Guest Post by Caitlin Johnstone
President Trump has yet again advanced an evil longstanding agenda of America’s depraved intelligence and defense agencies, so as usual the QAnon cult is out in force telling everyone not to worry because this is all part of the plan. Ever since WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange was slammed by Trump’s Justice Department with a mountain of espionage charges carrying a possible sentence of 175 years in prison, QAnon acolytes have been showing up in my social media mentions with screenshots of a new post from the mysterious 8chan anon assuring us all that Assange is actually being protected by Trump.
The post reads in the typical QAnon cryptic word salad style that its adherents often annoyingly imitate when normal people try to engage them in an adult conversation:
“Under protection.
Threat is real.
Key to DNC ‘source’ ‘hack’ ‘187’.
Q”
I find this subject very tedious, and my regular readers aren’t generally the types to fall for this sort of toxic propaganda construct, but I’m putting this information out there anyway as a public service since many people are being deluded by it.
If you’re one of those fortunate enough to be unfamiliar with the QAnon phenomenon, in October of 2017 odd posts began appearing on the anonymous message board 4chan, which is wildly popular with trolls, incels and racists. Those posts ceased appearing on 4chan and moved to a related site, 8chan, where they continue appearing to this day. The poster purports to have insider knowledge of a secret, silent and invisible war that President Trump has been waging against the Deep State with the help of the US military and various “white hats” within the US government, and shares snippets about this war with 8chan users in extremely vague and garbled posts.
Here are three reasons you can be absolutely, 100 percent certain that it’s bullshit:
1. It always, always, always excuses Trump’s facilitation of evil deep state agendas.
I don’t generally use the term “deep state” anymore, mainly because its proper meaning has been distorted by right-wingers and Qultists to mean basically “Democrats and Never-Trumpers”, and by mainstream liberals to mean something like “a right-wing conspiracy theory about a secretive cabal of Jews who rule the world”. But originally the term simply referred to a concept used for political analysis to describe the undeniable fact that plutocrats and intelligence/defense agencies tend to form relationships with each other in a way that persists amid the comings and goings of the official elected government.
This alliance has certain agendas that it has consistently pushed for, many of them involving the advancement of wars which financially benefit the plutocrats and which secure geostrategic dominance for the intelligence/defence agencies. Trump has been advancing these longstanding agendas with his administration’s regime change interventionism against Iran and Venezuela, world-threatening new cold war escalations against Russia, military expansionism, continuing and expanding of all of Bushbama’s warmongering and Orwellian surveillance programs, the campaign to destroy WikiLeaks and imprison Julian Assange for life, and many other actions which benefit the agenda of global hegemony and the profit margins of war plutocrats.
Trump Supporters Are Hurting Assange With Their 4-D Chess Talk
"This is a time where everyone who supports WikiLeaks should be flooring the gas pedal, and this 'Don’t do anything, trust the plan, wait and see' rhetoric is keeping one foot on the brakes."https://t.co/RgtTCc3Dnl
— Caitlin Johnstone ⏳ (@caitoz) April 13, 2019
Every single time Trump advances one of these depraved agendas and I speak out against it, I begin getting angry social media responses from QAnon cultists telling me to calm down and relax, that this is all part of the plan, and that Trump is actually doing the exact opposite of what he appears to be doing. And when I say “every single time”, I mean exactly that, without a single, solitary exception.
QAnon cultists do this every single time because they have been propagandized into doing so, both by the 8chan anon they follow and by the herd mentality of the community that it has fostered. They begin with the baseless premise that Trump is a righteous warrior against corruption, conclude that everything he does must therefore be a righteous maneuver against Deep State corruption, then apply their hive mind to coming up with reasons to believe this. Then they show up in my mentions telling me I’m crazy for believing Trump is doing the things that he is very plainly and obviously doing.
Virtually every week during the #Unity4J vigils, we discuss the harmful effect of #Qanon & similar narratives re: holding @realDonaldTrump accountable for his horrendous treatment of both @xychelsea and #JulianAssange. We ask our guests how they feel we can combat this harm.
— Elizabeth Lea Vos (@ElizabethleaVos) May 26, 2019
I've lost count of amount of #MAGA & #QAnon bots in last 48hrs who think Assange indictment/extradition is secret 5D chess move by #Trump to prove 2016 DNC emails were leak. Besides fact it's already proved(Binney,VIPS) it shows we're dealing w/#Cult that's stripped all agency.
— Patrick Henningsen (@21WIRE) May 25, 2019
You don’t need to take my word for this. As of this writing right now you can go to the Twitter search bar and type in the words “Assange” and “QAnon” and you’ll get a bunch of posts explaining that Assange is “under protection”, and that imprisoning a longtime target of the CIA and the Pentagon is actually a devastating blow to the Deep State. You can continue to repeat this exact same experiment every single time Trump advances a disgusting warmongering deep state agenda, and every single time you’ll get the exact same results.
This to me is reason enough to be absolutely certain that QAnon and the credulous cult which has sprouted up around it is crap. US presidents are reliably corrupt warmongers and CIA cronies, so the current president acting like one is not surprising or extraordinary. Trying to justify a US president doing the sort of thing that all US presidents always do as a total deviation from the norm for US presidents would be a ridiculous thing to do even one time. Doing it every single time is fully discrediting.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you could maybe be excused if you mistook it for a rabbit after one quick glance, but continuing to stare directly at a duck and saying “Yeah that’s definitely a rabbit, look at the long ears” over an extended period of time would mean you’re a bullshitter.
2. They always, always, always refuse to prove the validity of their position.
Thinking of writing an article about #Qanon, which I personally believe is an establishment psyop designed to lull the antiwar right into complacency at a time of escalating war agendas. I have an open mind though; show me your very best link or screenshot showing that Q is real.
— Caitlin Johnstone ⏳ (@caitoz) April 15, 2018
A year ago I tweeted out that I was thinking of writing an article about QAnon and asked its adherents for their very best links/screenshots proving its legitimacy. Go ahead and have a read of the kinds of responses I got by clicking this hyperlink if you’re curious. No one came remotely close to providing anything like the evidence I’d asked for, with most responses falling along the lines of “You kind of have to just immerse yourself in it over an extended period of time and marinate in it until you believe,” which is the same sort of response you’ll get if you ask a religious proselytizer to prove the legitimacy of their religion. I shared the thread again yesterday and got the same response, with one QAnon promoter with a fairly large following telling me, “No amount of evidence can be seen by one choosing to stay blind.”
This is completely different from standard conspiracy theories. If you ask a 9/11 truther to prove the legitimacy of their position, they’ll instantly be able to produce clear and concise videos and articles for you, and if they’ve actually done their homework they’ll be able to regale you with information about physics, forensics, architecture, chemistry, and plot holes in the official narrative. If you ask someone who’s got theories about the JFK assassination you’ll get a comparable amount of lucidity. Ask a QAnon cultist for the same level of intellectual transparency and you’ll get a bunch of mealy-mouthed gibberish which will quickly turn into accusations that you are lazy for refusing to do your own research if you keep pressing.
This is because there is no actual, tangible factual basis for the belief system which has sprouted up around QAnon. It begins, just like any other religion, as a premise of faith, and then the adherents to that faith pool their intellectual resources into the task of finding reasons to legitimize that premise. They begin with the premise that Trump is a good and noble savior who is uprooting the source of all of America’s problems with strategic maneuvers which are so brilliant that they look like the exact opposite of what they are, then they let confirmation bias and other cognitive biases do the rest of the work for them.
Qanon is a skilled propagandist so naturally people respond to Q's Pavlovian tactics.
Q is a pusher.
Partisans are irrational, they think with emotions and behave like a herd.
At the behavior's core is biology not ideology & all good propagandists since Bernays understand this. pic.twitter.com/oslq9ysI3j— JG Bennet (@FakeLeftSucks) May 25, 2019
Again, you don’t need to take my word for this; you can repeat this experiment for yourself. Whenever you encounter a QAnon adherent, either by chance or by seeking them out deliberately, simply ask them to prove the legitimacy of their position. You might get links to sources which attempt to prove that QAnon is connected to the Trump administration (as though that would somehow counter the idea that it’s a pro-Trump propaganda construct), you might get links to the mountain of cryptic word salads that QAnon has posted and told to comb through them yourself, but you won’t ever get anything resembling an attempt to clearly prove that QAnon is the thing that it purports to be. If you keep pushing you’ll encounter nothing but anger as you run into a wall of cognitive dissonance.
This proves that QAnon is not even a proper conspiracy theory, as we’ve come to understand that term. Conspiracy theories, per definition, consist of some sort of concrete theory. QAnon, like Russiagate, consists of nothing other than something that people desperately want to believe and then seek out excuses which allow them to feel comfortable believing it. This makes it far more akin to a religion or a cult than a conspiracy theory.
If QAnon were legitimate, it would be easy for its followers to demonstrate that legitimacy in a clear and simple way. They never can.
3. It’s made many bogus claims and inaccurate predictions.
"A non-comprehensive timeline of Q's failed predictions and mistakes and a list of tactics he uses to hook and drag followers." #QAnon #WWG1WGAhttps://t.co/uPGQ35wMBX
— Caitlin Johnstone ⏳ (@caitoz) May 25, 2019
I’m putting this one last instead of first because the appeal of QAnon has very little to do with facts and evidence; if you show these to a Q cultist they’ll typically just say “Oh Q didn’t really mean that” or “That one wasn’t the real Q” or even “Disinformation is necessary” (a John Bolton doctrine which QAnon itself has proclaimed on multiple occasions), but for anyone who’s kind of on the fence about the whole thing you should be aware that the QAnon phenomenon has been rife with demonstrable inaccuracies. Personally I prefer to focus on the behaviors of the QAnon cultists themselves, since they’re the ones interpreting the cryptic word salads and circulating those interpretations online. They behave as cheerleaders for their government’s most depraved agendas; it doesn’t really matter what they are being told to believe to get them to behave that way.
This recent Reddit post on r/conspiracy breaks down many of the bogus claims, inaccurate predictions and deceitful manipulations that the QAnon construct has made since its inception. They include claiming in October 2017 that Hillary Clinton had been arrested and to expect mass rioting in response, posting and then deleting a fake Podesta email, posting multiple photoshopped images as though they were real, posting a bogus photo suggesting that the operator of the account was on Airforce One, and posting bogus “codes” that are demonstrably nothing other than gibberish.
I don’t claim to know everything about this QAnon thing or who exactly is behind it, but these three points I just outlined in my opinion kill all doubt that it’s not what it purports to be. For anyone looking at them with intellectual honesty rather than the same way a creationist or cult member might look at something which challenges their faith, anyway.
It is not good that a vocal and enthusiastic part of Trump’s largely anti-interventionist, pro-WikiLeaks base has been propagandized into consistently stumping for longtime agendas of the CIA and the Pentagon. Someone’s benefiting from this, and it isn’t you.
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This is the polar opposite of Trump Derangement Syndrome: That forlorn, yet hopeful dream that there’s some magic daddy just about to leap tall buildings in a single bound to save Gotham. It’s why I ask devout Christians: Just how many more virgins do we have to toss into the volcano before Jesus or at least the angel Moroni finally returns?
To quote Father Carlin: Fuck hope.
Funny how Jesus Christ ‘crept’ into the conversation. That’s quite the HATE you have for the TRUTH. Stow your hatred for a while … open your mind … read the New Testmament 2 … 3 … 4 times. See if you still FEEL the same way. Bet you won’t do it. Bet you are afraid of the TRUTH. C’mon. Be a man. Take the challenge. Channel all your hatred and negative energy. Change your life.
I don’t hate Jesus (Moroni is another matter). I just hate people who base their perception of reality on the return of some man no one has seen hide nor hair of for 2,000 years. It’s a major reason why we’re Israel’s bitch. Cause Jesus is just about to erupt out of the ground or drop from the sky-I’m not up on the details. May he just got sick of our stupid bullshit. Who could blame him?
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. (Luke 14:26
So you hate your wife, kids and siblings, then? Wow, what a God!
Mottles, if you read the article again, when he compares the Q followers to a cult and calls the movement a religion, he means Christianity. There is no other religion that is as derided and mocked as Christianity. JC didn’t creep into the conversation at all. You are as much a victim of cult thinking as the Q-balls. His commentary on the Q cultists applies to you as well. It is one thing to have faith and quite another to have religion. Faith is believing God’s word while religion is believing in talk about God’s word. That is what Q does, it talks about Trump and his motives without getting down to the nitty-gritty and talking about what Trump says and does. I doubt you can rightly divide this difference, though. Maybe GCP can help.
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For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
I want your daughter
I’ll tell her you said that, you freaking perv.
Nice response Motley…
CC: I saw your resposne and hope you are motivated to learn more. If you are, please start reading at John 3:16 to the end of John’s Gospel; if you are still interested, continue with Matthew, Mark and Luke’s Gospels.
Fyodor Dostoevsky ( an author who witnessed first hand the Russian revolution which prohibited any and all religion), “..without (Christianity) God all things are permissible.”
Please don’t. John 3:16 is not the gospel of our salvation. Christ had not even gone to the cross yet. Nor can our gospel be found in the OT books of Matthew, Mark or Luke. The gospel that saves today is found throughout Paul’s epistles.
Romans 5:8 KJB… “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”
So this guy Paul’s words are more important than those of Jesus? BS! The first gospel was actually Mark. This gives a relatively simple portrayal of a Jewish Messiah. He never even talked about an atoning sacrifice. You support Paulianity.
How about Romans 3-8…? Just a few pages of a King James Bible.
Made this connection with your comment; I hope – no pun intended – that is just a fanciful word-association and NOT, in any way, a “prophetic” association. Although, I must admit, there is that possibility: in regards to the Donner party. . .
https://youtu.be/0FpVPegyww0?t=2246
Did you mean Father Guido Sarducci? I doubt Carlin ever played a priest.
You stand corrected.
Is that a Cardinals hat?
You never heard of “Buddy Christ?”
Dogma anyone?
It is a sort of conservative fairy tale, huh?
Think you would go after mohammadens and the barbaric cult of islam? You are a real tough guy, laying Q-crap at the doorstep of Christianity. You’re an ill-informed, evil person to throw sacrificing ‘virgins’ as Christian doctrine, and invoking the Second Coming of Christ!
Please do not attack Christianity – it is not the problem in the world – IT IS OUR SALVATION -it is the lack of believers, which IS the problem.
“It’s why I ask devout Christians: Just how many more virgins do we have to toss into the volcano before Jesus or at least the angel Moroni finally returns?”
Has a devout Christian ever given you a number?
QAnon lives in a basement under a pizza place in D.C. or something, so I’m sure he knows more about what’s going on than everyone else. So there.
Dan, are you an apostle?
WTF? The Oracle of Delphi pepperonis us and I can’t ask for some red pepper without getting downthumbed?
Ye of little faith and neglected thumbs should suck them.
Forget QAnon and 6-D chess and all that crap. All you need to do to understand Trump is to read his book “The Art of Being Netanyahu’s Bitch”.
Someone told me recently that I am a pragmatist. I accept that because in the end if something does not work, I leave it behind, that’s always been my habit. Q offered an excellent example of the use of Socratic dialogue when it appeared on 4Chan and then 8Chan, but as the evidence built and those who understand the proper end to a Socratic dialogue- the narrow in on the truth as opposed to discovering The Truth- it undermined it’s own premise, if that was indeed it.
There is no shame in being wrong. All of us are wrong all the time and at different stages of our life about all kinds of things and as we try to narrow in on what is true, we admit these errors and learn from them. ‘Q’ neither admits errors, nor acknowledges them, never mind making corrections for them. Therefore ‘Q’ is neither genuine, nor does it/he/them have a standard by which anyone seeking truth would ultimately benefit.
Is it an interesting story? Indeed. Are there all kinds of clues that indicate it is someone or some group deep within the Government or one of it’s agencies? Almost certainly. That alone ought to give one pause regardless of your political bent. All government should be mistrusted at all times even when it’s the people you support. That’s just common sense.
Trust Sessions. ‘nuf said.
Socratic Dialogue is an exchange of views that focuses on finding questions that prior answers conceal
Perhaps we should consider the article and maybe arrive as some pertinent questions.
Foreplay is a forgotten art.
The “QAnon phenomenon, in October of 2017 odd posts began appearing on the anonymous message board 4chan, which is wildly popular with trolls, incels and racists.”
Which sun beckons wild weeds to turn their tendrils towards its invisible energy?
Somebody need help with similes? I didn’t exceed the limit this time, and I’m easy on slow learners. Ask anyone.
Yep, Q is a larp.
Say it ain’t so T4C…………..worst MIC/CIA/Mossad propaganda BS ever foisted on the public in my memory. Amateurish crap.
It ain’t so.
I toyed with Qanon and kept coming back after all the bad calls, the straw that broke the Camels back was we must trust Heffy Sessions. Now I amuse myself to check in if something catches my attention. Had a chuckle when Praying Medic defended Wray after he wimped out and couldn’t say that he knew of any nefarious activity in the FBI,loose paraphrase. Wray is such an obvious POS. Even his followers are questioning his interpretations now. Har.
Caitlin doth protest too much.
If it’s 100% bullshit why is she wasting her time even thinking about it?
Perhaps she’s a patriot fearing for the republic.
She’s Australian . . . but that’s not to say that she does not respect OUR republic. She discusses Assange here:
Because it promotes apathy and complacency. It’s dangerous. People who would otherwise be (righteously) angry over the bullshit that’s been going on and the complete lack of holding any of the guilty to account are now sitting back and saying ‘trust the plan’ as though there is one, and complacent with a false sense of security.
I thought everyone gave up on Q years ago. The idea that someone close to Trump was giving cryptic hints about the truth was always laughable.
“plutocrats and intelligence/defense agencies tend to form relationships with each other in a way that persists amid the comings and goings of the official elected government.”
Fact. One that makes hash of ‘Deep State Conspiracy’ theories for anyone who has lived it. The marching orders of the elected are never heard by those supposed to line up and move in cadence. Doesn’t happen.
The relationships formed at the ‘Executive’ level of governments, and the reasons they obviate the policies of the elected, is the reason they persist. They are there for the long haul, in one agency or another, until retirement. At their level, everybody is a potential scapegoat and their mutual mantra is survival. Booted from one agency, they land in another, unscathed, back scratched.
For over 30 years, I worked with, and in, small, medium and very large city governments and their regulatory agencies. Then for the Department of Energy for eight years. They all swapped Executives like marbles.
The policies of new Mayors or Department heads never, ever, filtered far down the chain enough to affect the way business was done by the drones. Except in one respect. Without exception, every agency’s Human Resources Department was first bogged down by, then overrun with, affirmative action-based hires. Bringing equality to the workplace one incompetent, surly, white-hating buffalo at a time. It spread, inexorably, everywhere. “Equality’ cancer metastasized throughout every Federal, State and Metropolitan government. That is the ONLY effective policy in any government agency and it required no ‘conspiracy’ to infect the incestuous Executive class, making them all equally incompetent.
The ‘appointed’ ‘Secretaries’; Executive Directors; Administrator; Deputies and their Lieutenants are all viruses that exchange the DNA of mutual back-scratching while re-infecting each other hop-scotching from one agency to the next on their way to becoming triple-baggers. I are one. Social Security, City and Federal pensions($102K) w/Federal Medical, Dental, Vision, and $140K life insurance for… $214/month. As a mid-level GS-13 Manager. G-way robbery.
THAT package, the bureaucrat’s Golden Fleece, is the only thing motivating anyone ‘serving’ in our Gubbamints. The rewards increase exponentially with membership in Congress, where it’s legal to become wealthy with insider trading. It’s a wonder that Citibank waited until 2015 to move its Corporate Headquarters into the U.S. Capitol Building.
Government Cervix is getting paid while getting laid. Nothing else really matters except the relationships formed to make that ever easier. Anybody think we can afford the taxes we’ll eventually take to keep this Ponzi scheme running?
My favorite quote from a GS 14 Manager: “If you haven’t charged overtime on a day you didn’t work, then you aren’t really a Federal employee.”
“The policies of new Mayors or Department heads never, ever, filtered far down the chain enough to affect the way business was done by the drones. Except in one respect. Without exception, every agency’s Human Resources Department was first bogged down by, then overrun with, affirmative action-based hires. Bringing equality to the workplace one incompetent, surly, white-hating buffalo at a time. It spread, inexorably, everywhere. “Equality’ cancer metastasized throughout every Federal, State and Metropolitan government. That is the ONLY effective policy in any government agency and it required no ‘conspiracy’ to infect the incestuous Executive class, making them all equally incompetent.”
brilliant
qanon was a psyops for the gullible
Your comment was a wheelchair for those who can’t.
“Oh, please, let me be the ADA ramp!”
Sounds like government employees need term limits rather than elected officials.
If someone has something important to say, they just say it. I could never get past the gibberishtic aspect of it whether it seemed credible at the time or not. Who or whatever it is, I hope it was for fun and not part of some scam or deception.
Hidden agendas – I can live with that
Like it or not – they happen all day long.
Why the letter ‘Q’ would be my question
On Star Trek Next Generation, the character Q was omnipotent and omniscient.
Thanks for Q ing me in
Q ships during WWII were British merchantmen fitted out with false sides concealing very large naval guns. When they lured an enemy submarine in close down came the sides and boom went the guns at unmissable ranges. The Germans called theirs aux raiders. Q means deception.
Caitlin Johnstone = 5 eyes
She did her best….
She did her job…
And that happens.
They say: “Well, we could explain it to you…, but if you would see what we see on the boards then you would understand“.
Then, they uphold everything that looks genuine while diminishing any ensuing circumstances that won’t jive.
What if we find out later that Sessions was instrumental in Trump’s current (so-called) counteroffensive and that we really could trust Wray the whole time?
What if we don’t and later realize Q was a psyop?
In the end, it becomes about faith. Except this type of faith is expressed through acceptance and inaction because
the Trumpster, Q, and the Anons got this.
Russiagators to the left of Caitlin. Q-anoners to the right. And there she is – stuck in the middle with you.
“Trying to justify a US president doing the sort of thing that all US presidents always do as a total deviation from the norm for US presidents”
You mean, there’s never been a sitting duck President who wasn’t required to prove a negative posited by partisan predators?
Trump should be impeached for not being able to prove he didn’t obstruct justice for a crime that wasn’t committed
Careful – the Dems are going to start quoting that and their followers will believe it.
It’s pretty much the same answer to every question about why a campaign promise/pledge/platform that ‘elected’ our Chief executive never shows up after election.
Candidates vow to repair a broken system that relies on breakdowns to expand its domain. Make the problem a bigger nigger and Massa has to muscle up; hire more bureaucratic field bosses to git the cotton pickin’ done. Grow your empire by making sure everyone knows you don’t have enough resources to succeed, no matter how easy that may be.
If the Federal government doesn’t have the facilities to handle immigration in a State that welcomes “Asylum seekers”, Federal law prohibiting their entry doesn’t matter after the Feds dump invaders on a Democratic’ State’s doorstep. They decide; Trump gets blamed.
Same with the environment. The EPA is a Federal agency, but the Federal Laws protecting our environment are enforced at the State level. Any Industrial, commercial or residential development requiring an EPA permits gets them from the State, not the Federal Government. If that state’s governor is developer-friendly, it’s EPA administrators are too. They’ll be working for those developers after they finish their public ‘servicing’.
Trump gets blamed for lax State enforcement when there’s not a damned thing he can do about it.
4chan, where dozens of threads, automatically generated, appeared, shoving the NZ shooting video down of everyone’s throat. Meanwhile, the media claimed, it would be shared on that scale.
The Q thing works similar. Assange is a red herring, a operation too. Did anything change, by the revelations? Surely, people sending in material to the leaks site have been busted. It’s a trap!
One point os important. You can’t conclude nothing will happen from these circumstances. This presidency has been prepared for decades, there are hints in movies too. Yes it is artificial, it’s a set up, but a big show is ahead, to make changes to the world we live in.
We’re all being scripted by Hollywood casting couch crocodiles?
– = puny lizard wishing it were a skink.
I stopped following Q years ago, but using the same argument as we didn’t go to the moon because no one has been back for 30 some years, Trump is still in a position to “drop the hammer;” even though it’s been a long hard road waiting for him to move.
Sessions is a definite indicator of Q quackery, in that he was no ally of Trump, even though we were told to trust him, but although he didn’t do anything positive, he also didn’t do anything negative.
Assange is in jail, but until he is sentenced, there is the small possibility he may provide amazing details that could put the final nails in the plotters coffin and earn him a pardon by the president.
Yeah, I know it’s pretty thin, but until the next manned moon mission is undertaken, the deniers of men going to the moon do have their point.
My bad , I posted this on another thread by mistake.
NASA claims they are going to put a woman on the Moon in five years. That’s going to go by pretty fast and seeing as they never went before they are going to have to pull a rabbit out of their hat most ricky tick.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/13/18622415/nasa-moon-return-first-woman-astronaut-artemis-program
NASA must wait five years for the only qualified female astronut to exit menopause.
The moon creates monumental tides in a gravity free zone.
“Houston, we have a problem! Where’d all these floating red globules come from?”
you are disgusting…sexist…a chauvinist pig…shame on you…
Actually, it’s his only good quality and the reason we’re still buds.
You’ve discounted my ‘potato chips & couch culture’ accommodation for your Chubby DNA?
I give you the lean, mean status triathletes sweat to attain and you weigh in with Nobody, at OUR disco?.
Anonymous only has a mirror to recite in, without buds, and you’re obliged to hold it for him?
Cuck.
And, I keep asking what’s with those gazillion sealed indictments?
And all I hear are crickets…
Patience Glasshoppa:
Remember Grasshopper was murdered by hanging. Patience didn’t help him in the end.
Q Anons according to Webster’s=
Useful Quidiots and Quools.
Cymbal Award!
Bada BANG!
On the thread of Robert Gore’s last article (on Julian Assange) I posted Shakespeare’s”To be or not to be” soliloquy along with this question:
Implied in my comment was either as a restoration of the U.S. Constitution versus the way of the Neocon.
In spite of any and all Q-drops, or anything Trump does, can America (in her current state) survive either of these scenarios?
Which is perhaps why Shakespeare (through Prince Hamlet) ontologically contemplated suicide thusly:
And that we, instead, “bear the Whips and Scorns of time” rather than see “what dreams may come, When we have shuffled off this mortal coil…”
PSYOPs and LARPs and propaganda are movies projected. They count down in the same way as the timestamp of a DVD. Just like clockwork.
Tick tock. Tick tock.
So, what happens if Assange is actually brought to a trial proceeding before a United SNAKES Corp “Feral” [consort] Court? With Barr as AG, would Defense be allowed to “disclose” the REAL source of the DNC/Clinton emails? Psst – William Binney/Seth Rich.
Multiple sides to this Qoin:
Good: Q has a VERY large following e (an army in fact) who are sick of the criminal empire. From the looks of it, the Qarmy is so large and so pissed off that if Q were to call on that army to tool up and hunt down the deep staters they would probably do it on a moments notice.
Bad: they are supporting and relying on the military for their movement, the same military that is committing the war crimes, the only truly institutionalized communist organization in the US, order followers who basically the dumping ground for all non-free thinking individuals wtho actually the ultimate banker’s bitches and all violating the constitution.
Good: they are driving a new narrative that is stripping fake news MSM of having a monopoly over discussion
Bad: If Q is a deep state operative then the Qarmy has been neutered of all their power because they are following one voice instead of just upholding the law – if the good guys were to simply uphold the law then everyone working in the government gets the death penalty, the fed res bankers get arrested and convicted of criminal fraud and their assets are seized to pay back 3 times what they defrauded the people out of and the measures can begin to require gold and silver tender per the Constitutional requirements and the people can pursue constitutional amendment for debt free us notes as tender, prohibiting private bank debt based currency and make neutrality a constitutional requirement as well as explicitly acknowledging the eternal prohibition of government making statutory laws that apply to the people. Qarmy isn’t talking about upholding the law to the fullest extent because most of them are even more lawless than those they claim are above the law. Even here on TBP, upholding the letter of the law is noticeably absent – only the sovereigns operate in the domain of true law.
Good:Qarmy takes a position of ‘put on the full armor of God’.
Bad: most of them they don’t actually know what that means.
Many other god/bad on the Qarmy issue but I do think if Assange ends up convicted then the break will finally happen.
Sadest part of all is that the law has been sitting there the whole time (the actual solution), every judge, prosecutor, ‘law’ enforcement ‘officer’ and every bureaucrat is in violation of the law every working second of their careers, the grand jury issuing presentments and indictments with special prosecutors, judges and truly law abiding petit juries seated for their trials is the answer but almost knows anything about the law so it looks like the final judgement day will have to wait until 2046 but the deep state is preparing for that and they stole your money to build their underground fortresses, of course most of you or qarmy know nothing about that either.
You may be calling the kettle black or you are right about qarmy but it doesn’t really matter if you are just as lawless and unaware as everyone else.
It does matter. Being aware and lawless helps me chose victims that can recover.
No way you can be pigeonholed. That’s a good thing.
But it makes for a difficult read as to where you’re coming from. A bad thing. Stand still, willya? I like the way you think, but you’ve lost me.
“Even here on TBP, upholding the letter of the law is noticeably absent – only the sovereigns operate in the domain of true law.”
I tried to grab that slippery sentence somewhere, anywhere. and it kept slipping out of my hands.
Please tell me how, in a world where everybody, every day, witnesses the high and mighty skating along, committing one capital crime after another, get off scot free, enriched…
…while Joe Blow has to plea bargain his way into a lighter sentence for a crime he didn’t commit but will surely be convicted for under ‘the letter of the law’… or lose most of what was illegally taken under Civil Asset Forfeiture to pay an attorney to get half of it back.
In America, where incarceration rates exceed those in every ‘Human Rights” violating country anywhere, we obey or are assimilated behind bars to enrich jail contractors who leach taxpayers. Nobody in jail bunks with a sovereign.
You imply states “…‘operate’ in the domain of true law”… by upholding it? (my interpretation)
They don’t. IMO, Sovereign states with big sticks are the only entities that can violate every law, anywhere, with impunity, and they do so at every opportunity. Nobody sees a cell.
Where do you climb out from under your sheets?
Nobody who tried to ‘overthrow’ Trump is going to jail for illegally conspiring to drive “Not my President” into a ditch in a clown car.
But I’ve a ‘look over my shoulder’ suspicion that everybody on TBP will be howling impotently in a cage before an Attorney General, CIA or FBI Director ever will.
Tell us what do you see in your pan when you’re finished sifting your paydirt? You’ve tossed a lot of gravel in with the gold.
“while Joe Blow has to plea bargain his way into a lighter sentence for a crime he didn’t commit but will surely be convicted for under ‘the letter of the law’”
Joe Blow does not know and never knew what the elements that make up a valid cause of action are and that a court of law requires valid cause to have subject matter jurisdiction to hear a case. Joe Blow never knew that there is no Constitution any where in the US that authorizes the governnent to make laws applicable to the people nor does Joe Blow even know that there are no statutes that even claim to be applicable to any of the people. Why does Joe Blow not know this? Because Joe Blow is lawless, he ignores law and therefore has no defenses. If Joe Blow were a real man he would know and uphold the law and therefore protect his rights. Joe Blow listened to their claims that he is a person subject to their ‘laws’ and he understood thereby consenting via fear. Had Joe Blow walked through the valley of death and had no fear he would have already had the armor of God and he would of known that fact. All law comes from God’s divine law, ignore the law and you ignore God. Ignore God and you have no agency within the true sovereignty. No sovereignty = no rights = subjegation.
God embraces ‘outlaws’ as fully as those compliant with His Plan. Those who insist God’s Laws sift anyone into an irredeemable trash heap know nothing of God. Everyone serves His purpose.
Anyone can be fooled into thinking someone has an idea how to operate within their own code of ethics, being true to themselves, when they’ve actually abdicated their innate understanding of what is Law to papists who bastardized the Word. You’d never suspect that they thought you undeserving of ‘agency within God’s sovereignty’ simply because you ignore papist’s requirements for confession, penance, and piety required to ‘comply’ with God’s Laws.
Each of us have a noble, generous Soul that would harm no being and forgives all. That is who we stand before when this life is done and the only judgement we render upon ourselves is whether we lived by our code, not God’s. An eye for an eye absolves none. “Did you even try to love your enemy?” It’ll be a good thing if you can answer “Yes!”
There is no “God’s Code of Law” applicable to everyone, except treating others as you would have them treat you. That evaluation is what determines whether you allow yourself enough to enter your own heaven, where there is no subjugation at all.
Q’s hints that there’s a plan afoot to release us from our government’s increasingly restrictive restraints were so compelling because so few people can escape their own tethers.
Bunch of bleaters.
“except treating others as you would have them treat you” yep that’s it – divine law. The root of all law. When Joe Blow faces a judge and the sees Joe Blow subjegate himself unnecessarily then the Judge thinks well Joe if I were a subject slave I would want enough injury to make me think twice about consenting to slavery, so the judge to Joe, ‘here is your injury, your lesson in tyranny and I am your teacher’. Joe complains but still doesn’t spend the time to learn the law and continues to consent to slavery so the lessons by the teacher continue. Joe showed how he wishes to be treated when he consents to subjegation so the judge continues the lesson. If one learns the lesson and graduates from tyranny university then the sovereignty is acknowledged and there is never valid cause for any action – no more cases, no more tyranny, no more attorneys. You simply walk away. But that is only in defense. To fully end the tyranny everyone must bring the accusations when valid cause is present and guess what, everyone already has valid cause but I don’t see any lines of accusers at the grand jury’s door, I don’t see anyone spelling out the valid cause or even discussing these facts. The people are almost totally lawless, they spend tons of energy on everything but actual justice to bring proper remedy to the injury. The insist it is in a prosecutor’s (a known law violator) discretion all the while “equal justice under the law” is chiseled in stone of the courthouses we built. Demanding known law violators to bring justice – totally absurd, total lawlessness, total failure…
https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/3243233
Boom boom boom.
Q sent me.
That’s great news! You can leave now.
Dio, that’s the funniest line in the whole thread. Nothing like a Q post to start a shit flinging festival.
Actually there has been some very good back and forth. IMHO, The Farmer has made the best case for Q being a pipe dream. But I was already on that train. So at this point it’s going to take prison terms, or even better, hangings for me to believe any of it was true.
Check out Donkey Love, above. Couldn’t wait for DBs to show up for the Ooooonnnnkheee!
Really? A donkey-hating downthumber? Momma still beats you?
What if the Great Awakening was actually the “Great Revealing” whereupon all of the online signatures of the rebels were revealed as they awakened to a final revelation as to who was really in control?
Sort of a bleeding of the brake lines before the big stop.
It would be like awakening from a dream, no?
Of course that could NEVER happen. Could it?
Do you believe in coincidences?
Do you, at least, see the potential for great irony?
We already have the answer to that one, it’s molon labe
One could argue that the reveal has worked multiple ways, although via different “channels” – one is 4chan/8chan and another is the (generic/conglomerate) independent media. The “Qarmy” is identified as rebels and traitors to the globalist cause, while the globalists, usurpers, deep-staters, plants, shills, pawns, and tools have been identified as traitors to nationalist interests via the numerous podcasts, articles, and websites that comprise the “new” media. Meanwhile the third “channel” MSM have, like the living, breathing walking dead, staggered in lockstep to downplay, cover-up, and sidestep the truth; they have, thereby, revealed themselves to be the frauds and tools that many of us have suspected they were/are/have been for generations. So we know who everybody is, and they us, and we all have a pretty good idea who cannot be trusted.
So, in a way, one might argue, we have ourselves a Mexican stand-off. Only question is who pulls the trigger first.
Gosh, I wish I had said that to BB last week. Here’s the thing, and the reason I called it a potential Mexican Standoff; nobody wins, both sides are forced to walk away without a victory. There is no possibility of anybody pulling the trigger first. In that case, it would be a California Standoff where 4 cars at a 4 way stop wait until somebody ‘pulls the trigger first.’ Given that situation, officer O’Malley said that the person who takes the right of way first has the right of way.
Or, everybody could accelerate at once and crash. Kinda like:
Gatsby said,
A “global mass awakening is happening”…..
IT has been on going for decades but more and more are awakening. We can both agree to that. However, the nationalist movements occurring have been a long time in the making….the naivety of many of the conservatives who have bought the Q psyop (as T4C even admits that Q followers acknowledge) and Trump’s faux nationalist rhetoric and who have began the “awakening” process is truly disturbing.
I have said for well over a decade tha we are living through a Massive awakening similar to the awakening that occurred in our not too distant history. The last “Great awakening” we were taught about in public schools that occurred here in America was said to be spurred by Christian revivals and pastors moving from town to town spreading their message….the messages in this new awakening are spurred by the interconnectivity and instant transmission from the interwebs and is global…the necessity for this global nationalist movement is rooted in the understanding of what Marx suggested was necessary foe global communism, a global revolution. This will come after much weeping and gnashing of teeth in the name of nationalism and sovereignty, most of the world population not even realizing most of their national autonomy has been eroded and usurped already by the criminals posing as politicians while they slumbered, before whatever “woke” them.
An apt phrase to remember,”Mass media breeds mass deception”.
Much of the content we discuss on TBP and across the dark recesses of the intratubes can be found in a card game first released back in the late 1990s…this card game based off a book, The Illuminati, has foretold many groups, agendas, events, motives and players on the global Grand Chessboard.
To think that this faux nationalist reality t.v. show president nor the current populist uprisings weren’t part of the Masonic “Great Plan” and that the movements themselves won’t be steered to the desired destinations for the next phase of the Luciferian agenda is a failure in understanding how Grand the conspiracy is and how engineered these wars and conflicts really are. In her whistleblower book, “The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America”, Charlotte Iserbyt details the varying tactics used to coopt local municipalities and the influential of a district or region. I’ve sat in on countless “steering committees” or workshops where we are told our opinions and insights are desirable, and it didn’t take long to realize those who were charged with “steering ” the committee only played lip service and were told ehat was and wasn’t permissible…similar to gatekeepers…some behaviors easily observable on certain topics on message boards and social media platforms from paid trolls and disinformation campaigns like the Flat Earth movement.
But, go ahead and become the future brown shirts that you label the green SJW snowflakes to be….lock the country down, start the tribunals and get rid of your fellow countrymen who point out this IS what the criminal overlords WANT to happen, problems reactions solutions….we reap what we sow!
Here’s just a few of the cards…
I think the Flat Farther card is interesting considering the Flat Earth movement has really went viral the past 5 years and this cars game came out in 1994.
Welcome to the contrived socially engineered simulation. On the Grand Chess board the useful idiots comprise every type of chess piece…the willfully ignorant of this fact WILL NOT excuse their atrocities, hatred, or vitriol committed in the name of their religion, country, race or movement.
God have mercy on us all.
Bill and Hilary, the world’s most corrupt couple, have blazed a self-aggrandizing trail of infamous self-interest at everyone else’s expense, violating just about every law on the books.
Whose going to make ’em pay for their part in the part in ‘the Masonic “Great Plan”?
Nobody – “this IS what the criminal overlords WANT to happen, problems reactions solutions”
“Solutions”, really? From our government, or our criminal overlords, or the Masonic great Plan?
The only people who are ‘woke’ are those who understand just how terminally screwed everyone’s plan is, if they are relying on governments for solutions to the problems that governments create.
The only government solution is to throw anyone exposing the problems governments create illegally into solitary confinement. That’s the only payment I see being made – by patriots willing to throw their lives away.
I tried to witness to catholic Charlotte a few years back. She was completely uninterested in what the Bible says about salvation today.
“God have mercy on us all.”
He has.
Romans 11:32 KJB… “For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.”
If His mercy weren’t for everyone, we’d ALL be FUBAR.
Plato,
Have you seen this?
Mark,
Great summation video ofnthe eaybthebgsme is played and many of the cards. Thank you for sharing it with us.
Awesome!
I was originally suspicious, I started to believe it was authentic, and after a few months, I decided it was bullshit. Practically nothing Q has said has come true. It’s gotten a ton of attention, though. Wish I had secured Q.com and started selling bumperstickers and Tshirts as soon as it came out. Also, some of the counter-Q research has been pretty good. If Q were actually real, where’s the arrests? He started out with Hillary in his first message. Nothing happened.
One hundred? Do I get a prize?
From the standpoint of honing perspectives, this has been a fantastic thread. Lots of keen input. From where I sit, it’s like we’re all talking to ourselves and working it out with everyone else watching.
I’m not sure I believe everything that I wrote above, but I do find it peculiar that we still don’t know. At least not with any real certainty. That is telling in and of itself. Isn’t it?
Yes, the BEST of comment sections have this quality. It’s also why many MSM outlets have turned the comments off – can’t have people arguing against the Narrative and WINNING.
But they are only fooling themselves – after all, once you’ve spent a session or two jousting with HSF or Stucky or FM, why would you go back to “normal” outlets for your news? We discuss everything you can imagine here, and there is no “official” spin. Argue with JimQuinn if you want to, just bring your facts since he’s not into “feelings” or BLS nonsense. This is one of the finest places on the Web – bring your open or closed mind, and prepare for controversy!
Interesting, James. I never read the comments on any of the MSM outlets. It would make sense that they would not want anyone making comments that might convince some the others to think things through.
It’s why they will try to push through hate speech laws. Because hate speech is subjective. Hate crime laws were the stepping stone to hate speech laws.
Mary Christine,
Years ago I used to post comments on my local paper’s website, yahoo articles and such. These comments were devoid of profanity and usually met their guidelines for permissible speech. What I found was on certain topics, my comments were visible for my ip address to see but when I looked from a different IP address it was as though it never existed. Shadow banning is a real thing even before it had a name. Now they don’t even hide it, since they have rewritten their terms and agreements and all this “fake news” shit ever since Comet Ping Pong and the Podesta Files leaked from Wikileaks.
When you get shadowbanned you know you’re over the target on certain topics.
The presstitute mockingbird controlled media platforms don’t want their narratives torn apart or others plugged into The Matrix to be red pilled.
Those who know, don’t say.
Those who say, don’t know.
. . .yes. And in the worst type of way, like a dangling carrot.
A flat coon skin coat
Is why I sent Quetzacoatl to Chile to try to get that trickster back to the Mayans way down south of the border. There hasn’t been a decent underground communications network in this country since women designed quilt blocks to communicate whether or not they would provide safe haven to runaway slaves.
Women and their coverings. Proverbs 31:22, I think.
Quilts are nice heirlooms. That starts with Q. Eff You rhymes.
AMEN, brother… Anybody with more than two brain cells, who has read some tripe from Q, does not read it anymore! Obliterating the 1st amendment to “save” Assange is Luny Toons!
It reminds me of another mental giant, “W” Bush, ‘I had to abandon free-market principles to save the free market.’ Did anybody believe that BS? NO!
Mari-nation. Like any marinate except for a cup of Q , a dash of delusion and a pinch of plain stupid.
I don’t know what in the hell is going on these days. I will say one thing- if everything blows up in the face of the Democratic Party, and half of everything we’ve all read about them is true (which is true of BOTH parties), what are the odds that this party will go the way of the Whigs into extinction? Maybe that is the plan. If everything is being engineered by someone behind the curtain who is aided by the self-destructive arrogance and greed of the Democrat politicians, then we may end up with a one party state. The prospective of an omnipotent one party state is the one thing that scares the hell out of me.
“The prospective of an omnipotent one party state is the one thing that scares the hell out of me.”
Be afraid. Be very afraid. The unseen (but always behind the ‘scripted’ scene) globally coordinated, ‘Capital Cartel’, has a flawless plan that doesn’t need infinitely flawed people to ensure its success.
Is Q going to tell me that Jared Kushner isn’t running the white house? ROFL He’s attending Bildeberg I hear.
Trump made a deal with the Israeli deep state to keep the Clintonista embedded structure off his back. No one is coming to save us. Like Tom Woods said, if Trump was truly rebellious, he would have gone on national TV with a list of names and organizations.
This guy shreds the Q anon conspiracy…
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-27/intelligence-group-responsible-q-anon-conspiracy-theory
Explain this one away. Two of his worst appointees.
https://sputniknews.com/world/201905281075423981-bilderberg-club-kushner-meeting/
Hannity was pushing Q for Christ’s sake! Sean Hannity. Sean ‘The Rank and File in the FBI Aren’t Corrupt’ Hannity.
True change will come, when they’re frantically grabbing at your pant leg, begging for mercy. And we aren’t that far off from that scenario.
I thought they were calling Christians Boomers now
Have to agree, there is no evidence showing Q is 100% legit. To say Trump’s done nothing is also not 100% legit.
I see a president who has people on all political sides working against him, the media reports over 90% negative news, and his personal choices throughout his life give no reason for great confidence. On the plus side his judge appointments seem to be trending towards greater constitutionalism, in 2018 the number of missing children was at it’s lowest levels since the FBI has been reporting statistics, and there are over 100,000 sealed indictments waiting to be revealed throughout the country.
The unsealing of those indictments will reveal is Trump part of a deep state faction fighting over who gets to rule the world, if so the indictments are probably anons who will be rounded up and eliminated. If there is a legit Q team when enough judges and evidence are collected there will be public trials and evidence to show some of the depravity we’ve been subjected too and our lives will blossom in a world without as much subversion and evil.
I pray Q team is real, and prepare for them not to be.
Throwing this here, as it’s an excellent follow-up to Caitlin’s piece. Amazing how people can go down rabbit hole to another, and another, and another…
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/06/qanon-nothing-can-stop-what-is-coming/610567/
Sounds like ur trying a little too hard to discredit Q….
Obviously you are bought and paid for…. Sit down and shut up now