Robert Bronsdon (Hollywood Rob) July 2019
In an era of ipads and cell phones it is easy to lose sight of our heritage of skill and craftsmanship. One would not be chastised for concluding that we have lost the skills that have got us to the place that we currently inhabit.
That does not seem to be the case, however. While many have chosen to ignore the development of physical skills, some do persist and they are working with their hands and their tools to produce wonderful things. It matters little whether those wonderful things are sailboats, or coffee mugs fashioned by hand. The skilled labor of a dedicated person is something that I try to support in any way I can.
I will never get to sail on this ship. Neither will you most likely. But we can revel in the shear audacity that inspires someone to undertake such a monumental task and we can be amazed by the precision of his work. It is a joy to behold as tons of purple heart are fashioned by hand into the centerline of a sailboat that was first launched in 1910.
And that checking repair is pure magic.
I too sought out a trade instead of college, while engaging in many educational pursuits on my own. Pursuing a trade allowed me to earn a very comfortable living while having the time to educate myself.
I am comfortable discussing just about any subject with anyone from pre-schoolers, high-school dropouts, to those with advanced degrees and PhDs.
In fact, I have had PhDs remark positively about how truly educated I am despite lacking a college degree. There has been some negative criticism from insecure college types about my alternative learning of various subjects, to these misguided individuals who resent my extensive knowledge and lifelong love for learning, despite not possessing a college degree.
In my younger years, it used to bother me, but no more. It’s THEIR problem, not mine.
Opening one’s mind does not require a college degree. In fact, there are those who made great strides in technology despite not having a college degree.
One prime example of this is the story of Stanford Ovshinsky. A machinist by trade, he came up with the idea of amorphous semiconductors. Traditional semiconductors are fabricated from crystalline structures, by complicated, expensive processes, which are then doped with various impurities to gives them unique electrical characteristics. Ovshinsky’s method utilized non-crystalline methods which could be simply sprayed on a surface, while possessing these unique electrical characteristics, much less expensive to produce. He took his ideas to local universities, whose professors all told him that his ideas would not work. He still pursued his line of thinking outside the box and was extremely successful. Multinational corporations such as Sony and Sharp have licensed his patented technology. These same universities, who initially rejected him, in later years, have invited him as a peer and have finally embraced his unconventional methods who they initially said wouldn’t work. Thinking outside the box can be a lonely pursuit, but is quite often necessary to advance the technology. Mr. Ovshinsky himself, admitted that if he had received a traditional college education, he would not have come up with his unconventional ideas.
A university education, while valuable, is not the only way progress is made.
I too can talk about anything with anyone, anywhere, any time. I readily identify college types, especially if the have written their schools name on their forehead in permanent marker. Formal education is highly over rated. I possess degrees in both Fahrenheit and Celsius, with special honors in Calvin and Lord Calverts.
I met a little Korean dude who claimed to hold about 14 degrees. Then, he spun into the air and broke a pile of cinder blocks with his hand. Except the one on the very bottom.
He cracked that one with his freaking head.
That’s some impressive degree work, I’m telling you.
I know a guy who has 32 degrees.
He must be a builder, because all I ever see him with is a square and a compass.
BTW, he’s cracked too.
(“who” they initially said wouldn’t work. ) Need to brush up on yur grammer
“grammar”…
Would upvote a thousand for that if I could
Real men doing everything real men should be doing such as marrying the mother of their children, supporting and protecting the children/family, working hard and providing a good example for his offspring. That is what this country sorely needs.
Reject non-human programming, reject the anti-family narrative.
I discovered, on my recent journey to red dirt country, even my old military friends have adult children in the inter-racial and alternative parenting pathways to the future.
I don’t know how it will end up, but from the awkward dinner conversation after I brought up the fact that I started kindergarten the year my school desegregated I’d say it isn’t going well at all for the little blond haired white kid I sat beside at dinner whose mother dates black guys.
Sigh… what can a parent do? My friend asked me that very question when we chatted after her daughter left with her black boyfriend and the grandson went to bed. If she complains, the mother is liable to leave her grandson with the black guy’s family. Her daughter? Blond, blue eyed… aryan in looks.
I don’t get it.
The other friend? An adorable little baby about 8 months… but the parents won’t marry. They claim to both love the baby enough to commit to raising him.
Yeah… well, when he’s a brat in a few years and you both want the hell out, someone is going to wish they had a legal document!
Haha… on my break from the chores. It isn’t raining today, but it is as muggy as a steam bath after a sauna.
Meatballs ,I can talk to you about something anytime you want. I usually charge 50 bucks an hour for my psychiatric help . I don’t charge the good people of the Burning Platform because….well you know the reason.
Now about work. Tell you the truth I can’t do shit. I have no skills what so ever outside of my psychological practice which I do because I like helping people.
Free shrink help? That alone is worth the price of admission.
I heard you outright OWN your own big rig! That’s pretty impressive to this midwest farmer’s cornfed daughter.
You know nobody, but NOBODY, around here is allowed to say nothin’ bad about CORN.
I didn’t see a carton of soy milk anywhere.
Not a one as far as I can tell although they may sneak a soy latte at starbucks every now and again.
When you live in a jungle, have a machete, a video camera, internet access and plenty of free time, but no home and garden tools.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6Af8eTc-66Mk4PyRzYj7EQ/videos
This might be old news to some, but this guy impressed me:
too bad you couldn’t do this in the U.S.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world around him, the unreasonable man says hell no, therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man (hat tip to George Bernard Shaw)
Speaking of talent and a ridiculously monumental project…
Check this out.. I have been following this from beginning. At the outset I thought there is no way that this is gonna work… But I just watched the twentieth installment and the thing is now nearly ready for paint..
Pure Canuck Audacity!
This is at halfway point…
And the latest.
It has been amazing series to watch.. All done in just one year..
I saw something like that at the riverbank store yesterday. They build some weird crap out here, too.
In a previous lifetime I ran a large timber window manufacturing facility, with several dozen apprenticed joiners, along with hundreds of assistants, who would generally be of the skill shown, or greater. It was good to see them work. But they were not true masters of the craft.
Amongst all those joiners were a few, perhaps six, true masters, who were simply extraordinary. They each had at least 50 years experience working timber by hand, and loved doing it to the extent they refused to retire.
They could make enormous complex curve windows/ alcoves/ etc. precisely, by hand, to high engineering tolerances, for high value architecturally designed projects (ie mansions). The speed and accuracy of their work was simply astonishing.
And when they were gone, that was the end of their era, as none of the other joiners could approach their skill, nor could modern companies afford to provide the time and training required to get them to that level of skill. Those masters trained under other masters creating individual masterpieces for decades before they were able to create on their own.
These masters often worked with open spindle shapers – the single most dangerous task I have ever managed, though I would never attempt it myself. The spindle comprised a cutter of several hundred teeth spinning at 20,000 RPM, unguarded. They fed complex curved pieces of timber many yards long through these shapers, where any flaw in the timber could result in catastrophe. None of these masters had all of their fingers, and many of their associates had lost limbs over the decades (another reason this died out – modern safety laws forbid most of that type work).
I suppose today giant CNC routers might be able to accomplish the tasks, but I am no longer up to speed in window manufacturing. Those masters were extraordinary. Their loss is to be lamented.
Robots will replace them.
No, robots will not replace them. No robot is ever going to be programmed to cut out a checked section of purple heart to insert a clear section of wood. No robot is ever going to be programed to create an exact replica of a live oak rib from a boat designed and build at the dawn of the 20th century. No robot is going to go out and buy the $60,000 dollars worth of purple heart to replace the centerline of a boat that has been around for over 100 years.
This we can say for certain as no robot is going to come up with the passion that guides some people to take on these insane projects for the love of the craft. It is the love of the craft that has caused this project to be undertaken in the first place and it is the love of the craft that inspires the precision of that repair in one section of one part of a wooden boat with thousands of parts, all needing attention.
I am surprised. I would expect that you above all of the rest of us would understand that.
HR –
Re paragraph 1, that can be done today. It is a question of whether it will be done today re the low volume. But make no mistake, it will be done in the future very easily indeed. A lot of purchasing is done automatically today, in far larger volumes than $60k. You are not understanding what is available, and what is just coming over the horizon.
People will always have hobbies and crafts. But the day will come, sooner than most expect, when robots will be able to accomplish any physical task that can be done by a human. Whether or not they do so is a function of cost. Even today – for the most part – the current limitation is cost. And costs are dropping, and robotic capability is expanding.
HSF – pretty sure that has happened already. Those old masters are gone. The work is entirely able to be done by robots, but whether anyone has dedicated the large CNC machines do do it is another matter. Those are expensive, and the need for those windows may not match the cost of the equipment.
I program the CNC machine at work which is a plasma table that cuts plate steel. It can cut up to 1 3/4 thick, thicker still maybe 7 or 8 inches using OxyFuel.. All with near machine type accuracy within a thousandths of an inch…amazing really what can be done. Last week just for a lark I made an adapter plate to convert a fuel injected motor to a carburetor setup. … when it was done it looked like it came straight from factory
If it can be drawn it can be cut. These days I don’t even draw it as the computer can scan shapes and turn them with some minimal effort into a file for use on machine..
It would be the same for wood or anything else..
The end product wouldn’t fool an expert but for most applications, especially homes, structural and ornamental applications hardly a soul would notice. While fancied by some an expert my training isn’t extensive….I could easily get someone else up to speed in a few months..
Rob – I can get prototypes cut untouched by human hand that have a polished surface. A computer geek does the CAD, and a robot does the cutting.
I can get a part scanned and cut without ever a drawing being made. I can get reverse parts cut at the push of a button.
HR says “No robot is ever going to be programed to create an exact replica of a live oak rib from a boat designed and build at the dawn of the 20th century”. Holy shit, it can be scanned and cut even more perfectly than the original. The only issue is size- is anyone willing to free up that large machine, as they are expensive, to do the cutting. That is why I am unsure if they are doing it for those large complex windows – not a question of can they, but is it economically viable.
Those cutters you refer to are cool to watch in action. The waterjets do some good work, too.
Llpoh
Here is a vid of a large part CNC machines. A boat rib? Child’s play.
Another:
All of what you are all saying is true. But my point is that nobody is going to get to the point of scanning anything to run the machine over any wood because they really won’t see the need to recreate a 100 year old boat. Sure, you all could have it done, but none of you would want to do it. It is a silly thing to do and yet here is a small group of people from all over the world working long days to produce a wooden ship that should have been scrapped long ago. A fiberglass boat would be better. A steel or aluminum one even better. But this guy wants this 100 year old wooden sailboat, and he wants it to look and smell and feel like a 100 year old sailboat and he knows what that means because he learned the trade working on other 100 year old sailboats. He knows that the cracks in the wood need to be taken out and he know how to cut out the cracks and how to make a plug that fits perfectly and won’t damage the load carrying capacity of the bow of the boat.
A robot could do any of the things that he is doing but then it wouldn’t be his hand building his boat. A robot could manage HSF’s farm. It could milk the cows, collect the eggs, tap the trees and reduce the sap into syrup. But the product wouldn’t be as good because it isn’t just the doing, it is the “YOU” doing. It is Marc’s pride in his farm that makes his syrup great. It is the pride that the window makers have in their skills that keeps them showing up every day to make one more window. The whole point of posting this video was to show that there are still people in this world who take pride in what they do. You see it most days right on this site in Marc’s writing. In Doug’s writing. You see it all around you if you look in hand made ceramics to drink your coffee out of or in silly little magic wands that bring joy to children.
It’s not about the thing and making it the easiest way possible. There is lots of that out there and it happens every day in factories and shops all over the globe. It is about making something with your own hands and your own skill. With the marks of the maker on it for all to see. It is about making something, anything, that you can be proud of. That’s why I posted the video.
I agree with much of what you say and like you I appreciate the things in life that are hand made..
It is why HSF’s maple syrup tastes so great and why I bought recently. A trinket from a blacksmith. Forged from Iron that was handmade
Pride is important yes But when the boots hit the ground at Walmart it is price that will stand at the day.
Exactly Rob. But there are thousands of companies bashing out crappy windows. Poohs windows will last for generations. They are works of art and they were worth the money if you had enough of it. Walmart is where the mass produced shit goes and where those who don’t care for hand made things buy the things that they will throw away tomorrow. When this guy in the video is done rebuilding this boat it will be on the seas for another 100 years.
Pride and Spirit will always get Trumped by Fit, form and function anytime price gets entered into the equation.
At least in this modern world as it currently exists.
While I am with you HR on the importance of preserving craftsmanship, at the end of the day if I am running a business as Llpoh has done, it is efficiency that matters. If that bow can be made using CNC machine with close to same result then that is what is going to happen going forward. The only question left is forward to where?
A soulless world where people endure and left to persist.