NYT HIT PIECE ON JORDAN PETERSON

Via The NYT

Jordan Peterson, Custodian of the Patriarchy

He says there’s a crisis in masculinity. Why won’t women — all these wives and witches — just behave?

TORONTO — Jordan Peterson fills huge lecture halls and tells his audiences there’s no shame in looking backward to a model of how the world should be arranged. Look back to the 1950s, he says — and back even further. He tells his audiences that they are smart. He is bringing them knowledge, yes, but it is knowledge that they already know and feel in their bones. He casts this as ancient wisdom, delivered through religious allegories and fairy tales which contain truth, he says, that modern society has forgotten.

Most of his ideas stem from a gnawing anxiety around gender. “The masculine spirit is under assault,” he told me. “It’s obvious.”

In Mr. Peterson’s world, order is masculine. Chaos is feminine. And if an overdose of femininity is our new poison, Mr. Peterson knows the cure. Hence his new book’s subtitle: “An Antidote to Chaos.”

“We have to rediscover the eternal values and then live them out,” he says.

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Mr. Peterson, 55, a University of Toronto psychology professor turned YouTube philosopher turned mystical father figure, has emerged as an influential thought leader. The messages he delivers range from hoary self-help empowerment talk (clean your room, stand up straight) to the more retrograde and political (a society run as a patriarchy makes sense and stems mostly from men’s competence; the notion of white privilege is a farce). He is the stately looking, pedigreed voice for a group of culture warriors who are working diligently to undermine mainstream and liberal efforts to promote equality.

He is also very successful. His book, “12 Rules for Life,” which was published in January, has sold more than 1.1 million copies. Thanks to his YouTube channel, he makes more than $80,000 a month just on donations. Hundreds of thousands of people have taken his online personality tests and self-improvement writing exercises. The media covers him relentlessly.

Security at Mr. Peterson’s “12 Rules For Life” tour event. CreditMark Sommerfeld for The New York Times

 

For two days in May, Mr. Peterson gives me a view of his life. He shows me his home, lets me listen in on business calls and a Skype session with a fan, and follow him backstage during a speaking engagement at the Queen Elizabeth Theater. He does not smile. He has a weathered, gaunt face and big furrowed eyebrows. He has written about dogs being closest in behavior to humans, but there is something extremely feline about him. He always wears a suit. “I am a very serious person,” he often says.

Wherever he goes, he speaks in sermons about the inevitability of who we must be. “You know you can say, ‘Well isn’t it unfortunate that chaos is represented by the feminine’ — well, it might be unfortunate, but it doesn’t matter because that is how it’s represented. It’s been represented like that forever. And there are reasons for it. You can’t change it. It’s not possible. This is underneath everything. If you change those basic categories, people wouldn’t be human anymore. They’d be something else. They’d be transhuman or something. We wouldn’t be able to talk to these new creatures.”

Why Men Murder

Mr. Peterson’s home is a carefully curated house of horror. He has filled it with a sprawl of art that covers the walls from floor to ceiling. Most of it is communist propaganda from the Soviet Union (execution scenes, soldiers looking noble) — a constant reminder, he says, of atrocities and oppression. He wants to feel their imprisonment, though he lives here on a quiet residential street in Toronto and is quite free.

“Marxism is resurgent,” Mr. Peterson says, looking ashen and stricken.

I say it seems unnecessarily stressful to live like this. He tells me life is stressful.

He tucks his legs under him as he talks, curled in a dark leather seat. He has been padding around softly in socks. He looks down while he talks and makes fleeting, suspicious eye contact.

He quit his private practice last year and is on an early sabbatical from the University of Toronto. He dragged the school into controversy in 2016 by opposing a Canadian bill that he believed would compel him to use a student’s preferred pronouns.

“I am not going to be a mouthpiece for language that I detest, and that’s that,” he said during a debate at the University of Toronto.

Mr. Peterson, who grew up in Fairview, Canada, a small town in northern Alberta, spent his career teaching psychology at Harvard and then at the University of Toronto, all while running a clinical practice.

The lesson most patients need to hear, he says, is “grow the hell up, accept some responsibility, live an honorable life.”

“We just haven’t talked about that in any compelling way in three generations,” he says. “Probably since the beginning of the ’60s.”

Why did he decide to engage in politics at all? He says a couple years ago he had three clients in his private practice “pushed out of a state of mental health by left-wing bullies in their workplace.” I ask for an example, and he sighs.

He says one patient had to be part of a long email chain over whether the term “flip chart” could be used in the workplace, since the word “flip” is a pejorative for Filipino.

“She had a radical-left boss who was really concerned with equality and equality of outcome and all these things and diversity and inclusivity and all these buzzwords and she was subjected to — she sent me the email chain, 30 emails about whether or not the word flip chart was acceptable,” Mr. Peterson says.

CreditMark Sommerfeld for The New York Times

 

So he was radicalized, he says, because the “radical left” wants to eliminate hierarchies, which he says are the natural order of the world. In his book he illustrates this idea with the social behavior of lobsters. He chose lobsters because they have hierarchies and are a very ancient species, and are also invertebrates with serotonin. This lobster hierarchy has become a rallying cry for his fans; they put images of the crustacean on T-shirts and mugs.

The left, he believes, refuses to admit that men might be in charge because they are better at it. “The people who hold that our culture is an oppressive patriarchy, they don’t want to admit that the current hierarchy might be predicated on competence,” he said.

Mr. Peterson illustrates his arguments with copious references to ancient myths — bringing up stories of witches, biblical allegories and ancient traditions. I ask why these old stories should guide us today.

“It makes sense that a witch lives in a swamp. Yeah,” he says. “Why?”

It’s a hard one.

“Right. That’s right. You don’t know. It’s because those things hang together at a very deep level. Right. Yeah. And it makes sense that an old king lives in a desiccated tower.”

But witches don’t exist, and they don’t live in swamps, I say.

“Yeah, they do. They do exist. They just don’t exist the way you think they exist. They certainly exist. You may say well dragons don’t exist. It’s, like, yes they do — the category predator and the category dragon are the same category. It absolutely exists. It’s a superordinate category. It exists absolutely more than anything else. In fact, it really exists. What exists is not obvious. You say, ‘Well, there’s no such thing as witches.’ Yeah, I know what you mean, but that isn’t what you think when you go see a movie about them. You can’t help but fall into these categories. There’s no escape from them.”

Recently, a young man named Alek Minassian drove through Toronto trying to kill people with his van. Ten were killed, and he has been charged with first-degree murder for their deaths, and with attempted murder for 16 people who were injured. Mr. Minassian declared himself to be part of a misogynist group whose members call themselves incels. The term is short for “involuntary celibates,” though the group has evolved into a male supremacist movement made up of people — some celibate, some not — who believe that women should be treated as sexual objects with few rights. Some believe in forced “sexual redistribution,” in which a governing body would intervene in women’s lives to force them into sexual relationships.

Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners, Mr. Peterson says, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married.

“He was angry at God because women were rejecting him,” Mr. Peterson says of the Toronto killer. “The cure for that is enforced monogamy. That’s actually why monogamy emerges.”

Mr. Peterson does not pause when he says this. Enforced monogamy is, to him, simply a rational solution. Otherwise women will all only go for the most high-status men, he explains, and that couldn’t make either gender happy in the end.

“Half the men fail,” he says, meaning that they don’t procreate. “And no one cares about the men who fail.”

I laugh, because it is absurd.

“You’re laughing about them,” he says, giving me a disappointed look. “That’s because you’re female.”

But aside from interventions that would redistribute sex, Mr. Peterson is staunchly against what he calls “equality of outcomes,” or efforts to equalize society. He usually calls them pathological or evil.

He agrees that this is inconsistent. But preventing hordes of single men from violence, he believes, is necessary for the stability of society. Enforced monogamy helps neutralize that.

In situations where there is too much mate choice, “a small percentage of the guys have hyper-access to women, and so they don’t form relationships with women,” he said. “And the women hate that.”

Helping Men Out, One at a Time

Mr. Peterson, John O’Connell and Dave Rubin backstage at the Queen Elizabeth Theatre in Toronto.CreditMark Sommerfeld for The New York Times

 

Mr. Peterson is a celebrity in the men’s rights community, a loose collection of activists who feel men have been subjugated or betrayed by social progress. Some of these supporters pay $200 a month for a 45-minute Skype conversation with Mr. Peterson to discuss their problems. (Mr. Peterson says this service has since been discontinued.)

Before he leads me to his office to sit in on one of these appointments, Mr. Peterson shows me around the third floor of his home, which is filled with carvings made by Charles Joseph, a Kwakwaka’wakw artist.

Over his bed is a painting celebrating electrification in the Soviet Union. On the wall across from it is a hyper-realistic painting of two nude women with swords. His bedspread is familiar: It’s the same image as his Twitter avatar, a dark geometric design based on a piece of art he made out of foam core in 1985 that he called “The Meaning of Music.” He says it’s “an attempt to portray in image what music means.” He has had it made into a rug as well.

Mr. Peterson’s office has objects scattered and strewn throughout: There is a hat from a gulag, some steampunk masks he thought were cool, stacks of papers and cords, and a Kermit puppet his sister sent him because his fans joke that his voice, high and hoarse, sounds like the Muppet. Mr. Peterson stresses the importance of cleanliness, but honestly his office is a mess.

For the Skype call, he wears a sharp blazer and button-down, but he sits shoeless and cross-legged. He knows where the frame cuts off.

The caller, Trevor Alexander Nestor, is a young white man: bearded, unemployed, at a friend’s house. He later posted the audio on his own Patreon.

“I’m really hoping that somebody is going to recognize my talent,” Mr. Nestor says.

Mr. Nestor says he recently wrote a paper on how testosterone levels and sperm count are dropping. He argues sociocultural transformations are probably making men less virile, and Mr. Peterson nods along.

At one point in the discussion, Mr. Peterson, who had been relatively quiet, becomes heated on the topic of women who find marriage oppressive.

“So I don’t know who these people think marriages are oppressing,” he says. “I read Betty Friedan’s book because I was very curious about it, and it’s so whiny, it’s just enough to drive a modern person mad to listen to these suburban housewives from the late ’50s ensconced in their comfortable secure lives complaining about the fact that they’re bored because they don’t have enough opportunity. It’s like, Jesus get a hobby. For Christ’s sake, you — you — ”

Mr. Nestor says he was an engineering student at the University of California, Berkeley, but decided to transfer after feeling overcome by the liberal dogma when he took theater classes for his humanities requirement.

“They were teaching in classrooms things like Martin Luther King Jr. would have supported violent rebellion, and marriage is an institution that is designed to control the sexuality of women,” he says.

Mr. Peterson has a verbal tic where he makes a sound like m-hmm, a guttural forceful noise to signify agreement barked in two distinct beats; his mouth stays closed.

“I’ve talked to a few young women, and they have told me they do wish that they could be housewives,” Mr. Nestor says. “But what they’ve said to me is that they feel as though if they were to pursue that, other people would look down on them.”

“I’ve had lots of women tell me that,” Mr. Peterson says. “Women will never admit that publicly.” Women are likely to prioritize their children over their work, he says, especially “conscientious and agreeable women.”

When Mr. Peterson talks about good women — the sort a man would want to marry — he often uses these words: conscientious and agreeable.

Mr. Nestor feels anxious, and Mr. Peterson says he should. “My primary focus has been to not be homeless,” Mr. Nestor says.

“You don’t have a future and you don’t have a job and no bloody wonder you’re anxious,” Mr. Peterson says. “That just means you’re sane.”

Male Performance

Lined up for the book tour.CreditMark Sommerfeld for The New York Times

 

Jacob Logan, 18, from Alliston, Ontario, was first in line for Mr. Peterson’s talk on Thursday, May 3 at the Queen Elizabeth Theater. He had arrived 12 hours early, wearing a shirt with lobsters stacked upon each other. He also had 100 name tags to hand out on which he had scrawled the name “Bucko.” It’s a nickname Mr. Peterson sometimes uses for his fans.

“Whenever I listen to him, it’s like he’s telling me something I already knew,” Mr. Logan says. “Learning is remembering.”

When Mr. Peterson comes down the line shaking hands, the crowd cheers in a way that is not normal for a book tour. He is wearing a new three-piece suit, shiny and brown with wide lapels with a decorative silver flourish.

It is evocative of imagery from a hundred years ago. That’s the point. His speech too is from another era — stilted, with old-timey phrases, a hypnotic rhythm. It’s a vocal tactic he came to only recently. Videos from a few years ago have him speaking and dressing in a more modern way.

I ask him about the retro clothes and phrases. He calls it his prairie populism.

“That’s what happens when you rescue your father from the belly of the whale,” he says. “You rediscover your tradition.”

Inside among the crowd was Sue Bone, 66, a retired flight attendant from Halifax.

Ms. Bone loved her flight attendant job until she began to find it dehumanizing and corporate. Her friend told her the airlines were now run by “angry gay queens,” she says. She found Mr. Peterson. She feels he understands the danger of these strange new social forces.

“He’s waking us up in the West,” she says.

The People Who Have Found Their Leader

The audience during Mr. Peterson’s talk. CreditMark Sommerfeld for The New York Times

 

“You’re a divine locus of consciousness,” Mr. Peterson tells the crowd of 1,200 or so people.

He looks down as he walks. He paces. He pleads — he often sounds frustrated, like you’ve just said something absurd and he’s trying to correct you without raising his voice. He speaks for over an hour without any notes. He runs his hands over his face when it’s all too much. He cries often.

“We love you!” a woman screams from the back of the house

Those with V.I.P. tickets get to shake his hand and take a picture. Many tell him something as they stand, waiting for the flash: “You made me have a religious experience”; “we got back in our faith because of you”; “this is another wedding you can take credit for.”

Mr. Peterson’s response is often, “How’s that working out for you?”

Around midnight, there is still a group outside, lingering and talking.

Lion Arar, 22, a theater student in Montreal, says Mr. Peterson’s discussion of gender brought him back to religion.

“It made sense in a primordial way when he breaks down Adam and Eve, the snake and chaos,” Mr. Arar says. “Eve made Adam self-conscious. Women make men self-conscious because they’re the ultimate judge. I was like, ‘Wow this is really true.’”

The changes in his life include starting to clean his room. “My mom’s been nagging me for years, but I’ve never done it until Dr. Peterson,” he says.

“You organize one shelf, you do that, just incremental challenges,” he says. “That makes you realize, ‘O.K., this is how I grow up.’”

Andrew McVicar, 45, a waiter, says it was good to hear someone finally talk about how hierarchies were okay. He says current politics are pushing for everyone to be the same, promoting women and minorities into unearned positions.

“It’s forced diversity, it’s saying you must have X percent of A-B-C,” he says. “How about, look at yourself?”

Without notes.CreditMark Sommerfeld for The New York Times

 

Jeffrey Rouillard, 21, from Montreal and also studying theater, says he was drawn to Mr. Peterson after watching a prominent female journalist grill him.

“How many times have I been in a situation where I had been set up to be the bad guy?” Mr. Rouillard asks. “Listening to Dr. Peterson, I got a grasp of myself. It’s things I already knew, but now I know how to process the thought.”

Agreeing, Mr. Arar gave off the same guttural m-hmm that Mr. Peterson does.

The Horror of Women

To Naureen Shameem, who works at the Association for Women’s Rights in Development, which is based in Canada, Mr. Peterson’s philosophies are part of a bigger global backlash to gender equality progress.

“It’s an old story, really,” she said. “In a lot of nationalistic projects, women’s bodies and sexualities become important sites of focus and control.”

“Jordan’s exposed something that’s been festering for a long time,” says Justin Trottier, 35, the co-founder of the men’s rights organizations Canadian Association for Equality and Canadian Centre for Men and Families. “Jordan’s forced people to pay attention.”

Mr. Trottier made headlines when his group called the anti-manspreading subway initiatives sexist. Their musty space hosts events in which men discuss the prejudices they perceive against them. One of their group’s main goals is “waking the police up” to female-perpetrated domestic violence, Mr. Trottier says.

Now, “there’s more acceptance of what we’re trying to do,” he says.

The V.I.P. meet and greet. CreditMark Sommerfeld for The New York Times

 

There are now regular Jordan Peterson discussion groups. The one in Toronto meets once a week at a restaurant called Hemingway’s and is run by Chris Shepherd, who used to be a professional pickup artist who coached men on how to get laid fast at a club but is now a dating coach.

Mr. Shepherd first encountered Mr. Peterson in a viral video of the professor getting yelled at by campus activists. Watching the stoic professor take on righteous liberal anger touched Mr. Shepherd.

“Campus censorship has been a problem when I was at university too,” he says at Hemingway’s one recent afternoon.

I ask for an example.

“One law professor said something like, ‘You young ladies should get married and start families,’ and he got fired,” Mr. Shepherd says. “The message was just you’ll have a happier life if you get married instead of focusing on your career.”

“Certainly not a firing offense,” he says. Except, for now, it is.

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whiskey tango foxtrot
whiskey tango foxtrot
May 19, 2018 1:06 pm

What would ANY member of The New York Times staff know about masculinity?

Tim
Tim
May 19, 2018 1:19 pm

Friday, 18 May 2018
Jordan Peterson Is A Globalist Shill
by Lute Currie

Soros: I am the Puppet Master and I hate Whites who are proud of their heritage and nations!

The following is strictly an effort on my part to document with appropriate links the fact that Jordan Peterson is an EU Globalist shill and is connected to George Soros and John Podesta.

1. Jordan B. Peterson worked on the UN Secretary General’s High-Level Panel on Sustainable Development, editing and rewriting a document that was released in 2013 entitled “A NEW GLOBAL PARTNERSHIP: ERADICATE POVERTY AND TRANSFORM ECONOMIES THROUGH SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT”. One of the panel members of this UN High Council was none other than John Podesta.
Jordan Peterson admits involvement at 1m:09s:

Panel list:https://www.un.org/sg/en/management/hlppost2015.shtml

2. The following document declares that it is committed to the goals of the Monterrey Consensus.
http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/policy/untaskteam_undf/HLP%20P2015%20Report.pdf

3. The Monterrey Consensus was the outcome of the 2002 Monterrey Conference, the United Nations International Conference on Financing for Development. It was adopted by Heads of State and Government on 22 March 2002. Over fifty Heads of State and two hundred Ministers of Finance, Foreign Affairs, Development and Trade participated in the event. Governments were joined by the Heads of the United Nations, the International Monetary Fund(IMF), the World Bank and the World Trade Organization (WTO), prominent business and civil society leaders and other stakeholders.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monterrey_Consensus

4. Soros is involved with the UN, WTO, World Bank, and IMF.
UN: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/20/soros-leaks-un-chief-behind-scenes-advocate/
WTO: https://www.tni.org/es/node/5744
World Bank: https://www.romania-insider.com/billionaire-george-soros-and-world-bank-president-meet-roma-community-in-frumusani-romania/
IMF: https://www.forbes.com/pictures/eimh45hhde/news-conference-at-imf-headquarters/#2f26a8432ccf

5. Peterson worked with Jim Balsillie on the UN document.
https://jordanbpeterson.com/12-rules-for-life/

6. Jim Balsillie is the founder of CIGI which is currently organizing a partnership with the Institute for New Economic Thinking, an organization founded by George Soros.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Balsillie

7. Norman Doidge, the man who wrote the foreword for Peterson’s new book 12 Rules for Life, is friends with Jim Balsillie.

Norman Doidge: I Love Globalism and Migrants and I Hate European Nationalism
Norman’s foreword:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/can-we-ever-kick-our-smartphone-addiction-jim-balsillie-and-norman-doidgediscuss/article37976255/

To highlight the nature of the document, here are three choice quotes from it.
There is a global ethic for a globalised world, based on our common humanity, the Rio principles and the shared ethos of all traditions: “do as you would be done by.”
We are also aware of how much more the world will change by 2030. It will be more urban, more middle class, older, more connected, more interdependent, more vulnerable and more constrained in its resources – and still working to ensure that globalization brings maximum benefits to all.
International Migration: The universal human rights and fundamental freedoms of migrants must be respected. These migrants make a positive economic contribution to their host countries, by building up their labour force.
In Conclusion: anyone who has examined these sources has to wonder whether Jordan Peterson is on the side of Western civilization. We can certainly understand why he is so adamantly against White Identity Politics. He clearly seems to be on the side of the Globalists and he’s not even trying to hide it.

jamesthedeplorablewanderer
jamesthedeplorablewanderer
  Tim
May 19, 2018 1:44 pm

If you have a brain, you will hold positions. They may be seamlessly congruous (very difficult) or totally incoherent (99% of humans). I would be less likely to be upset if Jordan Peterson deals with Devil X, because he may agree with one or more positions of Devil X _but not ALL of them_. He may agree with Globalists on one or more arbitrary positions, but be against it in other respects. Let’s say you bought Apple back in the 80’s when they were less globalist and less objectionable. Now Apple has taken positions (now that Jobs and Wozniak are gone) that the originators would not have. Your Apple stock, bought for dollars in 1983, is now worth tens of thousands: are you going to sell it (and pay the tax bill) just because they hold positions you do not agree with? Or hold it until retirement when your tax bill is lower?
You cannot judge someone solely from the company they keep – there are pictures with both Trump and Obama in them, do you think Trump approves of Obama now? If you have black friends does that mean you approve of ghetto culture, even if they do? If Peterson does not support White Identity that’s a position that he has taken or is not vehemently convinced about. I don’t think it negates whatever benefits he is bringing, nor does it mean he is working for the globalists. We shall see.

MN Steel
MN Steel
  jamesthedeplorablewanderer
May 19, 2018 4:22 pm

Has anybody really looked into how JBP first got on television panels, and therefore his initial big publicity, with such “anti-establishment” views, in a country with even less free speech and tighter media control than the U.S.?

Perhaps therein lies the roots of his apparent gatekeeping behavior…

Iconoclast421
Iconoclast421
  Tim
May 19, 2018 10:11 pm

I once worked on projects for Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin. OMG I must be someone’s shill.

thetruthonly
thetruthonly
May 19, 2018 1:24 pm

I’m a huge fan of Jordan, and he has opened my eyes to that socialist state he worries about where
individuals are quashed by the collective.

I recently got quashed myself on the social site Nextdoor. Their list of site etiquette that others can report to get you kicked off is enormous. I can agree spam, which can be defined as way off topic and of unwanted not the purpose of category content is within the rights of a site to have “Terms and Conditions of”. Terms and Conditions however can also be a way of squashing free speech on a site such as Nextdoor with such rules as “no ranting, no campaigning, no self promotion , no soap boxing, must be clean and legal, no over-posting, hijacking conversation, no controversial issues, no politics, no disagreements or conflict, must be polite, no shaming, no conflict of interest, and lots, lots more but finally ends with no fraud.

While those rules sound good, and you have no free speech access if you don’t agree to them, actually removes a lot of your free speech if you do also.

Anyone for any reason (not really motivated by enforcing Nextdoor’s lengthy rules), can report a user
and get them kicked off, forever actually. Virtually everyone violates some of these rules all the time.
One reason for my getting kicked off was a comment I made “Some nerve huh?” in response to a just previous post which among other things read “Get out and take your white babies with you”. Gee somehow I thought my response appropriate, but apparently not.

Like Jordan says, if you are not free to disagree or possibly offend, you can hardly even think and will have a lot harder time coming up with truth. Truth comes out as a result of a process.. free communication.

No where on Nextdoors rules do they have a rule against lying, or if what you say is the truth it doesn’t matter so much how you say it.

While truth varies by opinion, we are all capable of figuring it out together without some web tyrant saying we can’t.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  thetruthonly
May 19, 2018 1:38 pm

I’m not on ANY social media, but I just joined NextDoor – God only knows why. It is pretty amusing sometimes – people living in expensive houses looking for free cardboard boxes. A few locals were in high dudgeon a while back because a dude put an “unsightly” ice rink in his front yard – the horror! Talk about your White People Problems.

bigfoot
bigfoot
  thetruthonly
May 19, 2018 4:49 pm

Why bother with that site?

thetruthonly
thetruthonly
  bigfoot
May 19, 2018 9:51 pm

I went through the liberal travails of living in Santa Cruz a couple days ago. It’s a pretty socialist city (an understatement as it is actually about the most socialist I know of considering 5 of the 7 city council members are either socialist and 1 in fact rents from 2 avowed communist pals) . It has huge homeless problem/even bigger social programs for it and now an oppressive rent control measure coming up that was in fact written by those very same communists. So Nextdoor has a certain local power to communicate in that 20% or so (60% or more in some neighborhoods) are on it city wide.
Although it is a bit like pissing in the wind I do talk up independence and self-reliance a bit on Nextdoor even though strictly speaking, that’s not allowed according to them. Their rules are very vague and subject to abuse by those who don’t want my message out there (which is a LOT of liberal Santa Cruz).

Iconoclast421
Iconoclast421
  thetruthonly
May 19, 2018 10:18 pm

That’s pretty disgusting. At the very least, sites should designate certain areas where there are varying rules on what level of free speech is allowed. Probably half of all threads would naturally gravitate towards the areas without restrictions.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
May 19, 2018 2:04 pm

Weird. It read like a fan piece to me, I completely missed any hit aspect to it.

Capn Mike
Capn Mike
  hardscrabble farmer
May 19, 2018 6:57 pm

Well, when she says: “He’s looked to by young men”. She means he’s a sexist pig. You think “Wow, that’s great”.
So…

Penforce
Penforce
  hardscrabble farmer
May 19, 2018 7:32 pm

Agree, didn’t see the hit.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
May 19, 2018 2:52 pm

It’s always good to see someone hitting back against the PC Vendors, I don’t care who they are.
I don’t trust Trump but I have staunchly defended his courage to do a whack job on PC. Kanye West is the new Kunta Kinte leading the splivs off the res and I cheer him on as well.
With plenty of help from our loving government we have raised generations of ManPussies. It’s time we quit pretending we didn’t and turn it around by being more willing to get a black eye for manhood.
Hundreds of millions of Muslim women haven’t revolted after 1,000 years of alleged oppression and show no signs of doing so. So how bad can it really be to stay that way. Any man who has ever been married knows damn well how miserable a wife can make you when their basic needs for security and family are being neglected, so I’m sure they could have demanded and gotten better terms by now.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Fleabaggs
May 19, 2018 10:31 pm

Flea, Muslim women don’t revolt because they are either spiritually blind or they are too scared to revolt.

Oh, and they will lose their kids if they try it and live.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Mary Christine
May 19, 2018 11:01 pm

Mary C.
Sorry, I’m not buying it.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Fleabaggs
May 19, 2018 11:08 pm

Why not? Do you know any muslim women?

I can find you some evidence but not tonight. I am tired. I can make it a post maybe.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Mary Christine
May 20, 2018 5:04 pm

Mary C.
I’m not buying it as a reason why they haven’t held out for better terms. I said nothing about revolt, you chose to hear it that way. I could find evidence of Christian men killing their wives for trying to leave them.
Are you aware that when a Muslim wife bears a son she gains status way above all women who haven’t done so yet? Her mother inlaw must treat her with respect and can no longer Lord it over her if she wants to be able to dote and fuss over her grandson.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Fleabaggs
May 20, 2018 8:28 pm

Mary C.
My apologies. My cheap cell phone failed to send the edit I made. It should have read “revolted by refusing to comply as women can do when something is just too much.

Real Aryan
Real Aryan
  Mary Christine
May 20, 2018 5:53 pm

Do YOU know any? I do and theyre all very happy to have it so good. Its open to abuse in some places but so was western patriarchy b4 feminism made many more people miserable. Under feminism all men are like a womans pets if he lives with a woman. He can be destroyed any time with the entire system at her disposal. He trusts her to take care of him in the same way her dog does and the same way a muslim woman does of men. But if u want to champion the western way, ok. The birthrate is about 5 to 1 their way with ours heading for extinction.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
May 19, 2018 3:25 pm

Bah, this guy is no more than a new-age guru for the godless. Peterson and Brand are a collection of confusion in themselves. A true philosophy is clearly stated and simple to understand. When special terms require definition and the knowledge is esoteric, then you have the makings of a man-made religion like Psychology and Scientology.

In that case, the guru seems to be the only one able to interpret natural phenomena and the followers cling to him for divine interpretation. I prefer el doggie’s philosophy of machismo. At least he isn’t speaking in pseudo-religious tones about a locus of consciousness. His philosophy is firmly based on the bible: … you will desire to control your husband, but he will rule over you.”

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  EL Coyote
May 19, 2018 8:22 pm

Not every thing he says is bad. He has a lot of good points he makes.
Pull out the good stuff and throw away the bad

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Mary Christine
May 20, 2018 2:36 am

He may have borrowed a page from Trump; take everything the opposition hates and package it with a golden bow (a wall) and present it as something fresh for the troops.

Peterson is re-packaging all the regressive ideas and presenting them with humbug mumbo-jumbo to make conservative ideas sound fresh. A dismissive and denigrating attitude of superiority has paid off handsomely for Brand, Peterson and Trump. The hoi-polloi are taken in by the theater and impressed with their cocksure intimidation (what do you think that gesture means, the way you’re touching that bottle, you need to lose that ring, Lisa) and verbal abuse of women (you can grab them by the pussy).

bigfoot
bigfoot
May 19, 2018 4:58 pm

“A true philosophy is clearly stated and simple to understand.” -El Coyote

“Thou shalt not kill.”

“Love thy neighbor as thyself”

Ecclesiastes 3:8 8a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.

Romans 13:1-7 1Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
May 19, 2018 6:04 pm

A Jordan Peterson event seems to be the social equivalent of a “man cave.”

All of Feminism is underpinned by two things. 1) The state sanction of marriage. Basically, getting married with a “state certification” when in reality marriage was always, pre 20th century, a religious concern.

2) Many women have meaningless, non-productive jobs financed by taxes and borrowing from the state. These jobs have been created through debt creation, including non-profit social services jobs.

Two things will turn the tide of feminism. Men no longer getting married with a state certificate and an economic crisis where western governments can no longer borrow to make meaningless jobs.

starfcker
starfcker
  JR Wirth
May 19, 2018 8:01 pm

JR, you can’t repeat this enough “Many women have meaningless, non-productive jobs financed by taxes and borrowing from the state. These jobs have been created through debt creation, including non-profit social services jobs.”

Brian
Brian
May 19, 2018 7:15 pm

Mr. Peterson is orders of magnitude smarter than all those fucktards at the NYT’s combined.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Brian
May 20, 2018 2:44 am

Orders of magnitude, WTF does that mean? I have heard it used before by Billy who claimed he was orders of magnitude better than me. I can understand if you were using it to describe a logarithmic scale but how do you measure smart? IQ is not measured on a log scale. Peterson would have to have brain cells in his nutsack to get so far up in the IQ scale that he would be orders of magnitude smarter than anybody.

Brian
Brian
  EL Coyote
May 20, 2018 6:09 am
EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Brian
May 20, 2018 4:40 pm

Look, dude, if you linked that powers of 10 video where we go from your microscopic brain to outer space, I’ve seen it. T4C went one better and compared the brain’s neuron network to galactic networks. ( I liked the doctor’s view of the Milky Way as a lactic network in the human breast.)

I meant, how do you use that expression to compare other folks to Peterson? He’s a psychologist, not even a doctor. Now he is selling the snake oil of religion, I fully expect to see him lay hands on some weak-dick TBPer and hearing him say Heal!

Penforce
Penforce
May 19, 2018 7:40 pm

Fuck, it’s just pleasant to listen to someone that acts like they believe what they say. The 50s and 60 and some of the 70’s were an undeniable blast. Petersons is old school and I can listen to him all day, but will such an old school message catch on, even if rings truth.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
  Penforce
May 19, 2018 9:36 pm

It’s not a question of it catching on, human nature is unchangeable, and slowly moves like a pendulum between hyper masculinity and hyper femininity (where we are now). A hyper feminine society is a late stage decadent society. Once a society hits a level of anarchy this produces, it then goes the other direction with mob-boss like leaders and hyper feminine women in fur coats draped over them (like any gangsta rap video).

This will happen after the economic crisis (inevitable) hits and millions of women go to bed with empty stomachs. They will demand protective, masculine men, and men will change their roles accordingly.

thetruthonly
thetruthonly
May 19, 2018 11:51 pm

I would point out a warning for those who want change, evolution produces change, and then the adaptability and utility of that change either survives (good idea?), or dies out (not so good an idea?). Change itself isn’t necessarily good (or bad), it just occurs and the consequences of it play out over time. Our ability to predict the consequences of change are limited, and those who want it better fess up to the possibility the change they want may not turn out the way they want (yeah, we could all die or a lesser desirable life condition produced).
Those who want this “new” change always think they know which will happen, but don’t really.
Jordan points out that this new 2’nd gen socialist drift to the failed social order of Communism (no fan of Fascist ‘s either) is alarming, has already been tried to miserable consequences, and is really his motivation to communicate that concern as logically and fact based as he can.

Mike
Mike
May 20, 2018 12:30 am

That’s not a hit piece, this is a HIT PIECE:
(YouTube) Voxday Darkstream 05.13.2018 Jordan Peterson is a Globalist Shill
There’s at least a half dozen since late April.
He may be the best analyst of SJW’s out there.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
May 20, 2018 9:47 am

Far to much religious nonesense that has morphed most faiths into pointless rituals and mindless superstitions .
It should be enough to attempt to do right by your fellow human beings you come in contact with and defend infancy and innocence because that brings you pleasure in a place others cannot touch . Dr. Peterson appears to jump start the individual thinking process which should spark the intellect in any person capable of being part of something greater than ones self .
Attempting to search for basic principles of life to improve yourself and in turn all you affect is by no means a waste of time . You may even feel your soul expand , if you can see inside your heart you may begin to understand .
We as a society are engulfed in true trying times and some who hear a message from Dr. Peterson just may be part of a solution or at least prevent things from degrading further .
Forget Me Not

ottomatik
ottomatik
May 20, 2018 3:41 pm

He has targeted the communist, a point we can all agree on.
Good enough for me.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
May 20, 2018 8:30 pm

Mary C.
My apologies. My cheap cell phone failed to send the edit I made. It should have read “revolted by refusing to comply as women can do when something is just too much.

Mike
Mike
May 22, 2018 12:57 pm

This is wonderful! Stef deconstructs the Slim Times Hit Piece:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgOkI-z27sw&feature=youtu.be&t=0m0s

Stef is the ‘philosophy professor’ exposing fallacies, and lessons in deconstructing and rebutting them to VERY interested and engaged students – like me. To give lessons in the WWWWWH of propaganda, training, and the social context behind it.

Why was it wonderful? I don’t know how many people read the hit piece, why, or what their engagement was. Did it just stroke their feeling of Progressive Superiority™? To enjoy a Two Minute Hate on Peterson? Just looking to see what NYT was ranting about today? Or ammo for argument and deconstruction – like Stef?

I see an exhausted feminist NYT, hysterically preaching to the crowd, widely enough to come to the attention of Stef. His deconstruction is only three days old already has 101k views and probably 2x as many downloads. And probably shared with 2 or 3 people each.

NYT reports 3M circulation, how much engagement? Let’s call it 3M because if half of their subscribers don’t read that article, probably at least that many read that article from commentary from other sources.

Stef is addressing who? Young people. Very smart people. Very engaged people. Motivated people who don’t want Bernie’s Venezuela to be imposed on them here. Un-Sheeple! (neologism 🙂 ) People who really need to know how to argue issues philosophically against a cascade – no, a flood, yea a torrent – of propaganda. Very sophisticated professionally produced propaganda no less.

So NYT produces a feminist panic piece, arrogating itself full spectrum cultural and intellectual dominance and a captive audience, only to have some guy in his bedroom with a camera use it to train a MILLION future revolutionaries – in three days – on how to destroy the Establishment – yes, the one that claims it’s The Resistance®!!