35 years ago, Isaac Asimov was asked by the Star to predict the world of 2019. Here is what he wrote

Via The Star

Guest Post by Isaac Asimov

Originally published Dec. 31, 1983

lf we look into the world as it may be at the end of another generation, let’s say 2019 — that’s 35 years from now, the same number of years since 1949 when George Orwell’s 1984 was first published — three considerations must dominate our thoughts:

In 1983, American writer Isaac Asimov wrote that by 2019, “It is quite likely that society, then, will have entered a phase that may be more or less permanently improved over the situation as it now exists.”n 1983, American writer Isaac Asimov wrote that by 2019, “It is quite likely that society, then, will have entered a phase that may be more or less permanently improved over the situation as it now exists.” (Mondadori Portfolio)

1. Nuclear war. 2. Computerization. 3. Space utilization.

If the United States and the Soviet Union flail away at each other at any time between now and 2019, there is absolutely no use to discussing what life will be like in that year. Too few of us, or of our children and grand· children, will be alive then for there to be any point in describing the precise condition of global misery at that time.

Let us, therefore, assume there will be no nuclear war — not necessarily a safe assumption — and carry on from there.

Computerization will undoubtedly continue onward inevitably. Computers have already made themselves essential to the governments of the industrial nations, and to world industry: and it is now beginning to make itself comfortable in the home.

An essential side product, the mobile computerized object, or robot, is already flooding into industry and will, in the course of the next generation, penetrate the home.

There is bound to be resistance to the march of the computers, but barring a successful Luddite revolution, which does not seem in the cards, the march will continue.

The growing complexity of society will make it impossible to do without them, except by courting chaos; and those parts of the world that fall behind in this respect will suffer so obviously as a result that their ruling bodies will clamour for computerization as they now clamour for weapons.

The immediate effect of intensifying computerization will be, of course, to change utterly our work habits. This has happened before.

Before the Industrial Revolution, the vast majority of humanity was engaged in agriculture and indirectly allied professions. After industrialization, the shift from the farm to the factory was rapid and painful. With computerization the new shift from the factory to something new will be still more rapid and in consequence, still more painful.

It is not that computerization is going to mean fewer jobs as a whole, for technological advance has always, in the past, created more jobs than it has destroyed, and there is no reason to think that won’t be true now, too.

However, the jobs created are not identical with the jobs that have been destroyed, and in similar cases in the past the change has never been so radical.

Destroying our minds

The jobs that will disappear will tend to be just those routine clerical and assembly-line jobs that are simple enough, repetitive enough, and stultifying enough to destroy the finely balanced minds of those human beings unfortunate enough to have been forced to spend years doing them in order to earn a living, and yet complicated enough to rest above the capacity of any machine that is neither a computer nor computerized.

It is these that computers and robots for which they are perfectly designed will take over.

The jobs that will appear will, inevitably, involve the design, the manufacture, the installation, the maintenance and repair of computers and robots, and an understanding of whole new industries that these “intelligent” machines will make possible.

This means that a vast change in the nature of education must take place, and entire populations must be made “computer-literate” and must be taught to deal with a “high-tech” world.

 

Again, this sort of thing has happened before. An industrialized workforce must, of necessity, be more educated than an agricultural one. Field hands can get along without knowing how to read and write. Factory employees cannot.

Consequently, public education on a mass scale had to be introduced in industrializing nations in the course of the 19th century.

The change, however, is much faster this time and society must work much faster; perhaps faster than they can. It means that the next generation will be one of difficult transition as untrained millions find themselves helpless to do the jobs that most need doing.

By the year 2019, however, we should find that the transition is about over. Those who can he retrained and re-educated will have been: those who can’t be will have been put to work at something useful, or where ruling groups are less wise, will have been supported by some sort of grudging welfare arrangement.

In any case, the generation of the transition will be dying out, and there will be a new generation growing up who will have been educated into the new world. It is quite likely that society, then, will have entered a phase that may be more or less permanently improved over the situation as it now exists for a variety of reasons.

First: Population will be continuing to increase for some years after the present and this will make the pangs of transition even more painful. Governments will be unable to hide from themselves the fact that no problem can possibly be solved as long as those problems continue to be intensified by the addition of greater numbers more rapidly than they can be dealt with.

Efforts to prevent this from happening by encouraging a lower birthrate will become steadily more strenuous and it is to be hoped that by 2019, the world as a whole will be striving toward a population plateau.

Second: The consequences of human irresponsibility in terms of waste and pollution will become more apparent and unbearable with time and again, attempts to deal with this will become more strenuous. It is to be hoped that by 2019, advances in technology will place tools in our hands that will help accelerate the process whereby the deterioration of the environment will be reversed.

Third: The world effort that must be invested in this and in generally easing the pains of the transition may, assuming the presence of a minimum level of sanity among the peoples of the world, again not a safe assumption, weaken in comparison the causes that have fed the time-honoured quarrels between and within nations over petty hatred and suspicions.

In short, there will be increasing co-operation among nations and among groups within nations, not out of any sudden growth of idealism or decency but out of a cold-blooded realization that anything less than that will mean destruction for all.

By 2019, then, it may well be that the nations will be getting along well enough to allow the planet to live under the faint semblance of a world government by co-operation, even though no one may admit its existence.

Aside from these negative advances — the approaching defeat of overpopulation, pollution and militarism — there will be positive advances, too.

Education, which must be revolutionized in the new world, will be revolutionized by the very agency that requires the revolution — the computer.

Schools will undoubtedly still exist, but a good schoolteacher can do no better than to inspire curiosity which an interested student can then satisfy at home at the console of his computer outlet.

There will be an opportunity finally for every youngster, and indeed, every person, to learn what he or she wants to learn. in his or her own time, at his or her own speed, in his or her own way.

Education will become fun because it will bubble up from within and not be forced in from without.

At the dawn of 1984, Isaac Asimov predicted that robots would be common by the year 2019. They are, in many forms, although silicone-covered sex companions may have been one step beyond his imagination.
At the dawn of 1984, Isaac Asimov predicted that robots would be common by the year 2019. They are, in many forms, although silicone-covered sex companions may have been one step beyond his imagination.  (FRED DUFOUR)

 

While computers and robots are doing the scut-work of society so that the world, in 2019, will seem more and more to be “running itself,” more and more human beings will find themselves living a life rich in leisure.

This does not mean leisure to do nothing, but leisure to do something one wants to do; to be free to engage in scientific research. in literature and the arts, to pursue out-of-the-way interests and fascinating hobbies of all kinds.

And if it seems impossibly optimistic to suppose that the world could be changing in this direction in a mere 35 years (only changing, of course. and not necessarily having achieved the change totally), then add the final item to the mix. Add my third phrase: space utilization.

It is not likely that we will abandon space, having come this far. And if militarism fades, we will do more with it than make it another arena for war. Nor will we simply make trips through it.

We will enter space to stay.

With the shuttle rocket as the vehicle, we will build a space station and lay the foundation for making space a permanent home for increasing numbers of human beings.

Mining the Moon

By 2019, we will be back on the moon in force. There will be on it not Americans only, but an international force of some size; and not to collect moon rocks only, but to establish a mining station that will process moon soil and take it to places in space where it can be smelted into metals, ceramics. glass and concrete — construction materials for the large structures that will be put in orbit about the Earth.

One such structure which very conceivably, might be completed by 2019 would be the prototype of a solar power station, outfitted to collect solar energy, convert it to microwaves and beam it to Earth.

It would be the first of a girdle of such devices fitted about Earth’s equatorial plane. It would the beginning of the time when a major part of Earth’s energy will come from the sun under conditions that will make it not the property of any one nation, but of the globe generally.

Such structures will be, in themselves guarantees of world peace and continued co-operation among nations. The energy will be so necessary to all and so clearly deliverable only if the nations remain at peace and work together, that war would become simply unthinkable — by popular demand.

In addition, observatories will be built in space to increase our knowledge of the universe immeasurably; as will laboratories, where experiments can be conducted that might be unsafe, or impossible, on Earth’s surface.

Most important, in a practical sense, would be the construction of factories that could make use of the special properties of space — high and low temperatures, hard radiation. Unlimited vacuum, zero gravity — to manufacture objects that could be difficult or impossible to manufacture on Earth, so that the world’s technology might be totally transformed.

In fact, projects might even be on the planning boards in 2019 to shift industries into orbit in a wholesale manner. Space, you see, is far more voluminous than Earth’s surface is and it is therefore a far more useful repository for the waste that is inseparable from industry.

Nor are there living things in space to suffer from the influx of waste. And the waste would not even remain in Earth’s vicinity, but would be swept outward far beyond the asteroid belt by the solar wind.

Earth will then be in a position to rid itself of the side-effects of industrialization, and yet without actually getting rid of its needed advantages. The factories will he gone, but not far. only a few thousand miles straight up.

And humanity, not its structures only. will eventually be in space. By 2019, the first space settlement should be on the drawing boards; and may perhaps be under actual construction.

It would be the first of many in which human beings could live by the tens of thousands, and in which they could build small societies of all kinds, lending humanity a further twist of variety.

In fact, although the world of 2019 will he far changed from the present world of 1984, that will only be a barometer of far greater changes planned for the years still to come.

EDITOR’S NOTE

How and why did the Star get Asimov to write for us back in 1983?

Vian Ewart, who was Insight editor then, says the idea for an Orwell series came naturally, and he recalls the project fondly to this day. He put together a team including a writer (Ellie Tesher), an illustrator and layout designer.

“Asimov was popular at the time” for his science fiction, Ewart says, “so I simply phoned him at his New York home and asked him. He loved the idea of a 1984 series and was pleased to be ‘the lead-off writer.’ He was a very gracious man and charged $1 a word.”

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bob
bob

With sideburns like that, I hope that guy had at least one western style leisure suit. At least one.

old white guy
old white guy

Asimov did not know that humans would decide biology no longer existed, or that insanity would be embraced as normal.

Darrell Dullnig
Darrell Dullnig

Sounds to me like Asimov had been drinking too much of his own science fiction koolaid. Poor guy; I would like to see his face when he discovered that it was not NASA, but Hollywood who succeeded in getting to the moon. Whole factories a few thousand miles up! It just goes to show you that simply writing about space does not make one knowledgeable about it.

Subwo
Subwo

Agree. I am surprised that he bought into the moon landing. Perhaps that is the side his bread was buttered. How he would be able to think the earth had enough raw materials to make space stations in his imaginative amounts is beyond me.

Anonymous
Anonymous

you think we don’t have space stations??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddFvjfvPnqk

Subwo
Subwo

…in his imaginative amounts.

Iwasntbornwithenufmiddlefingers
Iwasntbornwithenufmiddlefingers

Some of that shit really looks faked

JLW
JLW

Boy, was he an optimist. I guess he either did not know what the ruling class had in store or just did not want to publicize it. One of his biggest misses speaks volumes, namely Education. It has not essentially changed since its American version was introduced in the last 1800s from Prussia. I think it is at least one of the biggest ‘roots’ of evil and allows the elite to keep everyone on the plantation.

flash
flash

The future more accurately predicted …

The State has always been the patrimony of some privileged class: a priestly class, an aristocratic class, a bourgeois class. And finally, when all the other classes have exhausted themselves, the State then becomes the patrimony of the bureaucratic class… But in the People’s State of Marx there will be, we are told, no privileged class at all….but there will be a government and, note this well, an extremely complex government. This government will not content itself with administering and governing the masses politically, as all governments do today. It will also administer the masses economically, concentrating in the hands of the State the production and division of wealth, the cultivation of land, the establishment and development of factories, the organization and direction of commerce, and finally the application of capital to production by the only banker – the State. All that will demand an immense knowledge and many heads “overflowing with brains” in this government. It will be the reign of scientific intelligence, the most aristocratic, despotic, arrogant, and elitist of all regimes. There will be a new class, a new hierarchy of real and counterfeit scientists and scholars, and the world will be divided into a minority ruling in the name of knowledge, and an immense ignorant majority. And then, woe unto the mass of ignorant ones!
Such a regime will not fail to arouse very considerable discontent in the masses of the people, and in order to keep them in check, the “enlightened” and “liberating” government of Mr. Marx will have need of a not less considerable armed force. For the government must be strong, says Engels, to maintain order among these millions of illiterates whose mighty uprising would be capable of destroying and overthrowing everything, even a government “overflowing with brains.”

Mikhail Bakunin 1872
Excerpted from On the International Workingmen’s Association and Karl Marx

TS

Asimov was brilliant, incredibly arrogant and, despite his insights in books such as the Foundation series, had a serious lack of understanding of the true gritty human nature. He saw it through his own self-centered lens. I would venture that he thought that everyone else, though in his eyes inferior to his intellect (which most were), had the same basic worldview. In much of his writing, and in this essay, he was fairly accurate with the tech stuff and the more superficial results, but he completely missed the mark on the inevitable abuses of that same tech by the depravities of basic human nature.
That nature is why we are where we are now. It is why Communism can’t work, it is why Capitalism has been perverted into a mere power/control struggle. Each, in its pure form, would work very well, but human nature just won’t let them be. That is why all human societal endeavors invariably collapse.
IMO, he was incredibly intelligent, but lacking in wisdom.

grace country pastor

Spot on.

flash
flash

Wonder if he could have predicted his his son would turn out to be a creepy producer of child porn and be protected by the the criminal Deep State sleazebag Robert Mueller?

“According to court documents obtained exclusively by this magazine, in 1998 as U.S. Attorney Robert Mueller let one of the most prolific child porn collectors of all time walk free with a $200 fine after his defense claimed he was depressed, drunk and high.”

https://www.dangerous.com/48192/robert-mueller-let-a-prolific-child-porn-collector-with-a-famous-dad-walk-free/

SmallerGovNow
SmallerGovNow

Isaac saw a much greater level of global cooperation than is currently in existence. He would today support things like the Paris Accord and others involving global cooperation and governance. I think however he (and other modern day leaders) underestimate the power of nature. Specifically the Second Law of Thermodynamics. IMO the world has reached maximum centralization and we’re about to head rapidly in the other direction. It may be a painful reversal depending on the speed in which it reverses but it’s coming. Prepare accordingly… Chip

Thunderbird
Thunderbird

“There will be an opportunity finally for every youngster and indeed, every person to learn, in his or her own time, at his or her own speed, at his or her own way.”

This is indeed a true statement, however, most have not yet developed a curiosity to take advantage of this opportunity.

In my opinion if people developed this curiosity our current social & political problems would melt away. It is our current educational system and it’s structure that is holding many back.

As for travel and development of our solar system I think the author is too optimistic due to his lack of knowledge about astrophysics. The vastness of the solar system is not in his consciousness.

Our own planet has much that is to be explored. Our space probes have discovered many worlds on the moons of other planets in our solar system and the world of Mars but our own planet with it’s biosphere and oceans is far more beautiful.

All in all his predictions are pretty much on target.

BB
BB

Thunder , there is no such thing as Outer space . The moon landings where fake . No rocket can break through the Firmament . Humans have never and never will go anywhere besides low Earth orbit. You got the Sun ,Moon and Stars inside the Firmament. Planets are wondering Stars who were named by pagans on behalf of their pagan gods which in reality are Demons. We ( including myself ) have been lied to about everything. Our own history is full of lies. For a while I felt like the biggest damn fool for believing these lies which are so obvious now. Anyway I hope you have a good day.

Rob157
Rob157

Thank God, the Earth is flat, the Universe revolves around it, and it really is the 5th century. Forever.
Blessed be the willfully ignorant.

grace country pastor

You sir are no fool. The terrain you crossed on your journey toward truth is made incredibly difficult by forces far more powerful than the vast majority even begin to consider.

The brainwashing is nearing completion. “Science” is the new religion; “scientists” the new priests.

May 2019 bring increased vigor and enjoyment to your studies.

2 Timothy 2:15 KJV… “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

Thunderbird
Thunderbird

@BB

Didn’t mention outer space only the solar system. You could be right about the firmament. But what is it’s depth? When I look up at the stars on a clear night I see a two dimensional flat surface painted with stars and nebula. And I see lots of movement in this flat picture.

Conversely on earth I can see a three dimensional picture around me expanding out about three miles. After that the picture becomes two dimensional. This is the limit of sensation of sight.

So according to our sight perception our world is flat and so is the firmament. But mathematics inform us differently.

So Genesis tells us there is a firmament of the heaven with lights in it. Jesus Christ says the Kingdom of Heaven is within us.

This begs the question? Is the firmament in us or separate from us; rather, outside of us? Isn’t our earth a mysterious place when we contemplate on it. Maybe the firmament is the limitation of our own physical brain and our intellect is the light of the moon and the stars while the Sun is God’s superior wisdom shinning down on our brain from the inside.

As an animal body in the biosphere of this planet we have our five physical senses to divine or guide us on this plane of existence. Our organism produces three separate functions that are produced by three different brains. These functions are thought, emotion and sensation.

Sensation stimulated by our five physical senses leads to perception to reasoning and because man as a higher animal form with an intellect, the reasoning leads to abstraction.

So the Bible in the literal translation of it’s words does not provide us with enough information to give us the entire picture of our creation. We need to read between the lines to extract the higher meaning of it’s words.

It is true we live in a world of lies. And the current notion among many that there is an outer firmament may be one such lie.

I too think the moon landings are a lie but not for the same reason as you. I think the Van Allen belt keeps us from going further than we can now go in lower earth orbit.

Man is currently a prisoner on this planet to serve this planet and it’s processes and growth. Our main function here is to procreate and keep the biosphere growing along with being food for it. Did you know that the life of the biosphere defies the second law of thermodynamics? It keeps growing rather than running down. Individual life runs down and dies but it is the opposite with the biosphere.

I would say that the firmament is within us. And the earth is our body. The world is within us.

The way out of the earth is transformation meaning perfecting our functions of thought, emotion and sensation. Then our purpose here will be revealed to us and used by the Will of God.

So our aim is to expand our level of consciousness using attention to expand it. As this happens we become more aware. We develop a mental body inside our earthly body. Who knows maybe even other bodies non-material ready for space travel.

grace country pastor

“We need to read between the lines to extract the higher meaning of it’s words.”

Therefore the “real” meaning of the Bible too is within “you”…

2 Peter 1:20 KJV… “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.”

How about we just let the Bible say what it means and mean what it says? I don’t trust you; or myself, to determine what God may or may not mean by what He says. He’s a more effective writer than anyone here.

As for the “kingdom of God being within you”… the King was standing in the midst of unbelieving Israel. Still they missed what had been WRITTEN since the beginning. Context, context, context. Read what comes before and after; who is speaking and to whom; when, where and for what reason.

John 5:39 KJV… “Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.”

Downvote away…

Thunderbird
Thunderbird

You have no doubt spent years studying the scriptures and have vast knowledge of them. But knowledge is not understanding.

You have exoteric knowledge of them but not esoteric understanding. Maybe someday you will make a break through.

grace country pastor

Thunderbird, I simply believe the words and move from there.

Romans 10:17 KJV… “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”

Many, perhaps even most consider my position foolish. Very well…

1 Corinthians 3:18-19 KJV… “Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.”

…my money is on the God of the King James Bible. I’m letting it ride till the end. When honestly considered it makes Perfect sense in every and all aspects of reality. Paul, nearing the end of his life writes to his son in the Lord Timothy:

2 Timothy 2:7 KJV… “Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.”

To understand the Bible fully, one must understand the mystery revealed to Paul. Have an outstanding new year!

Resigned 2 It
Resigned 2 It

Does thread hijacking fall under the commandments about stealing?

grace country pastor

I’m not under the law.

Maverick
Maverick

Curiosity and the idea of grokking are what are in shortest supply, hence precious when found. Children have a native curiosity but when you reach the gap between “easy” comprehension – the physical world, cause and effect, the arrow of time, life and death, the seasons, hunger and plenty, and any subject where you can learn the shape of the thing without having to learn too much of its underpinnings – and reach the gap into deep study and understanding, most kids shy away because of the effort involved. Things for which our bodies and minds are well suited, like reproduction, eating, hunting, gathering, socializing, and so on, are easy, and many people stop there. Many of the remaining venture into things that are mostly procedural, such as the trades, very useful but slow to change, hence a good return on the time needed to learn. And a very few people go deep and “meta” and can understand the whys and hows of systems and create new systems in which others can learn and thrive.

Public education used to know the difference between these types of people, and could tailor an approach to each. Universities were for the last group only; trade schools catered to the middle group, and the first group were released early – after 6th or 8th grade long ago – to make their lives. But the schoolmarms, few of whom could even begin to understand the third group, warped things over time, such that “college prep” took the place of everything, and going to college even when not warranted by capability is now the norm, which required colleges to become extended high schools, punctuated with a relative few doing the actual work that colleges were meant for. And for the last group of kids, capable of understanding so much but needing an environment in which they could truly learn – what Asimov was hoping for in this article – public education is as much a prison as the schools have come to look like, the system designed to break them mentally into insanity or into joining the second group out of despair.

This change had begun when Asimov wrote 35 years ago, but likely was not visible to him since it was only 15-20 years along at that time. His optimism assumed an education like he was able to get in the 30s and 40s and 50s from a system that had not yet been corrupted and transformed into its current form. The asteroid struck in the 60s in many dimensions, and incrementally we have entered a nadir of education in this country.

As to space travel and manufacturing? From the point of view of the successes of the 70s, looking forward to 2001: A Space Odyssey and venturing to the Moon, Mars, and Jupiter, his vision was right in line. Somewhere in the 80s the vision failed, mixed into the inward-looking Strategic Defense Initiative somewhere and then choked, and was dead by Asimov’s death in 1992; and the West turned inward to spend lots of effort on the computerization effort, culminating in those highest of results, creating apps for socially sharing tweets and pics. China has the ball now on space colonization, with maybe SpaceX following distantly and eventually if at all. They might even make it if they can maintain focus and not sit around tweeting each other all day.

Anonymous
Anonymous

space sex, hee hee.
i’m sure musk didn’t see that when he came up with and/or approved the name.

Maverick
Maverick

I dunno… like PoundMeToo (#MeToo), I think it’s all well-considered double entendre illuminating the deep desires of the originators. 🙂

pyrrhus
pyrrhus

Typical liberal claptrap, assuming all humans are equal, and tech heaven is beckoning…

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

The sex robots seem to be getting better and cheaper, but I’m still holding off for the time being.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Hey Issac, hows the weather down there?

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

I like his idea about beaming solar power via microwave from orbit. One hour of sunlight has the equivalent of one year of electrical generation. Sure seems worthy of a Manhattan Project style endeavor.

Maverick
Maverick

Jerry Pournelle advocated for such a Manhattan Project even to near the moment of his death. He and Asimov and others were not able to get the right funding or X-Project into place to give it a good try.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator

I had no idea there were so many batshit crazy tin-foil hat nutters that read this site.

The moon landings were fake, there is no outer space? Dafuq?

Hey moonbats– here is something you may not know. CHINA, yes that China, who has NO love for the US and has an aggressive space program of their own has sent modern satellites into moon orbit with very high powered optics / cameras. They have snapped photos in exquisitely high resolution OF THE AMERICAN LANDING SITES. The fucking rover and the landing gear of the lander are still there. I’m sure they’d announce that to the world as they are definitely in on an American conspiracy.

Or maybe their satellite was just parked over a Hollywood sound stage… you people are fucking mental.

Stucky

There only a FEW people here who don’t believe in the moon landing and only ONE person who thinks the earth is flat.

These people are NOT “fucking mental”!! They’re just ….. quirky …. like that pervert uncle in everyone’s family.

One of these people is a truck driver whose only source of pussy is his cat. Another one philosophizes everything to death and will write 500 words on what the meaning of “is” is. Yet another lives off the land and shoves his hand up bovine rectums. This is all true.

I used to argue with such folk bitterly and even called them nasty names from time to time. But, look, after a while you’ll get to love them despite their quirks, even as I now do.

Give ’em a chance, bro.

TampaRed
TampaRed

but they’re an influential few people,cross them at your own risk–

grace country pastor

2 people… and happy new year Stucky. Be blessed… ?

cz
cz

so at LEAST three flat earthers. there’s no curvature

Thunderbird
Thunderbird

Show pictures. Talk is cheap.

Anonymous
Anonymous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddFvjfvPnqk

here’s 60 pictures a second.

Sum Ting Wong
Sum Ting Wong

Apex, can you post photos? You know everyting you see?

Chinese lunar rover finds no evidence of American Moon landings

TampaRed
TampaRed

china stays silent about us not going to the moon because the chicom leaders have been caught on tape taking kids out of orphanages to turn ’em into peking duck —
it’s the dirty joos at the fed keeping the yellow man down,just as he does the white man here–

Apex Predator
Apex Predator

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings

I don’t have the time or inclination to do the mental heavy lifting for intellectual lightweights so that link is all your gonna get. You can easily Joogle everything you need to know.

Attempting to provide ‘evidence’ to moon bats is like attempting to apply logic and rational thinking to lefty shitlibs. A complete waste of time and effort. You are right, we didn’t go, there is no outer space. We all live in the Truman Show. No way to penetrate ‘The Firmament’.

I have to go commune with Xenu now, if you’ll excuse me…

Sum Ting Wong
Sum Ting Wong

Ha, ha. apex predator say wikipedia mental heavy lifting. wat dumshit.

Stucky

“Education, which must be revolutionized in the new world, will be revolutionized by the very agency that requires the revolution — the computer.”

Missed it by that much!! We’re actually getting Dumb and Dumber every year.

Example. Some big ass transformer blew up in NYC. It lit up the sky (for hours, apparently) in a hazy eerie blue color. So far, no big deal. But thousands of people called 9-1-1 …. many scared and frightened for their lives. Mayor DeBlowme even went on the radio to let people know that it was not an ALIEN invasion!! Picture in today’s (Sunday) NY Post show one such man (a Millennial) who thought it was possibly an alien invasion, and so he prepared for it by bringing out his …………. Samurai sword!! Yup, he thinks a fucken sword is gonna stop super-advanced beings who have mastered space travel!! Hilarious. A nation of stupidfuks we are.

EL Zorro
EL Zorro

Bullshit, Stuck. He-Man has a sword and always wins.

Thunderbird
Thunderbird

I’ve seen several big transformers blow up in my time as I have worked around them. Never seen anything like that errie blue light when it happened.

Something more is going on. No black out anywhere? The size of that explosion must have affected something. Not easy to replace that capacity in a few hours. Whats up?

Unnatural
Unnatural

Never seen anything like that errie blue light when it happened.

Something more is going on.

This occurred in Louisiana on the same day. The video is bizarre. It almost looks like blue beams projected from above.

https://www.wwltv.com/video/news/electrical-explosion-sparks-light-up-kenner-sky-for-minutes-thursday-morning/289-bcb08793-1d52-4d41-be4e-2376ffa9d519

cz
cz

i thought the most interesting part of the article was that isaac charged $1 a word.

Maverick
Maverick

Even more impressive since that was $1 in 1983 dollars, easily worth $7-10 these days.

TS

No doubt… I’d like to gimmee some o’ dat. But then, he wrote almost 300 books, most of them scientific text books, so he had some serious game in that area.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty

He clearly underestimated the power of global corporations, their control of most governments, and the intransigency of government and their hold on power. Of course education needs to improve, but thanks to government, teachers unions, and other vested interests (including millions of ignorant parents), it isn’t. Of course the labor market needs to change, people need to be more flexible, etc. but labor laws, government handouts, and entrenched labor unions and other players all harness the power of government to keep the status quo supported, even in the face of change.

Asimov may have been a visionary, but real vision requires freedom, and he clearly didn’t appreciate just how much MORE freedom (and wealth) would be lost to government and their cronies between 1984 and 2018.

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