Regulating The Public Space

Guest Post by The Zman

There are few things good about aging, but one of those benefits is you start seeing how history often repeats itself. There is nothing new under the sun, but when you are young most everything is new to you. When you get old, you have experienced enough to begin noticing the repeats of things you saw in your youth. For example, those old enough to remember the early the days of the internet, probably recognize what’s happening with the tech giants trying to regulate the public space.

By early days, I’m not talking about the iPhone 4 days. I’m talking about the Windows 3.1 days, when the internet was for weirdos, who knew how modems worked and liked tricking the phone company for free long distance. It was when hobbyists assembled their own computers It was when NewEgg was called Egghead and operated in shopping centers. That was before the phrase “social media” existed, but there was still plenty of social media and plenty of people on it, just smarter people.

Usenet and bulletin board systems served the same role as Twitter and Facebook, without the cute names and billionaires trying to control the platforms. Like the big social media platforms, they started with the same general idea. They would be open forums for people to debate and argue. The internet was going to be free from the censorship of the old media and free from government control. The same things people say about bitcoin today were said about the internet in the olden thymes.

What happened to those first public forums and those that succeeded them is a good lesson for understanding what is happening to the big social media platforms. Usenet, for example, started as an open platform for anyone with internet access. It did not take long for jerks and troublemakers to arrive. Soon, the squabbling and fighting fractured the community into separate channels. In short order, Usenet became a million little havens for like-minded people to talk about their thing in semi-private.

Bulletin boards followed a similar path. Their successor, the message board also followed a similar arc. The first boards for college sports, for example, soon turned into free-for-alls and shattered into hundreds of small, private boards. Unlike Usenet, the creators of these boards initially tried to regulate the content by having moderators ban trouble makers and people trolling for attention. That just encouraged the trouble makers to find clever ways around the rules, in order to disrupt the communities.

What was discovered in those early efforts of public forums is that the public is pretty awful and needs to be regulated. You just can’t let everyone into a public forum and have them say what they wish. On the other hand, the cost of regulating who enters and what is said is prohibitive. The more you regulate the forum, the cleverer the troublemakers get at disruption. This sets off an increasingly costly game of cat and mouse between the moderators and the people seeking to disrupt the forum.

The solution to the problem was the oldest of solutions. Peaceful separation allowed everyone to have a forum, but it reduced the incentives for the disruptive. Going into the forum of a rival group, for example, and posting a bunch of troll-bait, did not provide the same dopamine rush to the troll as it did on a public forum. There was no one around to see it and cheer it. It was like being a graffiti artist in a blind community. These trolling efforts were quietly removed and the community could easily ignore them.

That is what will happen with the big social media hubs. Twitter is the first that will splinter into a million separate channels, as it is the most public. Gab has weathered the assaults and now provides a home for dissidents. Telegram is now becoming the favorite tool for young people creating small communities. Others are working on alternatives for other tribes, looking for a place on-line both free of censorship and the sorts of people who just seek to disrupt. This is a repeat of the message board phenomenon.

YouTube and Facebook are a bit different. Facebook already has the ability to let users self-segregate within the forum. That solves the trolling a bit, but the company is run by the sorts of people who liked being moderators on chat boards in the old days. They can’t help but meddle in the discourse of others, even those in private groups on the platform. Given the demographics of the platform, it will probably collapse at some point as people realize its user base is old people, robots and gullible advertisers.

YouTube is the one to watch. As server capacity outstrips demand, the cost of hosting video will keep dropping. There are services popping up as alternatives to YouTube, with some starting as commercial enterprises. This service lets you create a branded channel that can be distributed on a variety of platforms. If you have talent and can hold an audience, the days of relying on YouTube are numbered. Since YouTube has never made money, it’s hard to see a future for the service as currently constructed.

None of this is to say that the tech oligopolies will come to their senses and stop trying to suppress speech on-line. In all probability, they will exhaust themselves trying to stamp out dissent, which means things will get much worse. Apple, for example, is now censoring speech within chat programs like Telegram. Microsoft is promising to moderate speech over Skype. The people behind these efforts are driven by hatred and self-loathing, so they lie awake at night thinking about this stuff.

The trouble is, it is expensive. The latest YouTube banning probably cost the company $10 million dollars to organize. It’s pretty clear they invested a lot of manpower in reviewing specific videos. The return on that investment was mostly bad press and greater awareness by regulators that there is a problem. That’s a lesson from the old days too. No matter how right they were to regulate users, the forum moderators were always looked upon unfavorably. They were the prison guards of the system.

That last bit is probably key. A decade ago, Apple was a cool brand run by an equally cool genius who liked wearing black turtlenecks. Now it is seen as a Chinese electronics company run by an angry homosexual. Similarly, YouTube used to be a place where young people could express themselves. Now it’s where old Jewish women yell at young people for using naughty language.With every censorship effort, the reputation of the oligopolies declines. Silicon Valley is now the universal villain.

The point of all this is not that libertarians are right that the market will magically sort out the problem for us. All of this could have been avoided if the government had done its job and cracked down on these oligopolies a long time ago. The natural disaggregation of the public space will not happen without help from the state either. It’s that wide open public forums cannot last. It was tried decades ago by smarter people and a much smarter user base. Eventually, peaceful separation became the only alternative.

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Suds
Suds
June 14, 2019 7:28 am

Z said:
“When you get old, you have experienced enough to begin noticing the repeats of things you saw in your youth.”

Indeed. Cycles seem to be at work in a somewhat consistent pattern, in many areas.

But I really liked his description of ?, which is bruised fruit, and has a worm.
“A decade ago, Apple was a cool brand run by an equally cool genius who liked wearing black turtlenecks. Now it is seen as a Chinese electronics company run by an angry homosexual.”

Priceless.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Suds
June 14, 2019 5:51 pm

Isn’t “angry homosexual” redundant? I thought they adopted “gay” because they so clearly weren’t.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Suds
June 14, 2019 7:10 pm

Uh, something called “wisdom” to those who benefit from it?

old white guy
old white guy
June 14, 2019 8:51 am

As an old man I have watched as our society has slowly lost the ability to remain moral and honest. I have watched as insanity has become considered a normal state. I have watched as biology has been dismissed. I have watched as global freezing morphed into global warming and has now morphed into climate change. We have been steadily regulated into the boxes we currently live in and the internet is no exception. One thing I will say this too shall pass and those who survive will return to sanity and normality.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
June 14, 2019 9:05 am

“Eventually, peaceful separation became the only alternative.”

Pray for the peace of peaceful separation.

Romans 12:18 KJB… “If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.”

Me with my culture, you with yours; and we’ll get along just fine or leave one another alone.

(As if…)

old white guy
old white guy
  grace country pastor
June 14, 2019 2:20 pm

It will not be peaceful. Intelligence would be required.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  old white guy
June 14, 2019 3:18 pm

I hear you.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
June 14, 2019 9:17 am

So Old White Guy, society was never moral, honest and virtuous the asshats have always been with us. The internet is filled with has been category killers and Youtube, Twitter, FaceFuck days are numbered. Google will take longer, I use Duck Duck Go instead of Google search for example. The Big Socials are hoping a more malleable Dimocrat gets elected in 2020 and then they extend their lifespan through aggressive regulation. Even mighty “Ma Bell” was broken up and that worked out spectacularly.

We have our factions, the anti-semites are especially strong on TBP, but the open forum here shows that self-moderation works quite well. Most participants can put at least a couple of words together and provide some insight which makes the idiotic comments more entertainment than an insult.

As a lone wolf libertarian, it is comforting to know that over time, provided we pursue the alternatives, the oppressive “Socials” will go the way of MySpace and likely quicker than anybody thinks.

daddysteve
daddysteve
  Martel's Hammer
June 15, 2019 1:15 pm

“Anti-semites”?? I haven’t heard one bad thing about Palestinians mentioned on this board for quite some time.

Eclectic Chihuahua
Eclectic Chihuahua
June 14, 2019 9:51 am

Peaceful separation has always been the favorite remedy. In the past, folks simply moved out west. Trouble always follows those who would abandon the teeming horde. You could move to Mars and the assholes would follow you just to make sure you aren’t having fun without them.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  Eclectic Chihuahua
June 14, 2019 5:24 pm

Stand alone, act crazy and look poor, they’ll leave you alone….pushing a shopping cart loaded with garbage bags and carrying on an endless monologue of obscenities also helps. As does shaking your fist and asking them what the fuck you looking at, pinche chollo.

EL Coyote (EC)
EL Coyote (EC)
  Mygirl...maybe
June 15, 2019 1:39 pm

You should change your name to La mygirl

Iconoclast421
Iconoclast421
June 14, 2019 10:24 am

I shopped at egghead in the 90s and bought my first item off newegg in 1999 and I never made any connection between the two companies.

Neuday
Neuday
June 14, 2019 12:27 pm

As one of those internet old-timers in the pre WWW, pre-mouse days, hitting CompuServe with my Gateway 286 and 1200 baud Hayes modem, one thing different than today is that there were no females at all.

Another thing is I was able to take my computer hobby and make a somewhat successful career out of it without a CS degree. Those days eren’t coming back.

Eclectic Chihuahua
Eclectic Chihuahua
  Neuday
June 14, 2019 2:17 pm

Dern!

TC
TC
June 14, 2019 1:06 pm

Peaceful separation? Wonder if Zman has ever heard of Propertarianism.

BB
BB
  TC
June 14, 2019 1:38 pm

Fuck you Hammer ,you have got to be one most ignorant jack asses on this site. These fucking Jews are the ones who have hated me first before I ever did them . They hate you dumbass.All throughout History they have hated us Gentiles. They always have always will since the Time of Christ. No wonder they have been kicked out of 109 different countries. I demand you read some history. I demand you read what they have written in history.Or maybe you could just go to their websites.

old white guy
old white guy
  BB
June 14, 2019 2:22 pm

Jew haters are the worst. A holes like you still think that 15 million people can control the almost 8 billion on the planet. Stupid does not begin to describe such thought processes.

October Sky
October Sky
  old white guy
June 14, 2019 2:36 pm

Anti-whites are criminal. Jewish supremacy relies heavily on the masses completing a portion of their dirty work.

Neuday
Neuday
  old white guy
June 14, 2019 3:38 pm

The Frankfurt School never happened, eh Pops? The percentage of jews on the Fedetal Reserve board, SCOTUS, media, academia, finance, the beneficiaries of those mideast wars, the laws against.speaking against Ashkenazi, Emannuel Celler, all just a bunch of pure coincidence.

Such ignoramce and naivete is how a people lost their country.

EL Coyote (EC)
EL Coyote (EC)
  Neuday
June 14, 2019 3:43 pm

Such ignoramce – Neudie

I’m going to ask Admin for a raise just keeping you in line, Neudie.

October Sky
October Sky
  old white guy
June 14, 2019 4:09 pm

There are pro-whites setting paragon examples within their communities and offering or receiving intellectual feedback to non-white groups of people whose interests vary independently. The key difference between Jewish supremacy and independent communities is how independent communities count on their own resourcefulness. Whereas Jewish supremacy mocks these intentions and then acts to thwart them.

daddysteve
daddysteve
  old white guy
June 15, 2019 1:19 pm

By owning the “money” , the media and the law….yes.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  BB
June 14, 2019 2:30 pm

Err, that is entertaining but not an argument. Whenever you find yourself making a wide generalization (for a somewhat amorphous group across several thousand years) then you have already lost any credibility. Which Jews? All Jews? Jewish babies? When do Jews become dangerous? Should all Jews be killed to save who? You? Why would anybody care about what has happened to you? Do Jews really hate you? Which Jews hate you? Do Jews living in Europe hate you? How about the Jews in Haifa? Kind of impressive if they actually even knew you existed and hated you, somehow I doubt that.

Let me also return to my old refrain…..why are you BB (and the other whiners) so powerless in the face of Jew-hatred and discrimination? How is it possible that a tiny little minority (2% or less in the USA) is able to exert so much control and influence while you are the white majority can’t seem to do anything but kvetch on an internet forum? Does this really say anything about the Jews (Chinese, blacks, LatAm, Eskimo’s, etc.) or is it really more about you?

We both know it’s about you not whatever group you are railing on about.

Just like any other affinity group (blood, culture, and religion for the Jews) the Jews have an in-group preference for other Jews. BB that’s how it works in a tribe…..you are part of the tribe or you are not. Alas even within the Tribe there is another pecking order of preferred tribal members vs. others. Eg. the Hasidim control the diamond trade from NYC., Antwerp, etc. and even regular(non-Hasidim) Jews are actively discriminated against.

But just like Youtube, FB, Google are powerful we are not without recourse to the Jewish tribalism issue……Go find your tribe there BB…..and stop whining like a bitch it is unbecoming a proud white man.

How about Mormons? Ever deal with them as a “tribe”? Those fuckers are just as insular as the Jews as are the Chinese etc. Hell even the Austrians would only accept an American so far into their culture…..didn’t matter how perfect and colloquial your German was….you weren’t an Austrian!

So yes our Jewish brothers/sisters are fiercely tribal, they don’t trust you (smart on their part) they want nothing to do with you and yet…….here you are buying their products, going to see their movies, working in their companies, reading their newspapers (OK nobody reads their newspapers anymore) and generally getting your ass kicked academically and economically but a tiny tiny little group that has been actively persecuted and occasionally slaughtered over the millenia…..but they somehow recover and end up in positions of power in every society they are in. What’s your excuse?

For me I like a good underdog story….obnoxious as many Jews are, and I would never work in a Jewish owned company (a Gentile won’t do that well and will get passed over more often than not) I don’t hate them or otherwise wish them ill…..just another (successful) tribe roaming the Savannah/steppes looking to survive.

I think the burden should be on you and the others on TBP that have a “problem” with the Jews to tell us how that problem should be solved….and why in doing so our lives, society and culture would be better off. Do you want to just “wish them into the cornfield”….expropriation of all assets and deportation? Put them in Ghettoes after taking all assets? Ban intermarriage…maybe an identifying mark, a tattoo or a yellow star? Would that be a good start?

Don’t worry there is precedent….we interred lots of those slant-eyed Jap bastards in world war II…..Do Jews represent a similar threat? A bigger threat? Would a similar response be warranted then?

Come on BB……put down some markers…..take a stand or shut your pie hole and suffer in silence.

EL Coyote (EC)
EL Coyote (EC)
  Martel's Hammer
June 14, 2019 3:36 pm

You are asking BB to take a stand? The dude is nothing if not consistent, his message is always the same – ‘its the Jews’ Other times, he is bitching about diversity; blacks and beaners.

RiNS
RiNS
June 14, 2019 2:30 pm

New Soph Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_TopPhLroc

And comments are now enabled.
Happened just yesterday..
Interesting in light of the BPS fiasco…

nkit
nkit
  RiNS
June 14, 2019 3:52 pm

Thanks for posting that, Robbie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYcNwBV_RSc

BB
BB
  nkit
June 14, 2019 7:57 pm

Hammer , you are as foolish as they come . You understand nothing in History. I agree they are a tiny minority but look what the did in Russia as they took control of that nation. They murdered some 30 million white Christian Russians. That was just in Russia . Go read the History of that real Holocaust. Look who was behind it at the very top. They are planning to use people of color to do the same here. I know they have had to bribe alot of white people to get control of the banking system. I know we have been betrayed by white people. I hate these damn traitors more then I do Jews but these vile bastards are behind everything that is destroying white Christian Civilization and they are doing it intentionally. Don’t worry soon you will see . You want be able to hide ,even in Montana .

It just chaps my ass after all the research I have done that people ( like you can not or will not see our true enemies). When you make excuses for people who I know hate us I just don’t know. You remind me of white people who make excuses for Blacks and end up being beaten to death as they are walking home on our once safe streets. Happens every day. Look it up. Research it.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  BB
June 14, 2019 8:20 pm

Pro tip, if you want to make a point then provide the research it doesn’t work to just tell me to do the research. I don’t even watch the embedded video’s in these articles, usually a waste of time. So make a point, back it up with some data, a link to an article and I am always happy to read and respond. Always curious though that when challenged the “haters” can’t ever really point at something that is relevant and never ever will let us know what the appropriate response should be.

Eg Jews killed 30M in Russia…really? Let’s assume that is true, so what should we do about that BB? Crickets……because a) you know its BS and b) you lack the conviction of your own babbling to provide any answers. You are just a feckless internet show off, mostly trying to impress yourself I suppose.

The jews, blacks, beaners, sand niggers, slopes, slants and frogs, wops, wasps whatever…..never did worse to you than you apparently have done to yourself.

This is the angriest dog in the world, driven by anger into a state of rigor mortis! That’s what I think of when you asshats spout off…..zero conscious thought just raw anger and emotion…..which I think means you turned in human card…….

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TC
TC
  Martel's Hammer
June 14, 2019 10:36 pm

For an angry simpleton who knows nothing about nothing, it sure seems like BB got under your skin, huh?

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  TC
June 15, 2019 12:10 am

Not at all, I am toying with him much like a cat with a very inebriated mouse. Not all that fun but it will do for a small distraction. Yomamajimmybillybob at least puts up some resistance. BB just folds like a cheap suit.

daddysteve
daddysteve
  Martel's Hammer
June 15, 2019 1:28 pm

Are statistics a conspiracy? The tribe seems just a tiny bit over-represented in positions of political and monetary power.

Unaffiliated
Unaffiliated
June 14, 2019 8:45 pm

I read once how friendships should be about something. After thinking about it, I realized it is true for the most part.

Friendship forms around commonalities.

Do we spend time with friends? Or do friendships form with those who we’re around most of the time?

It’s probably why we’re friends with those who we work and do business with on a daily basis. Otherwise it’s book clubs, social or charitable organizations, church, cooking classes, hobbies, et al.

And within those entities we’re drawn to those with whom we have the most in common.

Does it apply to the internet? Well, does it?

Maybe. Maybe not.