America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars

I do not want to become a One  Trick Pony. I know some might be suffering from Jew fatigue. How much more can be said?

A lot. One of the big reasons I voted for Trump was because I believed he would end our endless wars … especially getting us out of the middle east shithole. It ain’t happening! Why?

The Jews.

This must be quite a conundrum for those who believe Trump eeis draining the Swamp. Has there been a more pro-Israel POTUS than Trump. And if the Swamp contains many evil Joos, then how will it be drained?

Listen, the more out learn about the nation of Israel, the more you realize they are anything but our friend. I wish that weren’t true. But, it is 100% truth.


Editor’s Note: Kudos to Giraldi for stating what everybody knows but nobody is willing to say in print, and to Ron Unz the publisher of the Unz Review.

Unz is Jewish, so perhaps that is why he is able to publish something like this. Most Gentile publishers outside the Alt-Right are too scared to, and Jewish publishers simply won’t. We need more of this fair, balanced discussion.

We ran an important piece by Giraldi yesterday where he details his personal experience of being censored on the internet.

His reputation as a career CIA officer and publicist is impeccable. (Wikipedia) He is one of the few highly respected mainstream writers outside the Alt-Right willing to touch this important subject.)

Maybe that is why the big tech companies censor him.

– Charles Bausman, Editor


I spoke recently at a conference on America’s war party where afterwards an elderly gentleman came up to me and asked, “Why doesn’t anyone ever speak honestly about the six-hundred-pound gorilla in the room? Nobody has mentioned Israel in this conference and we all know it’s American Jews with all their money and power who are supporting every war in the Middle East for Netanyahu? Shouldn’t we start calling them out and not letting them get away with it?”

It was a question combined with a comment that I have heard many times before and my answer is always the same: any organization that aspires to be heard on foreign policy knows that to touch the live wire of Israel and American Jews guarantees a quick trip to obscurity. Jewish groups and deep pocket individual donors not only control the politicians, they own and run the media and entertainment industries, meaning that no one will hear about or from the offending party ever again. They are particularly sensitive on the issue of so-called “dual loyalty,” particularly as the expression itself is a bit of a sham since it is pretty clear that some of them only have real loyalty to Israel.

Most recently, some pundits, including myself, have been warning of an impending war with Iran. To be sure, the urging to strike Iran comes from many quarters, to include generals in the Administration who always think first in terms of settling problems through force, from a Saudi government obsessed with fear over Iranian hegemony, and, of course, from Israel itself. But what makes the war engine run is provided by American Jews who have taken upon themselves the onerous task of starting a war with a country that does not conceivably threaten the United States. They have been very successful at faking the Iranian threat, so much so that nearly all Republican and most Democratic congressmen as well as much of the media seem to be convinced that Iran needs to be dealt with firmly, most definitely by using the U.S. military, and the sooner the better.

And while they are doing it, the issue that nearly all the Iran haters are Jewish has somehow fallen out of sight, as if it does not matter. But it should matter. A recent article in the New Yorker on stopping the impending war with Iran strangely suggests that the current generation “Iran hawks” might be a force of moderation regarding policy options given the lessons learned from Iraq. The article cites as hardliners on Iran David Frum, Max Boot, Bill Kristol and Bret Stephens.

Daniel Larison over at The American Conservative has a good review of the New Yorker piece entitled “Yes, Iran Hawks Want Conflict with Iran,” which identifies the four above cited hawks by name before describing them as “…a Who’s Who of consistently lousy foreign policy thinking. If they have been right about any major foreign policy issue in the last twenty years, it would be news to the entire world. Every single one of them hates the nuclear deal with Iran with a passion, and they have argued in favor of military action against Iran at one point or another. There is zero evidence that any of them would oppose attacking Iran.”

And I would add a few more names, Mark Dubowitz, Michael Ledeen and Reuel Marc Gerecht of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies; Daniel Pipes of the Middle East Forum; John Podhoretz of Commentary magazine; Elliot Abrams of the Council on Foreign Relations; Meyrav Wurmser of the Middle East Media Research Institute; Kimberly Kagan of the Institute for the Study of War; and Frederick Kagan, Danielle Pletka and David Wurmser of the American Enterprise Institute. And you can also throw into the hopper entire organizations like The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP) and the Hudson Institute. And yep, they’re all Jewish, plus most of them would self-describe as neo-conservatives. And I might add that only one of the named individuals has ever served in any branch of the American military – David Wurmser was once in the Navy reserve. These individuals largely constitute a cabal of sanctimonious chairborne warriors who prefer to do the heavy thinking while they let others do the fighting and dying.

So it is safe to say that much of the agitation to do something about Iran comes from Israel and from American Jews. Indeed, I would opine that most of the fury from Congress re Iran comes from the same source, with AIPAC showering our Solons on the Potomac with “fact sheets” explaining how Iran is worthy of annihilation because it has pledged to “destroy Israel,” which is both a lie and an impossibility as Tehran does not have the resources to carry out such a task. The AIPAC lies are then picked up and replayed by an obliging media, where nearly every “expert” who speaks about the Middle East on television and radio or who is interviewed for newspaper stories is Jewish.

One might also add that neocons as a group were founded by Jews and are largely Jewish, hence their universal attachment to the state of Israel. They first rose into prominence when they obtained a number of national security positions during the Reagan Administration and their ascendancy was completed when they staffed senior positions in the Pentagon and White House under George W. Bush. Recall for a moment Paul Wolfowitz, Doug Feith, and Scooter Libby. Yes, all Jewish and all conduits for the false information that led to a war that has spread and effectively destroyed much of the Middle East. Except for Israel, of course. Philip Zelikow, also Jewish, in a moment of candor, admitted that the Iraq War, in his opinion, was fought for Israel.

Add to the folly a Jewish U.S. Ambassador to Israel who identifies with the most right-wing Israeli settler elements, a White House appointed chief negotiator who is Jewish and a Jewish son-in-law who is also involved in formulating Middle East policy. Is anyone providing an alternative viewpoint to eternal and uncritical support for Benjamin Netanyahu and his kleptocratic regime of racist thugs? I think not.

There are a couple of simple fixes for the dominant involvement of American Jews in foreign policy issues where they have a personal interest due to their ethnicity or family ties. First of all, don’t put them into national security positions involving the Middle East, where they will potentially be conflicted. Let them worry instead about North Korea, which does not have a Jewish minority and which was not involved in the holocaust. This type of solution was, in fact, somewhat of a policy regarding the U.S. Ambassador position in Israel. No Jew was appointed to avoid any conflict of interest prior to 1995, an understanding that was violated by Bill Clinton (wouldn’t you know it!) who named Martin Indyk to the post. Indyk was not even an American citizen at the time and had to be naturalized quickly prior to being approved by congress.

Those American Jews who are strongly attached to Israel and somehow find themselves in senior policy making positions involving the Middle East and who actually possess any integrity on the issue should recuse themselves, just as any judge would do if he were presiding over a case in which he had a personal interest. Any American should be free to exercise first amendment rights to debate possible options regarding policy, up to and including embracing positions that damage the United States and benefit a foreign nation. But if he or she is in a position to actually create those policies, he or she should butt out and leave the policy generation to those who have no personal baggage.

For those American Jews who lack any shred of integrity, the media should be required to label them at the bottom of the television screen whenever they pop up, e.g. Bill Kristol is “Jewish and an outspoken supporter of the state of Israel.” That would be kind-of-like a warning label on a bottle of rat poison – translating roughly as “ingest even the tiniest little dosage of the nonsense spewed by Bill Kristol at your own peril.”

As none of the above is likely to happen, the only alternative is for American citizens who are tired of having their country’s national security interests hijacked by a group that is in thrall to a foreign government to become more assertive about what is happening.

Shine a little light into the darkness and recognize who is being diddled and by whom. Call it like it is.

And if someone’s feelings are hurt, too bad. We don’t need a war with Iran because Israel wants one and some rich and powerful American Jews are happy to deliver. Seriously, we don’t need it.

 

http://russia-insider.com/en/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/ri20965

 

Author: Stucky

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Jack Lovett

I do not know if the trumpster is really a jew or zionist. However I do hate his boss, satanyahoo. I would hope Iran would eleminate that criminal country. And if we could dispose of the subhuman
jews in NYC and Wa DC. Well also hellywierd jews. Now we see a great new world.

AC
AC

It might be interesting for the author to look at the ethnic composition of the Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs, at the State Department.

You could do worse than to start with Larry Schwartz.

hardscrabble farmer

“Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it – It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and at no distant period, a great nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. Who can doubt that, in the course of time and things, the fruits of such a plan would richly repay any temporary advantages which might be lost by a steady adherence to it ? Can it be that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a nation with its virtue ? The experiment, at least, is recommended by every sentiment which ennobles human nature. Alas! is it rendered impossible by its vices?

In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim.

So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils. Such an attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.”

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2

Washington’s farewell address. Shoulda listened.

Zarathustra

At the time he meant France.

Wip
Wip

And Jefferson.

“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies,” Jefferson wrote. ” If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around(these banks) will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”

“The issuing power of currency shall be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”

We should all meditate on that amazing prediction of things to come that are not necessarily beneficial to the 99%– but only to the 1%.

starfcker

That’s pretty good,WIP.

Wip
Wip

Was that sarcasm? I ask because this is something that is damaging America as I see it in connection with the other articles I see you commented on. As well as other events. Especially current. If we see opportunity in America decline except for the exceptional (no, I do not have a problem with exceptional individuals) who are small in numbers, what does this portend, in the long term, for America? Turd world country.

The cost structure (rent) is too damn high. Cost structure (rent) meaning education, housing and health care (among other things). This can and does cause high levels of stress and anxiety which leads, of course, to bad things.

I have to say, the founding fathers seem pretty fucking smart and liberty minded.

Economic liberty is taking it up the ass.

starfcker

No, not being sarcastic at all. Key phrase from Jefferson, “the banks and corporations that will grow up around(these banks) will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” I’m very much a borders guy. I am very much an antitrust guy

factual
factual

Obviously you know nothing of Americas 80 million Evangelicals and hard-core Dispensationalist Christians.
You need to do some homework on the Rapture and you will find this is the reason 80 million American Christians do not want peace in the ME!!!!

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2

factual………………I never met even one Christian that wants war with Iran, but I don’t get out much.

Fulton

Yup: the dispensationalist HERESY.

BL
BL

Factual- Is that the same Christians who are letting the gays take over their churches, the gays that now marry and sit in the front pew on Sunday. The Evangelicals who watch movies with gratuitous sexual content and the lowest of morality each night in their living room?

Yeah, well if the rapture did take place, the Christians who are worthy would fit in a Greyhound bus.
What is your point?

Edwitness
Edwitness

BL,
Salvation is not earned. It is a gift for those who trust in Jesus as LORD and His resurrection. Any homo being allowed in the church is wrong. It damages the partitioners sensibilities and excuses the homo from his responsibility to trust in Jesus for deliverance from his idolatry.
Blessings:-}

starfcker

Stuckey, love you, buddy, but you get sucked in by the dumbest shit. “For those American Jews who lack any shred of integrity, the media should be required to label them at the bottom of the television screen whenever they pop up, e.g. Bill Kristol is “Jewish and an outspoken supporter of the state of Israel.” That would be kind-of-like a warning label on a bottle of rat poison.” Wouldn’t it be easier to just make them wear gold stars?

Zarathustra

The gold stars were probably a good idea considering what has occurred since they were removed.

motley
motley

factual … knows absolutely nothing of which he speaks. True Christians are set against any armed conflict in the middle east. Our Lord has spoken a message of peace … and of loving our enemies. Amazing the extent to which non-believers who know nothing of the Bible speak on its behalf.

Edwitness
Edwitness

Absolutely true motley. No true Christian wants or hopes for war anywhere with anyone.
And in reading THE BOOK we see that it is Israel who the whole world ends up coming against just before Jesus returns to bring His reign on earth. Those who will end up joining forces and coming against her more than likely agree with much of what is in the article above. And will be motivated by such.
Israelites are taught that when their Messiah comes he will take out their enemies and set up a kingdom on earth where they will rule with him. But, Jesus didn’t do this so they rejected Him. It’s possible that what some think is an inordinate amount of influence being exercised by the tiny nation is really just Israel helping this along. And in the process they will accept the man of sin, one who will really want their destruction as those who agree with this article do, and his beast system because he will offer them what Jesus did not. To rule the world.
It will be shortlived though as they see him for who he really is and cry out for deliverance as in the days of old. It is only then that the final Judge makes His appearance and ends man’s designs, whether Jew or Gentile, to reign over the earth.
Maranatha!!!
Blessings:-}

Zarathustra

Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and make them know that I have loved you. – Revelation 3:9

Edwitness
Edwitness

The scripture referring to those who profess to be Jews and are not is a reference to the religion of Rome whose seat is at the vatican. The harlot of Rev.17 and 18. They believe that their religion replaced Israel. And that they are now the chosen people. That somehow they are spiritual Israel and physical Israel is no more.
But, they have not replaced Israel as God’s chosen people. Because spiritual Israel are those Israelites who have received Jesus as savior. The fulfillment of the law that was written on stone being now written on each of their hearts. And physical Israel are they who God will finish His work in during the time of Jacob’s trouble. The 70th week of Daniel yet to be fulfilled.
Blessings:-}

Diogenes
Diogenes

“But, they have not replaced Israel as God’s chosen people.”

If THEY are his chosen people, then I want nothing to do with this insane god.

In the name of the Aeon Sophia, archons out!
Diogenes

i forget
i forget

Oy vey…Israel’s Israel, jews aren’t Israel, nor monolithic in any other regard, either. Conflating an organized criminal operation like Iz, or sammyland, with “the jews” cuts no ice, capitulates plenty ass.

Criminals are criminals, are sprinkled liberally amongst the human population, & are loved liberally, by much, if not most, of the human population.

Pogophers, artfully dodging themselves, their culpability, while snaking whatever pockets they can & claiming dickens made ‘em do it is the tape(worm)stry…not this bit of en-cheeked dental floss.

Slaya
Slaya

What’s so great about Iran again? Didn’t Obama give them like 400 million cash and now those fanatics get nuclear fission too? What does Iran need nuclear power for when they are sitting on a sea of oil?

Zarathustra

What an idiot you are. You are the epitome of the Doofus Americanus. A brainwashed tool.

1) Obama gave them nothing. The money was theirs.
2) Who says they are fanatics? Fuck you. I say Americans are the fanatics.
3) What business of yours is it if Iran has nuclear power? Iran is a signatory in good faith in all international agreements. Iran is a sovereign nation, one that is a thousand times older than the US. Who are you to say what it can and can not have. Fuck you. Goh Bokhor.

It is Israel that is the rogue state, led by fanatics and war criminals. It is Israel that is a signatory to no international nuclear agreements. Israel’s nuclear weapons are illegal under international law. Clearly if there is to be a war to rid the middle east of tyrants and terrorism, it must be directed at Israel.

Slaya
Slaya

The world needs the Iranian fanatics to have nuclear energy like Prince needed fentanyl. All you ever need to know about Iran is in this movie:

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Zarathustra

A movie based on events that occurred in 1984, only a few years after the revolution and during the height of the war with Iraq. Clearly the situation in Iran hasn’t changed an iota since then.

Andrea Iravani

I never saw the movie, but I am certain that I know at least 100 times more than you do about Iran. Nobody with any knowledge would ever take a single movie about one woman and her child and apply it as the only thing that anyone needs to know about an entire country. That is just plain idiotic.

It is like taking Hillary Clinton’s biography, and telling people in the Middle East, that that is all that they need to know about America.

Slaya
Slaya

From The Drudge Report today:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-halal-internet-means-more-control-unrest-103821258.html

If Iran is so great after all these years then why don’t you fuckers just move there then?

Edwitness
Edwitness

Iran is Persia and according to Ezekiel plays a role yet future in the time of testing for Israel called Daniel’s 70 weeks. Or the time of Jacob’s (Israel) trouble. Persia will need those nukes.
Blessings:-}

Zarathustra

Don’t forget that the Persians constructed the second temple. Its construction was ordered by Cyrus and completed under the reign of Darius I. It would not be far from the truth to say that Second Temple Judaism was a fusion of Persian Zoroastrianism and Hebrew oral traditions. From the time of the end of the Babylonian exile up until the conquests of Alexander, Israel (then known as Palestine…see Herodotus), was under Persian rule yet there is not a single word in the entire Old Testament critical of them. Why?

Edwitness
Edwitness

Very little is written about that time for Israel. Yet we see in the Old Testament prophecies that God’s wrath is to be against Persia when He comes to deliver Israel. And God brought Persia to her end as world empire because of her idols.
If things were great between the two peoples and Israel borrowed so much from their beliefs, then why would they be at odds with each other when all is said and done? Because the true God rules for Israel. The false gods for Persia/Babylon.
Blessings:-}

Zarathustra

In the past, I have discussed this issue with Rabbis. One told me his belief was that God revealed himself to two peoples. In other words, Yahweh and Ahura Mazda are two names for the same God.

I don’t even know what you are talking about. Since the time of the Babylonian exile and the deliverance from it due to Shah Kurosh (Cyrus the Great), Jews have lived in Persia and still do to this day. Historically Jews and Persians were allies. I think you are just making shit up to justify the demonization of Persians, in support of the satanic modern malignant tumor know as modern Israel, which is completely outside of the biblical canon.

Edwitness
Edwitness

“Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee……” Ezekiel 38
This is an end time prophecy that will be fulfilled in the great tribulation.
Blessings:-}

Andrea Iravani

Edwitness- You fucking moron! It was not Persia! That was modern day Iraq! It was Babalonyia! You are babbling like an idiot! God has made you speak in toungues!

Edwitness
Edwitness

The prophecy came through Daniel. He described the kingdoms that would rule the earth till Jesus comes.
“This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.
And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.
And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.
And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.”
The Medo/Persian empire ruled after Babylon. This included the region that was only a portion of their empire we know today as Iraq.
Blessings:-}

Zarathustra

Daniel’s tomb is in Iran. Go there and visit it sometime.

Edwitness
Edwitness

Until the TSA is removed from the airports I choose not to fly. I have boycotted the airlines since they placed them there.
Blessings:-}

Jack
Jack

Why? Because the Persians did not consider a violent murdering pedophile to be the perfect man maybe?

Andrea Iravani

Zarahustra- Zenda baad. Balleh, man Duste Darram. Netenyahu Goh Khordee!

Zarathustra
TC
TC

The US is a vassal state which pays tribute of easily $15B a year, both directly and indirectly, to its master. As Netanyahu said, we’re a golden calf that will be bled dry by the nation that hates us.

Socratic Dog
Socratic Dog

I left this comment on the Hedge today, in reply to someone who had the temerity to suggest the JewSA is a banana republic. Figure it’s relevant.

“The US is not a Banana Republic. That would be too generous. It is a colony. A colony, once it throws off the colonial shackles, usually becomes a Banana Republic. We haven’t thrown them off, and show no signs of being likely to do so. We don’t even recognize that we’re a colony. We still think we’re the Land of the Free.

We became a Colony in 1913, of the Federal Reserve. Which means, of international zionism. Ownership was later transferred to the state of Israel. We are a colony of Israel. That’s all.”

nkit
nkit

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Mark
Mark

Believers can expect the Rapture before 2025
Posted on January 26, 2018 by Don Koenig

Believers can expect the Rapture before 2025

Tic…Tock

Diogenes
Diogenes

The “Rapture” is complete bullshit.

Mark
Mark

Diogenes,

I have wrestled for years with the timing of the Rapture, never its reality. Part of me still glances over at the Pre-Wrath crowd, but prepared for any timing.

But “bullshit” would not be a view I would debate unless you wanted to make a serious, respectful case.

Edwitness
Edwitness

Hey Mark, I’m glad to see you have no question as to the rapture being Biblical. That is my understanding as well.
Notice the lack of scholarship from those who reject the rapture being Biblical? Rapture is a transliteration of latin word rapturo that is in every latin Bible. The Greek, which is the original language of the New Testament, for this is harpadzo. So the doctrine is definitely Biblical.
It’s timing being placed before the tribulation has been believed since the days when Paul taught it. We know this because Paul believed and taught it.
1Thes4:17- “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (rapturo, harpadzo) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

Here are a few quotes from early Christian writings that will prove that the pre trib rapture has been believed and taught since the New Testament was written 2000 yrs ago.

Ireneaus, who lived from 130-202 AD said, “Those nations however, who did not of themselves raise up their eyes unto heaven, nor returned thanks to their Maker, nor wished to behold the light of truth, but who were like blind mice concealed in the depths of ignorance…. when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, “There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.”

Cyprian, who lived from 200-258 AD and was beheaded for his faith said this about the rapture and the great trib that would follow,
“We who see that terrible things have begun, and know that still more terrible things are imminent, may regard it as the greatest advantage to depart from it as quickly as possible. Do you not give God thanks, do you not congratulate yourself, that by an early departure you are taken away, and delivered from the shipwrecks and disasters that are imminent? Let us greet the day which assigns each of us to his own home, which snatches us hence, and sets us free from the snares of the world and restores us to paradise and the kingdom.”

Ephraim, who lived from 306-373 AD said,
“Or do you not believe unless you see with your eyes? See to it that this sentence be not fulfilled among you of the prophet who declares: “Woe to those who desire to see the day of the Lord!” For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins.”

There are so many more that prove the notion false that the pre trib rapture doctrine started in the 18oo’s, that for someone to say they believe it did is proof of the poorest scholarship indeed.
This does not mean that the argument does not exist between those who believe in a pre trib rapture or mid or even post. But, it does mean that when someone says the rapture teaching started in the 1800’s they have absolutely no clue what they are talking about.
Blessings:-}

Mark
Mark

Edwitness,
I just checked back and saw your sound, serious reply!

Thanks buddy!

Yea, I’m familiar with the widespread claim that the Rapture doctrine was “invented” in 1830 by John Darby and then furthered by Scofield.

Like you said I’ll take Paul’s word on it and especially how I interpret the red letters.

My issue with the Rapture was the timing as all I was taught (but not in any detail) during my first Church and early walk was Pre-Trib and if you even brought up another possibility it could get testy. I don’t accept group think and struck out on my own for years.

I flirted with Pre-Wrath and built up a library of books on all views (all by wonderful Pastors, theologians, etc.) it is probably the greatest doctrine disagreement by rock solid Believers going and coming. I have come to believe that Pre is most likely…but that leaves me with great pain as I see it as close and closing …and I have many loved ones who are lost in the world.

Andrea Iravani

Nobody with dual citizenship with any country should be allowed to hold any position in any level of government in America. It is asking for treason, and it has been met with treason. It is not anti-Semitic. Having people in our government with Israeli citizenship has resulted in anti-American policies placing Israel first, and America second, in a non-reciprocal relationship. It is treason!

AIPAC, JStreet, and other Zionist organizations must register under FARA!

overthecliff
overthecliff

Hebrews are not synonymous with Jews. Israel is not synonymous with Judah . All Jews are Israelites but all Israelites are not Jews. Most importantly all Jews are not Jews some are Kenites.

Mark
Mark

overthecliff,

Thought this would interest you related to your comment.

“The thought that came to me is that high-powered bankers are in the process of taking over much of the wealth of America and the world. Most of these world bankers are thought to be Jews. However, it is more likely that these atheistic “Jews” are really Edomities that learned the Jewish culture. The Edomities became identified as Jews when “John Hyrcanus conquered the whole of Edom and undertook the forced conversion of its inhabitants to Judaism (Joseph., Ant. XIII, 9, 1). Thenceforth the Edomites became a section of the Jewish people.” (Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol. 6, (1971), p. 378; The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia (1977), p. 589).”

In the Jewish exodus back to Israel the Edomites take our gold with them.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

I saw the title “American Jews are Driving” and thought this would be an Eric Peters column. Those damn Jews and their four-cylinder cars!

Desertrat
Desertrat

Stipulating that Stucky is correct:

If you were a Jew living in Israel, what would you have your government do, vis-à-vis the US government?

Is it not rational to seek all the aid and assistance that you could get, when you are facing a much larger and wealthier group which has unendingly called for genocide?

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