Why Democrats Would Lose the Second Civil War, Too

Guest Post by Kurt Schlichter

Why Democrats Would Lose the Second Civil War, Too

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It’s obvious that the central tenet of the Democrat Party platform is now hatred and contempt for Normal Americans. Taking their cue from the elites in Europe and Canada who are stripping dissenters of their free speech rights and religious freedoms, the leftist elite is moving to solidify its hold on power here with the eager assistance of tech companies and the moral support of the Fredocons who yearn to return to pseudo-relevance as the ruling class’s slobberingly loyal opposition. In California, the leftist government is practically firing on Fort Sumter. And nationally, these aspiring fascists are especially eager to disarm Normal Americans – doing so would be an object lesson in who’s the boss, as well as solving that frustrating problem of the Normals having the ability to resist.

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Probably because I’ve spent time where they actually had a civil war, many people ask me – people whose names you know – whether I think this turmoil will all end in a Second Civil War. They are seriously concerned, and not without cause – the left’s hatred for Normal Americans and its dedication to totally stripping the people who are the backbone of this country of their ability to participate in their own governance is threatening to rip the country apart.

Do I think there will be a civil war? No, but there could be. This is the Age of Black Swans, and anything is possible – we could easily see the country split into red and blue. Civil war is unlikely, but never underestimate Democrat stupidity and hatred. The Schlichter family learned that lesson a century and half ago, the last time the Democrats decided to try to impose their hatred of basic human rights on the rest of the country, when an army of Democrats burned our family hometown.

Oh, they paid for it. And they would pay again. Democrats are 0-1 in insurrections, and if they went for another round, they would be 0-2. It’s a matter of terrain, numbers, and morale.

Democrats, who think history began when Obama was elected, don’t understand the dangerous game they are playing when they talk about how they want to impose their brown shirt vision upon red America. The keyboard commandos of the left seek to hand wave away the massive strategic challenge of imposing control by force upon a well-armed, decentralized citizenry occupying the vast majority of the territory, so they babble about drones and tanks as counterinsurgency trump cards. But there are no trump cards in war. There are men, with rifles, standing on patches of dirt, killing the people trying to push them off. That’s the ugly reality of war. And multiply the usual brutality of war by ten when it’s a civil war.

There are two Civil War II scenarios, and the left is poorly positioned to prevail in either one. The first scenario is that the Democrats take power and violate the Constitution in order to use the apparatus of the federal government to suppress and oppress Normal Americans. In that scenario, red Americans are the insurgents. In the second scenario, which we can even now see the stirrings of in California’s campaign to nullify federal immigration law, it is the blue states that are the insurgents.

The Democrats lose both wars. Big time.

Let’s talk terrain and numbers. Remember the famous red v. blue voting map? There is a lot of red, and in the interior the few blue splotches are all cities like Las Vegas or Denver. That is a lot of territory for a counter-insurgent force to control, and this is critical. The red is where the food is grown, the oil pumped, and through which everything is transported. And that red space is filled with millions of American citizens with small arms, a fairly large percentage of whom have military training.

Remember what two untrained idiots did in Boston with a couple of pistols? They shut a city down. Now multiply that by several million, with better weapons and training.

Let’s look at the counter-insurgent forces in the Democrat oppression scenario should they attempt to misuse our law enforcement and military in an unconstitutional manner to take the rights of American citizens. There are a lot of civilian law enforcement officers, but the vast majority of the agencies are local – sheriffs, small town police departments. They will not be reliable allies in supporting unlawful oppression of their friends and neighbors. The major cities’ police departments are run by Democrat appointees, so the commands would be loyal. But the rank-and-file? A small percentage would be ideologically loyal. More would be loyal because that’s their paycheck – they could be swayed or intimidated to support the rebels. Others would be actively sympathetic to the insurgents. This is true of federal law enforcement agencies as well.

And the military? Well, wouldn’t the military just crush any resistance? Not so fast. The military would have the combat power to win any major engagement, but insurgents don’t get into major engagements with forces that have more combat power. They instead leverage their decentralized ability to strike at the counter-insurgents’ weak points to eliminate the government’s firepower advantage. In other words, hit and run, and no stand-up fights.

For example, how do a bunch of hunters in Wisconsin defeat a company of M1A2 Abrams tanks? They ambush the fuel and ammo trucks. Oh, and they wait until the gunner pops the hatch to take a leak and put a .30-06 round in his back from 300 meters. Then they disappear. What do the tanks do then? Go level the nearest town? Great. Now they just moved the needle in favor of the insurgents among the population. Pretty soon, they can’t be outside of their armored vehicles in public. Their forces are spending 90% of their efforts not on actual counter-insurgency operations but on force protection. Sure, they own their forward operating bases, and they own a few hundred meters around them wherever they happen to be standing at the moment, but the rest of the territory is bright red. As my recent novel illustrates, American guerillas with small arms are a deadly threat to the forces of a dictatorship.

But the military is so big it would overwhelm any rebels, right? Well, how big do you think the military is? And, more importantly, how many actual boots on the ground can it deploy? Let’s put it in terms of brigade combat teams, which total about 4,500 troops each. There are about 60 brigades in the Army, active and reserve, here and abroad, and let’s give the Marines another 10 brigades, for about 70 brigades. Sounds impressive. But that’s deceptive.

Let’s put aside a big consideration – the existence of red states that would provide for an insurgent government structure and possibly attract the loyalty of some National Guard and even federal brigades. For example, if President Hillary Clinton put down her chardonnay long enough to sign a ban on privately owned guns, it’s not unreasonable to expect the governor of Texas to reject federal authority – after all, California just taught us that this is totally cool. But in this case, look for several brigades located there to hoist the Lone Star flag.

So, now the blue states are facing unconventional and conventional forces.

Let’s ignore that problem and focus on a different challenge. Even a normal unit has about 10% non-deployable members. Now, if these troops were assigned to combat operations against other Americans, you would have significant additional losses through desertion. Many of the senior leaders would participate – the Obama generation – and there is a certain type of junior officer only too happy to curry favor by sucking up in defiance of their oath (which is to the Constitution, not to some leftist president). You can identify them because they usually have “strategist” in their Twitter bios. But a lot of key, capable officer and NCO leaders, and enlisted troops, would vanish. That is proper. It is a violation of their oath to unconstitutionally oppress fellow Americans; their duty would be to refuse such unlawful orders.

So, you have significantly understrength units going in. Now, how many of the troops in a brigade are actually even front line combat troops? About a third – the rest are support. So a brigade is really about 1500 riflemen tops before you count losses. Cut those in half for sleep, training, and refitting at any one time (which is very generous) and your brigade is really 750 troops on your best day with everyone showing up. Realistically, it’s 300.

That holds one mid-sized town. And there are hundreds of mid-sized towns. Plus there are millions of Normal Americans who would fight back. Nothing would move without their permission – a few guys shooting up big rigs along the interstate would shut down the entire trucking industry. Bottom line: there simply are not enough military forces to clear and hold red America.

What about drones and bombers? Both are useful. But the minute a bombing strike kills some red civilians the families of counter-insurgent drone operators and pilots will be knocking at the base gates to be let inside. Now you’ll need many of those brigades to protect the civilians you now need to protect from retribution.

Civil wars are harsh. That’s why you avoid them.

How about the blue insurgency scenario? That goes even worse for the Democrats. You have the federal government apparatus in the hands of red America, and the insurgents are the opposite of decentralized and armed. They are conveniently centered in gun-unfriendly blue cities. In other words, the blue civilian population is much less of a threat.

A red counter-insurgency avoids the problem of a decentralized insurgency and insecure logistical lines. In the case of California, whose secessionist antics are approaching the point where President Trump could legitimately employ his power to crush insurrections, the tactical problem is relatively simple. For example, San Francisco is a hotbed of treason, but the populace is largely unarmed and is trapped in a confined area. You put a brigade on securing the Golden Gate and Bay Bridges, then put a brigade on the San Francisco Peninsula to cut off the I-280 and US-101 corridors. Next you go to the Crystal Springs Dam and cut off the water. Then you watch and wait as the tech hipsters run out of artisanal sushi rice and kombucha.

After about a week, they surrender. After all, you can’t eat and drink smugness. LA is just bigger in scope – more corridors to cut off, but in the end the population concentrations in large liberal urban areas that are their strength also make them extremely vulnerable to logistical pressure.

Then there’s another factor, an intangible but a crucial one. It’s commitment. The Democrat threat to peace is based on its policies designed to deprive Normal Americans of their right to speak freely, to worship freely, and to defend themselves and their rights with firearms. Make no mistake – millions of Normal Americans are willing to risk death to defend those rights. In fact, many swore to do so when they entered our military and law enforcement. But who is the leftist big talker willing to die to impose the fascist dream of censorship, religious oppression, and disarmament on Normal American citizens? Is the screeching SJW at Yale going to suit up in Kevlar? Is the Vox columnist going to grab a M4? Is the Hollywood poser going to switch her gyno-beanie for a helmet?

No. Hell, we just heard our liberal opponents explaining why a cop shouldn’t be expected to go fight a scumbag murdering kids because it’s scary. America might split apart, but it’s highly unlikely Team Kale n’ Vinyl would fight should their big talk finally push Normal America too far.

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steve
steve

Kurt, I’m not sure you thought this threw. Libtard Soy Boys throwing hot Starbucks mocha lattes at me and my AR-15 would cause me to run for the hills. I mean the coffee from there is really hot.

MarshRabbit
MarshRabbit

Just ask Stella Liebeck. lol

CCRider
CCRider

When you use violence you play in the government’s wheelhouse. That’s the only real alternative they have to maintain ‘order’. The obedience they crave and require is the beating heart of the resistance. Deny them that and their scam is exposed and defeated. We don’t have to fire a shot-just stop paying attention to their dictates. Like any gang of thugs they are a tiny segment of those they wish to intimidate into submission. Demographics is destiny.

ZeroZee0
ZeroZee0

God I LOVE Kurt’s In-Your-Face prose and attitude!
Unfortunately, I’m Afeared that I’d personally feel a bit like Lieutenant-General Custer, living in the Greater Seattle Area….. Of course, I’ve got good preparations, and I’m probably far better armed than anyone else in a 20 block radius…..

Anonymous
Anonymous

No one wins the next civil war, the country ends up smaller with a few breakaway States (Texas, California, maybe another) that are dominated by foreign powers to stay “independent” of the US and the rest degenerates into a crushing dictatorial Federal State that resembles something like Iraq under Saddam where factions that hate each other are forced to live alongside each other in relative peace with any not going along with it being killed off.

More likely is that the socialist powers of the Left full regain control and the US ends up being something like Mexico -with or without cartels running it- with a small ruling class, a small middle class of professionals and skilled trades to service them, and almost everyone else stuck in the lower class with the hope of anything much more than poverty just a dream for most of them.

I don’t think it will be long before we find out, there are many other things possible as well but what we have now is on the way out.

Iconoclast421
Iconoclast421

This analysis is really just mental masturbation. The Left isnt interested in civil war. They want to destroy the country economically. Whether we win or lose a war against them is sort of beside the point. They win by default, because they will turn this country into a 3rd world shithole. Even if we fight them back and crush them, we will still be a 3rd world shithole for a decade or more. The dollar will not stand against that sort of infighting, obviously.

MarshRabbit
MarshRabbit

“gun-unfriendly blue cities”. Check the police blotters & court dockets, there is a multitude of guns in those blue cities irrespective of the laws restricting them.

Anonymous
Anonymous

A mentally defective veteran -a known one, one that was being treated for it- just shot up a veterans home in California and killed three people there in spite of all the new gun and ammunition laws in California this year.

But think of how much worse it would have been without all those gun laws in place (that didn’t do anything at all to prevent it).

Trumpeter

Yeah, but who has the guns? Somebody who will defend liberty and community, or someone who sees guns as a way to force others to give to him?
Iow, I don’t think that the 9’s sprinkled liberally, hah, throughout Chicago are going to bring peace and order when the shtf.

TS
TS

Accurate as far as it goes. BUT – we don’t live in a bubble, this aint 1861. What will the rest of the world do? How many out there want to see our destruction, or even just our marginalization, for their own reasons? The UN is just chomping at the bit to either make us one with them, or take us down a notch or ten. From crappy to zero border control, someone sees the opportunity to EMP, our extremities would be wide open – you get the point.
And how many in the red actually are self-sufficient? I mean, they have to eat, too. What’s good to disrupt supply lines would also work for the opposing team. When those trucks shut down, I would say a good 70 to 80% are in deep deep shit. One division around an oil field, or drive the city-folk into the country; how’s that going to work out? Who is prepared, city OR country, for that? Those are just a few scenarios/suggestions. I could go on all day.
There are strings being pulled far deeper than this scenario. Globalists, remember? Think global, not local.
The whole goal would be to paralyze, not actually take over and make us into something else.
Like I said; very well written and true as far as it goes, but VERY short-sighted.

Anonymous
Anonymous

If we end up in civil war the whole world is in the shitter. Nobody wants that

BB

There is a planned take down of the world economy in order to bring down Western Civilization.They will use this massive debt hanging over our heads as a weapon .They have to Destory the white Anglo-Saxon middle class in order to bring in their One World government .For all of you there is a website called ” The Overlords of Chaos ” go there and do some reading when you have time.Also just last night I watched a YouTube video called ” The New World Disorder ” by “Watchman of the Harvest ” It’s 3 hours long but it will be well worth your time.I know most of you have other things to do but if you can find time it will show you in detail what is heading our way.Some Scary Shit.

Uncola

That’s one way of looking at it. A plethora of premises in this piece. Like Trump sending Christmas cards to his enemies, too many here to address. Not to rain on Kurt’s parade, because I have affection for him like I would my respectable little brother, but a brigade on a bridge in San Francisco would be like:

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And we know how that turned out.

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Besides doubting the resolve of starving people, other dangerous assumptions in any SHTF scenario might include: 1.) underestimating the technological superiority of the power elite, 2.) trusting upon the morality of the rank and file 3.) overestimating the ability of White Hats to organize, and 4.) the chaos factor.

If I was in charge of a tank division… I don’t know… but I would have scouts running rabbit and post snipers around my pissing tank driver…. but that’s how I roll.

Take # 3 above alone. My two best friends fight over where we go to lunch. So now we’re going to set a perimeter around San Francisco? How much ammo will that take? Without established routes for provisions, how do we feed our little army over a length of time? What about communications?

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Them:

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The power elite who now technologically control the access points of the governing networks, are not conservative, Kurt. Think about what that means. Has Trump reversed that reality?

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Not yet.

Again, not to be overly negative, but to embark on any initiative based on faulty premises is a sure path to failure. Organizing now is needed. Is it happening? Maybe. Maybe not. This is why my plans are small. For now. At this time, I see no other alternative.

But if the Black Hats are arrested in October and we have a military parade in November, then we can celebrate the victory and dance in the streets. Sadly, however, I am not one to set aside the possibility of strategic deception before I believe in sure things.

Future proves past.

I hope the Qptimists are right, but my plans don’t care because fluidity and resilience are my real best friends.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic

Not to mention the mercenaries like Erik Prince and his gang or even ISIS being brought to bear by the .gov in a civil war.

Mark
Mark

I read both of his books and thoroughly enjoyed them. Both were action packed wild rides lots of tongue in cheek humor!

Just some whiteboard speculations:

Without a doubt to me American Civil War 2 is a real possibility….and could be one of the plausible reasons why we play almost no role in End Times prophecy centered in the Middle East and around Israel.

Our superpower status is self destructed as we tear the country apart and one another and by default the International Globalists reach their goal of removing U.S. as a blocking force to their aims.

Other prophetic events during the tearing apart (no matter who is winning or how the see saw is going) in “possible” chronological order coming soon to a world near you “could” be:

1. The Jeremiah 49:34-39 prophecy
– The total destruction of some of Iran (Elam) and its nuclear capability

2. The Psalm 83 Middle East War
– The IDF making the 67 victory look like small potatoes and the destruction of Arab power
of all the countries boarding Israel

3. The Rapture
– What ever weight/power the Red U.S. has left is completely hollowed out during the great snatch

4. The Ezekiel 38 and 39 Middle East war
– Russia, Turkey and the outer ring of Arab countries and whats left of Persia (Iran) are humbled and
annihilated by God

5. The Start of the Tribulation and the rise of the Anti Christ

About a 3.5 year gap in-between the Rapture and the start of the Tribulation.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Scripture supporting the rapture and its timing during the tribulation?

Mark
Mark

Anonymous
March 12, 2018 at 1:42 pm

The Rapture could happen well before any of these prophetic events that I “white boarded.”

The speculation among Believers on the timing seems to run 75% Pre-Trib with Mid-Trib & Pre Wrath dividing up most of the 25% left, Post Trib in last place….just guessing at the percents.

Somebody is going to be right!

I’m just redeeming the time and keeping short accounts. Believers…a small narrow gate number could be caught up anytime. I guess you could call them: The few…the humble…the Believers.

Not dogmatic on the timing of the Rapture just the fast approaching “season”.

Just think the real possibility of an American Civil War 2 could be woven into the fabric of the End Time events.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic

I’m a Christian but I don’t believe in tribulation or Revelation meaning the world ends. So count me out.

sam
sam

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Mas

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Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Look up Selco who survived a year in hell or the guy from Argentinas book on their recent collapse. Those were populations very similar to ours and show what happens to even good people under stress.
Waiting around for the Hoover vacuum hose from heaven to suck me out in time to avoid serious hardship is hope porn at its best. Millions of middle eastern Christians are wondering when the tribulation will be over.
Have a plan. At least then you will have something to change as it plays out. Without a plan you can’t even retreat, just panic and run into who knows what. My plan was to quietly put together an informal underground railroad and get the younger people who are born with tech savvy to form a “Cell Phone Militia”. The first is done the second one they ignored me but then did it anyway without me, much to my embarrassment.

BUCKHED
BUCKHED

Marsh…Stella is the poster child for fake news.

Civil War….No. We don’t want what the Feds hold .

A war for Independence of the Red States….Perhaps

Card802
Card802

If dems win mid term and then 2020, look for some serious shit to start then.

My feeling is any civil disobedience will not be anything as crazy as all out shooting war but new laws created by the democracy forcing mob rule on those that believe in a Republic.
Suddenly millions of law abiding deplorable citizens will be turned into deplorable criminals with the stroke of a blue pen.
Media will hammer home the propaganda, neighbors will turn in neighbors, coworkers will turn in coworkers, relatives, I have relatives that will turn me in.

Mark
Mark

I had a vivid dream in 2016 I was shot in the head falling back to the treeline behind my second gate.

The year was 2020. Man, stayed with me.

I’m clearing land soon…going to put yet another little invisible log “position” just behind that gate, right at that tree line.

Bob
Bob

Observations:
1) Expect a large percentage of our volunteer military to choose family over command structure, if it comes down to a fight.
2) Debts may remain on the books and not be forgiven, but can be repudiated and disposed of. The real bloodbath may start with a rebellion and purge of debt holders — this would make for some strange alliances and outcomes…more of a revolution than a civil war.
3) The Red state theory holds water, possession being an important factor
4) The pieces of the country likely to be intact will not be particularly susceptible to foreign influence or domination – Pacific Coast, Texarkana, Old South, Middle America, Northeast — all of these would be relatively powerful countries on their own.

Mark
Mark

OATH KEEPERS:
ORDERS WE WILL NOT OBEY

1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.


2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people
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3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.


4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.


5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.


6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.


8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control.”


9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.


10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

https://www.oathkeepers.org/hear-watchmen-dallas-iron-sharpens-iron-march-22-25-2018/

Rdawg
Rdawg

Uh-huh.

Grub first, then ethics.

Overthecliff

Civil War II will start impercetably and slowly at first then it will happen all at once. The average murkan boob will be dragged away from bread and circuses by marauders from both sides. Boobus Americanus will be forced to pick a side.

I wonder what our brainwashed grandchildren will do. Make a long list of enemies and roll with the punches.

Trumpeter

Either way it goes is annihilation for the big cities. Just a few riflemen killing cars and trucks on the roads to the cities cuts them off! Three days to chaos, five days to cannabalism. Within two weeks 60 to 140 million dead. Mostly Democrat. I say mostly, because I live inside the edge of a large city. May God preserve our Republic and our freedoms.

Westcoastdeplorable
Westcoastdeplorable

This is why they took the TV series “Jericho” off the air.

BUCKHED
BUCKHED

Oath Keepers…..we will not…what…you’ve got my family….fuck it get in the truck we’re taking you to a FEMA camp ….you can give me that weapon too .

Mark
Mark

https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/if-martial-law-is-declared-would-you-disarm-american-citizens-does-it-conflict-with-our-oath

Come on Buckhead the military is full of Oath Keepers…past and present especially the Marine Corps!

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