? This took State independence away. State Law is Federal Law.

“Reducing personal income tax is a must.”

Why not repeal the 16th amendment or adjust the $5000 limit of tax free income to the inflation rate that has happened since the amendment was enacted? And why we are at it why not repeal the 17th amendment and give the States back it’s representation in the congress?

“Reduce overall size of Government.”

Don’t forget the size of local government that competes with the private sector making public what should be private enterprise?

“Please explain how the author is dividing U.S. by this outstanding speech?”

Because he is pitting democrats against republicans and calling it a civil war. The war is in the parties not the people in the public calling themselves by these ideologies. Most people want to live in harmony. The democratic party does not represent the public democrats. The democratic party is run by socialists and communists that have their own agenda for the people. McCarthy was right. You might want to read “Iron Curtain around America” by John Beaty to see the grave mess we are in. These people use Administrative Law that has no foundation in natural or ethical principles to promote their agenda. The Constitution would not let them do what they do because constitutional law is grounded in natural and christian ethics.

“Who are the visionary leaders you are talking about.”

They are the truly great ethical men in our society waiting in the background for the chaff to be removed so they can take the opportunity to serve this country in the political arena.

Conclusion: Administrative law has to be seen for what it is being used for and put in it’s place under Constitutional Statutes. When that is done we can deal with the Socialists and Communists that have targeted our republican form of government to submit it to their own repressive agenda.

Until then talk about the points of the author is just talk. This author has no vision or plan; just talk.

Anybody here recognize a plan in his talking? No. Only talk and that is not good enough. It is a great talk about nothing. Because talking takes us nowhere toward a solution.

By the way Roosevelt sold out a lot of people to live under communist rule at the Yalta accords. This makes me wonder about Roosevelt.

Mark
Mark
  Thunderbird
January 27, 2018 9:36 pm

Ahhh…the details…now we’re getting somewhere…

ME: “Please explain what you mean by the author and the TEA party are both living on the forest floor?”

YOU: Gladly. We no longer operate as a Constitutional Republic. The country operates under Administrative Law; an amoral, non-ethical non natural form of law created by congress under the direction of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt to circumscribe the Constitution. There is no means to seek recourse or redress to the unethical rules and regulations that come to us through the administrators of this law system. Certainly not through the administrative courts. That would be like asking the tiger that has you in it’s jaws not to eat you. People get eaten every day by these courts. At least in the constitutional courts of the past we had the protection of the Bill of Rights to protect us and challenge the law.

ME: Come on…of course we realize what has been done to usurp the Original intent (starting by the way with Wilson & the FED not FDR…Wilson was the launch pad) then FDR’s New Deal…then with gasoline thrown on FDR’s fire by Johnson’s Great Society (not to skip over The Warren court’s slouch towards Sodom & Gomorrah).

Let’s cut to the 5 lawyers in black dresses “3 bigly” stolen Constitutional Republic chase:
1. Prayer 1963
2. Legal baby murder 1973
3. Stick’en their rainbow finger in Gods eye over His definition of marriage 2015

What makes you think the author or the TEA Party don’t read or lived or understand history and the cards we are now playing with? We know the evil and the success of the LONG MARCH…we have been fighting and holding it back!

ME: “Maintain Local Independence”

YOU: How can that happen when all the States passed the Administrative procedures Act which put them under the Federal Statutes that are the core of Administrative Law? This took State independence away. State Law is Federal Law.

ME: Tell that to the Bundy’s and Robert LaVoy’s family and millions of lesser known patriots, many in the TEA Party. All you need to kill Goliath is to be a David and look to God…He’ll provide you the slingshot as you walk through the valley of the shadow.

ME: “Reducing personal income tax is a must.”

YOU: Why not repeal the 16th amendment or adjust the $5000 limit of tax free income to the inflation rate that has happened since the amendment was enacted? And why we are at it why not repeal the 17th amendment and give the States back it’s representation in the congress?

ME: Hell Yea Brother!…I said I suspect we want many of the same results. While we are in agreement why don’t the RED States shove the 10th Amendment down the federal throat too? You won’t find an argument from the TEA Party stripes and types on this. We have long backed that tactic. Don’t fly when you can Nullfy…

ME: “Reduce overall size of Government.”

YOU: Don’t forget the size of local government that competes with the private sector making public what should be private enterprise?

ME: As The Giper would say: “Well…there you go again…all politics is local as is all bloated Libtard supersized government. CUT, SLASH, SHOW UP AT TOWN COMMISSIONER MEETINGS and then do more. (Long story, I took on a connected developer over property rights, wouldn’t be bought off or deterred and wouldn’t shut up and delayed the Developer into bankruptcy (without a lawyer). Don’t tell me you can’t fight City Hall, I already did and kicked ass.

ME: “Please explain how the author is dividing U.S. by this outstanding speech?”

YOU: Because he is pitting democrats against republicans and calling it a civil war. The war is in the parties not the people in the public calling themselves by these ideologies. Most people want to live in harmony. The democratic party does not represent the public democrats. The democratic party is run by socialists and communists that have their own agenda for the people. McCarthy was right. You might want to read “Iron Curtain around America” by John Beaty to see the grave mess we are in. These people use Administrative Law that has no foundation in natural or ethical principles to promote their agenda. The Constitution would not let them do what they do because constitutional law is grounded in natural and christian ethics.

ME: It’s not about the Jackass Party and the Elephant with No Memory Party…they are both full of the same Deep Sewer ruling class elites. It’s about Freedom and Liberty as intended from God & the Founding Fathers. The author of the original post is just explaining the details. What makes you think he or I or 99% of TBP doesn’t understand the grave mess we are all in? Or have not read one book? I became a blade in the TEA Party because I fully understand what is happening as does the author of this outstanding speech. Understanding is why I’m still fighting and prepping to be able to make the cost to the Progressives, Socialists and Commies who would take my liberty and freedom away extremely EXPENSIVE.

ME: “Who are the visionary leaders you are talking about?”

YOU: They are the truly great ethical men in our society waiting in the background for the chaff to be removed so they can take the opportunity to serve this country in the political arena.

ME: Names…party affiliations…hell I know many great ethical men (and women…don’t piss Maggie off she’s on this thread) that was your weakest debate answer. Hmmm…who are the chaff and how are they going to remove them??? That is a needed detail.

YOU: Conclusion: Administrative law has to be seen for what it is being used for and put in it’s place under Constitutional Statutes. When that is done we can deal with the Socialists and Communists that have targeted our republican form of government to submit it to their own repressive agenda.
Until then talk about the points of the author is just talk. This author has no vision or plan; just talk.
Anybody here recognize a plan in his talking? No. Only talk and that is not good enough. It is a great talk about nothing. Because talking takes us nowhere toward a solution.
By the way Roosevelt sold out a lot of people to live under communist rule at the Yalta accords. This makes me wonder about Roosevelt.

ME: Conclusion: What makes you think Administrative Law isn’t long ago seen for what it is by millions and is being attacked constantly…look at Judicial Watch, the ACLJ just to name two of many on the aggressive counter attack leading the charge, who are worthy of monthly monies.

Hey it was just a “speech”…of course it was just talk. That’s a bit weak. But then again…“Common Sense” was just talk too? Talk can be cheap and talk can spark a revolution.

If your just wondering about ole Democratic FDR selling U.S. out to Uncle Joe at Yalta in his dying demented state…and the Commies in the 30’s and 40’s who infiltrated the government…that ship has sailed. As far as selling U.S. out to the Russians currently …stay tuned to Tucker Carlson and hopefully Q.

Anyway buddy good debate…I appreciate your time and thoughts…like I said I think we are after the same results…God Bless you and yours. My closing advice is: buy more magazines and ammo!

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
January 27, 2018 10:26 pm

@Mark

Same to you

Stucky
Stucky
January 28, 2018 8:31 am

To Thunderbird and Mark

I have nothing to add.

Just wanted to say that was a HELLUVA GREAT debate!! You both made your cases with excellent logic and data … and I learned a few things from both of you. It was nice that it didn’t devolve into a shitfest.

Folks, that’s how it should mostly be done. I say “mostly” because there is always a time and place for a good shitfest. We must never surrender that right!

Nice job guys …..

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
January 28, 2018 8:44 am

It was a good discussion. And, by the way, Mark? I’ve known a few ethical women in positions of authority.

Very few. Women are a bit catty.

Mark
Mark
  Maggie
January 28, 2018 1:45 pm

Maggie,

Ethical power brokers seems to me to be an equal opportunity rare commodity no matter their sex.

More of a gender neutral oxymoron…but there are exceptions to every rule!

Mark
Mark
  Stucky
January 28, 2018 1:39 pm

Thanks Stucky…I appreciate that and I’m sure Thundebird does as well, it was a civilized donny brook!

I agree, there is nothing wrong with a bare knuckle fist fight too! Passion and a vicious wordsmith knife fight will never go out of fashion.