THIS DAY IN HISTORY – Neil Armstrong walks on moon – 1969 – Or did he?

Via History.com

At 10:56 p.m. EDT, American astronaut Neil Armstrong, 240,000 miles from Earth, speaks these words to more than a billion people listening at home: “That’s one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.” Stepping off the lunar landing module Eagle, Armstrong became the first human to walk on the surface of the moon.

The American effort to send astronauts to the moon has its origins in a famous appeal President John F. Kennedy made to a special joint session of Congress on May 25, 1961: “I believe this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to Earth.” At the time, the United States was still trailing the Soviet Union in space developments, and Cold War-era America welcomed Kennedy’s bold proposal.

In 1966, after five years of work by an international team of scientists and engineers, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) conducted the first unmanned Apollo mission, testing the structural integrity of the proposed launch vehicle and spacecraft combination. Then, on January 27, 1967, tragedy struck at Kennedy Space Center in Cape Canaveral, Florida, when a fire broke out during a manned launch-pad test of the Apollo spacecraft and Saturn rocket. Three astronauts were killed in the fire.

Despite the setback, NASA and its thousands of employees forged ahead, and in October 1968, Apollo 7, the first manned Apollo mission, orbited Earth and successfully tested many of the sophisticated systems needed to conduct a moon journey and landing. In December of the same year, Apollo 8 took three astronauts to the dark side of the moon and back, and in March 1969 Apollo 9 tested the lunar module for the first time while in Earth orbit. Then in May, the three astronauts of Apollo 10 took the first complete Apollo spacecraft around the moon in a dry run for the scheduled July landing mission.

At 9:32 a.m. on July 16, with the world watching, Apollo 11 took off from Kennedy Space Center with astronauts Neil Armstrong, Edwin Aldrin Jr., and Michael Collins aboard. Armstrong, a 38-year-old civilian research pilot, was the commander of the mission. After traveling 240,000 miles in 76 hours, Apollo 11 entered into a lunar orbit on July 19. The next day, at 1:46 p.m., the lunar module Eagle, manned by Armstrong and Aldrin, separated from the command module, where Collins remained. Two hours later, the Eagle began its descent to the lunar surface, and at 4:18 p.m. the craft touched down on the southwestern edge of the Sea of Tranquility. Armstrong immediately radioed to Mission Control in Houston, Texas, a famous message: “The Eagle has landed.”

At 10:39 p.m., five hours ahead of the original schedule, Armstrong opened the hatch of the lunar module. As he made his way down the lunar module’s ladder, a television camera attached to the craft recorded his progress and beamed the signal back to Earth, where hundreds of millions watched in great anticipation. At 10:56 p.m., Armstrong spoke his famous quote, which he later contended was slightly garbled by his microphone and meant to be “that’s one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind.” He then planted his left foot on the gray, powdery surface, took a cautious step forward, and humanity had walked on the moon.

“Buzz” Aldrin joined him on the moon’s surface at 11:11 p.m., and together they took photographs of the terrain, planted a U.S. flag, ran a few simple scientific tests, and spoke with President Richard M. Nixon via Houston. By 1:11 a.m. on July 21, both astronauts were back in the lunar module and the hatch was closed. The two men slept that night on the surface of the moon, and at 1:54 p.m. the Eagle began its ascent back to the command module. Among the items left on the surface of the moon was a plaque that read: “Here men from the planet Earth first set foot on the moon–July 1969 A.D–We came in peace for all mankind.”

At 5:35 p.m., Armstrong and Aldrin successfully docked and rejoined Collins, and at 12:56 a.m. on July 22 Apollo 11 began its journey home, safely splashing down in the Pacific Ocean at 12:51 p.m. on July 24.

There would be five more successful lunar landing missions, and one unplanned lunar swing-by, Apollo 13. The last men to walk on the moon, astronauts Eugene Cernan and Harrison Schmitt of the Apollo 17 mission, left the lunar surface on December 14, 1972. The Apollo program was a costly and labor intensive endeavor, involving an estimated 400,000 engineers, technicians, and scientists, and costing $24 billion (close to $100 billion in today’s dollars). The expense was justified by Kennedy’s 1961 mandate to beat the Soviets to the moon, and after the feat was accomplished ongoing missions lost their viability.

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BB
BB

A whopping hell no and The Russians were in on it. It was all lies. They knew in 1961 no one could ever break through the Firmament. They hit the Firmament with about 60 nuclear weapons. There are videos on YouTube showing these weapons hitting the Firmament . They knew then Outer space was a lie. There is no Outer space. I let you guys do your on research.

One other thing….. ? roll …the earth is flat!

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer

You are a disgrace to consciousness.

gatsby1219
gatsby1219
Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

I assume he is just being sarcastic. Then again, there is always the old “ass of you and me” thing.

Leon Reyes
Leon Reyes

Hammer drops the hammer. Awesome!

Some Other Guy
Some Other Guy

Who gives a shit at this point if anyone stepped on the Moon 50 years ago? Either way it was just a giant PR stunt that cost American taxpayers billions. That was the only value of that whole endeavor – show the Russians that we could do it. No practical value whatsoever. NASA is not a legitimate function of government and should be abolished. If someone wants to go to the Moon, they should get together some capital, build the spacecraft and reap the benefits. Private enterprise, period. Focus of discussion should be on how not to allow the fucking government to rob citizens and waste money on nebulous projects in the future.

Leon Reyes
Leon Reyes

You, too, other guy, are a waste of space. You make BB sound like a genius.

Some Other Guy
Some Other Guy

Just sweep that mexican chip off of your shoulder, be more like a white man, not a negro. You’ll be much happier. I wish you the best of luck.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

Owen Benjamin, whose faith depends upon the earth being flat, says there are no such things as nuclear weapons. The films from Bikini Atoll etc are all faked.

aka.attrition
aka.attrition

Here’s a genuine question I would like to ask those who do not believe that NASA went to the moon; what proof would be sufficient to convince you, to satisfy you that they did? Or is there no proof possible?

Scarecrow
Scarecrow

Going back with continuous live feed. I’m no Moon landing denier, but I have wondered what plan B they had in case the film or the cameras they used failed in the temperature extremes there.

aka.attrition
aka.attrition

@Scarecrow

OK, good answer but that would not prove the current NASA claims. Also, couldn’t a denier still claim that the “live” feed of a new mission is faked too?

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer

The deniers are going to claim everything is faked……makes for an idiotic but (in their minds) logical argument.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Your kindergarten teacher would be proud of your reasoning skills.

BB
BB

Hammer Head , your Brainwashing is amazing to behold.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus

The original time stamped video, which mysteriously disappeared….

aka.attrition
aka.attrition

@pyrrhus

OK, but again someone can claim that could be faked too. If a claim can be made that everything we have ever seen is Hollywood fakery and special effects then a tape would also be called out as fake. The proof is going to have to be much stronger.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

The original video tape reels are being auctioned at Sotheby’s TODAY.

Nig
Nig

NASA made an extraordinary claim. The burden on proof is upon the entity making the extraordinary claim, not upon the population to disprove an event took place. If I tell you when I flap my arms I can fly, is the burden of proof on me to prove this or is it on you to disprove it?

The only thing NASA has sent into space is your imagination.

aka.attrition
aka.attrition

@Nig

“If I tell you when I flap my arms I can fly, is the burden of proof on me to prove this or is it on you to disprove it?”

I agree that the burden of proof of such a claim is on you. But you would then ask me what is the standard of proof I would accept as definitive? Would a photo do? Or some video? Or a third party independent witness? Or what? To which I would reply, in your example, show me you flying in front of me. So the burden of proof is on you but the standard of proof that I will accept is on me.

So the question remains; what proof would satisfy you.

Nig
Nig

The evidence is plenty to refute NASA’s claims, you just need to be able to logically think through what is being presented.
1. NASA claims with Apollo 11, 2 men walked on the moon, while the third man was orbiting the moon in the rocket at 17,500 miles per hour waiting for them to blast off then reconnect the LEM with the rocket. 17,500 miles per hour? That is 10 times the speed of a bullet. They can’t achieve those speeds in 2019, let alone in 1969. You honestly think the LEM was able to reconnect to the main rocket going 17,500 mph?
2. There is video footage of the LEM of Apollo 11 blasting off from the moon’s surface. How did the camera pan upward to follow the LEM as it ascended? Camera crew?
3. Rocketdyne, the company which manufactured the rocket and LEM, stated that the LEM had 10,000 pounds of thrust. Why is there no blast crater? The blast crater caused by the landing LEM would have been larger than the LEM itself. Why is there not a spec of dust on the LEM after it landed?
4. NASA claims space is a vacuum (how they know this is a topic for another debate). Do you think ignition and propulsion are possible in a vacuum? If you do, perhaps a quick physics refresher course is needed.
5. The “spacesuits” had Handelsblatt cameras mounted on the front. There was no view finder. How is every picture perfectly centered and focused? Perhaps try strapping a camera onto your chest and see how many pictures you can take perfectly centered and perfectly in focus.
6. The total number of minutes NASA claims to have been on the moon in all of its “missions” is roughly about 5000 minutes, yet there are almost 6000 photos taken while on the moon. That means someone was snapping a photo roughly every 50 seconds. Sounds plausible right? How was there time to ride the buggy, raise the flag, play golf?

I could go on for another hour, but you see the point. A video can be falsified, as can pictures. However physics and logic cannot.

aka.attrition
aka.attrition

@Nig

I understand all that you have written, many questions. But this misses the point of my post which is; what proof would you find acceptable and would convince you it happened? Or is there no proof possible?

Nig
Nig

Sure, let NASA provide the telemetry data for independent analysis.

aka.attrition
aka.attrition

@Nig

OK, of course that assumes NASA cannot manufacture fake but realistic data. I dont know if they could or not?

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

17,500 mph or whatever the actual speed is, is the speed of anything in orbit. The LEM once in orbit is also going 17,500 mph and the only thing that matters is the differential approach speed controlled by the retro rocket bursts.

Leon Reyes
Leon Reyes

Nig needs the refresher course in physics. Only girls are unable to do the mental calculus to catch a fly ball.

Anonymous
Anonymous

A telescope capable of seeing the footprints, the tire tracks of the moonbuggy, the moonbuggy itself, and the lower part of the lunar lander left behind.

aka.attrition
aka.attrition

@Anon

OK, so this is Pentro’s suggestion using the Hubble. Do you think that would satisfy even the most ardent moon landing deniers?

MrLiberty
MrLiberty

The Hubble may not be capable of doing that, but nonetheless, its “feed” still passes through government hands/computers, etc. Its not like there can EVER be a telescope that you can simply walk up to, put your eye against the eyepiece, and see any of that stuff. The Earth’s atmosphere, etc. simply makes it impossible. And governments lie, so I would never trust the feed.

aka.attrition
aka.attrition

@MrLiberty

So there is no proof possible that would convince you, in your opinion?

MrLiberty
MrLiberty

Too much government involvement in everything to extend any trust whatsoever.

aka.attrition
aka.attrition

@MrLiberty

OK, well that’s a straight up and valid answer. It does mean, of course, that we have a problem with being able to know things which they claim as truth, anything at all in any sphere, not just the moon.

I also dont trust government, any government. They have shown themselves untrustworthy time and time again. But what about all the various space-agencies, universities, aeronautic companies, militaries, etc. around the world, some in unfriendly countries to the US/NASA? They all have to be in on the hoax. And in on it for decades, which means all the new people working there, replacing the original people, have to fall in line too.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic

And if they want to keep their jobs, they WILL fall in line.

BB
BB

There is no Hubble Meathead . Damn you people is dumb.

RiNS

sing it brotha

grace country pastor

The Hubble ought to be able to see that stuff easily I would think…

Anon
Anon

There is a bigger consideration that you are overlooking, aka. The rogue government has over the years become consummate liars, habitual liars, genuinely professional liars. They are so patently dishonest that is seems to me ludicrous to assume that they would ever tell the truth about anything. Once you begin lying, you are compelled to continue.

The government claimed NASA put men on the moon, therefore, the claim must be false.

aka.attrition
aka.attrition

@Anon

I understand your point – NASA and the government are liars and cannot be trusted. Fine but then I still ask the original question; what proof would be sufficient for you to believe it happened OR is there no proof possible at all?

Anon
Anon

Aka, I do not know what that might be, but if you are so curious and motivated, why don’t you provide the evidence that convinced you that the claims are true, and submit it to the public. I would be happy to look at your submission, since it is obvious that you are a bone fide believer. Or is this belief business just an academic exercise?

aka.attrition
aka.attrition

@Anon

…it is obvious that you are a bone fide believer.

Effectively everyone is a believer, on both sides of the debate.

The point of this line of thought is to make a person, on both sides of the debate, think about what proof they would need which would satisfy them in their belief (and it is a belief for most of us on both sides of the debate because of the reasoning below). If one cannot believe the proof and evidence provided then one must answer the question of what proof would be sufficient. To not answer that question leaves you in no man’s land.

In response to your question, my thinking goes like this:

1) I would guess that it is likely that very few of us, perhaps even none of us, are experts in the fields we would need to be experts in, in order to be able to verify any proof given to us.

2) Not only would we need to be experts in certain fields we would ultimately need to be experts in all related fields.

3) Since we cannot be experts in all fields it leaves us with a problem; how to know whether the evidence offered is valid or fake.

4) If we are not experts ourselves (with access to all original, un-tampered with data) then we must rely on third party experts who we trust.

5) The world is full of experts in the various fields related to, let’s call it, space science.

6) Some of these experts are in friendly countries, some are in unfriendly countries.

7) The friendly countries might have vested interest in perpetuating a false narrative. So it could be argued that all their experts are in on the fake narrative for some reason. There are many thousands of people in this group.

8) What about the unfriendly countries that do not have any vested interest in seeing the US/NASA succeed? Why would they not expose the fake narrative and enhance their own standing? I don’t know. There are many thousands of people in this group.

9) So for everything to be fake we need to believe the following: (a) NASA and the US government are liars, (b) all space agencies and related scientific organizations in friendly nations are liars, and finally (c) all space agencies and related scientific organizations in unfriendly nations are also liars. And all support the fake narrative that NASA has created. There are many, many thousands of people in this combined group.

10) At this point all of us, on both sides of the debate, simply become believers. Some of us believe it is all faked. Some of us believe it is real. None of us actually know.

11) Question: Is it more realistic to believe that the moon landing is fake OR is it more realistic to believe that every space agency and related scientific organization in the world are in on the hoax?

12) Each of us can make a choice but know that it is just a belief. Perhaps a somewhat informed belief, perhaps some thought and research has gone into it, but ultimately because of the reasons mentioned above it is a belief.

13) It was rhetorically said by a TBP’er “.. how invested people are in believing in the story though even though they have no connection to it other than their belief in the story”. But this exact same can be said of the deniers; why do the deniers believe it is all fake when they have no insider information, no world recognized, peer reviewed, and acknowledged expert knowledge, no recognized space science agency to support their conviction that it is fake? One group believes in the scientific community and the other group believes in the, I don’t know what to call it, the counter-community.

Which brings it full circle to asking the question; what evidence would be sufficient to convince you that it was not a hoax. Or is there no such proof possible at all?

As for me, well I’ll go with all the world’s space agencies and their apparent affirmation of the event having happened. I could be wrong but for me the weight of their expert authority currently outweighs the counter position.

When I read about the history, achievements, honor, and integrity of people like Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin then, yes, I believe they went to the moon.

Ghost

That was quite reasonably written and presented.

Who are you Attriting, by the way?

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic

There is no proof that would be trustworthy, so nothing, because it didn’t happen.

Steve C
Steve C

Nig,

1.) The Apollo command module’s average velocity in lunar orbit was 3,585.4 miles per hour not 17,500 mph. 17,500mph is its Earth orbit velocity. Escape from Earth to moon velocity was 25,000mph.

In any case, if both spacecraft are orbiting at the same velocity then the only critical velocity is the closing speed between the two, which was quite slow.

2) The camera was likely controlled by NASA on Earth. It’s called remote control. You have heard of this? It’s the latest thing don’t you know….

3) There was no blast crater for two reasons.

First, the LM landed in an area that had very little lunar dust. A lot less than they expected actually. Since there was very little settlement into the surface, and almost no crushing of the leg strut shock absorbers on the LM, it was actually sitting higher than they expected. After jumping down the last step onto the moon’s surface Armstrong wisely checked to see that he could get back up to the last rung of the ladder before telling Aldrin it was safe.

Second, the rocket engine stopped a few seconds before the LM actually landed. This was designed in order to limit both dust and crater. Remember that the moons gravity is only 1/6th of Earth’s gravity so it still landed softly. And what dust there was was blown out and traveled quite a distance in the airless moon.

4.) Rocket engines use both fuel and oxidizer as propellants. Are you really so stupid that you don’t know this?

5.) They did practice using the cameras, but it’s to be expected that they either cropped the pictures to center any off-sided ones or just issued the best ones.

That doesn’t mean that NASA didn’t alter them to show the US flag and the words ‘THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA’ lit up even in shadow though. I expect that they did.

6.) You claim 6,000 photos and you still think it’s fake.

I am sure you could go on for hours and logic is not your strong suit.

Ed
Ed

When I read the comments that believe Apollo was a hoax I know the USA is doomed.. It can not succeed with large numbers of dumb people that inhabit it now.. The moon shots were America’s apex. America in summer… now all we have today is America filled with dummies in Winter.. I believe this 4th turning will be our last as one country..

Steve C
Steve C

Morons-R-Us are certainly out today aren’t they?

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

They appear legion. Yet almost shockingly (and I haven’t finished the comment section) none of the usual suspects have blamed Ikey, Mikey, Saul or Sam.

BB
BB

Come on Ed ,you made me sad. Feel guilty ?

Anonymous
Anonymous

Amazing how propaganda can brainwash the masses. The LM landed in an area with very little dust, pray tell, where did that juicy tidbit on nonsense come from? You surveyed the moon?

Steve C
Steve C

NASA sent ‘Surveyor’ landers to the moon before the manned landings. That’s how they selected their landing sites.

Apollo 12 even landed at the same place as a Surveyor had years earlier.

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kc
kc

hey Auldrin, do that again, i missed it, I got to change rolls here… dam space gloves… hold on i have to get back to the buggy and the lander to get gloves off… Houston, we have a problem……

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic

Would remote control of even cameras and transmission even make it through the Van Allen belt?

kc
kc

6000 photos??? bullshit!!! you know how any rolls of film that would be? Hey BUZZ… move over to the left of the space ship about 6 feet. we need to get this pallet of film in there.

kc
kc

or was it …. hey buzz, here… borrow my GO-PRO …. and film me jumping here….

Anonymous
Anonymous

“NASA claims space is a vacuum (how they know this is a topic for another debate). Do you think ignition and propulsion are possible in a vacuum? If you do, perhaps a quick physics refresher course is needed”

You don’t know what you’re talking about. It isn’t “burning.” It is a hypergolic reaction … the oxygen is in the fuel. Rocket and jet engines work just fine in vacuums.

Steve C
Steve C

Rocket and jet engines work just fine in vacuums.

Rocket engines yes.

Jet engines no.

Gas turbines (jet engines) require air (21% oxygen) for combustion.

Leon Reyes
Leon Reyes

Use in aviation
Rocket boosters used on aircraft are known as jet-assisted take-off (JATO) rockets.

Various missiles also use solid rocket boosters. Examples are:

2K11 (SA-4) which uses SRBs as a first stage, and then a ramjet.
S-200 (SA-5) which uses SRBs as the first stage, followed by a liquid fuel rocket.
Surface-launched versions of the turbojet-powered Boeing Harpoon use an SRB.

grace country pastor

That was very good!

“Apollo 8 took three astronauts to the dark side of the moon and back”

The moon has a dark side we don’t see. That means it’s not spinning. Everything is supposed to be spinning. Why isn’t the moon?

aka.attrition
aka.attrition

@GCP

The moon does spin, a simple internet search finds many sites to explain it including with animation or video. Here is one from esteemed Cornell University https://tinyurl.com/y6cwkr5j

Leon Reyes
Leon Reyes

GCP, logically speaking, it has to spin in order to keep facing the earth as it orbits it. Just walk around a chair while facing it and you will see that your orientation is different half ways around the chair.

Leon Reyes
Leon Reyes

4. NASA claims space is a vacuum (how they know this is a topic for another debate). Do you think ignition and propulsion are possible in a vacuum? If you do, perhaps a quick physics refresher course is needed.

All you need is an oxidizer to ignite anything and in particular an explosive chemical. What you need is a refresher course in rocketry.

Given enough force, anything can fly. – Doc Pangloss

Keenan
Keenan

Your #4 indicates that it is you who needs the physics refresher, but don’t feel too bad about it as the NY Times once displayed similar misunderstanding for which they ultimately apologized:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kionasmith/2018/07/19/the-correction-heard-round-the-world-when-the-new-york-times-apologized-to-robert-goddard/#2cfbd6b24543

motley
motley

The evidence is OVERWHELMING that the attempt to go to the moon was a hoax. Rather than spend your time taking potshots at your fellow TBP brethren … why don’t you open you mind and look at all the evidence. It is amazing how this hoax fails on so many levels.

aka.attrition
aka.attrition

@motley

I am not taking potshots at anyone at all. I am asking a perfectly normal question when confronted with opposing opinions on something which is to ask what proof would satisfy either side of the other parties position. How is that taking a potshot at someone?

I think so far Pentro has made a pretty good suggestion.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Well, this wouldn’t go the whole way for me but it would help a good deal: they have to explain legitimately HOW & WHY they mixed staged and (?real?) photographs together and presented them all as “real.” Same w/ the terrestrial rocks they gave out as moon rocks. Further, not just explain, but prove the explanation w/ contemporaneous documents showing the on-going discussion(s) about using staged materials (it’s the government, there would have been contemporaneous documentation of these discussions).

aka.attrition
aka.attrition

@Anon

OK, lets say they provide these explanations, the hows and whys, explain the photos, explain everything. How will we know they speak the truth? How will we know their “proofs” are valid? We would need independent experts to confirm their story for us because we are not experts, yes?

Leon Reyes
Leon Reyes

If it’s a woman, nothing will satisfy her:

1. Women are never satisfied.
2. Women believe whatever they want to believe regardless of any proof other wise.

Ghost

#1 Could you run that by me again?

#2 Oh yeah? Prove it?

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer

Wrong, NASA didn’t make any claims, it showed as much real-time live coverage as possible, brought back evidence (moon rocks) and left behind artifacts which are visible from earth. The deniers have to show that the conventional (and painfully obvious) story is false…..burden of proof is on the deniers.

Nig
Nig

Wow, that 8th grade education is really paying off.

Leon Reyes
Leon Reyes

Nig, you really are pushing the envelope of your 85 IQ.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty

They are NOT visible from earth.

Leon Reyes
Leon Reyes

“If I tell you when I flap my arms I can fly, is the burden of proof on me to prove this or is it on you to disprove it?”

– I can walk on a light beam.
– That’s crazy, let’s see you walk on my flashlight beam.
– Do you think I’m crazy? I know that as soon as I climb high enough, you will shut it off.

Pentro
Pentro

I’m only 40% convinced the missions ever went to the moon. I am 100% convinced some of the color photographs are faked, due to the contrast levels achieved with ordinary Ektachrome film and other factors. I’m also 99.99% certain NASA still engages in visual fakery today. The fakery puts a pall over the whole organization for me.

As for moon landing proof: Use the Hubble Telescope to locate the landing sites and mission trash left on the lunar surface. Have independent (non-NASA) persons monitor the process. Photograph the hell out of it, then submit the photos to an independent experts group for analysis and comparison to published flight logs. Publish the findings for public comments and analysis.

This ought to be easy. If the Hubble is too busy or can’t do it, send up a special purpose probe. Flyby pics are no big deal, right? Can’t do it NASA? Sorry, you never went to the moon. No more funding for you!

aka.attrition
aka.attrition

@Pentro

OK, so photographs taken by Hubble and done so under supervision by non-NASA personnel would do it for you. Do you think this would satisfy the most ardent deniers too?

gatsby1219
gatsby1219

With, or without the “green screen” ?

aka.attrition
aka.attrition

@gatsby

Pentro added the inclusion of independent observers and analysts. Green screen wouldn’t help the hoax if the observers were able to do their job fully and properly. They would have to be bought off instead to get their cooperation in a hoax.

Pentro
Pentro

I doubt this would satisfy most deniers. And why should it? Once people feel they were lied to, it becomes an emotional issue, not a technical one. Any further technical information will be suspect. As the saying goes, “Trust takes years to build, seconds to destroy and forever to repair.” Every time they release a merged reality video with green screen artifacts and Bride of Frankenstein hairstyles for the ladies, they only dig their hole deeper.

aka.attrition
aka.attrition

@Pentro

Well once it becomes an emotional issue then we no longer need to talk about proof or science or any of that. It’s an entirely different discussion at that point.

A good saying about truth …

Anonymous
Anonymous

Yea, like w/ Owebomber’s Birth Certificate. That solved that one.

SeeBee
SeeBee

BOONDOGGLE?

MarshRabbit
MarshRabbit

The “other guy” is a comedy bit from the Seinfeld show. Elaine is dating the Maestro and damages his poster of the “Three Tenors” (Placido Domingo, Luciano Pavarotti, and the “other guy,” Jose Carreras).

There have been many “other guys” in history. On the Apollo 11 Mission, the “other guy” was Astronaut Michael Collins:

During the Apollo 11 Mission when Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin became the first to walk on the Moon, the “other guy” was Michael Collins who manned the Command Module in Lunar orbit. Kind of like driving around the block while your friend runs into the bank. Actually, as their only ride home, Collins had a quite important job. Not to mention he was the first person to solo on the far side of the moon, out of sight and out of radio contact with the rest of the human race. While out there by himself, Collins noted “I am now truly alone and absolutely alone from any known life. I am it,” Collins never did walk on the Moon. The crew rotation system would have slotted him as commander of Apollo 17. Apollo 17 was the last mission to visit the Moon, and as commander Collins would most likely have been the last person to walk on Luna (instead of Gene Cernan). But Collins chose to retire from NASA and move on with his amazing life.

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Scarecrow
Scarecrow

At some point we just throw our hands up and exclaim that History is Bunk… Not because it is necessarily false, but because we as individuals cannot directly measure anything we were not physically present for. And words are never a map of the world, but only maps of the mind that says them. So, no, some will always deny, doubt, and question no matter what so called evidence is presented. From a certain point of view, the deniers are correct. Take me to the Moon. Then I will know.

TC
TC

One good thing about all this moon controversy is that at least we’re not talking about the ongoing flood of legal and illegal aliens or the elite pedos who run the country.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty

And THAT sure as hell wasn’t planned by our government now, was it?

MrLiberty
MrLiberty

Nope. Just MKUltra programming of the three astronauts, complete control of the broadcast by NASA (TV stations were FORCED to film from the big screens, and not allowed to take a direct video feed), and great special effects work by Stanley Kubrick and others.

I used to believe. Then I started waking up to the fact that the government LIES about EVERYTHING.

BuzzAldrin
BuzzAldrin

Phuc off,you nutty deniers & conspiracy theorists.
Do I need to come whip your arses like I did in the video posted here the other day?
Bring it,punk.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

That’s one small step for moon-landing-deniers, one giant leap for flat-earthers.

Ghost

Is there not anything else that happened on this day of note?


What Happened On This Day – July 20

2012 Aurora shooting

A gunman, James Holmes, opened fire in a movie theater during the premier of the Dark Night Rises in Aurora, Colorado, killing 12 people and injuring 58 others.

1976 Viking I lands on Mars

Part of the Viking program, Viking I became the first American spacecraft to succesfully land on MArs and to complete its mission.

1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus

Also known as Cyprus Peace Operation or Operation Attila, the invasion was a response to a coup in Cyprus.

1969 Apollo 11 lands on the Moon

Carrying Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, who would become the first humans to walk on the Moon, the spacecraft safely landed on the Sea of Tranquility on the Moon.

1969 Football War ends

A ceasefire came into effect between Honduras and El Salvador after the two countries fought a brief war over immigration El Salvador to Honduras. The hostilities occurred during North American trials of the FIFA World Cup.

Seriously, the moonwalk or the Mars landing seem to be the choices for July 20. Hopefully, some revisionist history will make the day more interesting.

22winmag - Yankee by birth - Southerner by choice
22winmag - Yankee by birth - Southerner by choice

History.com = babyshit myths

Leon Reyes
Leon Reyes

Admin, I believe this article is a reliable IQ test for weeding out the <85 IQ morons.

30 And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of the Lord that was broken down.

31 And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the Lord came, saying, Israel shall be thy name:

32 And with the stones he built an altar in the name of the Lord: and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed.

33 And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid him on the wood, and said, Fill four barrels with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice, and on the wood.

34 And he said, Do it the second time. And they did it the second time. And he said, Do it the third time. And they did it the third time.

35 And the water ran round about the altar; and he filled the trench also with water.

36 And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, Lord God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word.

37 Hear me, O Lord, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the Lord God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again.

38 Then the fire of the Lord fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.

39 And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The Lord, he is the God; the Lord, he is the God.

40 And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.

kc
kc

what in hell that bible crap got to do with landing on the freaking moon??

that like saying 9/11 airplane cell phone calls were real at 25,000 feet in 2001… show me the hand offs from the towers and exactly where the towers where to the flight path???

kc
kc

why down vote it? when i can actually prove it didn’t happen from cell phones….

TampaRed
TampaRed

buzz told trump that he isn’t happy w/the space program during an oval office meeting just after trump had said how great nasa is–

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-buzz-aldrin-disappointed-nasa-211939918.html

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic

A good story. Too bad it’s not true.

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