Without Help From Uncle

Guest Post by Eric Peters

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Why don’t cars that make sense make it?

Five years ago, Paul Elio bought up a shuttered GM assembly plant In Shreveport, Louisiana with the intention of using it as home base for the manufacture of a low-cost/high-economy car – the kind of car no other car company makes anymore. Instead of $12k and maybe 40 MPG on the highway – the best you can get in a new car sold by any other manufacturer – the Elio would average at least 80 MPG and sell for less than $8,000.

Such a car makes all kinds of sense.

At a stroke, it would cut the cost of getting around by car in half – minimally. Keep in mind that the least-expensive new car being manufactured right now, the one referenced above, is the Nissan Versa. Most new cars cost significantly more. The average price paid for a new car is currently well over $30,000 – and the average new car averages a great deal less than 40 MPG, on the highway or otherwise.

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It would also render many “alternative” fuel cars irrelevant; make them look even sillier as economic and functional and even environmental propositions than they already do. The Elio’s “carbon footprint,” for instance, is so small it’s hardly there.

Which is why the Elio faces every kind of obstacle imaginable to prevent its manufacture.

Unlike the manufacturers of those other cars, which make no sense at all – including environmentally-speaking – and so are given every artificial advantage (via government) imaginable.

Electric cars.

It is doubtful anyone would by them at a price which reflected their true cost to manufacture, absent all the manufacturing subsidies, including sweetheart deals/financing on their manufacturing facilities – such as the $1.3 billion the taxpayers of Nevada were compelled to provide the billionaire crony capitalist Elon Musk to finance the battery plant for his electric luxury-sports cars. As well as the retail ones, including not only the tax breaks dangled in front of buyers of the cars but also on the “fuel” they use – the electricity – which isn’t subject to any motor fuels taxation (for the moment) and often literally given away for free (well, at taxpayer expense) at so-called public charging stations, to further nudge the electric car into general use.

Elio enjoys no such help.

Not that such help ought to be provided  – to Elio or Tesla or any other manufacturer. But neither should they be hindered by Uncle.

Elio has been. Because of what it is – and isn’t.

The prototype is something in between a motorcycle and a car. The driver and passenger sit one behind the other, as on a bike. But it’s not a single-track vehicle (front and rear wheel in line and just the two of them) like a bike. It has two wheels up front, pontoon-style and a third single wheel out back. So it drives like a car. You turn the steering wheel. The car does not lean in the curves, as a bike does. The occupants also sit inside a fully enclosed and air-conditioned cabin, a major point of difference vs. a bike.

But if it’s a car, then Uncle insists it conform to all the regulatory fatwas which apply to that category of vehicle – including offset barrier impact and roof crush fatwas, which are very hard fatwas for a vehicle with a pontoon-style front end and ultra-light construction (the Elio weighs a mere 1,200 lbs., just slightly more than a full-dress Harley or Honda Goldwing and about half as much as the very lightest new cars) to conform to.

They are also hard for a shoestring operation without an IV line to the taxpayers’ purse (and fatwas mandating that people buy their product, or at least, that a fixed number be manufactured and offered for sale each year) to comply with on a more basic level. A shoestring operation can’t afford to destroy – in crash tests – a dozen prototype cars to see how they perform (or not) and then revise accordingly – and crash test again.

This is what’s called regulatory capture.

The crony capitalist Bigs favor it because they can afford to throw away a dozen vehicles in crash tests – and they know a shoestring operation like Elio cannot afford it. But the small operations still must comply with the fatwas, else their car isn’t legal to sell. It’s a beautiful Catch-22, from the standpoint of the Bigs. They – and their enforcement arm, the government – aren’t outlawing competition, per se. They simply make it impossible to compete, via regs that can’t be complied with for economic reasons.

There’s another problem for Elio.

If it’s classified as motorcycle rather than a car – which would exempt it from many of the fatwas which apply to cars – then the fatwas which apply to motorcycles apply.

Including the one decreeing that a helmet must be worn when “riding.” This is a state-level fatwa – and not all states have the fatwa – but most do. If it is applicable to the Elio – as it is applicable to another “car” that makes sense, the Polaris Slingshot – it means buyers would have to wear helmets to drive it, else risk tickets. Most people shopping for a car – whether four wheeled or three – do not want to have to wear a helmet while driving. So Elio faces the necessity of qualifying as a car – which means having to comply with the fatwas which all cars must comply with.

Meanwhile, electric cars get away with having Burn Notice lithium-ion battery packs that contain reactive chemicals which not only burn when they come into contact (as when the battery pack is damaged in an accident) but also burn in a different and more dangerous way than gasoline does. But electric-specific saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafety fatwas have not descended. The electric car is effectively given exemptions from having to be “safe,” because the government (and the crony capitalists making bank on the scam) want electric cars on the road and seem willing to overlook almost anything when it comes to them.

Which explains why electric cars are being manufactured – and the Elio is not.

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starfcker
starfcker
May 15, 2018 6:32 am

I would say that’s a bad analogy. I would say the reason Musk is able to build cars is because he’s smart enough to figure out how to get it done. I would say the reason Elio is not able to build cars is he’s not smart enough to get it done. Polaris is getting it done. An idea isn’t worth diddly squat. The skill set to turn an idea into something functional is what has value. And it separates the doers from the dreamers

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
  starfcker
May 15, 2018 7:26 am

“…the reason Musk is able to build cars is because he’s smart enough to figure out how to get it done.”

If by ‘get it done’ you are referring to gaming the system and not new ideas.

Elio needs to have his ‘product’ placed in a new category in between a car and a motorcycle.

starfcker
starfcker

Good luck with that

Wip
Wip
  starfcker
May 15, 2018 8:40 am

And you think that’s a good thing somehow?

starfcker
starfcker

kokoda, every manufacturer has the same set of government incentives in front of them as Tesla does. And they also supposedly have much more car building know how behind them and all the related infrastructure. And they certainly aren’t getting it done. Can you explain that?

Mousanony
Mousanony
  starfcker
May 15, 2018 10:51 am

You are not often troubled by deep thoughts, are you?

Stucky
Stucky
  starfcker
May 15, 2018 12:09 pm

21 thumbs down …. and I didn’t even have to dopplegang you.

You’re on a roll, baby!

starfcker
starfcker
  Stucky
May 15, 2018 3:08 pm

Guys, I am nothing if not a reasonable man. See these nuts? Enjoy

Jake
Jake
  starfcker
May 15, 2018 10:41 pm

I thought you made perfect sense. Perhaps you could rewrite it and include a couple of lines blasting Jews?

Lilly of course
Lilly of course
  starfcker
May 15, 2018 1:54 pm

Elio got 32 States to change their laws about helmets & motorcycle endorsements for the Cab-enclosed motorcycle or Autocycle. Elio did not buy the plant in Shreveport.
“A shoestring operation can’t afford to destroy – in crash tests” . Just another example for NO RESEARCH ON YOUR PART. Test vehicles will be built first and eventually after many tests will be destroyed in crash test. If you look it up you might have reported a bit better.
Your headline is even misleading. It’s not that Elio didn’t try to get a ATVM loan like Tesla got. It didn’t qualify.
Have you ever hear of an ElioCoin? LOL, didn’t think so.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
May 15, 2018 7:58 am

What was once good for corporations was actually good for the country because they employed so many people that in turn created a tax base . That tax base built schools roads and communities that thrived . Such is not the case anymore .
Tax incentives are now a set up scam for the crony capitalists and the political whores they support . When a company gets a taxpayer subsidized break the people , employees now get welfare support due to the low hours and salaries yet the 1% connected are profiting like a bootlegger on steroids .
We know how this happened and we see the damage inflicted nationally . The recent blame China nonsense is a good example . A whore only gets fucked because she or he now lays it out there to be taken advantage of . Such is the American Free market economy today . Elon Musk and many others are just the fuckers and thanks to the whores in government the American working people are pimped out as the fuckee’s
Our nations is in an economic bad way and it is only going to get worse . One must be cautious what will start a violent outbreak that is uncontainable is yet to be known .
However all the ingredients are there for an explosion of epic proportions !

starfcker
starfcker
  Boat Guy
May 15, 2018 8:24 am

What a crock of shit. Provide any evidence that employment at any of Musk’s companies includes people paid so low that they are on welfare.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
  starfcker
May 15, 2018 6:13 pm

Star 20 bucks an hour with continuous work stoppage and shutdowns is not so hot in Northern California . How ever Wal Mart and many others are the major retail employees and some smaller Airlines inform employees not to apply for EBT cards in uniform . As for Musk the entire operation is a welfare scam of epic proportions right up there with section 8 vouchers

Anonymous
Anonymous
May 15, 2018 7:59 am

The “Elio” isn’t an automobile it’s an autocycle, a three wheeled motorcycle with the two wheel axle in the front instead of the rear.

It isn’t a practical vehicle the way, say, the tiny little Smart car is which can fulfill all the necessary functions of a standard automobile.

Wip
Wip
  Anonymous
May 15, 2018 8:42 am

And?

kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
kokoda the Deplorable Raccoon and I-LUV-CO2
  Anonymous
May 15, 2018 10:10 am

It is a practical mode of travel as a product between a car and a motorcycle. As you say, an ‘Autocycle’.

If motorcycles are allowed to travel on roadway/highways without any safety features other than a helmet and cars have become safety tanks, why shouldn’t an Autocycle be allowed.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I’m not the originator of that word or its use here: “Elio Motors is an autocycle design company founded by Paul Elio in 2009.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elio_Motors

Also: http://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/transportation-review-autocycles.aspx, https://www.wral.com/-autocycle-bill-whizzes-through-house/14542066/, and much more.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Anonymous
May 15, 2018 10:38 am

Who defines “practical?” YOU???? If you need a cheap commuter car that gets you from point A to point B, that my be ALL that you are looking for. Why should anyone be prevented from purchasing such a vehicle? In a truly free and competitive market, there will indeed be cars that fill a niche. In Japan, you see hundreds of different models of cars, all that meet a specific need (including some that have the passenger seated behind the driver, and super small business vans that are still big enough to carry a fully sheet of plywood or drywall standing on edge between the two occupants. It is their business model. They don’t need to replace GM, just meet the need of those who want to buy their cars.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  MrLiberty
May 15, 2018 2:38 pm

So go get one and use it exclusively for a month or two then come back and give us your definition of it.

My guess is that Practical will go out the window the first time you do your grocery shopping for the week, or take an overnight trip somewhere that needs any significant amount of luggage.

A. R. Wasem
A. R. Wasem
  Anonymous
May 15, 2018 12:32 pm

And just who are you to decide what’s “practical” and what isn’t. That’s what we have “free markets” for. The fact that you or I personally would or would not buy an Elio is totally irrelevant.

BL
BL
May 15, 2018 8:51 am

The oil companies don’t want cars getting 84MPG on the road in this country, period. Europe has vehicles that get awesome gas mileage but we are supposed to keep bending over and handing them our cash.
THAT is why we won’t get Elio built vehicles any time soon.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  BL
May 15, 2018 9:10 am

That’s more the fault of our stricter emissions requirements than anything done by the “oil companies”.

Maybe you should consider blaming the EPA instead of oil companies.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Anonymous
May 15, 2018 10:39 am

And you don’t think there is direct collusion between all of these players to line the pockets of everyone?

BL
BL
  Anonymous
May 15, 2018 10:55 am

And that is complete bullshit Anon, put up your proof that the Elio is a polluter. There should be more of this type of vehicle, yet have you seen any motorcycle/car hybrids out on the highways?
How is it 80+MPG and clean emissions is not on the road here and yet you can’t count the number of gas guzzlers that pass you daily?

Sorry son, you got that wrong.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  BL
May 15, 2018 2:44 pm

Put up your proof that I claimed Elio is a polluter first.

mark branham
mark branham
May 15, 2018 8:53 am

Absolutely no self-respecting oligarch wants affordable cars… or homes or anything else. The ONLY way a debt-money monetary system can hope to survive(and provide a VERY comfortable life for said rent holders) is if con(D)-sumers continue to go into debt…

The only way life will ever get better is to abandon all such monetary systems.

TC
TC
  mark branham
May 15, 2018 9:08 am

That’s right. You can’t have debt slaves if there’s no debt.

BL
BL
  mark branham
May 15, 2018 11:03 am

Well said Mark. And soooo true.

Oilman2
Oilman2
May 15, 2018 9:26 am

If you have a shit job and no money, then you need a cheap, reliable car. This describes MANY Americans. My 25 yr old son would love to own this just to make his daily 50-mile commute to work – this is what commuters need, not a Mazda with giant stereo and digital butt massager. When gas goes up in price, everybody looks for mileage – it sells and people will put up with less than luxurious if they can save money – because money is what they are hurting for.

This car fits those needs – nobody sells a car for less than $10k – hell, a side-by-side four wheeler is more than many cars cost, starting at about $15k.

Lobbyists are the reason this car hasn’t done well. Follow the money – in this case, who is lobbying against this car? Because there is no logical reason for those needing this type of transportation to have it denied them.

Truth is that lobbyists and regulators and financial companies want us in debt – it’s their business to keep us paying them. Oil companies don’t care – world demand is and has been more than enough to sustain them due to declining reserves (people forget that everything plastic is derived from oil, and even roadways are built with oil).

The Smart car is funded by EU grants – EU folks have always funded the Smart car – it’s not any more impractical than the car we are talking about. It’s a 2-seater with minimal trunk space, just like this, that gets less gas mileage.

The only reason this car isn’t successful is lobbying in DC – the primary reason most bad ideas get government support.

Anonymous
Anonymous
May 15, 2018 10:34 am

there are no cheap cars anymore. it is the govt. agenda.
they do not want us (their debt slaves) to be as mobile as the previous generation.
a mobile population is hard to tax, hard to control, and hard to pacify if and when the next round of regulations/austerity measures will be implemented.

That is why they are moving to electric cars, without the charging infrastructure, these are nothing but local go karts.

That is why they are moving towards automatic navigation and a connected network of vehicles, very easy to control any sort of independent migrations or mass protests in front of state capitals.

look beyond the economic reasons put forth to validate the changes, and you will begin to see the plans, they always work on a master plan.

BL
BL
May 15, 2018 11:15 am

Anon above and Star should watch this video:

RiNS
RiNS
May 15, 2018 11:50 am

Yep Elon Musk is fucken’ brilliant. He just made a Ford Pinto that ain’t safe at any voltage. Puts an explosive battery directly cabin where passengers sits. Pity the foolz who are in that car when the cells are breached!

But progress has a price and these days it is a few roadside BBQ’s. When they catch fire the bystanders can only hope to save the rims…

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BL
BL
  RiNS
May 15, 2018 3:17 pm

RiNS- Star states Elon Musk knows how to “get things done”……..WELL DONE, maybe even extra crispy. Too bad it is the Tesla buyers who are WELL DONE/CRISPY CRITTERS.

Wip
Wip
  RiNS
May 15, 2018 11:15 pm

You should have used the corvair as the example instead of the pinto.

Martin brundlefly
Martin brundlefly
May 15, 2018 11:50 am

Fwiw, the polaris slingshot is one bad ass motherfucker. Exhilarating to be sure. They shine in the twisties oh boy. Cost a shade more than that little elio. Nothing wrong with wearing a helmet, for those of you who have never wrecked anything. I destroyed a shoei in 1990. Best 400 bucks i ever spent.

Wip
Wip
  Martin brundlefly
May 15, 2018 12:03 pm

What are you talking about, they’re almost 30 Gs.

Cricket
Cricket
  Wip
May 15, 2018 1:01 pm

I believe he was referring to a Shoei helmet, not the Polaris.

Stucky
Stucky
  Martin brundlefly
May 15, 2018 12:23 pm

Base price … $20,000. With options and delivery —- $30,000. Yikes!!

“It’s powered by a regular old 2.4-liter GM EcoTec four-cylinder mated to a GM five-speed manual transmission.”

Meh.

http://autoweek.com/article/drive-reviews/2018-polaris-slingshot-slr-ride-drive-review-three-wheels-freedom

Aquapura
Aquapura
May 15, 2018 2:26 pm

Fact checking Mr. Peters again. IF $12k is the “cheap” car today. Going to our trusty CPI Inflation Calculator it says that was $5,601.99 in 1988 – 30 years ago.

Now the average annual wage is 1988 was only $19,334.04 vs. $48,642.15 in 2016 (last year listed).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_Indexed_Monthly_Earnings

I’m no mathematician but in 1988 that shit box was 29% of income vs. 25% a couple years ago. All things being equal the car is cheaper now even with the “fatwa”. Then add in the fact that cars today are much safer in every aspect than 30 years ago and much more reliable. Fuel economy hasn’t moved remarkably but I find it disingenuous for Mr. Peters to talk about that when most of his articles are howling about wanting land barges that consume fossil fuels at pre-oil embargo levels. Cars today are sippers considering the extra weight to keep-you-from-dying when someone texting t-bones you at an intersection. Yes – I WANT SAFETY FROM OTHER PEOPLE ON THE ROAD – NOT ME.

The entire article is flawed because the three wheeler vehicles have been tried throughout history and they have never been ready for mass market. Sure, it may be cheap and get wicked good gas mileage but the coolness of driving a land vehicle with a fighter jet cockpit wears off the minute you want to get a BJ while driving, or whatever the kids (who need cheap vehicles) do these days.

Besides, cheap wheels have always been available by the used car dealer. You can find a $6k vehicle that will give you years of reliable use if you look hard enough and don’t care about the latest bells and whistles. Shit – with the fire sale sedans are having in our SUV/CUV society you can get a good ride for almost nothing – relatively speaking – and it’ll have airbags and side impact bracing. You’re welcome.

TampaRed
TampaRed
May 15, 2018 10:26 pm

definitely do not consume sugary drinks or fried foods –for now the govt recommends you follow the food pyramid,next year it’ll be mandatory–
gotta keep you idiots safe–
rins,unsafe at any voltage is a classic–if it’s original you ought to copyright it–

Wip
Wip
  TampaRed
May 15, 2018 11:04 pm

He should have used the corvair as the example instead of the pinto.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Wip
May 16, 2018 10:28 am

wip,
i believe you’re a bit older then me(actually pops,i think you’re a helluva lot older) so you would know better then me but wasn’t the corvair in reality a pretty safe car?

RHS Jr
RHS Jr
May 15, 2018 10:41 pm

That car can be built profitably in a hundred other countries and sold in all but one. Go for it.

Wip
Wip
  TampaRed
May 15, 2018 11:14 pm

Bwahaha

Hey Star, tell us all about the great Elon.