William in California via Knuckledraggin
Watching Laura Ingraham’s show last night made me realize not only is there no voting our way out of this mess, we simply cannot coexist with the lunatic left in this nation any longer.
Laura’s segment with Dan Bongino and a radical Democrat strategist (Marguerite SomethingOrAnother) highlighted just how crazy the left has become, specifically in the wake of the Mueller report’s complete exoneration of the President on the made up charges of collusion and obstruction of justice. The strategist didn’t want to hear anything about President Trump’s innocence and continued to insist that not only was he guilty on all charges, but that he is an agent of Russia and a criminal. Bongino wiped the floor with her, citing fact after fact proving Trump’s innocence, to no avail. She like many on the left simply cannot be bothered to examine the facts.
The show was emblematic of how the left has treated the rest of the country over the last two years. The President is guilty, facts be damned, and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. Not only are they continuing to not accept the results of the 2016 Presidential election, the past 48 hours have shown they are not willing to accept the results of the Mueller report’s 100% exoneration of the President.
This situation is simply unsustainable and I believe similar to what Aesop, Bracken and CA have all written recently will result in the left pushing us into a hot civil war in the very near future. The left will continue to import illegals into this country, give them drivers licenses, and allow them to vote. There is no voting our way out of this mess.
I give it less than six months for a hot civil war to kick off. I don’t know what the trigger event will be, but whether it is the actual impeachment of the President or another James Hodgkinson-type attack from a leftist lunatic I believe that event will happen in the very near future. And it will be triggered by the leftists in this country who are bent on turning the USA into what Bracken has termed “Calizuela”. If you have not read Matt’s excellent essay on this topic at American Partisan I strongly encourage you to do so. Matt is right, I currently live in a blue county in “Calizuela” and the state has turned into a shithole in less than one generation.
I am 55 years old later this year, too old to fight, but I’d rather it be me fighting than my children who are in their early 20s. They don’t deserve the kind of hell on earth the leftist loons are pushing us to the very brink of. Buckle up, Patriots, I’m telling you Aesop, Bracken and Kurt Schlichter are all correct, we are a very short time away from a hot civil war kicking off in this country. May God help us all.
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Where did you read in the Mueller report that the president is completely exonerated?
Our president has a big problem reading a simple sentence and delivering an honest account-the same as the MSM.
We are all fucked and it isn’t the left or the right that’s doing the fucking. At some point we have to take responsibility for allowing this shit show to go on. I am tired of having wind blown up my ass by both sides of this utter dysfunction. When and if the SHTF, I will not take into account ones political party. In fact, people who call themselves left and right will be the people who I will deal with as a threat to my peace. Keep in mind, 48% of all eligible voters do not vote or play party politics and we are fucking pissed over what a few brainwashed partisan assholes have done to this country.
Thatt’s a specious argument. I could claim you raped 40 people in your youth. I could only contact 20 of your bed partners though. 18 said no, 2 said they cannot remember. So while I can’t say you raped others, I can’t exonerate you either. Our legals system is designed to stop exactly that sort of inane analysis. Guilty or not. Period
More BS. Our constitution was designed with checks and balances and here we all are being led by tyrants. So much for how shit is suppose to work and what is. Don’t preach to me how things are. You have no idea.
The constitution was written for, and will only work, with a moral population. It will not stand with an immoral people, which is where we are now. We are being hosed by both sides. I think we may be in some sort of matrix of our own doing.
I agree Brewer. The law must be written in the hearts and minds of the people, and not on a piece of paper. The left and the right are so mind fucked with hate they can’t even see the 48% that do not subscribe to either side of their shell game.
I don’t “hate” anybody friend. It’s strictly business.
No indictments = exoneration
Logically, a valid statement.
I’ll take a stab at that.
In the United States we have a long and storied tradition in jurisprudence that goes something like this; a man is innocent until proven guilty.
Did you catch that? It seems so simple, seven little words with so much import. If the authorities catch wind of a crime through whatever means they investigate that crime. If they find enough evidence they bring their findings to an officer of the court, like a prosecutor. He reviews those findings and if they warrant further action, a warrant for arrest is sworn and the defendant is brought before a judge to plead.
That’s the system, that’s how it works, there are no exceptions- so they say.
In this case there were allegations of a very speccific crime against a very specific defendant- Collusion with the government of Russia to swing the Presidential election of 2016 by Donald Trump. Nowhere in our system of law has there ever existed a condition by which an investigation may be launched against an individual without the accusation of a crime. By this we mean that at no time may any investigation simply target any individual to look for whatever they can find in their past to see if they can bring charges on any possible crime they might find. That’s Soviet style criminal justice. They prosecute people, not crimes. Here, in the West, we prosecute crimes, not people.
If there were no indictments presented and no recommendation for any indictments for any crime connected to collusion with Russia to overthrow the US 2016 Presidential election, do you know what that means?
Innocent.
Because this was political, because it was a corrupted investigation-charging myriad associates for crimes completely unconnected to the thrust of the investigation, none of which were in any way connected to the target (Trump) or the alleged crime (Collusion)- many people have been deliberately misled into believing that the mere stain of having an investigation directed at him (Trump) and charges being filed against associates equate to him being in some degree ‘guilty’.
Once more for thoe folks in the cheap seats.
No indictment, no recommendation of charges, no evidence of crime: exonerated. Innocent. Not guilty.
What he said “…it also does not exonerate him…” is not a legal standard. No investigation in the history of the United States has ever had as it’s goal the exoneration of the target. That sentence could be added to the final report of every human being who ever was investigated without charges being filed because it has never been the purpose of any investigative body to do so. Additionally, it has never in the history of the USA ever been a standard by which we determine guilt or innocence. It was a personal opinion of a partisan investigator who failed to find anything over the course of the two year investigation and who wanted to give a parting shot both to his target, and to his supporters in the political opposition who were counting on him finding something, anything to undermine the President.
I don’t care for Trump and I think he shafted his supporters by doing nothing he promised, but that’s not a crime. It ought to be, but it isn’t. I don’t have a dog in this hunt, but I am also familiar enough with our legal system not to sit on the sidelines and watch ignoramuses spout off on things as if they reflected reality.
A failure to file charges or indict for the crimes that were investigated is a de facto exoneration by any standard of Constitutional law.
Yeah, the law is an either or proposition (guilty or not), but then there is realty. How many people sitting in jail that are innocent as a consequence of being forced to arrive at a verdict? How many guilty people are free? Just as party politics traps people into a world of limited choice, so too the law. The law simply cannot admit a verdict cannot be reached and leave the question open, which would reflect the truth. Uncertainty is a reality.
That wasn’t the issue.
The issue was the claim that a failure to indict did not equate to an exoneration. That is false in the legal sense. We all exist in a blameless state, innocent in the eyes of the law until certain markers are met. No human being is “innocent” in life, we all break laws and we remain free because the flip side would be that everyone is guilty until they can demonstrate their innocence.
You want to live in that world?
Reality rules and not the opinions of men. Man made laws do not save us. The law condemns us all. Reality is a different matter. You say that all people are naturally guilty. That is an opinion not a reality. In this world only might makes right. behind every court is a gun. That is the reality. Fuck the laws of men. So, which world do you want to live in idealistic or reality?
I tried but I am unable to fathom your logic.
Good luck.
What’s so hard to understand? The might makes right part or that the law is an idealistic fantasy that believes via its own opinion it is fair and moral? First of all, I have to deal with reality because I have no choice. Look at nature. Its a horror show of all sorts of immorality, and by every measure only the strong and mighty win the battles. We have to kill in order to eat and live another day. Am I happy about it? No! But I have no choice. I have to accept my circumstance, but that doesn’t mean I have to call it moral and righteous.
God is ALMIGHTY first, and through that might he claims righteousness. Not the other way around.
The courts are not immune from reality. Their laws must be violently enforced otherwise no one will respect their opinion and tell them all to go fuck themselves.
So, in the end, we are not talking about justice, righteousness, fairness, and morality. We are talking about having someones opinion of us violently forced down our throats. Thus, guilty isn’t even a question. Righteousness is a fools game. Morality is a bad joke. Now go kill something and eat it so you can live another day and spout off your righteous moral opinion of me and my logic.
Here we have an article that is talking about killing one another in order to make the world right again. What part of what I said do you not understand?
A butcher kills a cow and you eat it. In a court of law who is responsible for the death?
Your premise is based on multiple logical fallacies and cognitive biases.
Two examples are the logical fallacy of Appeal to Nature and the cognitive bias known as the Just World Bias.
Black and White fallacy is also used – only two worlds exist to you, “idealisitc or reality”.
There are many more.
You also self-contradict multiple times. For one, laws banning murder (for example) are not something “no one will respect without violent enforcement”. The vast majority respect the premise and laws without any enforcement at all because murder violates natural and property rights, along with self interest.
This is directed at Anonymous, not HSF.
There is no such thing as just a guy, it sounds as if you are apologizing for the rest of us guys. None of us guys are average or below average, we are awesome, masculine as all heck and super smart to the point of always being right, always. If you don’t believe me, ask me.
No apologies. I figured it was as good an anonymous screen name as any other, but I guess one can always read into any screen name.
And of course we are always right – we are guys!
Okay, I’ll ask:
Does your position apply just to 2 legged varmits or can the 4 legged variety also play here?
If 4, what position is the tail supposed to be in?
“Black and White fallacy is also used”
No. I did not use black and white fallacy. However, your friend did when he argued that one is either guilty or innocent. I argued for uncertainty or inconclusiveness, which the law has no way of dealing with. Yet, uncertainty is a reality we all face continually. Try reading and if you don’t understand , then ask for clarification, and I’ll be happy to provide an explanation in language I think you will grasp.
As a consequence of the laws inability to deal with uncertainty, many people are in jail that shouldn’t be there and many people are free who should be in jail. That my friend is an injustice.
Laws that are not enforced are not laws. Just hot air. If laws did not need to be enforced, then we would all be voluntarily standing in line at the prison gate.
Please, logical fallacies and cognitive bias. Reality isn’t logical. It just is. We can sit face to face and argue endless over which side of the room is true left and true right. In the end there is no such thing as left and right. But we will kill each other over who is correct or accept that reality does not agree with our idea’s.
Are you claiming that logical fallacies and cognitive bias are invalid concepts?
Also, your comment contains logical fallacies and cognitive bias again. If you claim them to be invalid, why would you need to use them in your illogical-reality or claim them invalid?
Also, your left-right example is called Strawman.
No. They are valid concepts, but only in terms of there subjective value. Objectively they are meaningless. Try to understand. There are 2 sets of laws. Reality and man made. Reality trumps everything.
My left and right example points out that our subjective concepts (ideas/Ideals/laws/morals/sense of fairness/ righteousness/etc). are self serving and have nothing to do with the objective truth. It is not a straw man argument. In fact , science has built a theory around the problem and they call it relativity.
To bring this full circle, Mueller report did not find Trump guilty or not guilty, which showed he had an appreciation for the reality of uncertainty. He could not come to any conclusion one way or the other. In no way did he fully exonerate Trump, as he explicitly wrote. For Mueller, the cat was both dead and alive.
However, as your dear friend explained, the law does not provide room for uncertainty. Rather, the law wants a verdict regardless of the uncertainty.
I found Mueller’s report to be more in line with the truth. There are some things that we cannot get to the bottom of, such as my left and right argument. At some point one has to accept the inconclusiveness or lie. I say lie, because if you really don’t know and then say you do, you are a liar.
A rush to judgement is never a good thing.
Actually, I thought Mueller’s inconclusiveness was too kind, because of this….
“This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump,” Goldstone wrote in the email to Trump Jr.
“If it’s what you say I love it,” Trump Jr. replied, according to the email he released.
If Don Jr was being offered child sex instead of information and he showed up to the arranged meeting they would have arrested him immediately. Why?
You said, “Objectively they are meaningless” referring to logical fallacies and cognitive bias. How can that statement be made without the use of logic?
Contradictions again. There is NO OBJECTIVITY according to your earlier comments. You claimed that only might makes right from the barrel of a gun. You claimed objectivity or logic are non-existent.
You then quote Goldstone above. How is that not using logic, when your own statements claim logic is non-existent? To quote someone and put together a string of thoughts based upon that quote IS the use of logic. Why do you get to use logic but tell others they can’t because it doesn’t exist?
Also, the law actually provides room for uncertainty all the time, despite your claims above (which are, again, based upon a chain of logic). In fact, the very premise that HSF pointed out is solidly based on uncertainty: “A man is innocent until prove guilty”.
Can you explain how a cat can be both dead and alive using logic? Can you even picture it in your mind? Nevertheless, it is an objective reality, and science can logically take one to the doorstep and point to the evidence, but it cannot describe it in terms that will open ones mind up so wide that one can imagine a cat that is dead and alive.
You seem to think that logic is the end all means to the truth. You are so misinformed…here….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchhausen_trilemma
The cat thing is a red herring fallacy, but I could envision it based upon an understanding of scientific-logic of quantum reality variances.
I don’t “seem to think logic is the end all means to truth”. You made that claim – not me. You also said,verbatim: “Reality isn’t logical. It just is.” In that case, the “truth” you referred to can’t exist because you don’t believe reality follows any logic.
What I seem to think, based upon your own comments and thoughts, is that you contradict yourself a lot. You also use a lot of logical fallacies, and show major cognitive bias, in your comments.
“In fact, the very premise that HSF pointed out is solidly based on uncertainty: “A man is innocent until prove guilty”.
How can you say a man is innocent if it is uncertain?
Rather, a mans innocence cannot be determined until proven guilty, and if you read the essay I provided and understand it, you will come to realize you can’t prove anything conclusively-logically or mathematically.
Didn’t you ever read Gödel’s incompleteness theorems in school or out of curiosity ?
Anonymous has a point.
Disagree. Look who he’s arguing with…one of the sharpest regular contributors on TBP.
While hiding behind anonymity.
Look at the vote counts.
Frankly, he’s acting like a dick, and insulting his argument foe, and the intelligence of other readers.
Farmer cleaned his clock in that point-counterpoint exchange above.
Some around here stick up for the underclassed after a shitstorm and an avalanche of downvotes.
And 1 or 2 defend them repeatedly. Pattern?
There’s some disrespectful bitching going on here, and the loser clearly has the weaker argument, even if notable points made.
Disagreement is tolerated, but there are limits.
Would be interesting to hear from other respected big dogs about the viewpoints stated above.
I, in no way disrespectful HSF. All I’m saying is anonymous has a point in that all power comes from the barrel of a gun. At least eventually. He’s just saying it in a different way.
Of course HSF is constitutionally correct.
Stop crying.
Your friend is arguing ideas. I’m arguing reality. 2 different laws but reality is supremely the winner every time. Logic does not apply. Justice does not apply. Fairness does not apply. Morality does not apply. The laws that your friend has a good grasp of do not apply because such laws are inventions of idealism. If they were laws of reality, then we wouldn’t have to lift a finger to enforce them-like the law of gravity.
But lets just take these ideals and put them to the test of human logic. Explain how one force another to be free? If one must enforce freedom then that is not freedom. That’s enforcement-might makes right.
It’s all circular logic. A merry go round of non sense. Flawed people governing flawed people. What could go wrong?
Nature keeps it simple. Might makes right. End of story.
How embarrassing for you that you can’t think for yourself and have to count votes to see which side you are on. No disrespect to the person I was arguing with, but you sir are hopeless.
This one is called ad hominem.
I have not seen one comment from you to this point that does not involve the use of logical fallacies and cognitive bias.
And you weren’t arguing with anyone.
Creating an argument requires the use of logic to form a train of thoughts and present a premise. You can’t do that because you have claimed multiple times that logic does not exist.
I ask again: Why do you get to use logic in a format you like when you like, but it is banned into non-existence (in your mind) if anyone else uses it?
“You can’t do that because you have claimed multiple times that logic does not exist.”
You keep trying to put words into my mouth or you are completely lost. I never said that logic does not exist-ever. Rather, what I said was it doesn’t apply.
I have not seen one comment from you that indicates you know what a logical fallacy is or cognitive bias, but if you really want to know just look in the mirror. As I said you are hopeless. I’m done here.
No words put into your mouth, but I will quote you again:
“Reality isn’t logical. It just is.”
Logic is a subset of reality. If reality is not logical, then logic does not exist by default. If you meant otherwise, it was unclearly expressed.
Ending with more ad hominem:
“As I said you are hopeless.”
Well, have a good one. I appreciate you taking your time to respond as much as you did.
Prove your statement. While you are thinking about what to offer as proof, try doing this simple math problem and explain to me why the answer is false. Take the number 1 and divide it by 3. Now take the result and multiply it by 3. How come the answer of the multiplication problem is not 1? If I divide a number and then multiply it by the same amount I should end up, in this case back to the number 1. That is logical
1 / 3 = .333
.333 x 3 =.999
What happen to the logic? How come I end up with pure mind fuckery?
Good explanation. This is why the freakin’ purposed Red Flag laws have me tied in knots. It is Soviet style is prosecution of the person, not the crime.
We have, as a nation, got to be the dumbest SOB’s that ever existed on planet Earth. Two years and $25+ million deciding whether Trump was in collusion with the Russians to affect the 2016 elections.
Bull fuckin shit. We as a nation have been fucking with elections in almost every country in the world for years including assasinations when someone of our choosing didn’t get elected. Give me a fucking break.
Troll? All I have to say is, put President Trumps accomplishments and record next to the prior presidents record and accomplishments. res ipsa loquitur
Sorry, but the Latin compels me…
…” this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime..”
ie: “The President did not commit a crime.”
Had a crime been committed, that would have been the conclusion.
Exonerate: ‘To state that someone has not done something wrong or illegal’
They all answer to the same man behind the curtain.
Robert (QSLV)
That pretty much covers it Robert.
Chaos is more likely than civil war. There is no geographical dividing line available to choose sides from, and divided families will not go to physical war with one another. I expect a purge, with no ideological consistency to allow for battle lines of any kind.
Battle lines could certainly develope if it went on long enough. All one has to do to realize that is to look at any city and how it is divided between the classes. Some places are distinctly divided by race even.
I went looking for the Calizuela article and couldn’t locate it. Help? Which contributor?
http://www.american-partisan.com/
https://www.americanpartisan.org/2019/01/covington-gives-a-glimpse-of-civil-war-two/
AWESOME!!! Chip
55 is not too old to start working out. Lift heavy weights for bulking up or do cardio and lift lighter weights for endurance. If you have $$, stock up on ammo.
If you are older, you might as well take steroids. It can be done safely and you would be amazed at how your body will transform in a short amount of time.
As an aside: I’ll be going to the gun show in Chantilly Va. April 12th weekend. Anybody want to meet up?
I’m 58, in good shape for my age. The problem with heavy weights at my age is the JOINTS. Too much repetitive motion and wear and tear over almost six decades make too much working out problematic. I still lift and use rubber bands but not heavy resistance like I did when I was younger. Best to seek out a good balance of resistance training and walking IMO… Chip
Chip- steroids.
In the first War Between The States there were plenty of fifty years old fighting on both sides.
General Robert E Lee was fifty-four when the war broke out.
He slept in a tent and ate the same rations as the troops, riding around on Traveller, killing “Those People” as he called them. Know of at least two major battles where he was restrained from personally leading the counter-attack.
An older person would be good for sniping, not in any hurry.
Give “The Barbell Prescription” by Mark Rippetoe a read. No reason you can’t lift heavy well into your later years barring a chronic injury or infirmity. I am 60 and been following that prescription for a couple of years now, and quite frankly I feel great and am lifting almost as much as when I was in my 20’s. After 30 years getting knocked around as an infantryman and paratrooper, if I can still do it, most folks can.
DB – What type of steroids would you recommend? Where and how to get them? How to use them safely?
DRUD,
Join a gym, make friends. Steroids are easy to get.
Research how to use them correctly.
Wipper, it turns out that testosterone creams can cause cancer. Otherwise, the lower T and lack of exercise is what causes loss of muscle mass.
The potential for a hot civil war is very possible . I agree what event or series of events will trigger civil war is unknown to any fair minded individual .
However I have little doubt government insiders and their militarized badge wearing minions are itching to use that feckless term “Just doing my job” !
Remember FEMA and HSA , TSA along with a series of other alphabet paracites agencies have purchased enough ammunition to kill everyone in the nation more than 10 times over . Why would they need such a stockpile while nationwide government wonks at all levels are feverishly working to restrict , control and confiscate weapons and ammunition from otherwise law abiding tax paying citizens why ?
Something is in the wind , look at food distribution , power and water these are all things governments have used to control their populations into submission . Yes I do believe our so called badge wearing armed protectors will fire on us with impunity when ordered . Remember “THEY” don’t give a fuck about you , your family and their well-being ! They do care about taxing you into poverty so their 20 and out retirement at 50 stays in place ! Should that put you in the street starving remember their Nuremberg excuse : “I was just doing my job”!
Such impunity will die quickly after a few house calls.
I agree Credit.I would also say this insanity hits do not fight on their fields of choice,perhaps shoot one of the govt. killers as getting out of car at home from work,they are out shopping ect.I would also say use whatever your job is to gum up the works if possible,you work at the power plant/traffic control ect. you can easily throw a monkey wrench into the system.
I would also say no matter your age you are not too old to fight things go bad.Everyone is not in shape physically/mentally to be the tip of the spear but the spear needs folks behind it to work.You need,get a bipod/shooting stick for your rifle,use a window ledge if necc. though prefer being far back from window on a rest/you can also cook for fighters/care medically/give em cache spots/supply info./spread disinfo., the list is endless on how to help in life threatening times,do not sell yourself out short due to age or any barrier that will not allow you to be the spear point,you can still help.
I was hanging out with a friend yesterday, haven’t hung out for over a year, anyway he tells me that Trump is guilty as sin. I just kept my thoughts to myself, I looked at him in complete astonishment, thinking what the hell is going on. Then he started to talk about AOC, at this point I’m done, all I’m thinking is how do I get out of here. I made up some stuff about loads of work that needed done, I bowed out before noon.
This guy is educated, well read, one of the best carpenters I’ve ever met, great Dad and a great friend. I’ll be honest with you here, this is starting to get a little scary. The brainwashing is getting out of control. I’m deeply concerned about the ones I don’t know.
Carry on and armed up, doubling down if you will…..
“I’ll be honest with you here, this is starting to get a little scary.”
The real battle is far bigger than most imagine. Few are properly prepared. That is scary.
Ephesians 6:12 KJB… “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places .”
“The brainwashing is getting out of control.”
Revelation 12:9 KJB… “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
Deception about literally everything abounds. Why do even most professing Christians hate the King James Bible? What is it about that book?
GCP
Nicely explained, I’ve read the words before and really didn’t understand them until now. We’re actually seeing it play out in real time, now that is scary.
Isn’t there something in that book about your brothers, sisters and friends not on the same page. I know I miss quoted that badly.
Anyways that’s the way it seems today.
StackingStock, the most important page to be on is salvation. My first question then must always be is your friend saved? If not, it’s not possible for him to understand fully the predicament he and the rest of the world is in.
As this is first and foremost a spiritual battle, people must have the ability to discern spiritual truth from untruth. The heart of the issue.
1 Corinthians 2:14 KJB… “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
The “natural” man here is unsaved man. Speak with him about eternal things and see where he is. Political reality (liberty) will “naturally” follow eternal truth.
If we all realized that none of us were any good we’d all get along far better. Humanity is so completely divided by the good guy vs. bad guy mentality that war is the only likely outcome.
grace and peace…
It seems the more suffix’s a person has after their name the greater the possibility they consumed to much cool-aid. I would like to see how anyone of them felt after they had a true dose of “reality”. It is not always a cure but, it is a good start in my opinion. This is if you can afford to have them around you at that moment.
I’m more than 70 and if it comes to that I’ve got a target rich environment: just aim toward the lake and I’m sure to hit a leftist/commie/pig.
“Donald Trump has been very good for baseball.” ~Ted Koppel
Moral: If you’re cornered by a mad dog don’t try to pet it; bash its skull in
with anything you can get your hands on.
From Survivalblog…
The folks at Palmetto State Armory (PSA) are running a short-term special: 1,000 rounds of Federal 5.56mm NATO ball ammo and 10 MagPul 30-round PMAGs, with free shipping for $350 (or just $299 after Federal’s rebate.) At the PSA web site, put “SKU#KIT-0293” in their search box. Such a deal!
Donkey,they have had the pmags regularly at about 8 a piece shipping included,BLOAT!
I was bummed that FN seems to no longer make their barrels,not sure how their uppers are now but a few years back the ones I came across worked very well at a reasonable price.
You Tube evals of PSA ain’t so good. There are plenty of em’
Steve,have heard good and bad across the net last few years.They are now doing all work “in house” it seems on their rifles/uppers ect.I have read that their AK they put out is very nice according to reviews/videos I have seen.I have used as stated some of their older stuff when FN was a barrel supplier to them and seemed very functional.I do wish em the best as they do seem to have good deals(pmags a example)and when dealt with in the past the customer service seemed to give a damn.
They have also put out a 6.5/perhaps 6.8 can’t remember that got good reviews,a bolt action with a esoteric cartridge,not for all but you have the basics and are interested in new cartridges seemed interesting.
I have lived in a socialist country. Nothing about it will make people pick up arms and fight free shit from the gov. Will people wake up when they are told to surrender guns? Apathy is so large I just see the average person doing nothing. Does anyone picture lefty leaders being run out of town? tared and feathered? Killed in mass by hundreds of ex-military snipers with nothing to do? I don’t get their thinking and think they are a plague upon the country. They sure are retarded when it comes to money.
A quick check of stats shows 500-900(?) thousand Fed, State and local LEOs, ans 43-55 MILLION HOUSEHOLDS (not individuals!) that have firearms. Even including LEOs in that, which they undoubtedly are, those are TERRIBLE odds in the event of catastrophic civil unrest. Throw in the (questionable) loyalty of the local officers and veterans to government and how they would respond to threats to family/property, and you still have unfathomable results if TPTB call the citizens hand.
Yes, they have control of coms, infastructure and supply, but here in upper Appalachia, like much of the non-coastal territory, we have local knowledge and folks who regularly kill (deer) from concealment at distance. The attrition rate would be unsustainable for AGWs.
Anon,feel the control of comms/infrastructure and supply short lived in a real hit the fan scenario.A lot of citizens working on that end and only takes one to gum up the works.I do also feel the msm is on a lot of “accountability “lists across the country.Sucks to even have to think that way but tis reality.
Jussie Smollett-completely and totally “Exonerated”.
“It’s a witch hunt”-Trump
“It was a complete and total exoneration”-Trump
I have been pushing for a complete and total dissolution of the federal government and the “united” States for a long time. Of COURSE we can no longer live together. It is hard enough to live around folks with a different mind set on life, but when government becomes powerful enough to steal money, destroy rights, destroy freedom, destroy property rights, etc. on behalf of one over the other, then the government MUST GO. EVERY problem in our society, whether it be medical freedom, destruction of the purchasing power of the money, massive debt, employment issues, housing issues, etc. comes back to the power of the federal, state, and local governments over us all, and the employment of this power on behalf of those who control the government through their money, their connections, their threats of violence (Deep State), or other. Voting is NOT going to fix this problem – unless a nationwide initiative to dissolve the nation is put before the voters, but, like Brexit and Trump’s election, we already know how that will go, regardless of the votes of Americans.
One assumes we lived together. If that were true there would be no little Italy, China town, Hell’s kitchen. We simply tolerated each other or stayed clear. But to assume we were all on the same page is nonsense and political propaganda. Only when we are forced into a war do we fall in line, but that will only last as long as our collective survival depends upon it. Otherwise, its back to our kin and comfort zones we go.
Government is and will always be antithetical to ones freedom. It immediately creates a 2 tier class of people-the leaders and the led. Thus government does not unit us or insure freedom. Absolutely the opposite is true.
Moreover, history repeats itself because we are trapped in the circular logic of thinking flawed people can lead flawed people. A man with one leg cannot step on his toes and one cannot grab their own hair and pull them self and the horse they are sitting on out of the swamp.
You have reiterated my point. We tolerated each other so long as government wasn’t powerful enough to screw one group for the benefit of the other. Those days are long past, and the elements of our existence that are now being impacted get right to the core of our very being. Little Italy, etc. functioned well because people came together in the world of commerce, but remained separate in their private and community lives. That is the beauty of free commerce. But of course that too is being destroyed as we are being forced to sell to whomever, forced to rent to whomever, forced to use gender terms that are not consistent with reality (or face criminal penalties), etc.
I love you, Mr. Liberty. And that ain’t gay.
The constitution is paper theory. In practice, it fails because none of it agrees with the reality at hand. If it did describe the reality at hand, most people would reject it, because reality is a very harsh and unwelcoming place that most could not deal with. Reality is not just, moral or fair. It could care less if one lives or dies. The only thing reality respects is strength and as soon as one shows weakness, reality will take one out in less than a heart beat.
Ultimately, it is reality that is our enemy, and consequentially we form into groups to increase our chances of surviving whatever reality throws at us. However, when the chips are down it all reverts back to every man for himself. There is no one on my side except me.
So in order to form such groups we need to create laws that are contrary to our real nature, a nature which puts our personal survival as the paramount goal, rather than the group think ideals. This will work as long as the fear of not being able to survive outside the group persists or the group itself becomes hostile to ones personal survival. Since most people have been acclimated to being taken care of by the group think, most haven’t a clue how to survive outside of the comforts of the group thinkers. Therefore, most will tolerate many things until the security of the group thinkers becomes so problematic that they can no longer contain their true nature.
There won’t be a 2 sided civil war. There will be many fronts. Many groups. It will be sloppy, chaotic, and ugly.
If Don Jr was being offered child sex instead of information and he showed up to the arranged meeting they would have arrested him immediately. Why?
Author mentions Matt Bracken, who’s commentary I find to be strongly persuasive. I catch clips of him from the Alex Jone’s show sometimes, pretty much the only reason to watch Alex as far as I’m concerned is when Bracken is on. His comments on Calizuela and how things are progressing are spot on. His book series is pretty good as well.
The can’t coexist statement is scary but pretty true for sure at this point. How does one coexist with people that despise and hate everything about America, the founding document to them is mostly a list of things they would like to destroy. The bill of rights has been eroding for a long while already. In many big cities and college campuses we already have the heckler’s veto, with all the intimidation/violence and threats from the leftists thrown at the small sliver of non-commies left.
We have schools pushing “diversity” manifesto’s that read more like a hate list and anti-1st ammendment documents. I do disagree that 6months that wheels fall off. I think most countries go down in a series of tipping points, and the most likely next tension point clearly is the 2020 election year, not this year. It’s a sad state of affairs, and have zero hope for my child growing up in this shit. But still I see the country turning more and more into “no go zones” which is already happening. Avoiding certain cities and areas as they become full throated commie-sanctuary shitholes and intimidate anyone with violence or destruction of their jobs or businesses. We already have small patches of these areas in cities and have for a long time, but now its well on the way to be national. Don’t see anyway to reconcile difference with socialist-commies, they want power and will use violence to make you believe as they do, or snuff you out eventually. Best hope is the gov’t isn’t completely controlled by them, b/c then all bets are off.
Bullshit to a “hot” civil war. There is no appetite or plan in this nation by any significant group to seize and hold territory under political leadership independent of the existing system by force of arms. No one plotting to take a city, or occupy a statehouse, or fail to repel either.
When and if there is some real resistance to the soft civil war that IS underway, it will be pretty obvious that it is coming. Right now, it is not coming, not at all. Things will have to be a lot worser for a lot longer before anything hot breaks out.
Black-on-black urban violence does not count as a civil war. Cities might get sort of hot, but it is not any sort of attempt to separate politically. Nothing but destructive vandalism. The nation could (and might) get along just fine if we abandoned the wrecked cities to the black people for a while. Air drop a bunch of cheap handguns and ammo, give it a few weeks to work out, and see who is left standing. Ugly, but effective.
+100 Brian.
They arleady seem to have cheap handguns and ammo in our local city, and it has less than 100k people. Last estimates I saw was that at least 1,000 people were gang affiliated, from teens on up. Latino gangs also exist in our local city as well, its certainly not just blacks. There are less than 180 cops in the city, and a decent portion of those have desk jobs and such, not active patrol cops. My 6yrs living in the city made me want steel security doors wherever I live. Just too many people have their doors kicked in, far too easily. I didn’t live in the “bad” areas either, and fortunately they were small and quick to drive through–unlike places like Philly or Chicago.
I agree that’s just gang violence and has little to do with anything “civil war”. Oddly enough it seems the latino gangs and black gangs have mostly left eachother alone, you just don’t see the extreme gang violence vs. different racial groups like you did in the 90’s when the gang violence was epic.
The left and the right think that they are the end all opinion in this country. 48% do not vote. That means that the left and the right come in around 25% each. If they want to go at each other let them kill each other. this country will be better off without them. I really wish they would shit or get off the pot.
No question, liberals are dildos.
Nothing but happy thoughts from this OP.
Thank you.
BTW… how many times in the past were you presented with an actual opportunity to seize back your freedoms?
I am not talking about praying and sniveling and hoping Jesus will float down and save us.
I am not talking about presidential, congressional or senatorial choices in voting.
I am talking about seizing your freedom as did our forefathers did in the revolutionary war.
So rejoice when the opportunity is presented to you all.
Do not be the ones to instigate it, but be the ones who finish it.
Remember that the patriots on Lexington Green did not fire the first volley.
Just remember what happened afterwards and who wound up on top.
I hate to say it but you are probably right.