All tax schemes / increases should be on a referendum vote – and only taxpayers should be allowed to vote.
We now have a sham government. “Taxation without representation is tyranny” – has been co-opted by slimy politicians that operate under the false pretense that having been elected by popular vote, empowers them to rob us (in perpetuity) of our rightfully earned wages.
Zarathustra
March 8, 2018 9:17 am
Income in 1913: non-earned financial gain (dividends, capital gains, etc.)
Income in 2018: Whatever the fuck they tell you it is.
Wip
March 8, 2018 9:40 am
I think it’s safe to say it will only increase.
BB
March 8, 2018 11:54 am
And all that interest we paid through taxes to pay for our federal debt goes right into the pockets of the Central Banks the Families that own those banks . That’s 500 + billion dollars a year .Look it up.
MrLiberty
March 8, 2018 12:06 pm
The 16th Amendment reads: “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”
The title at the top of the posting is from Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 of the Constitution. In this and other sections of the same Article, Congress is allowed ONLY to impose UNIFORM excise taxes and direct taxes BASED ON CENSUS ENUMERATION (in other words, EVERYONE PAID THE SAME). It took the 16th Amendment to “legally” allow taxation of income. The tyrant Lincoln tried to impose an unconstitutional income tax during the war against the Confederacy, but it was properly struck down.
As for the 16th Amendment, there is ample evidence compiled and documented in the book “The Law that NEVER WAS” by Bill Benson. He shows in great detail that many states passed the Amendment with massive and critical alterations to the text (not allowed) and that many who were counted as voting in favor…did NOT. Despite these facts, Wilson so desperately needed the Income tax to pay for any involvement in the upcoming global conflict that was WW1 (which he was actively working to get us involved in) and to pay off the Federal Reserve’s new debt obligation money system, that he instructed his Sec. of State Filander Knox to verify the votes as having passed and to implement the Amendment. None of the states questioned the outcome and virtually every state income tax is now predicated upon the federal model. EASILY as big a crime against the citizenry as the approval of the criminal Federal Reserve.
Brian
March 8, 2018 12:58 pm
The income tax on wages and the 16th amendment income tax are wholly separate animals. Not at all related to one another legally but so often mashed together in reality.
“from whatever source derived”.
Source = property
derived = separated from
Example1: You own a house and rent it out to someone for $1k month. It costs you $500/month to maintain the house in proper order. Your 16th amendment income is $500/month. You still have the house (property) +$500 (derived income). $500 was used to maintain the property and isn’t counted as income.
Example/question 2:
You work 40 hrs/week @ $25/hr. 40 hours is your time/property. $1000 dollars is what the employer pays you for that time.
Do you still have your time or is it gone, extinguished, kaputt?
The money reaped is used to maintain your property, in this case your body. Otherwise your time will not be long on this Earth.
What I’m trying to say here is that the 16th amendment has no bearing on the theft of your wages.
The federal reserve combined with the obscure court case of Veazie Bank v. Fenno, 75 U.S. (8 Wall.) 533 (1869) is entirely responsible for it. Along with your tacit obedient consent to use that credit.
Montefrío
March 8, 2018 1:04 pm
The FRS was foisted upon the American people by a combo of foreign financial agents and their more-than-willing host-country collaborators. Same goes for the income tax. The people did nothing then and nothing has changed since then. It’s put-up-or-shut-up time, people: once again, I refer to the sagacious words of the great American prophet James Brown:
c1ue
March 9, 2018 6:00 am
Idiotic and manipulative at the same time.
What did the federal government do in 1913? Not hardly a damn thing.
Nor is the comparison made between equivalent units of value. $1 in 1913 is equivalent to around $24 in 2013 – so the top tax brackets aren’t so far apart, especially when you consider that most people didn’t touch much cash at all.
Some things that didn’t exist or barely existed in 1913:
Cars. They existed, not too many. Certainly almost no paved roads for cars or paved roads, period.
Health care. Penicillin wasn’t discovered until 1928. I wouldn’t be surprised if more was spent on vets and physicians in 1913.
Telecommunications. The telegraph had been around for a while, but it was a purely private service. Telephones were invented in the late 1800s, but almost nobody had one. Certainly not a public utility.
Utilities in general: No electricity utility. The modern waste water treatment wasn’t invented until 1912, and the very first sewage water treatment plant wasn’t built in the US until 1890.
The list goes on and on and on.
Really, why not compare modern taxes to taxes during the Neanderthal era? It would be the same informational value.
Yes, total freedom. Freedom to starve. Freedom to die of disease. Freedom to be killed by your fellow man on whim. Freedom from literacy.
Well, when you put it like that……………..
Makes you think, doesn’t it.
All tax schemes / increases should be on a referendum vote – and only taxpayers should be allowed to vote.
We now have a sham government. “Taxation without representation is tyranny” – has been co-opted by slimy politicians that operate under the false pretense that having been elected by popular vote, empowers them to rob us (in perpetuity) of our rightfully earned wages.
Income in 1913: non-earned financial gain (dividends, capital gains, etc.)
Income in 2018: Whatever the fuck they tell you it is.
I think it’s safe to say it will only increase.
And all that interest we paid through taxes to pay for our federal debt goes right into the pockets of the Central Banks the Families that own those banks . That’s 500 + billion dollars a year .Look it up.
The 16th Amendment reads: “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”
The title at the top of the posting is from Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 of the Constitution. In this and other sections of the same Article, Congress is allowed ONLY to impose UNIFORM excise taxes and direct taxes BASED ON CENSUS ENUMERATION (in other words, EVERYONE PAID THE SAME). It took the 16th Amendment to “legally” allow taxation of income. The tyrant Lincoln tried to impose an unconstitutional income tax during the war against the Confederacy, but it was properly struck down.
As for the 16th Amendment, there is ample evidence compiled and documented in the book “The Law that NEVER WAS” by Bill Benson. He shows in great detail that many states passed the Amendment with massive and critical alterations to the text (not allowed) and that many who were counted as voting in favor…did NOT. Despite these facts, Wilson so desperately needed the Income tax to pay for any involvement in the upcoming global conflict that was WW1 (which he was actively working to get us involved in) and to pay off the Federal Reserve’s new debt obligation money system, that he instructed his Sec. of State Filander Knox to verify the votes as having passed and to implement the Amendment. None of the states questioned the outcome and virtually every state income tax is now predicated upon the federal model. EASILY as big a crime against the citizenry as the approval of the criminal Federal Reserve.
The income tax on wages and the 16th amendment income tax are wholly separate animals. Not at all related to one another legally but so often mashed together in reality.
“from whatever source derived”.
Source = property
derived = separated from
Example1: You own a house and rent it out to someone for $1k month. It costs you $500/month to maintain the house in proper order. Your 16th amendment income is $500/month. You still have the house (property) +$500 (derived income). $500 was used to maintain the property and isn’t counted as income.
Example/question 2:
You work 40 hrs/week @ $25/hr. 40 hours is your time/property. $1000 dollars is what the employer pays you for that time.
Do you still have your time or is it gone, extinguished, kaputt?
The money reaped is used to maintain your property, in this case your body. Otherwise your time will not be long on this Earth.
What I’m trying to say here is that the 16th amendment has no bearing on the theft of your wages.
The federal reserve combined with the obscure court case of Veazie Bank v. Fenno, 75 U.S. (8 Wall.) 533 (1869) is entirely responsible for it. Along with your tacit obedient consent to use that credit.
The FRS was foisted upon the American people by a combo of foreign financial agents and their more-than-willing host-country collaborators. Same goes for the income tax. The people did nothing then and nothing has changed since then. It’s put-up-or-shut-up time, people: once again, I refer to the sagacious words of the great American prophet James Brown:
Idiotic and manipulative at the same time.
What did the federal government do in 1913? Not hardly a damn thing.
Nor is the comparison made between equivalent units of value. $1 in 1913 is equivalent to around $24 in 2013 – so the top tax brackets aren’t so far apart, especially when you consider that most people didn’t touch much cash at all.
Some things that didn’t exist or barely existed in 1913:
Cars. They existed, not too many. Certainly almost no paved roads for cars or paved roads, period.
Health care. Penicillin wasn’t discovered until 1928. I wouldn’t be surprised if more was spent on vets and physicians in 1913.
Telecommunications. The telegraph had been around for a while, but it was a purely private service. Telephones were invented in the late 1800s, but almost nobody had one. Certainly not a public utility.
Utilities in general: No electricity utility. The modern waste water treatment wasn’t invented until 1912, and the very first sewage water treatment plant wasn’t built in the US until 1890.
The list goes on and on and on.
Really, why not compare modern taxes to taxes during the Neanderthal era? It would be the same informational value.
Yes, total freedom. Freedom to starve. Freedom to die of disease. Freedom to be killed by your fellow man on whim. Freedom from literacy.