THE FBI IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 17 DEATHS

The FBI are nothing but worthless twats, specializing in creating fake terrorist plots which they then foil, and attempting a silent coup against a sitting president. Doing their actual job of protecting the American people is not important to these assholes. They had multiple direct warnings this lunatic was going to commit mass murder. Gun control is fake news. The real news is the FBI is solely responsible for the deaths of these children.

They have the fucking balls to say their protocols weren’t followed and they are looking into the matter. Fuck their protocols. Their complete and utter incompetence resulted in the deaths of 17 children. I wonder what the parents of these slaughtered kids think about the fucking FBI protocols.

How many FBI heads will roll? The FBI agents who did not follow-up on these multiple warnings should go to prison or be hung by their balls . Fuck the FBI.

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While discussions of law enforcement’s lack of follow-through on warnings ahead of this week’s massacre at a Florida high-school have been active, The FBI has issued a statement admitting their error…

FBI Statement on the Shooting in Parkland, Florida

On January 5, 2018, a person close to Nikolas Cruz contacted the FBI’s Public Access Line (PAL) tipline to report concerns about him. The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.

Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life. The information then should have been forwarded to the FBI Miami Field Office, where appropriate investigative steps would have been taken.

We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5. The information was not provided to the Miami Field Office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time.

FBI Director Christopher Wray said:

“We are still investigating the facts. I am committed to getting to the bottom of what happened in this particular matter, as well as reviewing our processes for responding to information that we receive from the public. It’s up to all Americans to be vigilant, and when members of the public contact us with concerns, we must act properly and quickly.

We have spoken with victims and families, and deeply regret the additional pain this causes all those affected by this horrific tragedy. All of the men and women of the FBI are dedicated to keeping the American people safe, and are relentlessly committed to improving all that we do and how we do it.”

We await Trump’s response to his apparently fallible FBI’s poor performance.

 

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Dutchman
Dutchman
  Administrator
February 16, 2018 3:01 pm

Well they can put dangerous people in jail – like Martha Stewart, and fuck up someones life (like Flynn) for lying to them – one time – about an incident months and months ago.

The entire government – head to toe – needs a complete reset.

RHS Jr
RHS Jr
  Dutchman
February 16, 2018 3:51 pm

Fix Affirmative Action, Quotas, Busing, The Great Society, the Civil Riots Act, School Prayer, Diversity, Abortion and Divorce on Demand, Open Borders, Social Promotions, etc.

Ivan
Ivan
  RHS Jr
February 16, 2018 7:12 pm

Don’t forget THE BIG GAY LIE that has been shoved down our throats representing less than 3% of the population. Homosexualesbian and the other lot of sexually confused mental cases.

Stucky
Stucky
  Administrator
February 16, 2018 5:52 pm

I’m pretty sure the Chatham Copfuks once worked for the FBI.

It took them, what, almost two months to find me?? And I wasn’t even hiding!!!

——

Was gone all afternoon. Just got back. Where was I?

Well, the other day (when I took my dad to the eye doctor) I hit a pothole so deep I thought the axel might snap. Really. Can’t wait for Trump’s 1.5 trillion infrastructure bucks to repair Jersey roads … which are probably worse than 3rd world nations, for real. Anyway, I get home and discover one of the hubcaps is history. Now, where in the fuck does one find an identical hubcap for a 23 year old Buick??? Hub Caps Joe’s in Oradell NJ …. about an 80 mile round trip … $47.75 for one goddamned hubcap! But, I’m so damned happy right now that my baby is whole again that I could kiss that Q hating Anonymous bastard right on his cheek.

MMinLamesa
MMinLamesa
  Stucky
February 17, 2018 1:03 am

It is after all, the little things, ain’t it?

Ivan
Ivan
  Administrator
February 16, 2018 7:15 pm

Families of dead loved ones must file lawsuit on FBI for wrongful death.

Rise Up
Rise Up
  Ivan
February 16, 2018 10:39 pm

And now “officials” are calling for the high school to be torn down. Shades of Sandy Hook? (although the Sandy Hook has been dormant prior to the supposed shooting there).

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200564969.html

Not saying this was a total false flag like S.H., but you gotta wonder, especially if there was an active shooter drill the same day. Coincidence? How convenient!

https://thetruthserumblog.blogspot.com/2018/02/active-shooter-drill-at-parkland-school.html

Ivan
Ivan
  Rise Up
February 17, 2018 1:04 am

Uhhhmmmm…..you mean sandy hoax?

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
February 16, 2018 1:15 pm

We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5. The information was not provided to the Miami Field Office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time.

FBI Director Christopher Wray said:

“… It’s up to all Americans to be vigilant, and when members of the public contact us with concerns, we must act properly and quickly.

We have spoken with victims and families, and deeply regret the additional pain this causes all those affected by this horrific tragedy. All of the men and women of the FBI are dedicated to keeping the American people safe, and are relentlessly committed to improving all that we do and how we do it.”

How long does it take to determine what day the call was made, who answered the phone and who was responsible for dereliction of duty? Fifteen minutes? An hour? Who is it, when will they be arrested and tried as an accomplice?

The nerve to utter such a vacuous response as “All of the men and women of the FBI are dedicated to keeping the American people safe…” when they did the exact opposite resulting in the deaths of 17 and the wounding of another fifty people is beyond my capacity to fathom.

starfcker
starfcker
  hardscrabble farmer
February 16, 2018 1:34 pm

Hardscrabble, I just copied the exact phrase you did to use in the post. No need, since you already captured it. Christopher Wray needs to realize no, those assholes are dedicated to their pension. They could give a shit about their job. They need to figure out anyone who touch this and fire them. If the public service union wants to fight squash them, too. Let them feel the wrath of an angry federal government

Dutchman
Dutchman
  hardscrabble farmer
February 16, 2018 3:03 pm

FBI are dedicated to keeping the American people safe, and are recklessly committed to improving all that we do and how we do it

relentlessly –> recklessly

Westcoastdeplorable
Westcoastdeplorable
  hardscrabble farmer
February 16, 2018 10:49 pm

“And you’re doin’ a heckuva job, Brownie”.

BL
BL
  Administrator
February 16, 2018 1:24 pm

Why were there secret service agent visits to the teachers in the Parkland School one month before the event ? Why was there (and there always is) an active shooter drill right before the event? How can you not include the possibility that Cruz was set up?

BL
BL
  BL
February 16, 2018 1:36 pm

News reports stated that Cruz was in the hall talking to a female student when the first round of gunfire was heard. He was not armed at that time…..you can down that if you like but the news reports are easily accessible. Who fired the shots?

Maggie
Maggie
  BL
February 16, 2018 1:41 pm

I think the girl talked to him after he’d dropped his weapon perhaps. There may have been additional shooters, but he was one of them, I believe.

I am thinking more along the lines that the FBI, like the KGB, are opportunists. They probably have any number of rogue agents in the field, paid for by funds Ollie North called slush funds, like those at HUD he like to lift a few dollars from for the Sandinistas.

So, the FBI gets a tip about a wanna be shooter, this Cruz kid. Check him out, make sure he’s got what he needs and when a crisis is needed so as to not “waste” it, trigger the guy, let him be the fall guy and send some professionals to do the rest.

Is what I’d do if I was a corrupt federal agent who didn’t give a damn about anything but my own skin. It comes natural to Federal Parasites.

BL
BL
  Maggie
February 16, 2018 1:59 pm

Well Maggie, it would be very hard for him to have fired off rounds in another part of the building while talking to that girl without a firearm, or did I miss something? So somebody fired the rounds and it was not the lone nut kid at that particular moment if the news reporter had his story straight after interviewing the female student.

Maggie
Maggie
  BL
February 16, 2018 2:04 pm

I am guessing, if she spoke with him at all, it was after he’d put his gun(s) down. I am suggesting she was confused about When she saw him.

I’ve heard that eyewitnesses sometimes get confused.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  BL
February 16, 2018 2:01 pm

I looked for those reports but can’t find them, search results produce way too many results to find anything unless you know exact search terms to use.

Can you link to them?

BL
BL
  Anonymous
February 16, 2018 2:13 pm

Easiest thing to do is go to BIN and look for the eyewitness post concerning the Parkland shooting . The girl’s name is Alexa Meade.

Edit: It was linked here last night also, try the BAN-HAMMER thread.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  BL
February 16, 2018 2:52 pm

Alexa Miednik, found her on YouTube and some other places.

https://www.inquisitr.com/4787788/alexa-miednik-said-she-talked-to-nikolas-cruz-during-shooting-definitely-had-to-be-at-least-two-shooters/

Some of the commenters seem to be questioning her credibility for various reasons, wouldn’t mind finding out more. All reporting I found seems to stem from the same video source.

steve
steve
  Anonymous
February 16, 2018 7:27 pm

multiple shooter interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x58j40CS6Vw

AKQ
AKQ
  steve
February 17, 2018 8:17 am

She seems credible at first, but then it seems a bit scripted later. And that big grin when she says “suspect” looks a bit fishy. But, still… it doesn’t help prove your point or the other wrong. I’m beginning to think there really is no point to any of this, which suggests it is a distraction.

For what? What do these big crisis events hide every time? I try to keep my eye on the real enemy: Congress Critters and their Bureaucratic Army.

I hope one of you really clever data miners here can tell me why it was that Hoover was in control of that agency for so very long? How does that happen?

So, with the truth stated so plainly on the title, how long before the fbi takes a shot at the potus?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jfk-assassination-files-hoover-said-fbi-must-convince-the-public-oswald-acted-alone/

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  BL
February 16, 2018 3:20 pm

Yep this whole “story” reeks! They shooting was intentional and carried out by the usual suspects. How? See this and think:

starfcker
starfcker
  Administrator
February 16, 2018 1:36 pm

Corruption, That’s what.

JLUCAS
JLUCAS
  starfcker
February 20, 2018 6:29 pm

THE FBI, (EXCLUSIVELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATHS OF 17 CHILDREN)
NOW YOU SEE HOW CORRUPT, SELF CENTERED, ENTITLED. ENTITLED, ENTITLED THIS AGENCY CAN BE! SCARY!

CCRider
CCRider
  Administrator
February 16, 2018 2:00 pm

Was there EVER a time when they weren’t the state’s gestapo? They mix in the stuff they get right like catching bank robbers (did you know Jesse James, Dillinger and Bonny & Clyde were folk hero’s in their day? Cause back then people hated banks. Who disagrees with that?) with the stuff they do for the owners they’re beholden to.

It’s not corruption. It’s a deceitful and immoral model.

RS
RS
  Administrator
February 16, 2018 2:51 pm

MKUltra…Q implied it.

Rise Up
Rise Up
  RS
February 16, 2018 10:09 pm

Feb 15 2018 15:30:51
Q !UW.yye1fxo ID: 8ec7df
388363
>>388315
Yes.
Target subjects are pre disposable to certain mental illnesses.
Target subjects are scouted over a period of time to study and arrange ‘THERAPY’.
‘THERAPY’ takes [x] to break the mind into a functional/programmable device.
Science Fiction?
Q

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  RS
February 17, 2018 1:36 am

Q has had the anons on a search for original information regarding MKUltra …..And here it is. The anons found it:

** Clowns (In America) are what Q calls the CIA.

“Q, Anons, I’ve been following these drops since day one, but this is the first I’m hearing of this “Behold a Pale Horse” book from 1991, by Bill Cooper. It actually describes clowns planning to use school shootings as a way to disarm the citizenry.

This looks legit to me, astonishing as the quotes are. What say you all?

Behold a Pale Horse — Milton William (Bill) Cooper, 1991

http:// a.co/0IZY9ra

“Bill Cooper, former United States Naval Intelligence Briefing Team member, reveals information that remains hidden from the public eye. This information has been kept in topsecret government files since the 1940s. His audiences hear the truth unfold as he writes about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the war on drugs, the secret government, and UFOs. Bill is a lucid, rational, and powerful speaker whose intent is to inform and to empower his audience. Standing room only is normal. His presentation and information transcend partisan affiliations as he clearly addresses issues in a way that has a striking impact on listeners of all backgrounds and interests. He has spoken to many groups throughout the United States and has appeared regularly on many radio talk shows and on television. In 1988 Bill decided to “talk” due to events then taking place worldwide, events that he had seen plans for back in the early 1970s. Bill correctly predicted the lowering of the Iron Curtain, the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the invasion of Panama. All Bill’s predictions were on record well before the events occurred. Bill is not a psychic. His information comes from top secret documents that he read while with the Intelligence Briefing Team and from over seventeen years of research.””

And Q’s response:

Q !UW.yye1fxo 02/16/18 (Fri) 16:53:19 732b35 No.402380
>>402088
BIG!
Q

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IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  IndenturedServant
February 17, 2018 1:57 am

These fuckers have been working on this mind control shit since at least the 40’s. These sick fucks have figured out a way to turn innocent, mentally ill/disabled children in to weapons of mass destruction. To add insult to injury after orchestrating these mass killings of the most vulnerable among us, they then conspire (RICO) with a complicit media to use the very killings they caused to steal our fucking guns!

I’m thinking that A LOT MORE people are going to be executed for their crimes than I originally thought.

To generally understand and strongly suspect and even feel it in your gut that all of this shit is true is one thing but to be learning that so many tin foil hat conspiracy stories are actually true is something that leaves me feeling physically ill. I have no children of my own by conscious choice but cannot stand to see children abused. I’m not sure is a more magnificent thing exists anywhere on earth than a human child and to know that these evil traitors have such low regard for this exquisite bundle of potential is beyond an outrage. Death is too good for these vermin. They should be fed at a very slow rate and feet first into a dull woodchipper and sprayed onto an ocean of sewage.

Being simply depraved would be a step up for these bastards.

Dutchman
Dutchman
  Administrator
February 16, 2018 3:04 pm

What’s going on?

Collecting a check.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  Administrator
February 16, 2018 3:26 pm

“What’s going on?”

The final writhing twists and turns of a dying cabal of elitist scumbag overlords. That is what is going on.

StBernardnot
StBernardnot
  Administrator
February 16, 2018 4:15 pm

I ain’t answerin’ that! It’s too easy! It’s a trick question! A bunch of arrogant college boys that don’t know s–t.
Answer to admin @1:21

Montefrío
Montefrío
  Administrator
February 16, 2018 4:32 pm

I assume that’s a rhetorical question.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  Montefrío
February 16, 2018 10:29 pm

Glad to see you’re still here. I thought you were signing off for good the other day.

wholy1
wholy1
  Administrator
February 16, 2018 6:47 pm

Really getting frustrated why NOBODY is acknowledging the fact that the FBI is ROTTEN from top to bottom. This may very likely be another “Feral Bastard Instigation/Intimidation/Insurrection” (FBI) “Test-Access-Expose”/”Roll-Out-Roll-Up” op to 1) test their [continued] control program, 2) access the media/plebs reaction, 3) expose any FBI op/players that may NOT be totally committed to said “cover-up/control” by the CRIMINAL State. It also compromises any/all new/unverified gov-agents to said program who will probably be ordered to “visit/intimidate” all the “problem witnesses” and confiscate all the CCTV recordings thereby solidifying their continued complicity. I find it difficult to believe that – to my knowledge – not even ONE of the INDEPENDENT Media are not aware/have not disclosed said BASTARDS as NRVs – No Redeeming Value – along with the likes of the HildaBeast, Soros, Sick Chaney, Eric [the race-baiting] Holder, Valerie Jarrett, just to mention a few of the more notables. After Aurora, Sandy Hook, San Bernardino, Orlando, Charlottesville, Las Vegas and now Parkland, just to mention a FEW of the more “notable” COVER-UPS, what more PROOF is required for SOMEBODY to at least PUBLICLY entertain the POSSIBILITY of said?

Gayle
Gayle
  Administrator
February 16, 2018 7:09 pm

The swamp creatures infesting the FBI like mass shootings. They hope devotion to the second amendment will fade.

Westcoastdeplorable
Westcoastdeplorable
  Administrator
February 16, 2018 10:55 pm

Admin, I think what we’re seeing is more and more of the “Deep State” or “Breakaway Civilization” showing itself. They don’t exist for our benefit and that’s what is being demonstrated.

Dutchman
Dutchman
  Administrator
February 16, 2018 3:05 pm

I think he was ordering out, and the cop’s do dual duty for Domino’s.

unit472/
unit472/
February 16, 2018 1:24 pm

Sounds like Trump has grounds to fire Wray for incompetence.

ragman
ragman
February 16, 2018 1:26 pm

The blood of 17 dead poeple and many more injured is on the hands of the POS “sheriff “. And yesterday he had the balls to call for more gun control. WTF?

starfcker
starfcker
  ragman
February 16, 2018 1:37 pm

Don’t blame Scott, he’s a good guy.

Maggie
Maggie
  starfcker
February 16, 2018 1:53 pm

Many of them appear to start out that way.

unit472/
unit472/
February 16, 2018 1:29 pm

Worth noting Wray was really on top of that White House aide accused of hitting his ex wife 17 years ago when he was before Congress a few days ago.

Of course that investigation was aimed at getting White House Chief of Staff John Kelly’s scalp and undermining the Trump presidency seems to be the FBI’s core mission not protecting the American people.

starfcker
starfcker
February 16, 2018 1:29 pm

Quinn, that’s why we love you. Stick your neck out, tell it like it is. Those motherfuckers are absolute pieces of shit. Think about all the bullshit that’s been going on with the DOJ and FBI and yet they have 35,000 agents and not one of them has stood up and said I’m not going along with this. They’re just like any other government drone, their busy cashing their checks and counting the days till their pensions. Fire them all

Gilnut
Gilnut
February 16, 2018 1:34 pm

“Law Enforcement” is a sham, it’s always been a sham. It exists for 2 primary reasons; 1. To give the plebes a false sense of security. 2. A means for force in keeping the plebes in line or extracting further funds, as necessary.

Ammo
Ammo
  Administrator
February 16, 2018 6:31 pm

I hope you called out for pizza Admin, cuz it is the only way your going to get them to put their weapons down—feed ’em

Maggie
Maggie
February 16, 2018 1:38 pm

Am kind of creeped out by the Domestic Terrorism Bill introduced in Congress earlier this month.

Especially #7

I came across discussion of this bill in congress and it may be one of those bills that never get out of subcommittee, but it looks a bit ominous, especially coming out of Illinois, that bastion of civil liberty and personal responsibility and with the Timing

https://www.congress.gov/…/115th-cong…/house-bill/4918/text…
Actual verbiage:
Congress finds the following:
(1) White supremacists and other right-wing extremists are the most significant domestic terrorism threat facing the United States.
(2) An unclassified May 2017 joint intelligence bulletin from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Homeland Security found that “white supremacist extremism poses [a] persistent threat of lethal violence,” and that White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement”.
(3) According to the New America Foundation, since September 11, 2001, 77 Americans have died in terrorist attacks by domestic extremists in the United States. Eighty-nine percent were killed by far-right-wing extremists.
(4) The fatal attacks described in paragraph (3) include—
(A) the August 5, 2012, mass shooting at a Sikh gurdwara in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, in which a White supremacist shot and killed 6 members of the gurdwara;
(B) the April 13, 2014, mass shooting at a Jewish community center and a Jewish assisted living facility in Overland Park, Kansas, in which a neo-Nazi shot and killed 3 civilians, including a 14-year-old teenager;
(C) the June 8, 2014, ambush in Las Vegas, Nevada, in which 2 supporters of the far right-wing “patriot” movement shot and killed 2 police officers and a civilian;
(D) the June 17, 2015, mass shooting at the Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina, in which a White supremacist shot and killed 9 members of the church;
(E) the November 27, 2015, mass shooting at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colorado, in which an anti-abortion extremist shot and killed a police officer and 2 civilians;
(F) the March 20, 2017, murder of an African-American man in New York City, allegedly committed by a White supremacist who reportedly traveled to New York “for the purpose of killing black men”;
(G) the May 26, 2017, attack in Portland, Oregon, in which a White supremacist allegedly murdered 2 men and injured a third after the men defended 2 young women whom the individual had targeted with anti-Muslim hate speech; and
(H) the August 12, 2017, attack in Charlottesville, Virginia, in which a White supremacist allegedly killed one and injured nineteen after driving his car through a crowd of individuals protesting a neo-Nazi rally, and of which Attorney General Jeff Sessions said, “It does meet the definition of domestic terrorism in our statute.”.
(5) The Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism found that right-wing extremists were responsible for 150 terrorist acts, attempted acts, and plots and conspiracies that took place in the United States between 1993 and 2017. These attacks resulted in the deaths of 255 people and injured more than 600.
(6) According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, in 2015, for the first time in 5 years, the number of hate groups in the United States rose by 14 percent. The increase included a more than twofold rise in the number of Ku Klux Klan chapters. The number of anti-government militias and “patriot” groups also grew by 14 percent in 2015.
(7) In November 2017, the Federal Bureau of Investigation released its annual hate crime incident report, which found that in 2016, hate crimes increased by almost 5 percent, including a 19-percent rise in hate crimes against American Muslims. Similarly, the previous year’s report found that in 2015, hate crimes increased by 6 percent. Much of that increase came from a 66-percent rise in attacks on American Muslims. In both reports, race-based crimes were most numerous; more than 50 percent of those hate crimes targeted African Americans.
(8) In January 2017, a right-wing extremist who had expressed anti-Muslim views was charged with murder for allegedly killing 6 people and injuring nineteen in a shooting rampage at a mosque in Quebec City, Canada. It was the first-ever mass shooting at a mosque in North America, and Prime Minister Trudeau labeled it a terrorist attack.
(9) Between January and July 2017, news reports found 63 incidents in which American mosques were targeted by threats, vandalism, or arson. […]
End excerpt

AC
AC
  Maggie
February 16, 2018 4:02 pm

HR4918 – (((Rep. Schneider, Bradley Scott))) [D-IL-10] (Introduced 02/02/2018)
Cosponsored by:
Rep. Thompson, Bennie G. [D-MS-2] 02/02/2018
Rep. Kelly, Robin L. [D-IL-2] 02/02/2018
Rep. Correa, J. Luis [D-CA-46] 02/02/2018
Rep. Gonzalez, Vicente [D-TX-15] 02/02/2018
Rep. Bishop, Sanford D., Jr. [D-GA-2] 02/08/2018
Nice cross section of foreign agents and traitors.

Take a close look at the ‘Central Staff’ of the New America Foundation.
https://www.newamerica.org/central-staff/
You would be hard pressed to find a shittier group of people.

John
John
  AC
February 16, 2018 8:05 pm

“Hard pressed to find a shittier group of people” except for both the ADL and SPLC referenced as credible sources in the bill.

Look at the officers of “New America” instead of the staff. Chairman Lenny Mendonca and president Anne-Marie Slaughter are members of the Rockefeller CFR. Slaughter is also an advisor at the neocon “Center for a New American Security” (CNAS), founded by CFR members.

https://www.newamerica.org/board/
https://www.cnas.org/people/anne-marie-slaughter

CNAS is the successor to the neocon “Project for a New American Century” (PNAC), which was also loaded with CFR members:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article186381.html

Most of the other “New America” directors are also CFR members, including: Robert Abernethy (Atlantic Council), David Bradley (CFR director), Michael Crow (McCain Inst), James Fallows, Helene Gayle (CSIS), Zachary Karabell, Walter Mead (UANI), Reihan Salam, Jonathan Soros, and Fareed Zakaria (former CFR director).

RHS Jr
RHS Jr
  Maggie
February 16, 2018 4:04 pm

Thank you Maggie for exposing a Communist Cell in Congress hard at work under the cover of “The Rulers of Darkness” busy subverting Democracy. The Social Science Professor at FSU who kicked me out of class would be Apoplectic about it but Joseph McCarthy and Brother John Birch would be pleased (as is God).

Gayle
Gayle
  Maggie
February 16, 2018 5:50 pm

I want to know how these knowledgeable (freaking lying) “authorities” (FBI, DHS, and the New American Foundation) distinguish between a crime committed by a white person and a hate crime committed by a white person. I can only assume there is a different set of criteria for all the other races.

I am so sick of this bullshit.

Maggie
Maggie
  Gayle
February 16, 2018 6:55 pm

Notice how most crimes mentioned are white supremacist and right-wing patriot on victim…

wordgames.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Maggie
February 16, 2018 10:12 pm

Wow, Maggie! 49 homicides in 16 years! I would be shakin in my boots if I wasn’t a white person. They lumped a bunch of nutcases together and dubbed it “WHITE SUPREMACIST!!!!

The Overland Park homicides were against jewish people that turned out to not be jews. The guy was an idiot. You can bet your sweet bippy these are all lone nutjobs. The SPLC is behind this? Figures.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
February 16, 2018 1:43 pm

I haven’t read the news about this shooting. There’s no difference between this shooting and the last shooting. It’s bullshit this guy was making statements on Youtube and Instagram under his real name and the FBI couldn’t be bothered to track a simple IP address or contact his cell provider for an exact location. I don’t believe anything these goons say anymore. If their lips are moving…

Maggie
Maggie
  Stephanie Shepard
February 16, 2018 1:59 pm

Good to see you here, Steph. I know you are a bit older than high school, but you are closer to that mindset than most of us:

Given what you have seen in your life regarding school shootings, can you explain anything about why so many young people have absolutely no regard for the lives of their peers? Why are these young men (and, I suspect it will be women soon with the increasing glimpses at mean girls fighting in the streets) doing this?

Why do people deny it has anything to do with violence in media and video games, specifically 1st person shooter games?

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  Maggie
February 16, 2018 2:06 pm

Simple. They give themselves permission to kill other people. They’ve got a God complex that entitles them to take out their grievances by “punishing” society.

I don’t think violence in movies or video games is a cause. The entitlement comes first then violent culture fuels their fantasy.

Maggie
Maggie
  Stephanie Shepard
February 16, 2018 6:57 pm

These mass killers kill so easily and so brutally. It is so coldly evil.

Westcoastdeplorable
Westcoastdeplorable
  Stephanie Shepard
February 16, 2018 11:06 pm

Wow! That’s cold! Thx for the honesty.

unit472/
unit472/
February 16, 2018 2:05 pm

I’m sure the parents of the dead teenagers will be glad to know that the FBI and DOJ left no stone unturned to track down 13 Russians playing dirty tricks on social media during the 2016 elections. Of course this left them short of manpower to investigate a madman threatening to shoot up a high school.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
February 16, 2018 2:06 pm

So when do we find out which antidepressants he was on?

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
  Zarathustra
February 16, 2018 2:27 pm

In the case of Nikolas Cruz, the 19-year-old Florida mass-shooter, his mother’s sister, Barbara Kumbatovich, told the Miami Herald that she believed Cruz was on medication to deal with his emotional fragility.

Media ignoring 1 crucial factor in Florida school shooting

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 16, 2018 2:08 pm

What happened to those bills the Florida Republicans were passing a few years ago to allow teachers to be armed?

Maybe that heroic coach that got shot trying to protect students from the bullets using his body would still be around, along with the dead students, if he had had a gun to protect them instead.

No one seems to be talking about that when placing blame, not politically correct to do so I presume.

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
  Anonymous
February 16, 2018 2:29 pm

Armed teachers not required – the school was a Gun Free Zone

Anonymous
Anonymous

Oh, of course.

orgonesexbox
orgonesexbox
February 16, 2018 2:29 pm

Come on guys, You know the FBI agents and NSA are too busy trying to find naked pictures of people on their computers to mess with such low level threats.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  orgonesexbox
February 16, 2018 2:54 pm

Or investigating Russian memes on Facebook…

sofa
sofa
February 16, 2018 3:55 pm

sad. since when is the government responsible for your kids?
in any sane society, parents are responsible for their children, up to adulthood.

fail to protect your children from monsters, and lose your civilization.

a belief system in which the state supersedes parental responsibility is a fundamental problem. and it directly contributes to such horrific deaths of innocent children “at the alter of statism”.

sofa
sofa
  Administrator
February 16, 2018 7:16 pm

so the state failed. over and over and over. yet again.
situation they deliberately created by punishing regular people who would protect kids within state run schools. and the result is people calling for more state!?

the state created the ‘gun free zones’ precisely so that children would be sacrificed- knowing that would further the war against guns and against men. the state is incapable of protecting children or anyone else. each death is testament to the failure of the religion of statism.

individuals are responsible.
not tribes of government workers at the holy church of statism.

tribes of state workers = bad.
individual responsibility and liberty = good.

licking the boots of sheriff and begging his super sheriffs for more suppression is precisely the situation the state desired when they created the gun free zones.

looking to the state for protect you?
when seconds count, that sheriff is just 20 minutes away.

western civ?
american values: individuals are responsible for their children, not the state.
marxist concept: kids are the responsibility of the state, not the parents. and the state always needs more powers, to protect the children…

contemplate. then understand that furthering the state always makes things worse.
responsible individuals are the answer.
historically, that’s what distinguished america from the other shitholes.

individuals believing in the state über alles – that is who is responsible.

Michael Thomas
Michael Thomas
February 16, 2018 4:37 pm

The entire Seventh Floor of the FBI must resign. They’ve spent countless resources pushing forward a fake case for collusion, been intimately involved in a coup against the President, ruined innocent people’s lives, and are directly responsible for 17 deaths and as many injuries in Florida. The families of the attacked students should sue the FBI and its leadership for 10’s of millions of dollars each. What a fraud the FBI is.

Any conclusion the FBI makes going forward is tainted and not to be believed.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
February 16, 2018 5:15 pm

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TC
TC
February 16, 2018 5:30 pm

The entire FBI should be disbanded and all staff fired. Every last one of them.

Allin
Allin
February 16, 2018 5:57 pm

It isn’t the first (or last) time the FBI dropped the ball after receiving information about an attack on this country.

In August 1941, a spy provide the attack plans for Pearl Harbor to the FBI. Of course the plans were to detailed to be believable, so they did nothing. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=fbi+pearl+harbor+report+not+believable&t=hg&ia=web

And how can forget about the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, in which the FBI aided the culprits in the attack. http://r.duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whatreallyhappened.com%2FRANCHO%2FPOLITICS%2FOK%2Fwtcbomb.html

Makes one wonder Who they really are working for.

Ivan
Ivan
February 16, 2018 7:09 pm

FBI and other letters in alphabet soup are more interested in staging a coup than protecting and defending the Constitution of the United States and it’s citizens.

LaGeR
LaGeR
February 16, 2018 7:34 pm

Of extended fam & close friends: I see 2 fibbie agents that are married; 1 administrative female who has more than 30 years with them, 1 ATF agent, a couple of sheriffs, and a few cops.

The administrative gal is a sweetheart, and she takes issue with how the media continually trashes Trump and thinks it is heavily biased and wrong. So, we have that.
I asked her, but she feigned ignorance about a couple of the FISA stinkers, though.
Not sure if she was keeping mum, or truly wasn’t aware of who they were or what they’d done.
This conversation was 2-3 months ago, before a lot of the information was out there.

They’re like family; all good people, but they don’t talk too much about work.
If you’re not one of them, they keep the chatter among themselves mostly. Closed ranks, eh?

At a group dinner last week, I thought about asking a different fibber her opinion about the FISA gang hierarchy that stinks, but didn’t, to keep the family dinner peaceful.

Most of the women in this one circle I roam are predominantly libprogs, and a few work in the school systems. Another one is getting hitched to another woman this summer. Sigh…

Another is a niece; a sweet young mother with two great young boys, who studied hard and has a doctorate degree from a major university in psychology. But she is lib to the core.
I stopped sending her emails about anything mentioning social justice opinions.

Stopped asking the law people and educators about their work, and don’t discuss politics with any of the women anymore. Too emotional, irrational; unable to keep an open mind.

If I brought a couple of platform monkees into a social event, whoo boy, the shit would start flying fast & furious. The bitches would really get their panties in a twist. So, no.

Out of all these people, the one I have the most in common with is the ATF guy.
Guess why. He’s white, conservative, does his job with fairness, likes women; loves kids, will have a beer with me, we like sports, swap laughs about many topics, & despise thugs who prey on innocents, women and children. He’s a generous, good guy.
Him, and him alone, I’ll talk to about some of the shit swirling around this whirlwind we see.

But even with him, I asked about why it’s been so quiet for 4 months about Vegas.
Avoided the question, with a brief mumble about bump stocks, & segued to a different topic.
I dropped it. Out of the people I’ve mentioned, him and I get along best at gatherings, and
want to keep that. It’s not worth it for me, putting him on the spot and stirring up shit.
It would do no good, to start needling him about Waco and Ruby Ridge Or SWAT teams.

I don’t know the numbers, but I can say that none of them are struggling economically.
Public servant jobs pay well.
As a taxpayer who has to fund these types, I feel like we’re not getting our money’s worth.

If a private company ran the way their organizations ran, they’d be out of business already.
Bankrupt. Poor results. Advancing policies in direct conflict with much of what I believe.

And so it goes…

sofa
sofa
  LaGeR
February 16, 2018 8:00 pm

the state becomes the primary employer. producing…”security”?
like east germany, russia, china.

James
James
  LaGeR
February 17, 2018 7:07 am

Lager,can I come to the next barbecue?

LaGeR
LaGeR
  James
February 17, 2018 8:31 am

You a shit stirrer, James? As I suspect? Lol. I can hear it now…who brought in THAT guy???

James
James
  LaGeR
February 17, 2018 9:02 am

I would though be unfailingly polite and a bit serious,would wait till folks I wanted to chat with if possible had a few beers in them/were relaxed ect.

OK,I admit it,would be asked to leave!Oh,and since govt. agents assume armed and would comply(in this instance!).

I admit would have a tough time at family reunions ect. with family with that background,but hell,are not all family gatherings a bit of a chore!

Llpoh
Llpoh
February 16, 2018 7:47 pm

I believe the entire system has become too big to manage. Expecting any government agency to be competent is a fool’s errand. 330 million people, endless agencies and government drones, endless welfare systems, etc., is simply a system too big to handle.

In my career I have seen this happen many times in business. Businesses grow too large, and then struggle. They put in systems in an attempt to eliminate human error. The systems invariably are built around the lowest common denominator – the stupidest employee. These systems usually fail, as greatness springs from a small number of talented individuals, not from masses of average or below average individuals.

When the auto makers hit this wall, what they did was to outsource everything but assembly. They were once manufacturers of engines, transmissions, body panels, etc. But they could not control the beast when it became too large. So they carved off more and more to outside companies, and began to become assemblers rather than true manufacturers.

The US is too big to competently control, in my opinion. It simply cannot be done, and we should stop expecting that it can be competently managed.

I believe that the only answer would be to send power down to smaller units, to states, or perhaps to units even small than that. The fed govt should provide defence and infrastructure – and perhaps nothing else whatsoever, abdicating responsibility for everything else to the smaller units.

The US is incapable of managing what it has become, and nothing will change that. It has become too big and too complex, and the only answer I see is to devolve back to small govt units. The big govt system has failed. As it always was destined to do.

Stephanie Shepard
Stephanie Shepard
  Llpoh
February 16, 2018 7:55 pm

Pretty accurate.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Llpoh
February 16, 2018 10:18 pm

“The US is too big to competently control”

And there are people who think they can control the entire world. Imagine that..huh? Only one way they can do that.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
  Llpoh
February 16, 2018 11:17 pm

Well said with some over simplification in some areas and little on solutions . No problem , cut all fed budgets in most if not all offices by 5% every six months for several years is a start . We should also add an industrial engineering firm to survey all offices and demand a performance level or your services will no longer be needed , get your coat your personal things will be UPS shipped to you with your final payment

Persnickety
Persnickety
  Llpoh
February 17, 2018 12:11 am

“I believe that the only answer would be to send power down to smaller units, to states, or perhaps to units even small than that. The fed govt should provide defence and infrastructure – and perhaps nothing else whatsoever, abdicating responsibility for everything else to the smaller units. ”

Gee, what a radical idea… for 1788. As I’m sure you and others know, this is precisely what the US Constitution provides for. The operation to the contrary results from FDR’s “soft coup” of the 1930’s. The Constitution was never changed to move away from this, we just had a succession of corrupt presidents and incompetent Congresses that failed to follow the supreme law.

jamesthedeplorablewanderer
jamesthedeplorablewanderer
  Llpoh
February 17, 2018 1:03 am

“It has become too big and too complex, and the only answer I see is to devolve back to small govt units.”
Nice try, but look closer – the small units are frequently no better. Let’s pick a state I’m in now, Utah. The power is in two specific units: the LDS Church and the Republican Party. If the Church wants it, it gets it, which can lead to some pretty weird things: mixed drinks cannot be observed in construction in public restaurants, apparently because that might encourage alcoholism, or something; so there’s a partition, the “Zion Curtain”, between restaurant patrons and the person mixing the drinks. The state runs the liquor stores, and certain things (such as miniatures, like you could get on an airline) are not available. And various other irregularities, such as having a church seminar (“Institute of Religion”) across the street from nearly every high school, so the youth can be de-corrupted after classes. And so on and so forth, which goes hand in hand with:
The Republican Party, which has nearly every state office in Utah sewn up. Because the Party wants Mittens to run for Senator (thinking he’s a shoo-in) he is running, and because he’s Mormon he will win. Unless they catch him with a live girl or dead boy in his bed, that is. It really doesn’t matter who the Dems put up to try, the Repubs want Mittens and the Church will support him, so he will win. The Mormon faithful will vote as their bishops and apostles tell them to, it’s God’s will, don’t you know. The fact Mittens has only tenuous Utah roots (he did organize the successful 2002 Olympics, that’s true) but spent most of his years in Michigan and Massachutsetts won’t matter either. Nor will his Swamp creature globalist traits, which you’d think would be a negative, be enough to turn the sheep against him. And Bain Capital is a SELLING point to most of the business-friendly Mormon types around here.
So we are being pushed to vote for an out-of-state crony capitalist globalist for Senator so that Kentucky can have another representative in Congress. So the faithful will be told, so they will vote. It’s enough to make you despair for the future, if you understand what the globalists (like Soros, the Bushes, the Kennedys) have in store for us, if they can.

MMinLamesa
MMinLamesa
  jamesthedeplorablewanderer
February 17, 2018 1:26 am

OK, that’s how people in Utah want to live. If I don’t like it, I’ll move to Idaho. What’s wrong with that?

But I gotta tell ya, to inflict a fucking Sen Romney on the rest of us is a GD capitol offense. Am I really going to have to listen to this raging, lying asshole until I’m dead?

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  Llpoh
February 17, 2018 7:50 am

+100

Bot
Bot
February 16, 2018 9:39 pm

I’ve believed this for years that secession down to the smallest possible unit is the only hope for liberty and prosperity.
It’s a waste of time and mental energy to continue to discuss, debate and dissect any part of government or its repeated failures. None of it works, and has proven itself time and again that it’s as useful as tits on a bull. It needs to be eliminated as a factor in any of our lives. It’s sole rai·son d’ê·tre is force and force is immoral.
The sooner it collapses the better off we’ll all be.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
February 16, 2018 10:27 pm

If I had lost one of my kids in that massacre and all the EFF BEE EYE could say was oops! MY Bad! So sorry. How would I feel? How would you feel? Admin had a pretty good reply.

How DARE they even think that a trite “Oh, we’re sorry” is sufficient. People got wind of this and that’s the only reason they even acknowledged the…the..mistake? Mistake isn’t even the right word for what they did. THEY ARE COMPLICIT!

I hope they hang and it’s a botched hanging where they choke for a long time before they die.

Llpoh
Llpoh
February 16, 2018 11:23 pm

Do not ascribe to malice that which can be attributed to incompetence. The latter is far more likely.

Unsurprised
Unsurprised
February 17, 2018 12:54 am

“Well, what do we do now?”

“I don’t know, what does it say in the manual?”

“Oh, yeah. It says right here, to complete the pattern, we must demolish the building.”

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200564969.html

“Do you mean like Newtown?”

“Yes. Because, the children.”

tunit472/
tunit472/
February 17, 2018 4:32 am

These killings are going to reverberate a lot longer than anything since Columbine as, after reviewing the dead, almost half are Jews. It is doubtful that Cruz delivered aimed shots at Jews rather it was just the heavily Jewish nature of the student body at this high school.

That being the case look for a determined effort, as we have already seen, to tie Nikolas De Jesus Cruz to right wing groups and exonerate the Jewish hireling Gestapo aka the FBI.

James
James
February 17, 2018 7:02 am

The fibs responsible?NO.Unless they trained the kid/encouraged him ect. they did not pull the trigger.My guess is 1000’s of dumb statements made on line that can be construed as threats daily.Seems though they were warned twice,if so they fucked up bad especially in not contacting locals and seeing a possible pattern of violence at this home.Thus,they may have contributed to circumstances allowing this insanity to happen but the one responsible is the shooter and if any his handlers.Sure,fire those who dropped the ball at all levels but they didn’t do the shooting.

Do not get me wrong,I despise the fibs thru the decades of waco/ruby/this russia thing,can make a list too long for readers but you get the idea.

That said,in the end the one to blame is the one to hold responsible who pulled trigger and any that knowingly helped him.