Is It Time for America to Break Apart?

Hat tip David E.

Guest Post by Boyd Cathey

There is a question that increasingly arises, uncomfortably, in our conversations…from brief exchanges at work at the water cooler, at home with family, after church on Sunday, with our email messages to friends and associates. To watch any amount of television news these days, to switch back and forth between, say, CNN and Fox, and to listen to their interpretations of any event or issue, no matter what, that same question clambers in the background like an unchained wild beast:

What has happened—what is happening—to the geographical entity we call the United States, to its people, to its culture? Does it not seem like the country is coming apart at the seams, in just about everything, from its once-established moral base in a more or less historic Christian framework to its very vision of reality, of what is real and what is not?

Millions of “woke” social justice progressives now control the Democratic Party and most of our media; they dominate our entertainment and sports industries; they push for open borders and what amounts to “population replacement” of natives by illegal aliens; and they have a stranglehold on the near entirety of our educational system, from the primary grades to our colleges.

Each year those institutions turn out millions of freshly-minted automatons—intellectual zombies—who think like their unhinged teachers and professors have trained them, and who then take up responsible positions in our society and increasingly support and vote for a type of veritable madness which, like an unstoppable centrifugal force, is tearing this country apart, creating unbridgeable divisions that no amount of misdirected pleading or faux-compromise can repair.

The progressives loudly tout their support for “equality” and what they term “liberation from arbitrary restraints.” They tell us that they are working against historic “racism and sexism.” But, in actuality, their program turns real liberty on its head, inverts rationality, and enslaves millions in unrequited passions and desires, unbound and unreasoned, cocooned in a pseudo-reality. It is, to paraphrase the great English essayist and poet G. K. Chesterton, the definition of actual lunacy.

In his volume, The Poet and the Lunatics (1929), Chesterton’s character Gale asks the question: “What exactly is liberty?’’ He responds, in part:

“First and foremost, surely, it is the power of a thing to be itself. In some ways the yellow bird was free in the cage…We are limited by our brains and bodies; and if we break out, we cease to be ourselves, and, perhaps, to be anything.

The lunatic is he who loses his way and cannot return…. The man who opened the bird-cage loved freedom; possibly too much… But the man who broke the bowl merely because he thought it a prison for the fish, when it was their only possible house of life—that man was already outside the world of reason, raging with a desire to be outside of everything.” [bolding added]

The social justice fanatics who demonstrate in the streets, who appear nightly on our news channels broadcasting the ideological virus they call news, who parade before a House or Senate committee (or serve on that committee!), and who indoctrinate gullible and intellectually-abused students in supposed centers of higher education, are, to use Chesterton’s parable, lunatics. They are “already outside the world of reason,” and their unrestrained rage to destroy is only matched by their profound inability to create anything of real and lasting value.

They partake of a virulent cultural post-Marxism that, despite slogans of “defeating racism, sexism, homophobia, and white supremacy,’’ and establishing equality, is ultimately unachievable. Its advocates are, measured by the historical reality of two millennia of Christian civilization and by the laws of nature, insane.

They sloganize about “the fruits of democracy” and “equal rights,” where in some future utopia “racism” and “sexism’’ will finally be banished….but where, in fact, the very contrary will exist, where democracy will have become a totalitarian dystopia a thousand times worse and more oppressive than anything George Orwell envisioned in his phantasmagoric novel Nineteen Eighty Four.

This element, this force in our country, which now numbers many millions of votaries, works feverishly and tirelessly to achieve its objectives. And, as we have seen, especially since the presidential election of 2016, it will do anything, use any tactic, including defamation, lawsuits, censorship, even violence to achieve its ends, to turn back what it perceives even in the slightest to be “counter-revolutionary.”

The question comes down to this: Is the fragile American experiment in republicanism begun in Philadelphia in 1787, which required a commonly-shared understanding of basic principles, now over, or at the very least is it entering its agonizing death throes?

One can certainly trace a progressively destructive trajectory in American history since the overthrow of the American constitutional system in 1865. And the results of that history are now reaching almost an unimaginable breaking point.

Increasingly, we live in a country that has become de facto little more than a mere geographical entity. True, it is still formally a nation, but a nation where there are in fact at least two very distinct Americas, with radically differing visions of what is real and what is not real, radically differing conceptions of what is moral and what is not, radically differing views about truth and error, and radically differing ideas about using whatever means are available to reach a desired and posited end. For all the talk of equality and racism, the revolutionary side in actuality seeks to replace one oligarchy—which it calls “white supremacist”—with another oligarchy of its own making, in fact, a brutal, vicious and soulless “utopia’’ that would make Joseph Stalin’s Communist state seem like a Sandals Retreat in the Bahamas.

At the base of this revolutionary movement is the critical use of language. Ideologically-tinged words—“devil terms”—now occur with amazing regularity and frequency: racism, white privilege, sexism, toxic masculinity, equality, democracy, and so on. These terms have been weaponized and are now employed by those on the Left—but also adopted by many elitist movement conservatives (“conservatism inc.”)—to disauthorize, condemn, and damn anyone who would offer effective opposition to the rapid Leftward perversion of what remains of this nation.

It is not only the frenzied talking heads on CNN and MSNBC, but such “respectable” conservative voices as Bill Kristol, Hew Hewitt, Jonah Goldberg, Rich Lowry, Ben Shapiro, the National Review crowd and various Republican types , who have joined in to legitimize each new progressivist conquest (e.g., same sex marriage) and attack any real opposition to the Leftist “long march” through our institutions. Like the hard Left, the establishment conservatives betray a hardly-concealed contempt for Middle America, for those hard-working, gun-owning, church-going, underpaid folks who still try to raise a family morally on a shrinking salary. They see the rest of us as mere rubes, a servile class who are not supposed to have a voice—this, you see, is now “American democracy.”

We are not supposed to question this arrangement; we are not supposed to get off the “reservation” assigned to us. That, you see, was the way the “new oligarchy” would work. But in 2016, in exasperation, we did question it, and we did so because instinctively we knew that the unelected managerial class—a cosmopolitan and globalist elite—was far more loyal to its own class and more concerned about conserving its power and authority. It did not give a damn about us, despite the endless stream of campaign promises we hear every election season.

We understood that the chances of success were minimal, and even if we were successful—electorally highly unlikely—the establishment and Inside-the-Beltway elites would ground to dust or coopt any opposition, including even Donald Trump.

But the unlikely did occur, and the elites—the media, the entertainment industry, almost the entirety of academia, the progressivist Democrat Left, and also those supposed defenders of our interests, “conservatism inc.”—responded with unleashed and unrestrained anger, contempt and condescension. Those elites feel threatened by the “natives’’—threatened by those of us on the giant fly-over plantation between the million dollar mansions surrounded by walls in Silicon Valley and the paneled million dollar board rooms on Wall Street where the international globalists gather to plot the future of the world.

No matter that Donald Trump filled much of his administration with establishment figures and GOP standbys (especially in foreign policy). The fact of his election had signaled that the mask of the administrative state, its very authority had been seriously challenged. And what followed was what can only be described as a torrent of lies, fabrications, assaults on our character, attempts to suppress our guaranteed rights of speech and expression, shaming us, and efforts to destroy our livelihoods or get us fired from our jobs or dismissed from our schools.

And, of course, there was the Russia Hoax, involving the Hilary Clinton campaign, the Democratic National Committee, the Mueller Commission, a compliant media, and the FBI and other intelligence services, and totally false claims that somehow the Russians “had interfered” in our elections. In fact, the “Russia Hoax” was completely political; the Russians were not involved, save for a few double-agents who were actually working for American/FBI interests. It was a massive, unparalleled effort not just to bring down the president, but more significantly, to discredit any opposition to the Deep State establishment’s control.

There are then, palpably, two Americas. They still use the same language, but they are increasingly incapable of communicating with each other. Almost weekly words and terms are redefined beyond comprehension, and those “devil terms” have become the modern equivalents of linguistic hydrogen bombs deployed by the progressivists. They illustrate what political theorist Paul Gottfried has called a “post-Marxist” praxis that has actually moved beyond the assaults of cultural Marxism towards a new and imposed template.

No dissent from this template is permitted in our society. If it demands you call black, white; then you must comply, or suffer the consequences. If your eyes tell you one thing, but the collective media and elites tell you something else, “who you gonna believe, them or your lying eyes”?

For “conservatism inc.” this state of affairs poses critical problems: the “movement” is more or less moribund, like a Persian eunuch at court, of little danger to the harem and of doubtful usefulness otherwise. Its stale ideas are not attractive to Millennials and offer no practical solutions to the challenges at hand. Indeed, in too many cases “establishment conservatives” and their Republican cohorts in Congress only serve to normalize each progressivist victory. Creative ideas from the Right only come nowadays from what is termed “the disauthorized Right,” from the nationalist Right (especially in Europe), and the populist and Old Right (here in the United States).

Some “movement conservatives” have recognized this. And there has been recent talk about the “conservative movement” somehow harnessing the newly unleashed nationalism and populism—witness the recent efforts of Zionist scholar Yoram Hazony (The Virtue of Nationalism, 2018) to incorporate these tendencies into the conservative mainstream. A national conference on “nationalist conservatism” was held in Washington on July 14-16. But such attempts are essentially efforts by a “phony right” (as Paul Gottfried terms it) to once again derail real opposition to the Progressivist project and maintain control over disparate elements (and also deflect criticism of Israel, always a bugaboo for the Neoconservatives).

Such efforts will ultimately fail, just as the creation of a new American nationalism will flounder, as well. Unlike most European nations which possess an organic history and common heritage, the United States has traveled too far down the road of unbridgeable division for a rooted nationalism to be successful. The disparities and extreme differences are far too great.

It is time to look elsewhere for solutions.

America in 2019 faces three possibilities for its future:

(1) Either there must be some large mass conversion of one side or the other (a ‘Road to Damascus’ conversion?), probably occasioned by some immense and earth-shaking event, war, depression, disaster; or (2) there must be a separation into independent jurisdictions of large portions of what is presently geographically the United States, including possible massive population exchanges—this separation/secession could be peaceable, although increasingly I think it would not be; or lastly, and worst, (3) the devolution of this country would continue into open and vicious civil and guerrilla war, followed by a harsh dictatorship. Disorder always abhors a vacuum, and that vacuum will be filled one way or another.

Given the present state of this nation, are there any other realistic possibilities? After all, despite the pious pining of the Neoconservative publicists that America is the world’s “exceptional” nation, the new Utopia, God did not grant us national eternity, did not guarantee our future. And our leaders and many of our citizens have done their damnedest to undo and undermine all those original hopes and promises.

The modern American madness, the lunacy—and that is certainly what it is—increases exponentially, it seems, on a daily basis. There are so many examples of it, it is so rampant in our society, that our surprise and outrage have become inured: imagine something incredibly and impossibly awful and crazy…and, lo, it actually will happen in our insane society.

There are only a very few things, a few statements by Abraham Lincoln that I can agree with. One of them is this (1858): “A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

The time has come; the moment has arrived for us to discuss not only what is wrong with the country, but how we actually might resolve the issues that confront us. And just perhaps the answer is not a new and necessarily-controlled or imposed faux-nationalism, but some sort of national separation, hopefully peaceful, that might be the least disagreeable course. The other options, all of them, bring violence, civil war, and probably dictatorship. And that is something we must hope to avoid.

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BL
BL

NO!!! That only weakens this country.

I’m sure you won’t agree, let the downers fly. Your dreams of having a all white segment is just that, a dream.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Until we make it happen.

BL
BL

Good luck Anon, I wish you the best. You might want to read Ed Ott’s comment below.

Stucky

Getting rid of New Jersey, as just one example, will NOT weaken the country. Trust me on that.

MSyzlak
MSyzlak

This was on ZeroHedge today:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-29/over-taxed-middle-class-being-wiped-out-nj-residents-flee-droves

Forget the wall on the Mexican border, we need a wall around New Jersey … Stat!

Dirtperson Steve
Dirtperson Steve

They are fleeing to and ruining PA. Most of the eastern part of the state looks like one giant strip mall now. Not so slowly, it creeps west.

BB
BB

Good to hear from you Stucky .Was thinking about you last night. I’m up here in North Dakota 30 miles from the Canadian border . It’s already getting cold up here.Will be leaving tomorrow but it is nice being around all white people. No fear of the ” other ” or offending anyone based on race or sex. Feels really comfortable. I realize what’s good about it is trust .If that makes any sense.I hope the nation doesn’t break apart but if it does I’m heading towards my tribe .Anyway I hope you and everyone else is well. God bless.

Crawfisher
Crawfisher

Grew up in central NJ, I had a good childhood there, left at 18, only went back to visit. Dad lost his job in ’88, mom worked, no jobs and taxes drove them away. Cost of living and taxes has only gotten worse with time.

mark
mark

Crawfisher,

I left Edison (raised there from 2nd grade on) and then Cliffwood Beach (lived there for 7 years in my starter home) for good in 84. My family stayed and most seem to regret it…trapped.

One of my best moves was leaving…went to mutiple dark red rural lands before settling in the last one in 94.

Now, I am really home!

mark
mark

If .22 wasn’t already using “Yankee by Birth – Rebal by Choice” I’d use it. I love the South and have lived in it (four states) thirty five years. I am home.

22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor

The South will rise again, between the election and the inauguration.

Pending Female Genitalia elected to the White House next year.

22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor

We are in quite the quandary.

I can’t disagree with “That only weakens this country” in that the Americans civilian militia is not quite ready to stand up to foreign invaders when they stand down the U.S. military and sell out the Navy.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty

At the heart of the REAL problem is GOVERNMENT and GOVERNMENT’S power over our lives, our freedoms, our money, our medical care, our property, our bodies, our children, and virtually every other remaining aspect of our lives and our society.

Everyone is unique. Everyone has their own values, wants, desires, etc. So long as we are on our own, we figure out ways to make our interactions with others work out, despite our differences. Laws that protect our god/nature-given rights, property, etc. play a huge role in maintaining the peace among people.

When government can violate those rights at will, it gives those who control government an upper hand in all interactions. No longer is there a goal to get along, to live and let live, etc. Now the goal becomes “better get mine before they do, and if I can get the government to help, all the better.”

Simply wiping away the federal government and allowing the 50 supposedly sovereign states to go their own ways would be a great start, but sadly the destruction of supposed “unalienable rights” is a rampant problem within the states and even local communities as well. 50 totalitarian states will NOT solve this problem. There are thousands and even millions within the individual states whose rights are being violated on a daily basis, and this will no doubt continue even with total dissolution of the federal government.

But the federal government is a cancer that has infected the entire nation. Its presence also impacts the way those in power within the states behave. It would certainly be worth trying dissolution as a start to see if the body can heal itself without the cancer present anymore.

MSyzlak
MSyzlak

“the destruction of supposed “unalienable rights” is a rampant problem within the states and even local communities as well. 50 totalitarian states will NOT solve this problem.”

Great point. Had conservatives, constitutionalists, libertarians and other various and sundry factions of the right voted with their feet 20 years ago, we might be in better circumstances in this regard. Unfortunately, for the last 2 decades it has been the leftists/locusts that have been fleeing the ships that they spent years gnawing holes in the hull of, to invade the largest cities of formerly ‘red’ states so that they can destroy those states with their votes, too.

Mygirl...maybe

What Mr. Liberty said. Also, do away with the money that supports the leftists and they wither on the vine. Without the deplorables foolish enough to keep paying taxes those who hate America wouldn’t survive.

e.d. ott
e.d. ott

I spent some time in the former Yugoslavian states of Bosnia-Herzegovina and Croatia doing some work in the mid- to late 1990’s, just after the Dayton Peace Accords were signed. The place was a serious mess of competing cultures and politics. I alternated between Sarajevo and Tuzla on different deployments and got to see how a centralized government of a multi-ethnic state evolves when the government fails.
It wasn’t pretty. If you think for one minute that the US couldn’t look like that, think again. It happened prior to the Civil War and could well happen again, but this time around expect some requests for “foreign assistance”, especially from the more Left-tarded parts of the population.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty

Or course it won’t be pretty. But if one can see the light at the end of the tunnel, the likelihood of rampant violence everywhere is at least a bit contained. Today, everyone has very good reason to fear the election of every candidate in one way or the other. And in pointing to Yugoslavia, are you suggesting that maintaining that tyranny would somehow have been better? Some very wonderful countries came out of that breakup. I would see the dissolution of the US as being a HUGE inspiration for peoples all over the world. I wouldn’t think that too many folks who might otherwise provide aid to the worthless Progressive/liberal contingent will have a lot of free time on their hands – given the revolutions that will no doubt be breaking out there too. Just look at how inspired the French were over our first revolution.

Oleaginous Outrager
Oleaginous Outrager

“But if one can see the light at the end of the tunnel, the likelihood of rampant violence everywhere is at least a bit contained. ”

Evey single “bring on the collapse” dipshit has not one fucking clue what it will look like when the trucks stop runnin’. It won’t be just food and power and water. Know anyone with diabetes, or any other medical condition kept at bay solely by modern medicine? Eager see them die slowly and painfully while you watch helpless? Neither you nor anyone else will be have any ability to “contain” the carnage once it’s released.

“Swollen by the confluence of so many causes, it advanced like some complex, blundering, uncontrollable force which absorbed its own authors, and which assumed more and more the featureless and irresistible likeness of fate.”

Anonymous
Anonymous

It’s not about individual wants and desires, it’s a matter of racial survival now. Some people aren’t going to make it through triage. That is just how it is. We didn’t create this mess, but we’re saddled with dealing with it. If you’re unhappy with how things are going to be, that is just too fucking bad.

Maybe previous generations should have started shooting the assholes that got us here, fifty or sixty years ago? But no, they apparently had better things to do, and here we are.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation

And what, pray tell, will it look like when a vicious, violent, disorderly separatism sweeps across ALL of the land and kills the diabetic’s parents? The only way out of this, barring a Convention, is divorce.

Come to some form of agreement where folks in one area can relocate to another, and strategize how the new nations can facilitate the real estate transactions, etc.

Dan
Dan

I agree completely. This would be the best solution. The problem is: how do we arrive at this conclusion? As the insanity level increases, Red states will become more amenable to this. Blue sates at present however, are infested with SJW’s who will *never leave us alone.* And they wont change that mindset until something big/terrible happens to shake them from their chemically-induced fantasy lands in their heads. Theoretically, if a limited civil war were to break out, or enough civil unrest would makes them so miserable that they say “Make it stop!” and agree to the divorce. Unfortunately, Im afraid that an event big enough to shake them up will be so catastrophic to the economic system (which is just hanging on), it will crash everything.

James the Wanderer

I have every confidence that it will not only be horrible, as horrible as I can imagine, but horrible beyond what I can imagine. But it cannot be any other way.
I can go days without even speaking, if moved to. I can go days without bothering any other human being. But there are those who cannot – those for whom envy, jealousy, busy-bodiness and plain old meddlesome intransigence are a way of life. They are the empty, angry people.
Did you have a neighbor who delighted in bad news? Angie’s daughter came up pregnant last weekend; apparently she had a secret boyfriend, Angie knew nothing about, who found some time last Christmas to take advantage of her –. Such people delight in the misfortunes of others, but it’s not just that – they are envious of those misfortunes at the same time. Buried shallowly behind the shame on you, you loose harlot that barely fails to escape from their lips, there is another layer of you cheater, I didn’t get any last Christmas and you did! Or even perhaps I behaved myself and no one noticed, or paid any attention to ME at all! And THOSE are the empty, angry people whose lives consist of belittling, denigrating and detesting others – while accomplishing nothing of worth on their own.
I am not famous; I have no statues, accolades, buildings or bridges named after me. I do have three college degrees in STEM, my name is on a couple of patents and as a vanity I know that some of the articles and papers I wrote still get citations and readings from current researchers. I have a wife and two kids, nothing unknown or spectacular there; I have a modest house on a city street that looks about like every other house on that street. I am not rich, unless you compare to refugees and African villagers; not famous in any respect; not consulted by the rich and famous to solve their problems (which I probably couldn’t, anyway).
But I am mostly content; I don’t need fame, fortune and power. Other people mostly seem to have their own problems, which they are welcome to. I have no need to “fix them” or “recruit them” or ” inspire them” or “correct them”. If they need fixing, recruiting, inspiration or correction, let them figure it out themselves.
But the empty, angry people cannot say that. They cannot abide the idea that someone does not need their approval, agreement, judgement, leadership; and if you tell them their opinions are not only not needed but irrelevant, they will explode. The people’s revolution requires all to participate! The good of society DEMANDS that you comply! Progress MUST reach everyone to be valid! All must be the same, act the same, THINK the same, or it’s no good!
And they are why we cannot peacefully coexist; they are convinced they have found a better way (to live, to work, to think) and we MUST adopt their better way – or else.
Six million Jews? did not adopt their better way.
Sixty million Ukrainians? did not adopt their better way.
Unknown millions of Russians, Chinese, Cambodians? did not adopt their better way.
So they killed them. They could not live peacefully alongside those who would not CONVERT to their better way.
And here in America, we have enough proto-Bolsheviks, Islamics, anarchists and other detritus that we will have a reckoning. It is appalling, barbaric, horrifying and every other negative adjective all at once, but man has not learned how to leave each other alone in all these millions of years. Hundreds of millions of dead have not taught tolerance, endless wars have not taught peace and endless conflict has not taught forbearance; we must have PAIN, for in pain we find purpose. Not in building, not in family, not in faith and not in accomplishments do we find purpose, only in pain. And those with the fewest accomplishments and least able to leave others alone in peace DEMAND we follow their ways, their thoughts and their paths, even though they lead over a cliff into darkness.
The empty, angry people will have their reckoning, and, win or lose, still not be content.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty

It has always been between those who just want to be left alone, and those who simply cannot leave well enough alone. Part of the problem is that those who want to be left alone, also do not attempt to seize the reins of power. Lee never captured DC, because the goal of the Confederacy was NOT to take control….just to be left alone to leave peacefully. And that may very well be our downfall…..but we do still have lots of guns, and those who are not left alone as they desire, seldom just sit back and take it forever.

TampaRed
TampaRed

actually liberty,
i sometimes wonder if we do have that many more guns–
when you factor out all the guys who have huge collections & all the guns owned by the elderly,then factor in all the illegal guns in the hood,we probably still have more but i bet it’s not such a huge advantage–

Llpoh
Llpoh

Tampa – yes, there are guns aplenty. There will be a hundred million of the right people with guns if it becomes an issue, and far, far fewer of the wrong people. They wrong will have the better guns, but their numbers will be far fewer.

Ken31
Ken31

The age old struggle between the creators and the manipulators.

grace country pastor

With you all the way, and then… millions of years.

Mygirl...maybe

Well, just think of how many drug addled people there are out there, both prescription and street drug addled. Now, take away those drugs and see what happens. Then think about how many out there can’t make it without the government titty, the government’s henchmen (cops) the government welfare. Pray that the day when the ebt and the drugs quit flowing never happens, we’ll have Ruwanda times ten….

mark
mark

Mygirl…maybe,

Those circumstances gave birth to the Golden Horde theory. I have worried about it since I accepted the fact how powerful and evil TPTB are, what they have done in the past, and that their past death and destruction may be nothing compared to what they will do in the future.

Two miles from my farm is a trailer park filled with about 10 career punks in and out of trouble, prison, and responsible (according to a local Deputy Sheriff friend of mine) for much of the petty crime and drug dealing in the area. After a collapse they will have to be taken out one way or another.

Plenty of people around here capable both in weapons and experience…just like in Texas.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

That’s what real war looks like. The elderly, the infirm, the weak go first and then a whole lot of everybody else.

No country can keep dragging around and fighting against a lazy, irresponsible, godless, welfare state that continues to enlarge by the day for ever without it eventually pulling everybody to the bottom.

This is why God destroyed whole countries, whole civilisations in the old testament and why he will come back to soon judge the whole earth.

The sad reality is only around 5% will actually survive His judgement including many so called conservatives and likely all the libertaians.

It as Jesus that said a house divided cannot stand. Lincoln just reiterated it.

Jesus also said if you are not with me you are against me.

You choose.

Ken31
Ken31

If God smote Sodom and Gomorrah, it was through the righteous hand of good men that burned them to the ground and salted the earth for good measure.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

What I meant to say is that around 95% of the world population including many or most conservatives and likely all libertarians won’t survive God’s soon coming judgement either because they don’t have a true saving faith in Jesus.

Ken31
Ken31

That whole shitshow was about muslims displacing and taking the land of Christian Europeans. And fucking NATO sided with the Muslims. Fucking kike owned traitors.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Those sons of bitches are going to need help.

gatsby1219
gatsby1219

You ain’t seen nothing yet, wait till Whites are the minority.

Anonymous
Anonymous

In your brown wet dreams

gatsby1219
gatsby1219

I’m a cracker from way back. Family has been in this country….before it was a country.

Llpoh
Llpoh

I come from a lot further back than that. It has always been a country. Just not how most describe it these days.

MSyzlak
MSyzlak

They say humans migrated to the Americas during the last Ice Age via a land bridge in the Bering Sea between Siberia and Alaska.

That makes you …. A RUSSKI!

You’re just a Russian Bot aren’t you?

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer

I don’t think this is a going to be decided by conscious choice but by human nature…..which means we get #3 until somebody wins…….

MSyzlak
MSyzlak

I’m not so sure. I think you were right the other day.

Option #3 here sounds a little like a mix between the “worst case” (my wording) that you proposed — and that I agree is most likely — and my “best case” of chaos, poverty, misery, war, etc, etc.

The author suggest that “we” (whoever the hell that is) get organized enough to fight, but then we lose. I’m not certain that fighting will even be an option.

I see most likely an option #3 re-written like this:
“the devolution of this country would continue into open and vicious civil and guerrilla war, followed by a harsh dictatorship a totalitarian, omni-surveilant police state governed nominally by the same ‘democratically elected’ figureheads, but practically by an elite, unelected technocratic oligarchy.”

I’d leave out the “open civil war” part, though there might be some token guerilla resistance.

And I would add that 50% of ‘Americans’ will favor this “progress”, and another 45% won’t even notice.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao

MSyzlak

You may well be right.

As far as ‘breaking apart’, I don’t believe this nation would ever have an opportunity to do that. The many countries we have brought democracy to over the yrs, and those we have helped by eliminating any WMDs they may be pursuing, will be quick to respond in like manner should the door be opened.

“The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.”

Zbigniew Brzezinski

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum < < < rosetta stone ?……… guaranteed, it's all been planned

mark
mark

I have read one theory (in a couple of places) on a dragged out slow motion economic collapse, slowly strangling and reducing the middle class (as has been going on), relentless and escalating mass shooting FF – with constant chipping at gun rights everywhere, a steady flow of illegals of all types and stipes, herding more and more useless eaters into the cities…other interconnected tactics in another Long March strategy.

Car salesmen call it the GRIND.

MTD
MTD

I think you nailed it.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer

Aka a LatAm style Kleptocracy. I think you could be right. My pessimism concerns that we have some very pent up anger on the part of the Left…..they don’t just think we on the right have bad ideas, they think we are bad people…….and that usually leads to violence.

MSyzlak
MSyzlak

Oh, I agree, … there certainly will be violence. I just don’t see the “open civil war” part (whether guerrilla, 4g, etc). It suggests broad, if not universal, participation and support of one side or another, and that one side will win and one lose.

I think that if TPTB can keep the lights on and “make the trains run on time”, much violence will be tolerated as a continued distraction away from the TPTB (misdirection, divide & conquer, etc)

Obviously, I can’t see the future (thank God), so who knows; but right now I don’t see open civil war on a broad scale happening.
But, violence? Oh, sure. Plenty.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot

I think Orwell may have had some insight into what will happen. We already are seeing the tech companies becoming like Big Brother, spying on everything we do and say. The government can monitor our travel and has access to all of our transactions, communications and finances.

I see a future with more and more surveillance, less and less freedom and in the end a totalitarian government controlling the masses. AI will lead the way in controlling us. Boomers will eventually die off, leaving the mind numbed robots who have been educated in the leftist indoctrination centers the past 40 years.

I thank God that I had the privilege to live in a relatively free nation for much of my life and I weep for my children, grand children and great-grand children and the country that I let change before my very eyes.

mark
mark

“I thank God that I had the privilege to live in a relatively free nation for much of my life and I weep for my children, grand children and great-grand children and the country that I let change before my very eyes.”

TN Patriot,
I feel exactly the same. I don’t have any great grandchildren yet (7 year old grandson) I tremble for him.

A big part of my long term planning and prepping is for him and his parents. I can get sad and grim dwelling on it too much. Just need to do the best I can in all ways, especially spiritually.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot

Be on the alert, stand firm in the faith, be strong, act like men. Let all that you do be done in love. I Cor 16: 13-14

MSyzlak
MSyzlak

Agreed. But 10 years from now, if you had a time machine and went back to the 1940s to tell Orwell what it’s really like, I think he’d say, “C’mon now, I can’t write that! The novel has to be realistic or no one will read it!”

Truthstream Media focuses a lot on the type of thing that’s coming (and already here).

What always terrifies me about their videos is not that such tech exists, not that some people are actually continually thinking up new ways to control the masses, and not that so many in positions of influence & power want these techs implemented to solidify power & control, ….

no, it’s that the vast majority of Americans want and gleefully accept these controls.

Attach the control to some minor convenience and you’re good to go. It’s as if you attached a cheap plastic magnifying glass to a set of shackles, just like those huge swiss army knives, and everyone shambles around to others saying, “Hey, look at this cool new magnifying glass I got!”
If you have the temerity to point out the heavy shackles, you’re called a conspiracy theorist” and your “social credit score” gets dinged, or you end up on some watch-list.

(p.s. everyone who comments here is on a list. you might rank low on that list; but they ARE watching and reading and taking notes … or, an algorithm is, anyway.)

Hollow man
Hollow man

Yes, not about race but world views. We have become way to different. Before it gets to violent. It will be difficult for both sides. But life goes on.

Ken31
Ken31

Very egalitarian and completely wrong. I am sure the lies you tell yourself help you sleep at night, though.

Stucky

Suppose the country breaks up in two pieces; Comnig and Caucland. HOW will the breakup work in real time?

1) Who determines which states belong to which?

2) Do they need to be contiguous? I’m assuming both CA and NJ would go the Comnig route — but won’t the 3000 miles apart be a problem?

3) I’m assuming only Caucland can be trusted with all the nukes? Won’t that drive Comnig into an alliance with the Chinks? Can we really allow Chink bases in New Jersey?

4) What if you’re white and you have a really nice million dollar house in Alpine, NJ … which is Comnig territory. How do I get reimbursed? Or, do I just kick out some libfuktard in Texas who has a similar house?

5) What if I’m a white conservative living in Alpine, NJ … which is Comnig territory … and what if I want to stay? (Hey, it’s possible.) Would I be forced to leave? And if I stayed, would I have any rights at all …. or, would I be shot or imprisoned the first time I wore a MAGA hat?

I like the idea of a breakup. But, I think the details are overwhelming.

Bubbah
Bubbah

Yeah, any breakup by state lines is completely worthless. The only thing that conceivably could work is big cities vs. smaller cities and rural lands. You pretty much get the red/blue map to workout with population centers. Pretty much the majority of cities 250k+ would go to the commies and they could become city states. Nations unto themselves but with no military. The city states already mostly do sanctuary cities, ignore and make their own policies and all their own rules on guns, drugs and all the rest anyway. The city states could pay tribute for military protection and turn each city into their own strange mini-nation. The rest of the rural, hinterlands, and small towns and small cities stay “red” and follow the consitution. People that happen to live in small towns and small cities that love them some Demo-Commies can move to the big cities during the adjustment period. Take on some more debt paying relocation fees for those fleeing the big cities (few at first anyway) and those relocating to big cities. Also people that just despise America get a plane ticket (or a boat ride if they are true believers in the Global climate disaster doom) to another country, good luck to them. They used to have basically city states in the old days, and to some lesser degree alot of cities act like they are the overlords of their area anyway, so there you go.

Of course its all a mental experiment but overtime I think you will see the flight from cities occur more and more, its just mostly happened already with suburbia. Chicago can print its funny money Newman Dollars to fund their endless debts and start their own prison system, or if they are like the modern liberals they just let them go for nearly all crimes as long as they pinky swear to return to court in a year and be good till then. NY City can have the UN and all the rest, as the US will be leaving that joke of an organization so it hopefully goes the way of the League of Nations. It has some wrinkles in it, but without the big city Neo-Con pretend conservatives and the endless warmongers amongst the old Dems, and the lower military budget hopefully it will all work out. I for one will not be getting a passport to visit the nation of Chicago, San Fran, Seattle or any of those other newly minted countries. They can disarm all their citizens and themselves and work hard on real problems like the overuse of gender prounouns!

BL
BL

They don’t consider any of those things Stuck. These morans would drive over the cliff then realize they don’t have wings. Would Russia be better off split into two halves? I think not.

David Erickson
David Erickson

Stucky,

Question 2 is answered in the commentary that Admin posted for me here in December (see link below). Questions 1, 4, and 5 are also partially addressed in that commentary. I don’t know the exact answer to your other questions yet, other than the fact that no one will be forced to leave anywhere. But all of those details can be worked out if the proposed separation ever looks like it would happen. However, as I stated in the other commentary, it is highly unlikely that this country will ever manage a peaceful breakup, so this is mostly just an academic exercise anyway. But it is still worth at least discussing, because the only other option is the author’s option 3, civil and guerrilla war. (Option 1, a ‘Road to Damascus’ conversion is not really an option because that is even less likely than a peaceful breakup.) And a civil war is something that we want to avoid if at all possible. I know there are some people who like the idea of a civil war, but a civil war is going to be very ugly. You probably wouldn’t have to worry about selling your house because it would likely get burned to the ground (think Sherman’s March to the Sea). And additionally there is no guarantee that we would even win. We could end up like the South in 1865.

BREAKING POINT

Anonymous
Anonymous

Reimbursed !! Surely you jest.

KaD
KaD

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/07/29/us-senator-personally-escorts-8-1-2-months-pregnant-mexican-woman-and-her-family-into-us-779626?utm_campaign=bizpac&utm_content=Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_source=Get+Response&utm_term=EMAIL

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao

“Homeland security investigations through a DNA test and interview….”

The key part to take away from this story is the DNA test. The decades of an open border, the massive rush to it in recent years, and now the using children scam was orchestrated to create a need for such intrusive testing, IMHO.

After all, it will be a small step to use DNA, retinal scanning, ‘real ID’ chip…..to establish the governments ‘need’ to properly identify people in order to keep us safe.

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- the beast system approaches.

Horseless Headsman
Horseless Headsman

Agreed. I’d like door number 2, but I’m prepping for door number 3.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker

The biggest problem in the United States is that there are entities who have been working for years to turn us into a “democracy”(a precursor to any dictatorship). Their biggest conquests were the Constitutionally implemented central banking, income taxes, and the direct election of the Senators. They were patient, and slowly took over institutions necessary to have to maintain a healthy nation, debasing them in the process. They and their shills are not unlike the pregnant roach you brought in your kitchen in that bag of potatoes. First you see one, and you do nothing. Then you see two, and still do nothing. You see more and more, and say it doesn’t really matter, until the whole house is overrun by them. Finally, everyone gets tired of it all. That happened to one of my lazy-ass female cousins, by the way.
The Solution occured when my grandmother took pure 100% Chlordane and put it in an old bowl. She took a paint brush and wiped that “One of the EPA’s Top Dirty Ten” on just about every surface in that kitchen. It sure wasn’t her own kitchen for Chlordane was granny’s favorite at home, she even joked that God must have been involved in its invention because that chemical wiped out bedbugs as well. After she painted that nasty stuff, by the next morning there was a whole bunch of dead roaches then there were no more. I think that little event taught me about some problems, at least. There’s always going to be solutions to seeming insurmountable problems. The country sure doesn’t and shouldn’t be divided to solve any of our problems. The big question is, “How bad do you want to solve that problem?”

Mygirl...maybe

Selco writes about the Balkan wars and tells a very grim story:
We did not have organized army or police force, there was groups of defenders,
actually anybody who had a gun, fight for his own house and his own family.
Some of us was better prepared, but most of families had food for couple of days,
some of us had pistol, few owned AK-47 when all started.
Anyway, after one month or two, gangs started with their nasty job,hospital
looked like butchery, police force vanished, 80 percent of hospital staff gone

http://shtfschool.com/SelcoForum.pdf

Ken31
Ken31

They never would have been able to keep those dirty tricks going without the 19th Amendment. Never forget that.

Dirtperson Steve
Dirtperson Steve

Yes. At the founding and nearly for the 1st 100 years* we shared culture and values across the footprint of the nation. We no longer share much culture or values. Without making any judgements, our differences are now much greater than our commonalities. Let us peacefully dissolve the remaining bonds so that we can avoid and ugly separation.

*I am including the era prior to 1776 as well

Dirtperson Steve
Dirtperson Steve

I couldn’t edit the original post. According to this book published in the 70’s, we are right on schedule for the fall of the empire.

Chubby Bubbles
Chubby Bubbles
TampaRed
TampaRed

for those of you who believe that you’re safe because you’ve prepped & are out in the country,read this–

What the Progressive Socialist Liberals have in store for Conservatives (part 1)

mark
mark

Tampa,

Here are the other 5 parts.

I don’t believe I’m safe because I’ve Prepped and I’m rural…I’d said safer…I won’t starve and I can stand and fight and defend myself much, much more successfully and way longer than those who haven’t Prepped or live urban, especially with the kind of neighbors around me…and the two friends who are like me: geared, gunned up, trained/experienced and determined.

But I have no illusions about long term survival during what is probably coming…3. I think that has been planned a long time. That is what TPTB want. But, we all will see what God does? To use the term the traitor little Georgie W would say…the real: DECIDER.

Now, I have already made up my mind to fight and may die on my place? Prepping and living rural just gives you time and maybe choices, depending on your plan B and C…and the Preps for those.

What the Progressive Socialist Liberals have in store for Conservatives (part 2)

What the Progressive Socialist Liberals have in store for Conservatives (part 2)

What the Progressive Socialist Liberals have in store for Conservatives (part 3)

What the Progressive Socialist Liberals have in store for Conservatives (part 3)

What the Progressive Socialist Liberals have in store for Conservatives (part 4)

What the Progressive Socialist Liberals have in store for Conservatives (part 4)

What the Progressive Socialist Liberals have in store for Conservatives (part 5)

What the Progressive Socialist Liberals have in store for Conservatives (part 5)

What the Progressive Socialist Liberals have in store for Conservatives (part 6)

What the Progressive Socialist Liberals have in store for Conservatives (part 6)

Botclan

Read all six parts, very diconcerting.

TampaRed
TampaRed

how many of you really believe that leftists will leave you alone because you are behind a different border?
do they respect borders today?
the only short term solution is probably going to be violence unless we have something catastrophic happen ,in which case people will have to cooperate to survive–

BB
BB

Tampa Bay ,I read all of those articles. Some scary shit but it’s true. They will genocide all of us traditional white Americans if given the opportunity. When you begin to understand what is behind this push to replace white people with lower IQ immigrants it all makes sense. White people who are religious are the only ones in the way of the the Banking Families sitting up their one world government. Remember 3M . That’s Control of the Money , Media and Military. The Rothschild/Rockefeller and other elite families have this already . They control all the Money . They own and control 95% of the world Media. Through their controlling of governments with money they control much of the military and much of the police. When they finally get 5G they will have all they need to permanently enslave us. It we resist they will use Force. I don’t think we can ever get away from this wicked , depraved and Satanic system. At this point I don’t know what can be done.

22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor

BB,

Don’t forget the fog of war. You’ve been on the inside of government, deep down in the bowels, haven’t you?

The corruption is so bad it literally rusts holes in their plans and their hardware. The more tech and scary hardware the government owns, the more it’s hacked, stolen, and hijacked and pointed back at the them.

All these supposed “assets” are really liabilities for the powers that be.

Mygirl...maybe

History is replete with what leftists do when they get the upper hand. Millions die. What is happening now with the leftists is a page torn out of the history books. Pay careful attention deplorable white privilege male conservative Christians….they want you dead and will kill you. It’s happening now, black man beats white man to death, black mobs attack white people and then there is antifa and the police look the other way while Trump supporters get the crap beat out of them.
This is how it started in Germany, in Russia, in China and Cambodia….it’s happening here and now and the complicit media and politicians and ‘celebrities’ are part and parcel of the destruction. Bleib ubrig kinder, they’re coming for you and this isn’t hyperbole.

nkit
nkit

The leftists can not effectively, efficiently or economically run large cities such as San Franshitsco, Los Angeles. Philadelphia, Baltimore, Chicago or New York City yet they want us to entrust them to run the country….Yeah right, sounds like a plan… a dumb ass communist plan.

Mygirl...maybe

The true leftists don’t care about running a city, all they want is power and the ability to carry out their cherished goals of totalitarianism with them being the top of the pecking order.

MSyzlak
MSyzlak

And the “true leftists” don’t all sit in Congress and have a (D) after their name. Many sit there with (R) after their name, many sit in boardrooms, courtrooms, law offices, fusion centers, agencies and bureaus in (and out of) D.C., the Pentagon, think tanks, K-street, NGOs, the UN, etc etc.

Also, nkit, … they’re not the least bit concerned with you or I “entrusting” them with anything. They’re also uncerncerned with running anything “effectively, efficiently, or economically” — as you or I might define those terms — only with running them, … at all costs.

Mustang
Mustang

That quote from Abraham Lincoln is actually a quote from The LORD Jesus Christ in The New Testament of The Holy Bible.

grace country pastor

Someone noticed!

Mark 3:25 KJB… “And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.”

Division has been the goal all along. It is the long game played out.

22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor

When people can hoax the death of Presidents for fun and profit, it can be said people wish to play God.

http://mileswmathis.com/lincoln.pdf

22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor

I love it when people say “half of the military will defect and join the people”.

By the time the military was in that state of affairs, the sky would be black with Trump’s NK paratroopers and invited UN peacekeepers.

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Tacitus
Tacitus

It’s already broken apart. Most Americans are too fucking dumb to accept it. There is alot of blood ahead.

Anonymous
Anonymous

We Americans who now find ourselves under the bus in the midst of a bankrupted financially and morally once great prosperous nation need to take notice of who what where and why this has happened in front of our eyes . We continue to stand and stare in disbelief what passes as acceptable behavior by government and the minions in its employ . The parasitic nature of all employed in government positions be it elected or not has caused a great deal of damage as they work tirelessly to perpetuate and justify their own existence and their deserving of wealth confiscated from those of us now under that bus .
Those protesting the alleged wretchedness of our Republic seem quite comfortable being supported by its socialist network of jobs in the public sector financed by confiscatory tax system and debt piled upon those underemployed forgotten Americans who are only useful to be plundered till there is nothing left . This is what a parasite does , feeds until the host is dead and then moves on .
The socialist movement in this country has been spawned by example : government contractors , government employees all doing quite well . Meanwhile in flyover underbus land not so good ! So as the impressionable youth in the SJW ilk march and protest understand several things from their indoctrination and experience in American life . This generation witnessed their parents and grandparents pensions and health benefits vaporize when they went to collect while their teachers professors and those in government continued unaffected and those truly responsible were bailed out and debt piled upon the very group victimized by the failing influx of socialism . Government force assures success for the favored groups as it crushes those forced to support it !
Like the retired government worker or the section 8 landlord (welfare for real estate investors) socialist policies are a big payoff . But look under the bus to see who got left holding the bag of debt !
Invest in precious metals “lead & brass”

Anonymous
Anonymous

Only a separation from DC, which would strangle each and everyone of us to prevent that, back to paying taxes slaves.

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