Reliance On Broken Polling Data Will Leave “Analysts” Stumped When Republicans Hold The House

Originally Posted at Free Market Shooter

Similar to the 2016 election, political pundits have been stating for months that the Democratic party is all but a sure thing to win enough seats to control the House of Representatives.  The Drudge Report recently featured the below headline highlighting FiveThirtyEight’s prediction:

We predicted that the Republican party would lose some seats but hold the House, even prior to the contentious Kavanaugh confirmation hearings.  Since then, the Republican party’s position has only strengthened, buoyed by non-stop campaigning by President Trump amid record-breaking crowds.  Still, this has not changed the tune of the political pundits (or the gamblers) who continue to predict a Democratic House and return of Speaker Pelosi.  

No one is more vocal about this then the aforementioned Nate Silver, who heads up FiveThirtyEight and presumably stands behind his calculations.  We will give him the benefit of the doubt and examine his “deluxe” forecast, instead of the “classic” cited above:

Well if he thinks Democrat House odds are 83%, he must love them at 67%, where he can currently bet them on PredictIt:

Odds taken from PredictIt on 10-23-2018 at 2:20PM

The major flaw in FiveThirtyEight’s forecasts is their near-total reliance on polling data, with little analysis given to the districts themselves, as stated in their methodology:

We’re adjusting poll results in three ways: Polls of registered voters or all adults are adjusted to a likely-voter basis; older polls are adjusted based on shifts in the generic congressional ballot since the poll was conducted; and polls are adjusted for house effects (the tendency for a firm’s polls to lean toward Democrats or Republicans). Polls with larger sample sizes and those conducted by higher-quality polling agencies are given more weight, as are more recent polls.

To counter this, FMShooter will examine three “close” districts in Florida, a swing state that commonly rates as “purple”, and where voting results frequently mimic the national mood in any given election year.  The most obvious example FiveThirtyEight’s data failure is in FL-27, the district containing Miami Beach and south Miami, which they are stating is all but certain to flip:

The district has been represented by Ileana Ros-Lehtinen since 2013, in spite of its heavy blue tilt.  Ros-Lehtinen had won fifteen elections, but is retiring this year.  Competing for the seat are Donna Shalala, Bill Clinton’s former HHS secretary, and Maria Salazar, a Telemundo news anchor.  The district is over 71% Hispanic, and this should be an easy flip for Democrats, except…

Shalala is a member of the heavily-disliked Clinton cabal, and does not speak Spanish in a heavily Hispanic district.  Salazar, meanwhile, has been on TV for years as an anchor, and is attempting to fill a longtime Republican seat.  While we do not expect the Republicans to win this seat, we certainly think the odds are much closer to 50/50 than the 80+% Silver’s analysts have assigned to the race.

FiveThirtyEight has another nearby district, FL-26, as a toss-up:

Two-term Republican incumbent Carlos Curbelo won both of his elections fairly handily, by three and twelve points respectively.  A district local, he has a relatively low Trump score according to FiveThirtyEight themselves, opposing Trump when it represented his district.

His opponent Debbie Mucarsel-Powell is a political unknown, whose father was killed in Ecuador, a country with far stricter gun laws than the US.  That of course hasn’t stopped her from making tighter gun control a linchpin of her platform, a foolish strategy in the “gunshine” state.

We’re not sure what has changed in the district that will lead Mucarsel-Powell to make up even three points, especially with President Trump’s work to carry the party on the national level.  With the Kavanaugh hearings being used by Curbelo against Mucarsel-Powell, we estimate the odds of Curbelo winning are far above the 54.6% (or 50-50 “classic” forecast) that FiveThirtyEight is projecting.  

But perhaps the most blatant area of FiveThirtyEight’s data failure is in FL-15:

Containing Lakeland and other Tampa Bay exurbs, the district has been a Republican stronghold for decades.  Even in 2008, when the national party was carried by former President Obama, it was lost by 15 points (when it was the 12th district).  Dennis Ross, the district’s current Representative, is retiring, and Florida State Representative Ross Spano is the GOP nominee to fill the seat.

The district is nearly 60% white, a demographic which heavily favors President Trump.  Ross’s opponent, Kristen Carlson, is somewhat of an unknown to us, running on what appears to be the party platform.  While most will attribute the national mood and a “blue wave” to the generic ballot swinging, the reliance on polls instead of solid analysis will more than likely leave Democratic voters disappointed with the results in FL-15.

Nate Silver would be wise to turn back the clock to the GA-06 special election in 2017, where tens of millions of dollars were spent by the DNC attempting to flip a solidly Republican seat.  Silver followed the polls, delivering this cringeworthy prediction:

If the above races follow our non polling-driven analysis, as opposed to a fancy website which relies on the generic ballot to forecast, it might be time for Silver to admit that his polling data is broken in the Trump political era

 

Note: The oddsmakers seem to also be following polls and data like Silver’s, delivering what we believe to be mispriced markets on betting websites.  See parts one, two, and three of our Midterm Election guide for Senate races that we like.  We plan on providing a final segment to the guide just before the election, updating one or two Senate races with new predictions.  

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Lucky Strike
Lucky Strike
October 24, 2018 8:35 am

Watching the public scurry about like an ant colony that’s just been pissed on.

The Elections, The Caravan, Lions & Tigers & Bears Oh My!

How ‘bot dem Red Sox?

Scamerica and The Church Of What’s Happenin’ Now.

“Scuse me while I vomit.

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 24, 2018 8:52 am

I’ve been thinking a lot about thinking. And how relevant Baynes model is. And how every living thing down to cells must have it. How else could my ideal Ron Paul model have moved to the Trumpian Civ Nat for the moment?

Like wise, how did those on the other end of the spectrum become so unhinged? The Black Pieon offers up a theory of their model dating back to the Magna Carta and the birth of liberalism. And this algorithm of egalitarianism is essentially a freedom movement from all perceived social norms that enevitably leads to an ideal utopia that winds up destroying itself.

The only piece of sensory information that can justify their model is that American whites are sexist, homophobe , racists.

It is said that the left is going through an extential crisis. Let’s hope it’s them an not us after the election.

BL
BL
  Anonymous
October 24, 2018 8:57 am

Anon- You ask how? Because kabuki bro. This election is a sham just like past elections and nothing will change even if your side is victorious. Spend time doing something that benefits you and yours and let the kabuki drone on into infinity with one less sucker.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
October 24, 2018 9:01 am

OH, and I do posit a theory on why the left needs to be more vocal on Facebook and have more bumper stickers. These are more sensory data of likeminded people who confirm their own bias.

Those of us on the right are actually more confident of our model.

None of these polling models can remove bias of the observer. Because the observer needs to validate their own model.

BL
BL
  Anonymous
October 24, 2018 9:11 am

Hey Anon….. Left/Right…Left/Right….Left/Right….Left/Right…..keep marching . Have you heard about, Red/Blue….Red/Blue…..Red/Blue…….Red/Blue?

Brainlock
Brainlock
  Anonymous
October 24, 2018 11:09 am

1. “perceived social norms” Either they are norms or they are your delusions.
2. “ideal utopia” That’s redundant.
3. “sensory information” Perception?
4. “algorithm of egalitarianism” That does not compute.

BL
BL
  Brainlock
October 24, 2018 12:58 pm

Brainleak- Algorithms run the stock market and also run the elections. Millions of bots are loosed to sway public perceptions/sensory information. Cambridge Analytica is a powerful tool Brain.

SmallerGovNow
SmallerGovNow
October 24, 2018 9:12 am

I predict Salazar will beat Donna S by 5%. I’ll come back and eat crow if I’m wrong… Chip

Dutchman
Dutchman
October 24, 2018 9:31 am

A poll is nothing more than asking you, your opinion, and then selling it to you as news.

Brian Reilly
Brian Reilly
October 24, 2018 10:03 am

All this talk about polls and predictions may well be a set-up for questioning the legitimacy of the elections. Watch to see if the Dem vote total is greater, and the Repubs win a majority of House seats. The game will be on by the Progs and their spear-carriers in the media to call it all a sham. They will also work hard (and may succeed, if the required number is 2 or 3) to move some RINO House members into their caucus.

This is fast pitch hardball all the way. All the media, all the big tech guys, not a few Republicans all want the Dems to end up with the House. They seem to be damned worried about something big. I don’t know if any of the rumors or Q-anon stuff is true, but… if it is, watch out.

One thing for sure: Trump is going to be hilarious regardless. Can you imagine the grin on his face if a bunch of indictments of Dems were to come down? Priceless. Hell, that is enough reason to go vote right there!!

Uncola
Uncola
October 24, 2018 10:53 am

RE: The math is dead and the data is broken:

The major flaw in FiveThirtyEight’s forecasts is their near-total reliance on polling data, with little analysis given to the districts themselves, as stated in their methodology:

Prior to the 2016 elections, on a now ancient thread, I was debating the Canadian Doogie Becker incognito, when he said the election was over because the polls showed Trump as having no chance to win.

At the time, I claimed the swarms coming out of the woodwork would crush the polls, and that’s what happened in key electoral races.

And this is why I said on another thread yesterday that:

…the Red or Blue wave depends upon which team pulls the most from the previously non-voting two-thirds.

The question remains whether the hatred for Trump will override those who are angered by Kavanaugh and the Honduran Mob. More specifically, how many of the great unwashed register and show up to vote.

Moreover, there are very likely many Hispanics in America now who feel just as threatened by the forthcoming Latin American Express, as do Deplorables. After all, they’re here and got theirs. People are greedy and don’t want to share. It’s human nature regardless of their color.

This means more Hispanics could vote for Trump then the so-called experts realize.

The same goes with blacks and the economy.

Just as in the 2016 Presidential Election, the pollsters are quite possibly stumbling around in the dark once again; because they’re still shining their lights in the same old tired corners.

At the same time, it’s also quite possible the hatred for Trump is stronger than anyone realizes.

In any event, turnout often makes any predictions moot.

We’ll know soon enough.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Uncola
October 24, 2018 11:04 am

A HUGE factor is that in some places there is an atmosphere that if you say anything good about Trump or Republican candidates some nut job attacks you and your car gets vandalized or any number of unpleasant things. Few want to deal with that yet will go in the booth and vote for Trump or his supporters with a “take that motherhumpers!” as they do it.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
  Harrington Richardson
October 24, 2018 12:38 pm

Correct. Conservative or anti-establishment candidates always under-poll because their supporters tend to be a little cautious about sharing their views, or just plain lie in some cases.

deplorably stanley
deplorably stanley
October 24, 2018 11:15 am

Here is my uneducated off-the-wall prediction for the midterm election without any statistical or evidence backup: the repubs will keep on winning. Dems will keep on transgendering.

Here is my same unsubstantiated opinion on the 2020 presidential election:
Trump will win a second term.

Brainlock
Brainlock
  deplorably stanley
October 24, 2018 12:10 pm

It’s not so off the wall, ZH reports millenials and Hispanics are holding off voting for Dems. Good.
Fucking Dems developed acute flaccid wrist syndrome and were unable to even propose Immigration Reform without an assist from Repubs. Well, guess what? I can’t pull the lever for you Pelosians.

Stucky
Stucky
October 24, 2018 11:59 am

College basketball season is upon us. There are literally many dozens of “preseason polls” where schools are ranked, players of the year are predicted, where each school will finish in its conference, blah, blah, blah, blah, ad blahfinitum. Comparing the preseason results to actual end-of-year results will show that these so-called expert prognosticators have about the same success rate as chimps randomly making guesses. What a worthless fucken endeavor. Yet, people are drawn to such bullshit year after year, even though they never get it right, and the die-hards spend endless hours debating on-line why their team is better than Team X … when neither team has yet to play even one game. People must not realize that their time on earth is limited! Otherwise, they wouldn’t waste their lives on this enormously useless trivial bullshit.

OK, what the fuck does that have to do with the article?? This; political polls are even worse than that!!!

Pollsters are six deviations to the left of retardation … and people who waste their time taking them seriously (like fukwad news “reporters” are even worse.)

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Stucky
October 24, 2018 2:42 pm

Polls are done by News Organizations in order to have something to report. Too often something to use to attempt to propagandize. “Your state has fifteen million people and we asked 46 gay female Jewish Democrat Precinct Captains and 80 Independents and 6 Republicans who they thought would win the Presidency in 2024. 55 predicted Kamaltoe Harris with 77 Don’t Know or wouldn’t answer.
CNN predicts Kamaltoe Harris will walk away with the White House!

nkit
nkit
  Stucky
October 24, 2018 5:59 pm

So Stucky, what’s your prediction for Archie’s boys this year? One and done? You remember the NCAA tournament, right? Better than last year’s 16-15? I know, blah blah blah blah blah.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
October 24, 2018 1:17 pm

It’s as predictable as the Sunrise in the morning.

The Left/Dems/Progs/NPC’s whatever you want to call them live in a constant state of denial on so many fronts it would be weird if they actually understood what was about to happen. But they don’t, or more accurately, can’t.

The 2 years of venomous hatred and unremitting protests against the President, and “his supporters” have demonstrated what rule would look like under them if they ever get back. You think people haven’t seen the Facesperg/Twatter/Google purges? They know to keep their mouths shut. It’s been the only lesson they’ve taught in the past two decades- surrender your, thoughts, beliefs, traditions and posterity or you’ll be economically and socially ruined. There’s only a few places where normies can come right out and say what they want and one of them is in the voting booth. Those of us who saw this coming two years ago got the same song and dance about an inevitable future of fundamental transformation, but it’s because it’s the only tune they play.

The desperation of the last few months has been palpable and they are caught between a rock and a hard place- continue to project their “Blue Wave” narrative and lose a large number of their less than motivated base due to over confidence or go into panic mode and show everyone just how out of touch they are with the American voter. That’s probably why they’re mailing themselves pipe bombs and opening up the gates for a human wave attack on our southern flank.

They’re out of options.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  hardscrabble farmer
October 24, 2018 5:18 pm

Reporter Paul Sperry wrote the pipe bombs look like something the Coyote got from ACME to use on the Road Runner. They were intended to be “faux.”

TampaRed
TampaRed
October 24, 2018 1:20 pm

normally the party of any potus loses big in his 1st midterm so trump has won if the reps only lose a few seats–
i happen to believe that the reps will at least keep the house & senate,and might even slightly increase their majorities–
currently there is a huge x factor here in florida–after last year’s hurricane huge #s of puerto ricans were brought here,and the dems have been courting them–if many of them show up,it could affect some races–

TampaRed
TampaRed
October 24, 2018 8:47 pm

here’s a new democratic campaign ad–

KaD
KaD
October 24, 2018 10:25 pm

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