AGW Emulators at Wal Mart

Guest Post by Eric Peters

Here’s a video of an encounter between a man who had just purchased some items at Wal Mart and store employees enraged at him for refusing to submit to their “policy” requiring every customer to prove they aren’t a thief by submitting to a degrading post-purchase inspection of their items and cross-check with a receipt.

The “policy” is offensive in the extreme as it presumes guilt in the absence of any reason for suspicion and thus upends the doctrine Americans once revered about being presumed innocent until proved guilty.

But “policy” is not law – and these Wal Mart cretins need to learn the difference. They cannot enforce “policy” on anyone.

March right past the sow or frau – or whomever – and let ’em screech. If they touch you, it’s assault and you have every right to defend yourself.

But people – most people – are so cowed these days that they will submit to almost any authority, even that of Wal Mart checkers.

Not me.

I ignore them and just keep going. I hear their “sir! sir!” and treat it with the contempt it merits.

I don’t give a damn that they are “just doing their job.” Their job is cretinous – and I will not enable the normalization of cretinhood. These checkers don’t have to work at a place that – by “policy” treats people as presumptive criminals, just as the blue-suited cretins at the airport don’t have to take jobs that involve conditioning their fellow citizens to being treated like presumptive “terrorists” – in order to get them ready to be treated like inmates in a prison.

These people are scum of the earth. They are exactly the sort of people who – in earlier times and other places – kept the NKVD or the Stasi well-informed on the doings of their neighbors; who served as camp guards and block leaders in another place, another time.

Unless we want to re-experience such times, people such as this must be treated with the derision ad contempt they so richly deserve.

They’re not even worth fish heads – served cold, old and crunchy.

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Misfit71
Misfit71
July 1, 2019 9:02 am

They started doing this $hit in our local Sams Club – the person at the door can be watching you scan your items at self checkout then after you approach the door to exit – instead of just glancing at your receipt and putting a mark on it another person breaks out the scanner and rescans all your stuff – creating a huge line at the door while you wait for everyone to be scanned

Yep – let that sink in – you scanned your own stuff and paid – then they have someone else scan your stuff – not only is this duplicitous work its simply asinine – wasting mine and everyone else’s time when I just wanted to get my stuff – checkout and roll – so we have decided to not use our commercial account nor personal one anymore at Sams

They were already doing the same thing at both the local walmarts for the past couple months – after a few weeks of this dealing with lines to self checkout then lines to exit the building with someone scanning shit after we did the self checkout and bagged our own items guess where we no longer shop…

One if by land two if by sea
One if by land two if by sea
  Misfit71
July 1, 2019 10:54 am

THEIR store THEIR rules.
If you don’t want to comply you are welcome to shop elsewhere or be banned from THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY and be arrested for trespass if you come back with no intention of following their policy.
Have a nice day dumbass.

Misfit71
Misfit71
  One if by land two if by sea
July 1, 2019 11:17 am

You must be one of the door scanners.

Posts like yours is supporting evidence the average IQ is getting watered down – posters like you and your simple lack of reading comprehension

No where did I state I did not follow their rules, nor did I display a lack of comprehension in regards to their store their rules. I also stated I would be shopping elsewhere in my post – I did follow the rules for the weeks I shopped, experienced a poor shopping experience and realized I had better places to shop going forward. I followed along with their changes, till I didn’t.

One if by land two if by sea
One if by land two if by sea
  Misfit71
July 1, 2019 11:24 am

Relax, relax. My comment was directed towards the author specifically not really you.
I just used your comment as a springboard to get my comment in the front of the list.
It’s not personal, just a tactic to cut in line.
Sorry if any hurt feelings.

Blue
Blue
July 1, 2019 9:13 am

It is dehumanizing. The crap Wall-mart sells is all from China and made cheap. I have not shopped at Wall-mart in years. Besides selling cheap Chinese products the customers and employees are always top notch, I would rather pay a little more and buy from a locally owned business.

America needs to wake up, the number one way to voice your opinion is with your money.

Mygirl...Maybe
Mygirl...Maybe
  Blue
July 1, 2019 11:48 am

So who is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to shop at walmart? No one. I’d love to frequent local business except there aren’t any that sell what I need. Home Depot? Mom and Pop can’t compete, the trend is online shopping and many reasons for that, number one being avoidance of the lowlifes that frequent the stores.
California no longer prosecutes theft under $950. Dallas just instigated the same thing except $750. Essentially a store can be robbed blind and they have no recourse for legal actions.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mygirl...Maybe
July 1, 2019 3:07 pm

So tell me please, are you going to agree to a body search as well when you shop at Walmart. After all, you may have stuffed something up your ass to avoid paying. Are you really THAT STUPID!!!!!

Mygirl...Maybe
Mygirl...Maybe
  Anonymous
July 1, 2019 4:10 pm

You are real good at the hyperbole….so, tell me, how much have you shoplifted? Is your asshole that enlarged that you can shovel merchandise up it? Are you aware of how much is lost in revenue due to shoplifting or are you one of those special snowflakes who only cares about themselves? Did you miss the part about DA’s no longer prosecuting? Are you so stupid that you lack reading comprehension? And, Asshole, who’s holding a gun to your head and forcing you to shop anywhere? poor baby, we get it, you’re put out and don’t want to be inconvenienced….you’re special, aren’t you?

Mygirl...Maybe
Mygirl...Maybe
  Anonymous
July 1, 2019 4:28 pm

Hey, special snowflake, lil’ Anonymous Asshole, here’s some shoplifting in action….guess it’s ok for people to steal shit. right? Butt ignorance is apparently a hallmark of yours or….you’ve been caught shoplifting yourself….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nAU0wAJtAg

Ed
Ed
July 1, 2019 9:13 am

Its a private business, if you do not want to be subjected to that dont shop there. I suppose if you do not want to comply with their policy they could photograph you and refuse you entry next time. Some of the food stores by me do that with previous shoplifters. They are not allowed entry . I would shop somewhere else if it annoys you.

James
James
  Ed
July 1, 2019 9:34 am

While it is a private business once I pay for those goods they are mine,and,my private business,and,they want to refuse entry if I even bothered to go back again that is fine.I have not had to deal with this BS(yet)but would also keep on walking and if touched file suit.They think I stole something call the cops,otherwise,I am leaving.

MMinLamesa
MMinLamesa
  James
July 1, 2019 4:56 pm

If you believe you will be violated by someone checking to make sure you’ve paid for the merchandise you’re walking out with, then GO SOMEWHERE FUCKING ELSE.

LORD. are you fucking terminally stupid?

yahsure
yahsure
July 1, 2019 9:21 am

A whiner is what the author is.

e.d. ott
e.d. ott
July 1, 2019 9:36 am

If scumbags didn’t take the liberty of miscounting their self-checked items on purpose this wouldn’t be a problem.
It takes less than a minute to prove your honesty by presenting a receipt and get an apology.
I suppose no one taught this author how to de-escalate a potential confrontation or check his anger issues at the door. In my opinion, his attitude sucks and people make mistakes.
Deal with it or, or gee … use a fricking line with a human checker.
Ass.

Jackarlope
Jackarlope
  e.d. ott
July 1, 2019 10:11 am

A local Walmart in an older part of town, just recently shut down the self-checkout kiosks. The Walmart in the newer upscale part of town still has the self-Checkout lanes open.

Dutchman
Dutchman
  Jackarlope
July 1, 2019 10:24 am

Problem is the sign on the self check outs – usually reads ’10 items of less’ Kneegrows can’t read / don’t care, shuffle though the self checkout, one was even on the phone, can’t figure out how to pay.

niebo
niebo
  e.d. ott
July 1, 2019 10:31 am

BUT they do check receipts and stuff from people who use human checkers, too, (or did at one time) even at midnight on a Tuesday when the security guards have nothing else to do but WATCH the checkout girl check you out. Been there, done that, and I was with a friend, hanging out with him while he shopped. He took most of the items and had all kinds of stuff, a pillow, a box fan, vacuum bags, etc. in a cart, and I got the breakables/squashables, eggs, bread, toilet paper, etc. I was also wearing a knitted cap because it was wintertime. My buddy was slightly ahead of me, and not wearing a knitted cap; the guard let him slide but asked me for my receipt, even put his HAND on my cart to stop me. I looked at the guy like the fucktard he was because HE WATCHED THE TRANSACTION and KNEW I DID NOT PAY and pointed at my buddy who was almost out the door and said, “He has the receipt”. The guy stopped him with a yell, and he looked so butt-hurt about having to do so, it was funny. My buddy never went back to that particular store, because he had observed what I did; the guy watched the entire transaction and was just being a dick.

I have not shopped at wally world since shortly after that but for another reason: they have zero respect for anyone’s time. Sunday afternoon, they have 40 registers, 5 of them open, and after wandering a store the size of an airport, everybody gets stuck in line for 45 minutes. Last time it happened to me was the last time. Whatever pittance I might have saved, they took back in my time EVERY time I shopped their EVER. Haven’t been back since, which was 2008, long before they started facial-scans of everybody and recording all the transactions/
receipts, etc, in order to correlate who you are with what you buy. No, thank you.

There are a lot of smaller competitors where you can go in and be out in five minutes without being presumed guilty.

Mygirl...Maybe
Mygirl...Maybe
  e.d. ott
July 1, 2019 11:44 am

The down voters are either actual or potential shoplifters or they never owned a business where shoplifting was a problem or else they are incapable of voting with their wallet and not shopping at places where receipts are checked. Which is it?

niebo
niebo
  Mygirl...Maybe
July 1, 2019 2:52 pm

Maybe some are in “those” towns where wally world put everyone else out of business, so they have no choice but to shop there . . . and hate it?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mygirl...Maybe
July 1, 2019 3:13 pm

Good grief MyGirlie, you really are that stupid. Prime example of why some women should never be in a position of authority. You either stand up for your rights or you deserve no rights. If they are going to search you on exit, there should be clear signage stating so before you enter the store. I sincerely hope they do a cavity search on you.

Mygirl...Maybe
Mygirl...Maybe
  Anonymous
July 1, 2019 4:16 pm

Stand up for your rights? I repeat, for you I’ll type s-l-o-w-l-y, who forced you to shop at Walmart? Cavity search? Whoo boy, I do believe you have been caught thieving your bad self….or do you have this thing for smuggling drugs?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mygirl...Maybe
July 1, 2019 5:29 pm

Good God woman, you left your brain somewhere. Go see if you can find it.

Mygirl...Maybe
Mygirl...Maybe
  Anonymous
July 1, 2019 6:40 pm

Would be great if you could post some proof of your assertions regarding strip searches conducted by Walmart personnel..Strawman much? You been searched on exit? Strip searched? Cops can strip search you, Walmart would have a HUGE liability if that was allowed to happen. Again, lets’ have some proof, some documentation otherwise, and I repeat YOU DON’T HAVE TO SHOP AT WALMART….sheesh, talk about stupid.

Southern Sage
Southern Sage
July 1, 2019 9:45 am

Sorry, folks. I agree with every word about how offensive this is. I sure do. But let me give you the other side of the story. My daughter, a college student, worked at a nice young woman’s clothing store in a nice shopping center. She and her companions at the store had to stay constantly on their toes because packs of feral blacks – they were ALWAYS black – would invade the store and overwhelm the staff, walking out with armloads of clothing. The store wisely prohibited the shop girls from intervening. Instead, they had a radio system to call shopping center security and from time to time the thieves would be caught. My daughter was previously a liberal who reprimanded her dad for warning her to be cautious among blacks. Now she talks like a Grand Wizard.
I am sure Walmart and the others do not do this because they like to bother paying customers. They do it because they have to. We have gotten to the point where blacks and many members of the white trash tribe will simply walk out of a store with stolen merchandise. Guess who ends up paying for this? Ordinary paying customers like Mr. Peters and me.
I live in a very upscale place with a beautiful mall right across the road. Now the stores are closing because it has become a gathering place for young blacks who ride the bus into our area. Shoplifting has literally driven the stores to close.
Mr. Peters can be indignant if he wants to be and talk about “innocent until proven guilty”. The sad truth is that we are living in a post-moral world inhabited by savages. Don’t blame a minimum wage Walmart employee for trying to do their miserable job.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Southern Sage
July 1, 2019 10:03 am

We had a major grocery store close due to constant theft. The store’s term was called “Shrinkage”.

Realist
Realist
  Southern Sage
July 1, 2019 4:18 pm

My daughter worked at Kroger for 6 years and had to deal with all kinds of “diversity”. She went in as a left leaning kid but exited with her eyes wide open. Best education ever.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Southern Sage
July 1, 2019 5:51 pm

Southern you fail to grasp the idea that you cannot just randomly search someone just because you want to. If there is reasonable suspicion, then maybe so. that is what the 4th amendment is all about. To carry it further, why not just randomly stop anyone on the street and search them because they “might” be breaking the law. All they have to do is post a sign on their door that they are going to do the search, and then you are aware before you enter the store and you are giving permission by entering. It is not that hard to stop thieves but wally world will not spend the money on the personnel required to do it. Incidentally, their yearly loss from shoplifting is just slightly over 1% per year, a small amount by retail standards.

Steve
Steve
July 1, 2019 9:45 am

Theft is a $ Billion dollar crime. Those people are paid to add a small barrier to those with theft on their mind. Christ, is it that big a deal? It’s because of this wonderful diversity that this crap exists. Play along and do a better job of picking the hills you want to die on. The poor schmucks make minimum wage and just want to go home at the of the day like you-with minimal hassles.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Steve
July 1, 2019 5:57 pm

It is only a big deal if you care about you rights against unreasonable search and seizure, as guaranteed by the Constitution that you have apparently never read.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 1, 2019 10:06 am

The answer is simple, don’t shop at walmarts. we even have our Friday funnies where we laugh at all the looser who go to this store.

The whole enterprise is based on maximizing profits based on defects in the supply chain: Refrig Truck breaks down on side of road with load of frozen meat, meat thaws, should get written off as a loss, but, no, there is always a low bid -wallys is having a sale on chicken this week.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
July 1, 2019 10:08 am

The last time I checked, all of the property within the walls of Walmart is THEIR’S until such time as both parties freely acknowledge that money has appropriately been exchanged and “title” has changed hands. Because of the massive theft problem, they have chosen this route as a means to confirm the accuracy and truthfulness of that exchange.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  MrLiberty
July 1, 2019 1:12 pm

Pretty sure when they issue you a receipt that is the execution of the contract.

They may be able to enforce some kind of clause where they tell you in advance all goods leaving the premises must be checked. That is likely a complex legal issue.

Hollywood Rob
Hollywood Rob
July 1, 2019 10:24 am

I guess we could try this.

Dutchman
Dutchman
July 1, 2019 10:28 am

I don’t shop at stores that check your receipt – except Costco. Costco doesn’t inspect your merchandise – they just give a casual glance.

deKuntier
deKuntier
  Dutchman
July 1, 2019 10:54 am

Yessir. From Costco’s Membership T&Cs: “Costco reserves the right to inspect any container, backpack, briefcase, etc., upon entering or leaving the warehouse.” https://www.costco.com/member-privileges-conditions.html

Normally, the “Exit Greeter,” runs a Sharpie over my receipt and barely glances at my cart o’crap. Nice to earn, what, $12-$14/hour to Sharpie a receipt!

Dutchman
Dutchman
  deKuntier
July 1, 2019 12:06 pm

People steal shit. They mark the receipt – that way – if you come back in with the receipt, and try to steal the same item you bought previously – they will see it’s an old receipt.

I know a manager at HD. People will buy a $300 Milwaukee tool. Then they come back, and steal the identical tool. Later they come back and get a $300 refund.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  Dutchman
July 1, 2019 1:41 pm

yep,i had to buy a combo gfc outlet/switch last week,which is fairly rare–
$35.00,when i grumbled about the price the guy in the electrical dept told me that theft is one of the drivers of depot’s price increases–last year they had far in excess of a billion in theft–

niebo
niebo
  TampaRed
July 1, 2019 3:16 pm

What is saddest about the theft issue is that a LOT of it is done by employees. A relative of mine was in the security-system business in the 80’s/90’s, and was often called to oversee/troubleshoot repairs to equipment -more often than not damaged by employees before they executed a five-finger discount. She used to laugh about it because one of her techs was very skilled at installing hidden cameras that only management were aware of; the clock-punchers would disable what they saw . . . while being recorded by another camera, doing it.

Anyway, according to her, easily half of her sales/installs were for A) non-retail businesses whose owners were concerned about theft-by-employee (equipment/tools) or B) service businesses (salons, restaurants) with similar concerns but which also had cash registers and were at risk of armed robbery.

e.d. ott
e.d. ott
  deKuntier
July 1, 2019 2:06 pm

They probably just run the marker over without much of a glance because the registers are operated by people and the inventory is deducted from stock automatically by scanners. I used to work at Costco over ten years ago as a seasonal hire and know how it works.
There is no “self checkout” BS at the Costco I frequent, but the lame-ass BJ’s has it AND they still use paper coupons to manage discounts, something Costco has programmed into their scanning registers.

thetruthonly
thetruthonly
  Dutchman
July 1, 2019 12:06 pm

A small price to pay to buy cheap liquor. The 30 seconds they could possibly take up they make up with very efficient checkouts at the cash register, considering the volume and oddity of merchandise.

Miles Long
Miles Long
  thetruthonly
July 1, 2019 3:11 pm

Have some more of that Banker’s Club Vodka. It makes you write better. Honest.

LibertyToad
LibertyToad
July 1, 2019 10:58 am

Actually, they do have a right to do that. If people don’t like it then don’s shop there–let the market decide.

P.S. “enraged at him” is poor grammar.

Donkey Balls
Donkey Balls
July 1, 2019 11:09 am

I was in a walmart yesterday. I noticed a screen above me head. Every time I looked at the screen, a green square appeared around my head (on screen) and the word “Recording” flashed on the screen.

1984

e.d. ott
e.d. ott
  Donkey Balls
July 1, 2019 2:10 pm

Almost every store has loss prevention surveillance cameras. If you can’t spot them without the monitors being displayed, you ain’t looking hard enough.

richard morris
richard morris
July 1, 2019 11:43 am

Most of the Wally World employees have an IQ of 50. That’s the reason there are 50 check out aisles but only 5 clerks….most of them are to stupid to scan and hit enter .

BB
BB
  richard morris
July 1, 2019 12:00 pm

Well Yumbo and Southern Sage are spot on. It is mostly young blacks and other third world types who will steal anything they can get their hands on. We were once a high trust Society that has been destroyed thanks to Civil Rights and immigration . Blacks and people of color now know they probably won’t be held accountable for their behavior.
Now you have police telling these young people they will no longer respond to shoplifting . This is just the beginning of Woe .

NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR
July 1, 2019 12:12 pm

The writer must live among poor people. The rich liberal elites in my town demanded that Trader Joe’s fire all of their security and remove all of their cameras so as to allow the street shitters to steal with impunity. I know this to be true because my daughter is a manager at the store. They are not allowed to even speak with the people robbing the store blind less they offend the rich liberal elites that shop there.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 1, 2019 12:27 pm

The policy started because Sam Walton noticed some stores had a significantly lower unexplained inventory losses at year end then others…massively lower.

He investigated, the correlation? Those stores that had ‘Greeters’ who cut the ‘shoplifting ‘Walkouts’ down by 95% all had massively lower inventory losses from one of the most costly shoplifting tactics…WALKING OUT…with an entire cart of merchandise while avoiding the registers. The stores that had put an employee greeting customers in and especially out (with some Loss Prevention training) stopped 95% of the ‘Walkouts’.

My personal record in a ‘Walkout’ apprehension in a big box retail store (not Wal-Mart) was a little over $750.00 in 1987 dollars. Both the girls doing it were underage, 14 and 16. However, there were wrinkles. It was the day before Christmas Eve and the store was jammed, the mother was watching them weave through the piggy back cash registers and was the mastermind. I had seen them in the store together earlier with a full cart…but didn’t catch them until their third trip hours later.

When they weaved their way outside the store without paying the last time and were outside they started giggling but then I popped up, identified myself and asked for their receipt…the giggling stopped.

After I brought them into the office (with the door left open and a female cashier witness sitting with them) I grilled them finding two well coached thieves wanting the one girl’s mother, who I paged and who showed up SHOCKED her daughter and her friend had done this! She was going to whisk them home and severely punish her daughter and call the other Mom. It was all a BS pre-arranged act.

I called the cops pressing charges…explained what I suspected…eventually the Mother agreed to open the trunk of her Cadillac (I wanted a Detective on the scene and she finally relented) and lo and behold the trunk was loaded with merchandise and clothes from two previous ‘Walkout’ trips (that I later found on camera).

This was in small city of 70,000 in Texas. Here is the kicker I found out in court the mother was a school teacher and the father was a cop! I pressed it all the way to a grand jury with video evidence of the mother meeting the girls in-between Walkouts with full carts, pointing and coaching them how to weave out in-between the piggy back jammed cash register lanes.

UNDERSTANDING WHO THE AMERICAN SHOPLIFTERS ARE

FACTS:

• More than $13 billion worth of goods are stolen from retailers each year. That’s more than $35 million per day.

• There are approximately 27 million shoplifters (or 1 in 11 people) in our nation today. More than 10 million people are caught shoplifting in the last five years.

• Shoplifting affects more than the offender. It overburdens the police and the courts, adds to a store’s security expenses, costs consumers more for goods, costs communities lost dollars in sales taxes and hurts children and families.

• Shoplifters steal from all types of stores including department stores, specialty shops, supermarkets, drug stores, discounters, music stores, convenience stores and thrift shops.

• There is no profile of a typical shoplifter. Men and women shoplift about equally as often.

• Approximately 25 percent of shoplifters are kids, 75 percent are adults. 55 percent of adult shoplifters say they started shoplifting in their teens.

• Many shoplifters buy and steal merchandise in the same visit. Shoplifters commonly steal from $2 to $200 per incident depending upon the type of store and item(s) chosen.

• Shoplifting is often not a premeditated crime. 73 percent of adult and 72 percent of juvenile shoplifters don’t plan to steal in advance.

• Shoplifters say they are caught an average of only once in every 48 times they steal. They are turned over to the police 50 percent of the time.

• Approximately 3 percent of shoplifters are “professionals” who steal solely for resale or profit as a business. These include drug addicts who steal to feed their habit, hardened professionals who steal as a life-style and international shoplifting gangs who steal for profit as a business. “Professional” shoplifters are responsible for 10 percent of the total dollar losses.

• The vast majority of shoplifters are “non-professionals” who steal, not out of criminal intent, financial need or greed but as a response to social and personal pressures in their life.

• The excitement generated from “getting away with it” produces a chemical reaction resulting in what shoplifters describe as an incredible “rush” or “high” feeling. Many shoplifters will tell you that this high is their “true reward,” rather than the merchandise itself.

• Drug addicts, who have become addicted to shoplifting, describe shoplifting as equally addicting as drugs.

• 57 percent of adults and 33 percent of juveniles say it is hard for them to stop shoplifting even after getting caught.

• Most non-professional shoplifters don’t commit other types of crimes. They’ll never steal an ashtray from your house and will return to you a $20 bill you may have dropped. Their criminal activity is restricted to shoplifting and therefore, any rehabilitation program should be “offense-specific” for this crime.

• Habitual shoplifters steal an average of 1.6 times per week.

“Information and statistics provided by the National Association for Shoplifting Prevention (NASP) a nonprofit organization providing research-based shoplifting prevention initiatives including education, prevention, justice and rehabilitation programs.

PS: All shoplifting costs are passed on to you the honest consumer (unless your one of the 1 out of 11)…probably now close to a grand a year per family.

PSS: There are policies and customer sensitivity training programs to stop ‘Walkouts’ cold without offending the vast majority who are honest. I know that for a fact because I wrote one for a 10,000 employee retail company.

Respect, polite tact, and diplomacy can be taught, trained and ingrained…and if not you discipline or terminate the assholes who abuse the clear written policy or are rude about it. I always screened 95% of them out first…then got rid of the 5% after the first investigated complaint proved they couldn’t meet the common sense respect, polite tact, and diplomacy standard.

mark

e.d. ott
e.d. ott
  Anonymous
July 1, 2019 2:16 pm

Thank you for that comment. Dipsticks who don’t get it will still be down-voting what they don’t like, anyhoo.

niebo
niebo
  Anonymous
July 1, 2019 3:27 pm

Glad to read you again!

niebo
niebo
  Anonymous
July 1, 2019 3:30 pm

And do you know any stats re employee theft?; my comment above is about such but all I have is “war” stories from a relative. Just curious and thank you!

mark
mark
  niebo
July 1, 2019 5:17 pm

Thanks niebo, if there is a subject I know something about from experience…it is this one.

Employee theft in retail is more of a loss then shoplifting and in all businesses is a massive problem. It breaks down something like this for most retailers:

RETAIL MERCHANDISE LOSSES:
• 45% Employee Theft
• 35% Customer Shoplifting
• 12% Vendor Delivery/Credit Theft or Fraud (Intentional not errors)
• 8% Paperwork Errors

Shoplifter’s loss per incident is a fraction of that of employee theft…about $40.00 per theft compared to about $800.00 per theft. I have investigated theft losses from C-stores to big box retail and ran Loss Prevention stores/districts/regions/divisions in the field for seven retail companies, plus two Distribution Centers…employees are always the real threat.

Here are some general stats on employee theft that I believe are accurate.

HOW MANY EMPLOYEES STEAL?
The breakdown is:
• 21% of employees will never steal no matter the opportunity (100% honest 100% of the time)

• 13% of employees will steal at every opportunity (They are incorrigible and can never be trusted)

• 66% of employees may steal if they see the 13% doing it and getting away with it or if the 13% are caught or exposed and there are no real consequences they may join in. They are not committed thieves but can become copy cats – they are relatively easy to deter through Theft Deterrent Marketing (TDM) tactics by reducing the OPPORTUNITY for undetected theft, both real and perceived.

WHY DO EMPLOYEES STEAL?
In 1999 Michael G Kessler & Associates, LTD an international investigative and forensic accounting firm published a national study on employee theft concluding that in relation to internal theft there were three major reasons or rationalizations that the two types of dishonest and potentially dishonest employees (the 13% and the 66%) use when stealing from their employer. I have added in some of my own experiences and industry knowledge to the stats.

• 49% steal out of greed
– To get something for nothing

• 43% steal out of vindictiveness to get even for perceived poor treatment
– Perceived being the key word as too many Americans see themselves as entitled victims

• 8% steal out of need
– Financial desperation is often thought to be the most common motive – but it is the least

In companies with lax or weak controls up to 79% of employees (the 13% & the 66%) might be stealing from their employer.

Companies of all types and sizes go belly up because of unstopped employee theft, fraud and business abuse all the time.

I fulfilled a lifelong ambition and became an independent Loss Prevention gumshoe…hired gun (Paladin, Paladin where do you roam) from 2000 to 2015 working in about 80 companies in 27 states specializing in investigating dishonest employees (the 13%) then closing the case (with hard evidence) with an interrogation and a clean ending (never had liability one time) with either Civil Restitution and termination or the perp walk and court ordered restitution.

I also handled bullies, slugs, lazy assholes and ate alive the cocky ‘catch me if you can’ young punk types. I also used a rock solid Performance Improvement Plan (PIP) on the types in this paragraph if you were a problem and I didn’t have time for a real ass kicking…I just managed you out…strike one, strike two, strike three…all fast balls at 125 MPH over the HR plate.

I developed interconnected programs to scare the crap out of the 66% so they fly straight. They are easy if you know how to get into…and rent a ‘risk vs. reward’ space in their head. It’s called theft Deterrence Marketing (TDM) but scaring the crap out of them with a few perp walks works too.

I also cultivated the 21% who would give me inside leads on the 13% and 66%. Honest people hate thieves and will turn them in if you develop real trust with them. I was also a big Confidential Hotline guy as well (they work) and for the right price I have had blood relatives call the hotline turning in kin.

It was a killing field for a Paladin…I had a blast!

niebo
niebo
  mark
July 2, 2019 1:48 am

NICE! The “war” stories I heard were similar, that employers were more worried about “insiders”, but I had no real numbers ’til now. Enlightening and SAD at the same time. I remembered that you were a “private dick” but had it in my head that you hunted fraudsters, so I was thinking white-collar, insurance/disability/workman’s comp type stuff . . . challenging but not all that fun. But, no . . . sounds fun.

🙂 Thanks muchly!

IPNW
IPNW
July 1, 2019 12:43 pm

Simple solution. Don’t shop at that piece of shit, Hebe-owned store that sells cheap Chinese crap and employs useless idiots with IQ’s of 50 or less. Problem solved.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  IPNW
July 1, 2019 1:38 pm

when did the waltons convert to judaism?

mark
mark
  TampaRed
July 1, 2019 7:55 pm

I think it was after John Boy fell in love with the curvy (rich) shiksa…Tampa…how ya gonna keep’em up on the mountain once they stuped a rich shiksa?

TampaRed
TampaRed
  mark
July 1, 2019 9:49 pm

smartass,
when’s the new house gonna be finished,i wanna come antifa it?

Mark Manney
Mark Manney
  TampaRed
July 1, 2019 10:17 pm

….

EL Chuco
EL Chuco
  mark
July 2, 2019 12:56 am

Shtupped

mark
mark
  EL Chuco
July 2, 2019 10:20 am

You crack me up EC, I don’t think John Boy cared how you spell it…he was busy doing the Jewish version of the SS…Shtupn the Shiksa!

Schtupor shtup [shtoo p] SHOW IPA Slang: Vulgar.

Verb (used with object), schtupped, schtup·ping. So have sexual intercourse with.

Verb (used without object), schtupped, schtup·ping. To engage in sexual intercourse.

ORIGIN OF SCHTUP
From the Yiddish word shtupn literally, to push (in), press.

smartass

mark
mark
  mark
July 2, 2019 1:02 pm

Hey EC ole buddy…I signed ‘smartass’ in reference to Tampa correctly labeling me…not at you.

Dennis
Dennis
July 1, 2019 3:48 pm

The stores could post prominently displayed signs indicating that due to the high level of shop lifting all receipts and merchandise will be inspected prior to leaving the store. I think most people could deal with that or if they didn’t like it go elsewhere and avoid a confrontation.

Mustang
Mustang
July 1, 2019 4:29 pm

Haven’t been to a Wallyworld in 4 years. I shop at our local Dollar General.

Doug
Doug
July 1, 2019 5:26 pm

One time, I checked out of a Walmart using a cashier. I had three pillows in the basket but had put all the other items on the cashier belt. The cashier said, “don’t worry, I’ll scan the pillows” The lady at the exit checked the cart and found a $12 electronic meat thermometer not on my receipt. It was under the pillows and I had forgotten. God, I was so embarrassed!!

My experience is that in 98 out of 100 times, they just let middle-aged white people through without checking at all. The checkers know who’s committing the crimes and it ain’t middle aged white guys.

In a similar way, TSA only needs to scrutinize Africans or persons named “Mohammed” or “Sulaiman.” rather than spend $20 Billion per year on a charade of Political Correctness –a charade of “we’re all the same” bullshite!!

Prusmc
Prusmc
  Doug
July 1, 2019 10:07 pm

Actually, for all their criminality, Blacks are historically low air plane high jackets. Car jacking not so much.

niebo
niebo
  Prusmc
July 2, 2019 11:51 pm

That’s funny. Bigoted maybe, prejudicial, and mean-spirited in the worst kind of right-wing way (u fuquer) but funny enough that I have to clean chili out of my keyboard.

U fuquer

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
July 1, 2019 9:26 pm

Shoplifters should be publicly lashed until the skin peel off their backs in the store parking lots. I think that would cut the thievery .

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 1, 2019 9:42 pm

I have always resented this treatment and generally have not had to go thru a through check as I exit , I’m holding the receipt and my stuff the cashier or I bagged however I will not wait in line to exit when I’m finished for their just doing my job nonsense . I was told that once and my response is my company bills $85 to $100 per hour for my time so the meter is running pay up in cash or I’m on my way !
The guy is correct this is where the police state starts !

Theta JC
Theta JC
July 1, 2019 10:17 pm

About a year ago I asked the receipt checker (as I was entering the local WallyWorld store) what their policy was for stopping outgoing shoppers and was told that the check was made when there was unbagged merchandise in the shopping cart; I assume that would include larger merchandise such as a chaise lounge or even a bag of fertilizer.

The response made sense though I did not see anything posted that clearly explained the policy to incoming shoppers. Such a posting would be particularly useful if it were to explain a legal rationale for such a search (if such exists) and could even make the suggestion that if you don’t agree then don’t shop here-just like when you have a choice to accept-or not-the 17 pages of fine print t’s and c’s bullshit before you can enter many on-line sites for the first time.

After wading through all the arguments here for and against the practice I fail to see any mention of “probable cause”. I have never been stopped, but if I were I would demand the employee to show me probable cause for what I view as an illegal detention and continue walking out of the store. If they want to call the cops that would be fine with me, but a store employee best not attempt to prevent me from leaving unless they are also sworn law enforcement.

The company grosses well over $1 billion every day-if they want my business then they can figure out a way not to treat me like a criminal. Maybe they can get away with treating their suppliers and their employees like dog shit but they would be wise to re-think doing that to their customer. Shoplifting and employee theft are challenges for many retailers. I suspect some do better than others in lowering their losses, though pissing off your honest customers is not smart.

mark
mark
  Theta JC
July 1, 2019 10:33 pm

The ‘word’ years ago in retail Loss Prevention was Wal-Mart stopped all shoplifting confrontations for any item(s) $25.00 or less because of the false arrest law suits (usually a 5k settlement minimum) they were constantly paying and injuries to their employees (workmen’s comp) confronting shoplifters.

They focused on the big dollar hits from shoplifters like pro Booster Rings (Organized Retail Crime – ORC) and full cart Walkouts.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  mark
July 1, 2019 11:01 pm

not so mark,just a couple of years ago the local paper ran a series of articles on w’mart that were very negative because they tied up law enforcement,cost perps court fees/fines for small $ amount theft,etc.–

mark
mark
  TampaRed
July 2, 2019 9:47 am

Tampa,

Well, maybe they got hit with so many under $25 lifters they went back to busting everyone? My reference was many years ago, it’s a big company with regions that tend to develop individual regional policies depending on the VP running the regional show.

Having come up through the ranks and having managed hundreds of plainclothes store security personnel all over the country, I found a lot of them waste time with puppy low dollar armature lifters, you can easily spot impulse armatures through their telegraphed (I’m gonna shoplift!) body language. But, they will eat all your time – but you can also make money on them with Civil Restitution ($200.00 a pop) and avoid the police and the courts. I worked that side of it with them and in one company with well over 2,000 shoplifting apprehensions a year, we averaged between 200k and 250k in Civil Restitution payments. The CEO, CFO loved me for it!

However, I focused my people on high dollar professional booster apprehensions (quality) not low dollar apprehensions (quantity). The pros (mostly drug addicts) will kill you if you don’t shift them to easier retail targets. They are water running downhill into the stores of least resistance. You have to make your stores the known tough/wrong company to hit.

Once you get into Organized Retail Crime (ORC) you realize the real dollars are not just taking down the boosters, but going after who they sell to for .25 or maybe .40 cents on the dollar, Re-pack Houses, Flea Market Stalls, Pawn Shops. I’ve taken down all three (and their owners) in reverse Buy-Busts working with Police Detectives and Boosters I’ve busted and flipped to basically be double agents. Most of the Boosters are drug addicts and for a plea deal and some cash they would betray their Mother and throw in their Father for free.

Once in Atlanta we identified a Booster Ring in the store, let them hit us, and then followed them to the house they all shacked up in. After getting all the license plates from their three cars and some photographs and eventually background criminal records on everyone identified. We brought it all to a Detective, racked up the evidence then busted the entire ring – with a home raid filled with evidence from retailers all over the city all together.

Retail Loss Prevention can be challenging, exciting, pays well once you advance to the District level and on up…but it can also be a lot of FUN!

niebo
niebo
  mark
July 2, 2019 11:59 pm

And . . . ” U can screw over the retail . . . but take care that the retail doesn’t screw over you.”

Sun Tzoo

niebo
niebo
  mark
July 3, 2019 12:00 am

Sorry . . . I been drinkin’. Not sorry for the comment but that I actually hit ‘send’

mark
mark
  niebo
July 3, 2019 5:21 pm

Shoot niebo, I didn’t take any offense…if they gave breathalyzers for posting when drinking I’d have a stack of SUI’s (Sending under the influence).

Just wondering though…wasn’t Sun Tzoo a Chinese janitorial strategist, Taoist Zoo Keeper, and cleaning crew supervisor in the 6th century BC who is widely recognized for his work authoring: ‘The Art of Cleaning the Cages’, a treatise on tactically mopping the zoo animal’s cage floor (also known as: The Thirteen Animal ‘Piss and Poop’ Chapters?)

Grin…grin…smile…laugh…

WDS
WDS
July 2, 2019 12:02 pm

I’ll be brutally honest here. I can go in to WallyWorld, pick up what I need, wait in line while Ms. I’mSoFine tries to remember her cashier training and glare at me for oppressing her peeps. I pay, smile and say thanks. She looks at her nails or her phone. I head to the door and am accosted by Ms. I’mSoFine’s cousin L-sha who announces the she NEEDS to see my receipt. My answer is the same every time. “it’s in one of those bags in the cart”. Then I just stand there and say nothing else. L-sha is confused, I haven’t fumbled thru the bags to retrieve it FOR her. She re-affirms her need to see the receipt and I reiterate she is welcome to find it on her own and just stand there. she gives up and walks away probably to update her ZuckBook and complain about WyPipo.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 2, 2019 1:25 pm

here’s what you guys should really be worried about–
go return something to lowes,home depot,or the other big retailers–they will swipe your drivers license(a complete crock in itself,how dare the state give up info they require me to provide)–that info goes to a private company that checks your record for fraudulent returns-
how can they check your record if they aren’t keeping records on you?

https://www.theorganicprepper.com/everyones-got-a-surveillance-score-and-it-can-cost-you-big-money/

mark
mark
  Anonymous
July 2, 2019 7:49 pm

Oh yea Anon, like everything else the reason ‘they’ start compiling data sounds justified, as ‘Refund Fraud’ is a form of retail theft that can be much more rewarding for the thieves then shoplifting with much, much less risk, if you are a pro and know what you are doing. Refund Fraud Artists are some of the most cunning, bold, crafty thieves retailers constantly battle. Technology defiantly is in the retailers favor and cuts down on Refund Fraud.

BUT, that is how ‘they’ have herded U.S. into ‘their’ digital pen over the generations.

There is a problem, a threat, a crime, a mass shooting, a terrorist attack, GASP….a retail refund scam!

Guess what ‘they’ (in this case the retailers) have to do to fight it…that’s right…collect data and herd U.S. deeper and deeper into the Globalist digital data pit/pen.

Can you say: Coup de digital gras?

I’m not a Grey man…I’m ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ…so….they are coming sooner rather than later for me.

I have always been in favor of quick (and if necessary violent) exists…so maybe it will work out for both me and ‘them’.