Because Now It’s Personal: Causes That Produce The Guerrilla

Guest Post by Mary Christine

I felt privileged to be asked to write a preface for this essay about the birth of a Guerrilla. I’m convinced something very much like the story Mary has written is about to happen on a much larger scale. I say this as one who has fought the Guerrillas he helped create, and as one who was swept up in the chaos of war, and who embraced the Evil in the absence of restraints.

 Welfare and the Civil Rights laws of the mid 60’s and their offspring did little to help anyone. However, they were the main catalyst for the Pogrom that was launched against the strong male and the women who love them, whether Black, White or Brown, by robbing them of their dignity. These are today’s Guerrillas in the making. Facing a future of groveling submission and a Dogs Death they are being awakened by their DNA, and are about to erupt into something destructive and ugly.

They have nothing to lose and everything to gain, their Dignity. Their Motto might well be “A GUERRILLA DOESN’T HAVE TO RUN FROM A DEAD MAN.”

Frankie Fleabaggs

 

“Civil war might well have made the Guerrilla, but only the excesses of civil war could have made him the untamable and unmerciful creature that history finds him.”

John Edwards 

Most of the men who fought with William Quantrill didn’t own slaves. They were just Missouri farm boys who wanted to be left alone, raise families and run farms of their own. What caused them to turn into the so called “bloodthirsty savages” they later became? Join with the fictional Lydia Warner Rowe as she determines to answer that very same question two years after the end of the War Between the States.

From the journal of Lydia Warner Rowe

February 1, 1868

Springfield, Illinois.

It’s been 5 years since last I received any letters from my cousin.  We were close as children, Clara and I, and her brother Josiah.  We grew up together in Osceola, Missouri.  At times, our parents were beside themselves, as we were always raising a ruckus of one sort or another.

Getting reliable information that was not tainted by partisan leanings on either side of the conflict was like trying to deliver a breach calf.  I wrote to my Aunt Hannah complaining of such.

February 27th 1868

I received a reply back from Aunt Hannah. She sent me some clippings from letters Uncle Clyde had received. My Uncle Clyde had owned a newspaper in Kansas City and had many contacts. “This”, she wrote back,” is an example of what is was like for them to try to get reliable news” about the Border Wars as the violent acts on the Kansas-Missouri border later came to be known.

“John A. Bushnell of Calhoun, Missouri, February 28, 1863. I am writing to inform you that “petty acts of tyranny have been committed elsewhere” and I predict that if similar violence occurs where I live, my neighbors will be too cowardly to defend themselves. I am also thoroughly disgusted with censorship in newspapers”

 January 19, 1856, John Ordway of Roxbury, Massachusetts, wrote to inquire about the progress of the railroads in Missouri, explaining that the newspapers choose to focus on “the Kansas troubles” instead of Missouri’s “internal improvements.” 

On June 27, 1863, John A. Bushnell writes another letter to express his fear for the safety of Eugenia Bronough of Hickory Grove, Missouri. He shares a rumor of “men going to her house” and targeting the Bronaugh family. He makes reference to “a systematic effort to get her out of the country.” Bushnell also mentions the Kansas raids, but he expresses frustration about receiving inconsistent information and complains that neither newspapers nor rumors are reliable. 

On October 3, 1863, James H. Moss sent a copy of a letter he wrote from Liberty, Missouri to Col. A.W. Doniphan. Moss describes his recent efforts to restore order in Clay and Platte Counties, Missouri by raising a local military force. He writes that the newspapers have been publishing “reckless” lies about his activities, and urges Doniphan not to believe what he reads. Moss asks Doniphan to explain the situation to Gov. Gamble, adding, “We have had perfect quiet in Clay and Platte for five days and nights past.”

Like the nation, Missouri was divided about slavery and even though it had never actually left the Union, the Union attacked it as if it had. It seems that if you were from Missouri, you were assumed to be a southern sympathizer, even if you never owned a slave in your life. Personally, I found slavery to be abhorrent.  But I also found the tactics of the abolitionists, such as John Brown egregious.

Between the years of 1855 and 1860, Kansas and Missouri became a battleground that only the greater War Between the States could eclipse. Ruffians from Missouri crossed the border into Kansas to vote for Kansas to become a slave state, while abolitionists  moved from the north to Kansas with the end goal of eliminating slavery BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY, even if it required them to rip men and boys from their homes and hack them up with swords, as John Brown had done.

March, 30 1868

I continued to press Aunt Hannah for information about Clara and she finally agreed to try to convince Uncle Clyde to investigate further. Uncle Clyde was my paternal uncle. Clara was my maternal cousin so information about what had happened to her was not readily available without having to “pry” into family business. My father had moved his business out of Osceola to Springfield some time before the hostilities had begun to heat up. As things deteriorated, communication between the two families became nearly impossible.

April 30th, 1868

I finally received a letter from Uncle Clyde. After the Sack of Osceola, the family fled, but exactly to where he was unable to determine. We assume somewhere in central Missouri  because Clara had somehow got herself involved with some of the women who had been supporting Quantrill and his men with food and supplies. After a series of defeats, General Thomas Ewing ordered the arrest of women and girls suspected of aiding the paramilitary bushwackers. Some of these women and girls were arrested on the public roads and others were taken from the privacy of their home; all were held without bond or bail, awaiting transport and a trial in St. Louis.

As the number of women and young girls awaiting transport to St Louis began to grow, safe clean places to house them in Kansas City were soon filled to capacity. A three story building with a tavern on the ground floor was located and 17 women and 1 boy were transferred to the 2nd and 3rd floors. Clara had been one of the girls and she was one of the four who died when the building collapsed. She was sixteen. There was some evidence to indicate that some support columns in the cellar had been removed by the Union guards to accommodate their use of the space as office and storage.

I had never heard about this incident. I was overcome with grief and outrage. How did things ever get so bad? The wounds were still raw. The losses were still uncounted. I felt that our descendants would never fully understand the trauma the country had suffered. Then, to find out that my government had sanctioned the kidnapping of women and girls, imprisoning them without bond or bail was more than I could take in. I was overwhelmed by the treachery and I needed to know more. How had it come to this? My husband, Atticus had taken a job as a reporter for the Springfield Sentinel. They had sent him to the battlefields to cover the war. Could we travel back to Missouri to investigate further?

The Missouri I knew as a child had been peaceful. Nestled on the banks of the Osage River, Osceola was a thriving river town. My father had been a fairly prosperous merchant there. His business required him to travel around the region and Lawrence had been one of his destinations. Sometimes, we were allowed to go with him. I was fascinated by Lawrence as it was almost a mirror image of Osceola. The pro-abolitionists who settled there had chosen the banks of the Kaw River. Both towns had grown to a population of around 2000.

An uneasy quiet had settled in by 1858. Kansas had suffered a severe drought between June 1859 and November 1860 when not a drop of rain fell. States rallied to send aid and Missouri had sent wagonloads of apples and vegetables to help some of the 30,000 settlers left after 60,000 had fled the state due to the drought and the threat of violence. But the quiet did not last, and the concern that Missourians had for the suffering Kansas settlers soon turned to bloodlust and the feeling had become mutual.  It was about that time that my father decided to move to Springfield.

May 15th 1868

Kansas City, Missouri

Atticus had been hard pressed to turn down the opportunity for a story. A short time after our arrival Uncle Clyde arranged for us to interview John N. Edwards.  Major John Newman Edwards, CSA, was General Jo Shelby’s Adjutant during the War in Missouri. Uncle Clyde, having sold his newspaper, was now working with him at the Kansas City Times.

Although Mr. Edwards was not inclined to answer too many questions, as he was working on a book about the war, he did share parts of his manuscript.

The following is excerpted from chapter 2 entitiled “ Causes That Produce The Guerilla”

It is the province of history to deal with results, not to condemn the phenomena which produce them. Nor has it the right to decry the instruments, Providence always raises up in the midst of great catastrophes to restore the equilibrium of eternal justice. Civil war might well have made the Guerrilla, but only the excesses of civil war could have made him the untamable and unmerciful creature that history finds him.

When he first went into the war, he was somehow imbued with the old-fashioned belief that soldiering meant fighting and that fighting meant killing. He had his own ideas of soldiering, however, and desired nothing so much as to remain at home and meet its despoilers upon his own premises.

 Not naturally cruel, and averse to invading the territory of any other people, he could not understand the patriotism of those who invaded his own territory. Patriotism, such as he was required to profess, could not spring up in the market place at the bidding of Red Leg or Jayhawker. He believed, indeed, that the patriotism of Jim Lane and Jennison was merely a highway robbery transferred from the darkness to the dawn, and he believed the truth. Neither did the Guerrilla become merciless all of a sudden.

Pastoral in many cases by profession, and reared among the bashful and timid surroundings of agricultural life, he knew nothing of the tiger that was in him until death had been dashed against his eyes in numberless and brutal ways, and until the blood of his own kith and kin had been sprinkled plentifully upon things that his hands touched, and things that entered into his daily existence. And that fury of ideas also came to him slowly, which is more implacable than the fury of men, for men have heart, and opinion has none.

It took him likewise some time to learn that the Jayhawker’s system of saving the Union was a system of brutal force, which bewailed not even that which it crushed; that it belied its doctrine by its tyranny; stained its arrogated right by its violence, and dishonored its vaunted struggles by its executions.

 But blood is as contagious as air. The fever of civil war has its delirium. When the Guerrilla awoke he was a giant! He took in, as it were, and at a single glance, all the immensity of the struggle. He saw that he was hunted and proscribed; that he had neither a flag nor a government; that the rights and the amenities of civilized warfare where not to be his; that a dog’s death was certain if he surrendered even in the extremist agony of battle; that the house which sheltered him had to be burnt; the father who succored him had to be butchered; the mother who prayed for him had to be insulted; the sister who carried food to him had to be imprisoned; the neighborhood which witnessed his combats had to be laid waste; the comrade shot down by his side had to be put to death as a wild beast – and he lifted up the black flag in self-defense and fought as became a free man and a hero.

“Blood is as contagious as air”… indeed.

Mr. Edwards had other appointments and had to be on his way, but he did manage to arrange  an appointment to interview a man named John Hayes. Mr. Hayes had been a reporter for the Lexington, Missouri Telegram and had somehow finagled an interview with William Quantrill not long before he fled to Kentucky. The interview was never published, as far as he knew, but Mr. Edwards had it on good authority that he still had all of his notes from the interview.

May 27th, 1868

Before we traveled 75 miles back east to Lexington, I wanted to tour the “Burnt District”. On August 25th, 1863, in an attempt to quell the border violence, and to get revenge for the sack of Lawrence, General Thomas Ewing had issued Order #11. Overnight, they created 20,000 refugees from four western Missouri counties. Ewing ordered his troops to engage in looting and other depridations, and the jayhawkers were simply nothing short of barbarous and savage. Animals and farm property were stolen or destroyed; houses, barns and outbuildings burned to the ground. The four counties became a devastated no-man’s-land, with only charred chimneys and burnt stubble showing where homes and thriving communities had once stood.

While the farm fields had long since sprouted green again and some of the communities had begun to rebuild, others towns never recovered.

June 5th 1868

Lexington, Missouri

We moved on to Lexington to meet Mr. Hayes. May had slipped into June and it was now hot and humid. The river town of Lexington had somehow managed to avert the disasters that befell many other towns. A cannonball from a nearby battle had left a hole in the wall of the courthouse. There was otherwise little damage to the town itself.

We met Mr. Hayes in the local restaurant for lunch. The Lexington Telegram had intended to publish his interview but the paper closed down during the height of the fighting and had never re-opened.  Mr. Hayes was working with a new owner to get the paper going again, but it was a long process. None of the newspapers of the larger cities were interested in it now. They said it would “open old wounds” and “retard attempts to move past the war”.

I told Mr. Hayes I thought it important that posterity saw the full picture of the beginnings of the war.  I said that people needed to see how quickly things moved from a war of words to violence. Mr. Hayes replied “Ma’am, if you and Mr. Rowe can get this published to a wider readership, you are welcome to it.”

I have included the interview Mr. Hayes gave us in my journal in the case that we have trouble getting it published.

April 3rd, 1865

John Hayes

North Central Missouri

A source had come to me with information on where I could find William Clarke Quantrill. Much had been written about him. In Missouri he was considered a hero. Elsewhere he had been demonized as a brutal pro-slavery murderer. A survivor of the Sack of Lawrence described him as “one of the most fearless and cold-blooded outlaws in the West. Unlike most early proslavery fighters, he was not guided by any overriding moral principles or political ideology. He was little more than a ruthless, gun slinging desperado and his notorious reputation had left him feared and hated throughout Kansas”. Another survivor claimed “that all of the raiders of Lawrence were drunken savages.”

I wanted to hear it from him, in his own words, the story of how he came to live here and what motivated him to do the things that he did.

I met him at a boarding house in North Central Missouri that I will keep anonymous to protect the owner of the house from retribution. We sat down on the front porch.  A pitcher water and a pint of whiskey was kindly provided by the owner. I sipped on the water and removed my notebook with all of the questions I had written out beforehand.

Hayes: In 1857 the border between Missouri and Kansas had been erupting in violence for 2 years over whether Kansas would be a free state or a slave state. Was it the violence that brought you here?

Quantrill: I and two of my friends boarded a steam boat in Ohio headed to Kansas. It was cheap land in Kansas that brought us here.

Hayes: But there are rumors that you were coming from Mendota, Illinois where you had killed a man.

Quantrill: You never have to run from a dead man…

But, it is true I did kill a man in Mendota

Hayes: They didn’t put you in jail for that?

Quantrill: No, no they decided it was self-defense.

Hayes: So you came to Kansas to farm, initially? And you settled in Marais des Cygnes where John Brown had murdered five people and some of the worst violence in Kansas was going on?

Quantrill: Well, I was only nineteen at the time. I didn’t know anything about what was goin on in Kansas. I was just tryin to make my way in the world.

Hayes: You didn’t last long as a farmer…

Quantrill: Well I knew that farming was not my calling.

Hayes: When you first got to Kansas, you were very impressed with some of the abolitionists and free staters…Jim Lane who later became a Senator and was a leader of the Free Staters in Lawrence. You said “Jim Lane was as good a man as we have here”. So you changed your mind?

Quantrill: I realized that in Kansas, most of the butchery… most of the thieving was done by the abolitionists. John Brown said he was sent by God…they called it some holy right that they had…to do this. Now, I don’t know who has the right to hack up people just because they own slaves.

Hayes: It was true at that point that the Border Ruffians as they were known, came over the border to vote in large numbers in the state of Kansas to make it a slave state and returned to Missouri. Then there was a raid in Lawrence to try to destroy the Eldridge Hotel… (where the Union troop headquarters was located)..

Quantrill: There was a lot of “tit for tat” in those days.

Hayes: Didn’t you eventually joined up with the Border Ruffians in Lawrence?

Quantrill: Well, the truth is, I was a school teacher, but there’s no money in teaching.

Hayes: So you fall in with these various groups of Free Staters, but at the same time you are developing a relationship with the Border Ruffians…and even a group of Quakers? A raid into Missouri is planned, supposedly to free slaves…tell me about the Morgan Walker Farm raid…one of the wealthier farms in eastern Jackson County. It was rather far away from the border.

Quantrill: Well, first off, I didn’t need to convince the abolitionists that they could make a profit and I told them that there was money, and horses, and slaves at the Morgan Walker Ranch, and they were more than willing to go with me. But what they didn’t know is that I talked to Andrew Walker, the son, and I told them we were comin, and set up an ambush for these guys. When I pulled off the raid, we killed four men.  So then, I got arrested and I had to come up with a story that would save my hide. So I told them that I came to Kansas with my older brother from Kentucky and we were going to go to California but we got raided by Jayhawkers. Thirty-two of them killed my brother and left me for dead. There was a Shawnee Indian who saved me and I went after these Jayhawkers, and these abolitionists were part of them…

Hayes: Mr. Quantrill, if I may interrupt you, none of what you just told me is true, is it?

Quantrill: Once a story saves your life it becomes the truth.

Hayes: Then the War Between the States breaks out, and you are in fact a part of the Confederate States of America Forces. You go and fight the first great battle, the Battle of Wilsons Creek near Springfield?

Quantrill: That’s right, Sterling Price’s army.

Hayes: Some accounts said you advanced with the first, fell back with the last and were always cool, and General Price himself, notorious for being indifferent under fire, remarked that your bearing caused mention to be made of you favorably. But other soldiers who were there claim they never saw you. What’s the truth?

Quantrill: The truth is…I was a daring fighter…but I did not like the Army regiment. Wilsons Creek was a slow and bloody battle…moving masses of men back and forth…lining men up and shooting them down. Over 300 men on both sides died. Over 1000 wounded and that was not my type of fighting. Now I was daring, but I had enough of army life after Sterling Price left.

Hayes: After the Battle of Wilsons Creek, a number of things happened. General Freemont is in charge of the western United States for the Union and he issues the first marital law order; and also, partial emancipation for the slaves of anyone endorsing the rebellion. That leads to justification on the part of some Jayhawkers and Jim Lane and others, and they begin raids on several border towns in which looting seems to be the primary object. In fact, Jim Lane said “everything from a Durham cow to a Shanghai chicken must be cleaned out.”

Quantrill: Well if Jim Lane is going to try and butcher the western Missouri towns, then we are going to start doing raids into Kansas. Give them a little taste of their own medicine. Jim Lane went on to Osceola. Osceola was one of the important ports on the Osage River. There were many merchants, many goods there. And he burned it to the ground. Nine people killed, the rest scattered along the hillside. That town never recovered.

Hayes: It’s important to note that you remembered some of the things Jim Lane did personally. He burned down Osceola and killed nine people indiscriminately. They weren’t armed, they weren’t combatants. What about the rules of war, rules about women and unarmed people?

Quantrill: Well, we never harmed the ladies. Southern chivalry was in place for us. For much of the time in the early days we would capture Union troops and parole them when we were done with whatever we were doing.

Hayes: And the word “parole” is kind of an interesting word because the definition of the word parole basically changes from the beginning of the war when you would release the Union soldiers.  Later on in the war, when you would capture Union troops or sympathizers, you would tell your men to go “parole” them, what actually happened?

Quantrill: We would take them out back and shoot them. This was because of General Henry Halleck who said that all guerillas would not be considered Confederate soldiers. I always thought I was a Confederate fighting for the cause.

Hayes: March 13 1862, Halleck issues the order in which he outlaws guerillas and if captured they will not be treated as ordinary prisoners of war but will be hung as robbers and murderers.

Quantrill: We would rarely take Union troops as prisoners after he said that and we would shoot to kill.

Hayes: I wonder how with the brutality of this, how you could create a band of raiders as large as you in fact did? What was it that attracted them to you and how could you convince them to stay when this was so brutal?

Quantrill: Most of them were Jackson County farm boys. They were men like Bill Anderson.

Hayes: You mean Bloody Bill Anderson?

Quantrill: Yes, and Cole Younger, William Greg, Fletch Taylor, most of these boys lost their daddies to Union troops. I didn’t have to convince them of anything. All of the members of my early gang were there for revenge. I didn’t want looters and plunderers; I wanted men that wanted payback. So you would think that they were untrained boys. But they grew up on the Sni…The Sni-A-Bar (creek)… and if you could ride your horses through those deep ravines, those high hills with the rocky slopes…those creeks and caves in there…well, I’ll put their horsemanship up with any in the nation.

Hayes: There does seem to be one thing we are leaving out. The age of everybody in your band?

Quantrill: When the war started I was 24 years old and most of the men were 18, 19 or so.

Hayes: Tell me about George Searcy

Quantrill: Searcy was a Confederate deserter, well, we can forgive that. He was a horse thief, and we can forgive that. But he tried to kill me in my own country and we couldn’t forgive that. So we found him with seventy-five head of horses, it wasn’t hard to find him. We also found deeds and mortgages from various people. Union people and Confederate people…everyone in the area. So we strung him up and he wanted to have a little speech to try to defend himself. We gave him about three or four minutes and realized this speech was never going to end. So we ended it for him. But we returned every horse and every piece of paper. It didn’t matter whether it belonged to a Union or Confederate. We didn’t want anyone to think we had anything to do with a son-of-a-bitch like that.

Hayes: But then there’s the story, after Halleck’s order, you go to a bridge over the Little Blue River chasing a Union army sergeant and you notice he’s a German. In that area they are known as Dutch.

Quantrill: Oh, yes, the Dutchmen.

Hayes: The Germans in St Louis were instrumental in helping the Union victory in St Louis at the beginning of the war. What happened to that Dutch sergeant?

Quantrill: Well he was the first to feel our “no quarter policy” and we shot him down dead, by the bridge.

Hayes: And the bridge keeper who was accused by one of your men of being a spy. You had a little trial for him?

Quantrill: Two minute trials, yes. And we shot him, too.

Hayes: Is it true that you shot him right in front of his four year old daughter? Right after Halleck’s order, making you a subject to immediate termination? Then the Confederate States congress passes the Partisan Ranger Act, April 21th 1862. Theoretically this made you a Confederate Soldier. So then you go to Virginia to ask for a promotion to Colonel.

Quantrill: Well if they weren’t going to take Captain seriously, then maybe they would take a Colonel seriously. But I never actually made it to Virginia. If they don’t think a Captain means anything, I can call myself a Colonel and it won’t mean anything either.

Hayes: After these orders were in place, and you were identified as a Partisan Ranger, didn’t you start robbing the mail, banks, farms, steamboats…

Quantrill: Anything to stop the communication of Union troops. Anything to put them into disarray.

Hayes: But the traditional rules of war begin to be violated all over place, by both sides of the conflict. The Federal government sent out a whole series of men to try and get control of this but it never worked out the way they wanted it to, did it?

Quantrill: Not when General Thomas Ewing Jr. came.

Hayes: Ewing began to do things that were different from anything anyone else had done. For instance, he started to round up women.

Quantrill: Yes, any girls that were relatives or loved ones of the guerillas and raiders. He locked ‘em up in Kansas City.

Hayes: Isn’t it true that you were able to survive in the ravines of Sni-A-Bar in eastern Jackson County in part because the farms in that part of Missouri were owned by Southern sympathizers? In fact, you lived off of them, essentially?

Quantrill: Absolutely, we were fighting for the people. If we didn’t have any help we couldn’t have done what we did. We could go to any farm, we could hide out in any bush. We could have people find food and ammunition for us. We were not alone.

Hayes: So General Ewing is trying to cut off your source of supply.

Quantrill: By taking the wives, sisters, cousins, and little girls that were friends of the raiders. If you know anything about Southern Chivalry, we would not harm the women. But these Union men wanted to change the rules again. Locking them up in a second story room, above a saloon and a storehouse, next to a bawdy house.

Hayes: And it’s at this moment in August of 1863, you begin to think about raiding Lawrence. Why Lawrence?

Quantrill: Lawrence was the great hotbed of abolitionism in Kansas. And Lawrence was where Jim Lane lived.

Hayes: So then you gather your men together for a meeting? What happened in this meeting?

Quantrill: We had an all-night war council. Some of the men thought it was very dangerous to go to Lawrence, the heart of the Free State. We had to convince a few of them. It was 50 miles away. You can ride 25 miles on a horse with no ill effects. But you ride 50 miles and your gonna have some trouble. There’s Union troops all scattered about there. We could easily be seen by some of them. Then even if we get there, how are we getting out? It was a dangerous mission.

Hayes: And yet, your war council voted unanimously to do it?

Quantrill: All I had to do was ask the men if any atrocities had been done to them or their loved ones over the years by Jayhawkers and Red Legs and Union troops. They could all recite something horrible.

Hayes: But the atrocity the northern newspapers described, that doesn’t explain why you went so far, killed so many men.

Quantrill: It took a week to prepare for the raid. Right in the middle of planning, on August 13th, the building that housed the women collapsed. These women were related in some way to the men in my band. The building fell to the ground killing a number of them and maiming the rest. Two were sisters of Bloody Bill Anderson. One of them died. Some say it was an accident. Others say they saw the store merchant pulling his merchandise out of the building that same day. Some say they saw Union soldiers cutting the girders, maybe going to the bawdy house. Maybe on the orders of Ewing. Maybe it was sabotage.

Hayes: They were the first women to die in this part of the war.

Quantrill: And a man like Bloody Bill Anderson, he didn’t need any more motivation to kill. But his revenge could not be satiated after that day.

Hayes: Then you and your men headed to Lawrence?

Quantrill: It took us two days. There was a group of Confederate soldiers that joined our band. I started with 150 men. Bill Anderson brought 40 and Andy Blunt, 100. That gave us nearly 300. Then we met Colonel Holt with a hundred more men. New recruits from northern Missouri. We invited them to Lawrence to “christen” the troops.

Hayes: So when you get to Lawrence, who was the first person to meet you?

Quantrill: Reverend Snyder who was a Lieutenant in the colored infantry. He was milking a cow. He was initiated as the first victim of Lawrence. We charged down Massachusetts Street.

Hayes: I have an account from one of the survivors that was published in the Kansas City paper. The horsemanship of the guerillas was perfect. They rode with the ease and abandon that is acquired by someone who spent a lifetime in the saddle amid desperate scenes. Their horses scarcely seemed to touch the ground and the riders sat upon them with bodies erect and arms perfectly free. Revolvers on full cock shooting at every house and man they passed yelling like demons at every bound. On each side of this stream of fire were men falling dead and wounded. Women and children, half-dressed running and screaming. Some trying to escape from danger and some were rushing to the side of their murdered friends.

Quantrill: Remember, this is five in the morning. All these people were still asleep when we got to town. And they did have two regiments there. One white, one colored. One was on New Hampshire Street, one was on Vermont. I was going straight down Massachusetts Street. And the white regiment barely got out their tents before we wiped them all out. And the colored regiment did what unarmed men should have done. Run for the river. There was a city ordinance that said that no man could carry a firearm in Lawrence. They were all packed away in an armory. That left the entire town defenseless.

Hayes: What happened when you got the Eldridge Hotel?

Quantrill: Well the Eldridge looked like a fortress. Four stories high, iron wrought bars on the windows. If you could control the Eldridge House, you could control Lawrence. Before I could even get a shot off, a white sheet dangled from an upstairs window. It was the state Provost Marshall of Kansas. Alexander Banks came down to greet us. Asked what our business was. And I said “Justice…and plunder”. And he looked at me strangely and he said “Those two things rarely go together.” I smiled and said “When they do, it’s all the sweeter.”  Now, those that wanted to kill, could kill. But we were going to burn Lawrence to the ground that day. Make them pay for everything they had done since the beginning of the war and before.

I went after Jim Lane but I didn’t capture him. Regrettably, he saw that colored regiment run past his place and he followed suit… crawling on his belly through the cornfields.

Hayes: It’s said by the end of the day as many as 200 men, and boys as young as 11 were shot and killed by your men. That’s an extraordinary thing. It may have been the bloodiest killing of civilians in the entire war.

At this point, Mr. Quantrill poured himself a shot of whiskey and downed it. I continued to sip on my water.

Quantrill: If they looked tall enough to shoot a gun, we shot them. None of us regretted being at Lawrence that day. We were proud to avenge our fathers and mothers and sisters.

Hayes: You left Lawrence triumphant and retreated to Jackson County. The soldiers were on your tail and as many as 90 or 100 of your men were lost. Then in September you would have thought things would have ended with this but they don’t.

Quantrill: I called for men and over 500 came… because of General Order #11.

Hayes: The order to depopulate Jackson county and four other counties.

Quantrill: They wept for the men and boys that died in Lawrence. So they force out 20,000 people. They killed them while they left. They burned their homes. Now it’s called the Burnt District. He burned the border down! So we went back into Kansas with 500 men.

Hayes: It’s seems inconceivable that you could raise up that many men after the depopulation of the county!

Quantrill: Yes, we headed south into Kansas to the Cherokee country and came to Baxter Springs. There were wagons with lumber going that way. They said they were going to Fort Blair. None of us had heard of Fort Blair. So we went to check it out. And it was a half made fort. We came across General Blunt. I had 300 men at the time, he had 100. It was simple arithmetic. So we fought the Battle of Baxter Springs.

Hayes: General Blunt was organizing a military band. Many of these men were musicians. Some say this battle and Lawrence were the only military victories for the Confederates in the west at this time.

Quantrill: Well, we were doing something right, then.

Hayes: So, after that, your band begins to break up. Bloody Bill goes his own way and you head off this way. Where do you plan to go now?

Quantrill: Well I have to worry about bounty hunters. I would rather not say, unless you promise to keep it off the record.

Hayes: Alright then, this part of the interview I will not publish.

Quantrill: The congress repealed the Partisan Ranger act. I’m taking a few men and heading to Kentucky.

With that, William Clarke Quantrill stood up. He said he had an appointment to keep. I shook his hand and watched as he walked down the sidewalk.

 

June 6th, 1868

As I finished reading the interview notes, I thought about the rest of Chapter 2 of Mr. Edwards manuscript.

As strange as it may seem, the perilous fascination of fighting under a black flag – where the wounded could have neither surgeon nor hospital, and where all that remained to the prisoners was the absolute certainty of speedy death – attracted a number of young men to the various Guerrilla bands, gently nurtured, born to higher destinies, capable of sustained exertion in any scheme or enterprise, and fit for callings high up in the scale of science or philosophy. Others came who had deadly wrongs to avenge, and these gave to all their combats that sanguinary hue which still remains a part of the Guerrilla’s legacy…

 As this class of Guerrillas increased, the warfare of the border became necessarily more cruel and unsparing. Where at first there was only killing in ordinary battle, there became to be no quarter shown.

***************************************************************************************

August 22, 2018

William Clarke Quantrill was shot in the back by a bounty hunter, which left him paralyzed. While lying on the ground, a pot shot took off his trigger finger before he could shoot back at the bounty hunter. He was taken to a hospital in Louisville, Kentucky where he died at the age of 27. Missouri. IHIHis grave is adorned by anonymous admirers to this day.

The People of Osceola have not forgotten the misfortune of the town’s original settlers. In 2011, Osceola’s Board of Aldermen resolved to request that the University of Kansas cease using the Jayhawk mascot and to use the lower-case to spell “kansas” and “ku” because “neither is a proper name or a proper place”.

Tom Rafiner, a Missouri historian, is a descendant of two families who were displaced – first by James Lane’s Kansas brigade, which marched over 600 miles in western Missouri plundering and burning farms; and later by Union military Order No. 11, which ordered the evacuation of the four Missouri counties.

“I think the bloodshed that occurred in Lawrence was catastrophic,” Rafiner said. “The fact that Lawrence was attacked isn’t surprising. It was in retaliation for what Lane did to Missouri, and Lane lived in Lawrence. If people wanted to know what would be the most likely place for Missouri raiders to attack, it would be Lawrence.

“But then, people in Kansas don’t want to talk about all the towns and villages and farmers that were burned to the ground by Kansas troops and raiders.”

Excerpted From the Wichita Eagle August 17th 2013

Every day it seems there is another incident to add to the growing list of provocations by the left who, it seems, actually want to start a shooting war between Americans. Does it have to become personal again? Has it already and we just don’t know it yet?

 

Credits:

The “interview” with Quantrill was adapted from the Kansas City Public Library’s “Meet the Past – William Clarke Quantrill” available on Youtube. The library uses historically accurate accounts for its Meet the Past series.

The Kansas City Public Library’s website: Civil War on the Western Border for the amazing wealth of information there, specifically the information on the women’s prison and Order #11. Cousin Clara is fictional but Josie Anderson, Bill Anderson’s sister was 15 when she died in the building collapse. The illustration of the Raid on Lawrence entitled “The War In Kansas – Fearful Massacre at Lawrence by Quantrell’s Guerillas” originally published in Frank Leslie’s Illustrated Newspaper, September 12, 1863.  The “newspaper clippings from Aunt Hannah” are from actual newspaper excerpts from this site, as well.

http://www.civilwaronthewesternborder.org

The Missouri Partisan Ranger, for the excerpt of the Edwards book Noted Guerillas – Or The Warfare of the Border. The picture at the top entitled “Order #11,  by Caleb Scott Bingham”, and the photographs of Quantrill.

http://www.rulen.com/partisan/index2.htm

Survivor accounts from the raid on Lawrence are from the book Pioneer Women: Voices From the Kansas Frontier by Johanna Stratton.

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Maggie
Maggie
August 22, 2018 3:19 pm

I wannabefirst.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Maggie
August 22, 2018 10:24 pm

Why were you in the hospital? You have my email, so email me.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
August 23, 2018 3:25 am

Well, forgive me. I didn’t get back in typing position until now. I have a little gem of a tale I plan to share on Stuckenheimer’s post, but thought I’d drop this here and let you know I indeed finished your fine article, enjoyed it greatly and am promptly sharing it with my twelve hillbilly friends now that my WIFI is tied into their network again.

I think I’ve found the missing link in the absence of testosterone in young men (and some of you old limp you-know-whats.) We know about the styrenes and the plasticines and the toxicity of modern medicine which tries to convince us it is much better for someone to synthesize something from chemical ingredients rather than take it from the plant, animal or mineral source where some business minded expert in MODERN MEDICINE discovered it.

My doctor and I discussed his recent vacation to Peru, where they traversed large mountainess regions to visit clinics where miraculous natural medical cures happen quite often, it seems (If you follow that stuff and I kinda sorta do.)

So watch this clip (it should start around the 20 minutes mark and commence with a hot biker chick placing a baby on a blanket and abandoning it to go initiate (why do I hear Foxworthy saying …and then she ate. HSF?) Wendy by throwing her into a pit with a wolf (and, please, EC old pal of mine be tolerant of my reference to the hick who really aren’t one and avoid the blatant and brutal honesty of George Lopez discovering his own shift manager was doing his mother in the breakroom. Whatchoo sayin man…. you donah know what initiate means? In my neighborhood, going into the pit with the wolf just meant going home to Gramma’s after school?) So, EC, do me a favor and see if you agree that Wendy just kind of flings herself into the pit with the wolf around the 24 minute mark? If you don’t wanna, meh….

Stuckey. This is the reason men stopped being men. And I don’t care how many times you feel the urge to whack off during this five minute clip, the underlying messages portrayed here are extremely disturbing (nods reluctantly to YoYoMah) and distributed to a generation of Exxers with the texters and some bizarre forgotten generation, who somehow slipped in between my joining the Air Force and flying around in jet jammies and looking around without the rose colored glasses for a while. I was busy being what everyone was supposed to want to be, and since I was a bit of an oddball, I never did quite pay attention to pop culture. It bores me. Don’t get me wrong! I like a good satyre and am not a prude, but it frankly bored me trying to wear leather pants and pretend I LIKED it. Please, EC…do NOT drag it out.

So, Stucky, you have really given me a lot of food for thought and I’ve appreciated the fodder whilst I scared the hell out of my Nick again and stole my son’s grande celebre at having completed a Computer Engineering program at a very reputable school Missouri S & T with a GPA worth bragging about but mostly thank the laude. So, congratulations son and whilst he’s popping off for interviews and looking at options, I am slowly becoming aware something doesn’t feel right. So, for my young man, who once took his father’s direction to keep an eye on your mother’s blood pressure it drops to almost nothing without warning as meaning he was to lay on floor beside me as they put me on a three hour antibiotic drip to curtail an infection in my shunt tube while my Nick was flying a mission with students in the simulator, gasp for air…, I remind him being my son is no walk in the park. Yet again.

But, I would not trade being his mother for anything in the world. I don’t understand why those damn liberal bitches traded in being able to do the one thing Adam could not do so they could ride the cash cow.

I believe that is what the serpent taunted Eve with at that tree.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
August 23, 2018 3:48 am

Oh, and Admin, in spite of this charming whale of a tale of mine, please do not make it a survey question and not any of you other staff monkeys. Those are worse than staff infections… Teehee RiNS, you and your punsmanship. or even misdirections, Mr. Lagerstein with the lovely brew I can’t have for at least a week. Sigh.

Mary Christine, a casserole sounds lovely, but my adhesions on intestinal tissue finally did, indeed, their worst, but I have prevailed and will ride again. I am repaired once again at the last minute thanks to my heroic duo.

I hope to finish the other little vignette for Stucky’s most excellent history lesson. It quite nicely accompanies this post, Mary. You vamp…. you are after my Stuckenheimer, aren’t you?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Maggie
August 23, 2018 7:54 am

Lagerstein…(grinning)…I like it. Thx for the nod. Your preference? The monk, or the blonde?
See, a week or two will fly by in no time, well before the leaves start dropping. I can oblige a good bud. Especially one who is on the mend.
Heal up and get well soon. Your article on plastic bottles has me really intrigued.
(‘tho, I’ve yet to view the above video. Time is short, currently. Must ration it to my devotions)
I was directed by a nutritionist that Aquafina (Pepsico) bottled water was the best, since
their process uses reverse osmosis. But, they only offer it in those damn plastic bottles.
And of course, municipal supplied tap water is to be avoided at all costs, with its inherent additives to try and kill the funk in recycled waste water. Perhaps I really should just consume ales and lagers with all meals and when parched.
Lunch breaks at work would not approve of such an endeavor.
Hopefully, our beloved beaner w/ many monikers realizes I’ve taken a few cues (not Q’s) from him, upvote him consistently, and might need to know that I’m not an alky. Just enjoy an occasional, without getting too sloppy. Can’t bounce back from those benders like in younger days. ‘sides…it isn’t worth the after effects anymore. Healthy practices includes dropping some habits, and adding others with discipline, as we get older and more wise, to try and avoid hospitals, Docs, and all types of inflammation / disease. Hangovers, headaches, digestive issues.
Excessive red wine es malo, tambien. Even though they say a small amount has benefits.
But, I’ve digressed. So, what’ll it be? Monk? Blonde? Both? LMK.
Cheers to you.

Maggie
Maggie
  Anonymous
August 23, 2018 9:57 am

Monk. Four. The young man did just graduate from a major learning institution and I’ve decided to allow him to drink beer. One.

I want three. Nick might get to share one. I am feeling a bit stingy.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Maggie
August 23, 2018 10:20 am

resp. rec’d.

Stucky
Stucky
  Maggie
August 21, 2019 3:15 pm

Maggie, so sorry to hear about some of your medical issues which seem quite serious. But, delighted that you keep winning. You’re one tough gal.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
August 23, 2018 3:56 am

And, I believe that is what is ultimately at stake now.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
August 23, 2018 7:48 am

So my son patiently, kindly, and resolutely got up at 4 a.m. to make that wonderful French toast he makes with a side of scrambled eggs made with real cream. Real Cream.

And Sea Salt, from the North Atlantic, purchased just after Fukushima and ground carefully to provide the magnesium from natural salts you just don’t really get from that Morton family.

There is something happening here, folks. I think those of us who hear/detect/sense the signals on the very essence of the Source need to cut to the quick and start communicating.

Right. Now.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
August 23, 2018 7:54 am

And, no, I will be back at the simple farm life in days, not weeks, but it was, once again, a close call. I keeps dem angels buzzy.

Not BUSY moran. I’m more maroon today.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Maggie
August 23, 2018 9:43 am

I got a UPS retiree luncheon today so I won’t be online much. I will watch your video while I’m getting ready to go. I’ve done plenty of research on how we are being poisoned. It’s nearly impossible to avoid even when you grow your own food and yes I do need to detox.

The angels are wondering what they did to be assigned to a troublemaker like you.

Maggie
Maggie
  Mary Christine
August 23, 2018 9:59 am

They thought someone said sprain when they plopped in my brain.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
August 23, 2018 9:52 am

This should be the second linked video. Easy Wheels, 1989. When we’d travelled down the road searching for disaster and found it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHAWvc6L-ok&feature=player_embedded

20:34 to start… five minutes to see all I need you to see.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
August 24, 2018 4:25 am

This was the five minute clip I wanted reviewed and opinions garnered. I dropped the Jay Nielson video in the op by mistake.

Anyway, like I said… this movie (if you insist on defending it as one) is disturbing.

mark
mark
  Maggie
August 21, 2019 11:00 am

Maggie,

This is right up my ally, but have to do chores and fall planting is starting. Will save this for later!

I watch Reluctant Preppers all the time.

robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr
August 22, 2018 3:34 pm

The Liberls buried the hatchet (in the Whites and Asians). Payback is going to be hell.

Peter Parker
Peter Parker
  robert h siddell jr
August 23, 2018 7:05 am

The curious thing is how the press loves the Democrats. Michael Hastings was the journalist exposing the surveillance state. Hastings wrote about the investigation of reporters by the U.S. Department of Justice back in 2013. He said that the restrictions on the freedom of the press by the Obama administration were a “war” on journalism. He wrote his last story before he died in what may have been a cyber attack. Someone was able to control his car remotely and drove it into a tree at top speed. His last story was entitled: “Why Democrats Love to Spy On Americans”, published by BuzzFeed on June 7, 2013. Any journalist who goes for the truth about the Deep States seems to end up dead.

Read the rest here

The Press Conspire to Influence the Elections Come November 2018 to Overthrow Trump

nkit
nkit
August 22, 2018 3:38 pm

Very interesting read, Mary Christine. Thank you very much. I’ve spent many a night in the Eldridge Hotel, which many claim is haunted. Last time there was in the mid 1990s. A very nice place it was, and hopefully still is.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  nkit
August 22, 2018 10:09 pm

Nkit, it’s a very nice hotel and restaurant. Lawrence is a bastion of Liberal thought. They haven’t learnt their lesson about defending yourself. Not much has changed.

nkit
nkit
  Mary Christine
August 23, 2018 12:13 am

They had a great bar in the basement where you threw peanut shells on the floor and pretty much anything went,even though I was older…I had some wonderful times in Lawrence..ghosts be damned….Comfy as hell…Slanted parking on Main st.. to hell with the LIBS… go Packer Plastics…

jamesthedeplorablewanderer
jamesthedeplorablewanderer
August 22, 2018 3:56 pm

Some of us remember these times in our blood – others, not so much. When the time comes for the redress of grievances, those who remember these times will cry – and mourn – and pull the trigger anyway, because evil unredressed is evil encouraged. And we don’t hold with evil.
Sorry for using YouTube – can’t find this on Real.Video

Gator
Gator
  jamesthedeplorablewanderer
August 22, 2018 10:48 pm

Did enjoy that movie and show. Too bad that guy is a shitlib in real life, just like most of the rest of them. The real Nathan Fillion would be on the side of the people he is trying to fight in the movie.

Uncola
Uncola
August 22, 2018 4:11 pm

Thanks MC. I had to read it twice in order to understand the “skeleton key of context”. Also, your post is timely. I believe the anniversary of the Lawrence massacre was yesterday.

Uncola
Uncola
  Uncola
August 22, 2018 6:11 pm

Also, just a couple of interesting take-a-ways from the piece:

You never have to run from a dead man…

and

There was a city ordinance that said that no man could carry a firearm in Lawrence. They were all packed away in an armory. That left the entire town defenseless.

Gator
Gator
  Uncola
August 22, 2018 7:09 pm

Ya that second one jumped out at me, too. Doing that, and advertising it, is just asking for such a thing to happen. Especially back then, with such a conflict raging, that was madness. But even the anti-gun proponents know not to advertise this about themselves. You see those joke signs in yards on the internet, and activists trying to hand out yard signs that say “this house is proudly gun free” to anti-gun activists, but no one is stupid enough to actually put them in their yards. Doing so puts you at the mercy of everyone with a gun, and even those on the left are smart enough to figure that out.

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
  Uncola
August 22, 2018 9:19 pm

To bad Lawrence recovered. It is the geographical communist center of the United States.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Uncola
August 22, 2018 10:12 pm

Absolutely, and “Once a story saves your hide, it becomes truth”

They haven’t learned their lesson about arming yourself for protection. It is a bastion of liberal ideology, like most university towns.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Uncola
August 21, 2019 6:50 pm

I live near Mendota Illinois and never had heard Quantrill was from there. Wild Bill Hickok lived close by as well. There is a new statue of him in Troy Grove. Both in LaSalle County. This area was pretty wild and was part of where the Blackhawk war had been fought in 1832 and a battleground of Native Americans from the “Conspiracy of Pontiac.” Also terrorized by a large criminal gang known as the Banditii of the Prairie in the 1840’s. Wyatt Earp was from a bit further south and Buffalo Bill a jaunt down I-80 to the west. Hard men from what at the time was a hard place.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Uncola
August 22, 2018 10:13 pm

August 23rd, 1863 to be exact.

Uncola
Uncola
  Mary Christine
August 23, 2018 2:32 am

I think it was August 21st. Someone close to me has that birthday, and I once made that connection while researching Bleeding Kansas.

Either way, good timing

Maggie
Maggie
  Uncola
August 23, 2018 3:57 am

I think Mary could be my sister by another mother. Does she know my real name is Martha?

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Uncola
August 23, 2018 7:50 pm

Yep, Uncola, you are correct, sir. I was always screwing up the dates in my history classes.

My next essay will.not.include dates. So I at least won’t mess up that part.?

22winmag - Hug a Nazi, punch a Socialist!
22winmag - Hug a Nazi, punch a Socialist!
August 22, 2018 4:16 pm

THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES

Gator
Gator

One of my all time favorite movies. Take all of that from a man, he will fight you to the death.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Reckon so…

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson
  Anonymous
August 21, 2019 6:53 pm

“Buzzards need to eat, same as worms.”

foot in the forest
foot in the forest
August 22, 2018 4:23 pm

If it is not personal for you yet, it will be. The progressive/neocon/globalist agenda does not stop or take prisoners. Submit or die is the only choice. Enjoy the time you have for a good read now because in the future you may just be living the modern version of history. May you live in interesting times.

22winmag - Hug a Nazi, punch a Socialist!
22winmag - Hug a Nazi, punch a Socialist!
  foot in the forest
August 22, 2018 7:46 pm

“You may not take an interest in politics, but politics may take an interest in you.”

-Some ancient dude

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

“All men will be judged politically, regardless of military record.” From Boris Pasternak’s “Doctor Zhivago.”

mark
mark
  Harrington Richardson
August 21, 2019 1:33 pm

“All men who fight…will fight back unequally, because of their miltary record.” From a Survivor’s long memory.

22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
  mark
August 21, 2019 5:30 pm

I wonder who was posting under my handle with exact lines I’ve used before.

mark
mark
  foot in the forest
August 21, 2019 1:30 pm

“Submit or die is the only choice.”

foot,

You mean like take a Mark or something like that?

Gator
Gator
August 22, 2018 5:55 pm

I wish more people would read this. Read it and then actually learn from it. It also infuriates me to no end to hear people insist all of this was over slavery. Civil wars also bring out the worst of atrocities. But, that it’s even called a ‘civil war’ annoys me, too. A civil war implies two or more opposing groups fighting for control of the government/country. This was half the country trying to leave, and go its own way. The War of Northern Aggression fits better.

This is useful information in a variety of ways. First off, the reason these fighters were so effective is because they’d spent their entire lives shooting. Raised on it. Same with riding horses, another critical skill back then. There is no substitute for practice and training. When it comes to the type of people in modern America capable of pulling off such things, I’d be willing to bet the right has the advantage by at least 10-1 in that regard. Simply being able to pull a trigger and willing to do terrible things isn’t enough. Its takes training, practice, and lots of it to be an effective fighter. Couple these things with giving such capable men a feeling of having nothing left to lose, and you will have a force to be reckoned with.

Another reason I wish people would appreciate such notions is our foreign policy. Every thermobaric we drop on some shithole town in the middle east creates more terrorists than it kills. Today’s youngest, and likely most ferocious, fighters in Afghanistan are of the generation that have never known anything other than US occupation. We’ve been there 17 years. When you go around carelessly blowing people and their shit to smithereens as we have been doing there, you will create enemies for life. Kill a man’s family, he will never stop. These are enemies that will fight you until the very end, with no quarter given. And when you do finally kill them, you often cause collateral damage that ends up creating….the exact same type of person you just killed. Its a self reinforcing negative feedback loop. It is a battle we will NEVER win. According to Eric Margolis on LRC, we are at 4 T and counting on how much money we’ve spent. Thousands of US soldiers have died, multiples of that have been wounded, and more veterans of that conflict kill themselves every day. We have no idea how many Afghans we’ve killed, either. And all for nothing, because we keep creating more guerillas than we can kill. The only way to win this game is to not play.

Sorry, TL/DR.

Tennessee Budd
Tennessee Budd
  Gator
August 22, 2018 7:18 pm

Gator, your first paragraph makes the same point I’ve been trying to make to people for some years now:
“A civil war implies two or more opposing groups fighting for control of the government/country.”
That is, almost verbatim, the way I put it. Our people didn’t want to take over the Union, or seize Washington (except as it might be useful militarily, and temporarily). The South just wanted to be left alone. We still do; now as then, however, we have a limit beyond which we won’t be pushed.
Of all the impressive things Quantrill did, the story adds one which staggers me, and throws all the others into the shade:
“…we headed south into Kansas…” Coming from Missouri, heading south, and arriving in Kansas is a feat that strikes awe.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Tennessee Budd
August 22, 2018 10:18 pm

Tennessee Budd, it was into a southern part of Kansas from a more northern part of Missouri.

Fjord
Fjord
  Gator
August 22, 2018 7:45 pm

It’s not all for nothing. It feeds the military industrial complex that we were warned about.

Many people profit from war. This isn’t meant to end or solve anything.

Gator
Gator
  Fjord
August 22, 2018 11:48 pm

I’m aware of why it’s done, and i agree with you 100% – they aren’t meant to be won, they are meant to be continuous. Orwell certainly got that right. What I don’t understand is how so few people have figured it out by this point. I know they are fed propaganda 24/7, and the main argument most people have is inherently flawed. Perpetual war has become the norm in nearly every facet of American politics and the media, which I suppose isn’t surprising considering the same people own both. In today’s world, the argument is no longer even about whether or not we should be militarily active in all these countries, that we should, in perpetuity, has already been decided. The only real discussion thats allowed is to what extent. But, the truth is available, on the internet, so there really isn’t any excuse anymore for not finding it. Its disappointing, but hardly surprising, that more people don’t understand this.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  Gator
August 22, 2019 3:41 am

I can only give you one up vote, Gator.

” But, the truth is available, on the internet, so there really isn’t any excuse anymore for not finding it.”

For now,,, the Ministry of Truth is working on it, and the search will soon be fruitless.

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum<<– I still see it all as steps to fulfilling this plan

I watch/monitor what I consider to be 'controlled' opposition out of Tx. ;

https://www.infowars.com/must-see-interview-google-whistleblower-exposes-big-techs-agenda/

Not Sure
Not Sure
August 22, 2018 5:57 pm

Thank you for a riveting glimpse of history that I had not been aware of. Raised in Pittsburgh, I have toured the battlefields in the area, the most informative of relating the history of the civil war to me was Gettysburg; I was pretty ignorant of the western conflict until I read your article.
Concerning the comparisons of the past and present lead up to civil war, I believe the Missouri/Kansas war was fed by the larger war of aggression that formed the large competing armies together to attack and avenge each other in greater and greater swings of violence. I agree we are ripe for a boiling over, but feel that the liberal component will cower in fear behind their masks and only attack the weak and those unable to defend themselves, with the response to such attacks applied surgically to the cowards who have had the misfortune of being identified.
Soros does not seem to be able to muster an army yet, but I can see that change radically and instantaneously in the event of an overnight economic crisis.
Thank you again for bringing together such an informative and deeply personal article, it’s a part of history I will need to spend more time to get to know the players and outcomes.

James
James
  Not Sure
August 22, 2018 6:41 pm

Bloody parts of this countries history,we will learn from it and avoid bloodshed or will we learn from it and end up having to shed blood.

RiNS
RiNS
August 22, 2018 7:40 pm

Enjoyed reading that MC. and as with Uncola I was truck by this quote..

You never have to run from a dead man…

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  RiNS
August 22, 2018 10:19 pm

It’s the ugly truth, isn’t it RiNS?

Maggie
Maggie
  RiNS
August 23, 2018 4:01 am

And you never have to run after a dead rabbit. Nick’s going to have to slaughter and slay this go round. I’m a bit under weather.

And NO… Simon did not gore me. He wants to. He is now living with a very delighted little Pyrenese female I rescued and who has never been a house dog, like the big guy I call my favorite son. He is here snoring with me now.

RiNS
RiNS
  Maggie
August 23, 2018 12:20 pm

Saw this video and
Thought of this thread.

This is how wars are won.

Sherman won. Got a parade.
Zukov won. A Hero was made
Doneitz lost. Got Ten Year stay.
Quantrill well then it’s not Okay…

He gets hunted down, taken out.
Just like those hogs running about.
And there folks you see is the flaw
Don’t be a Guerrilla Because

There’s no honour among killers
Unless it is sanctioned by State.

RiNS
RiNS
  RiNS
August 23, 2018 2:59 pm

What I find really interesting in this video is that by end the guy on bike dispenses with the gun and just runs over everything that get in his way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman%27s_March_to_the_Sea

Much as Sherman on road to Atlanta
And Zukov on his way to Berlin…

http://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/georgi-zhukov-and-ivan-konev-the-race-to-berlin/

…and with dust in throat I crave
Only knowledge will I save
To the game you stay a slave

Rover, wanderer
Nomad, vagabond
Call me what you will

But I’ll take my time anywhere
Free to speak my mind anywhere
And I’ll redefine anywhere

Anywhere I roam
Where I lay my head is home

Maggie
Maggie
  RiNS
August 24, 2018 4:29 am

Good analogy. Yes. Feral hogs are serious business. We have a couple around here with shoot to kill orders.

Montefrío
Montefrío
  RiNS
August 21, 2019 4:12 pm

While that’s true, one should take into account that the dead man may have relatives or friends who will happily chase you whether you’re running, walking, driving a vehicle…

GilbertS
GilbertS
August 22, 2018 7:42 pm

Look up Arkan’s Tigers some time. That is our future. Somewhere, a pastry chef or petty burglar is months or years away from his rendezvous with destiny as the leader of what will be remembered as one of America’s most violent, fightingest, nastiest group of patriotic paramilitaries/terrorists since the Bummers.
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22winmag - Q is a Psyop and Trump is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a Psyop and Trump is lead actor
  GilbertS
August 23, 2018 8:02 am

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

e.d. ott
e.d. ott

…. and freedom is just another word for “nothing left to lose.”

As an American, I got to see the results of the Balkan ethno-religious and political wars myself after a couple deployments there. Displaced people, homes seeded with anti-tank or anti-personnel mines, abandoned villages filled with bullet holes and stray pets, and people – Serbs, mostly, mounring their dead buried on the hillside near the abandoned ice hockey rink in Sarajevo that was my home for a while.
I have a dread feeling this is what’s coming to America because people cannot, will not, refuse to give up their personal hatred and lust for revenge. It creates a circular wheel of pain time doesn’t seem to fix.
People should be careful what they wish for.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  e.d. ott
August 21, 2019 11:04 am

Yesterday I was listening to a radio show called Fault Lines with Lee Stranahan and Garland Nixon. Most of the time I find myself agreeing with one or both of them. But yesterday they were discussing red flag laws with a guest and the civil war topic came up. They insisted that it was the far right that wants a civil war. That is not what I see at all. The south always gets blamed for starting the civil war. If another one occurs, expect the blame to be laid at the feet of so called “white supremacists”. If you are white and non-apologetic, you are automatically considered to be a white supremacist.

Montefrío
Montefrío
  Mary Christine
August 21, 2019 4:23 pm

A bit off topic, but…

I am not a Southerner, although I did live for a time in two Southern states and found the folks there hospitable, courteous, cordial and willing to converse with a very obvious Yankee. I suspect that the fact that I was often in agreement with them helped.

Those with an interest in very well presented “pro-South” essays would appreciate the work being done by the Abbeville Institute: http://www.abbevilleinstitute.org It’s a favorite of mine and I’m grateful for much that I’ve learned from their serious scholars.

22winmag - Discharged in 1993 those were the days
22winmag - Discharged in 1993 those were the days
  Mary Christine
August 21, 2019 5:02 pm

Mary, the #1 manufactured, fake White Nationalist is this guy: http://mileswmathis.com/spence.pdf

Whatever a White Nationalist is(?)

It’s important to know what between him and fake conservative upcoming politicians like Crenshaw, that many figures on the “right” are in fact BOUGHT AND PAID FOR GOVERNMENT MOLES!

Miles Long
Miles Long
  Mary Christine
August 21, 2019 9:37 pm

Blame will be put on the losers. Remember… the winners write the history. That fact, itself, is a reason to win.

22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
  e.d. ott
August 21, 2019 4:58 pm

Odd, I didn’t post that Patriotism comment this morning.

Imposters are posting comments, beware!

Peter Parker
Peter Parker
  GilbertS
August 23, 2018 9:03 am

Danforth Shooting Still Shrouded in Mystery

Canadians Need the Truth About Toronto’s Danforth Avenue Terrorist Attack

Canadians Need the Truth About Toronto’s Danforth Avenue Terrorist Attack
By Scott Newark | algemeiner.com | August 22, 2018
Wikipedia
It’s been more than four weeks since the murderous shooting attack on Toronto’s Danforth Avenue, a famous outdoor dining location that is also home to the city’s Greek community. Canadians were understandably horrified when they saw video images of 29-year-old Faisal Hussain casually walking down the street and opening fire on people who were doing nothing more than enjoying themselves on a Sunday evening. The shooting continued as Hussain crisscrossed the street, firing dozens of shots from a handgun, which he repeatedly reloaded.

Hussain killed 18-year-old Reese Fallon and 10-year-old Juliana Kozis, and wounded 13 other people, including a young woman who may be paralyzed for life. Toronto Police were quick to arrive on the scene and unconfirmed reports say that Faisal Hussain shot himself to death after an exchange of gunfire.

Unlike other attacks targeting crowded public areas, there was no immediate indication of why Hussain carried out his July 22 attack. He made no statements during the attacks, and apparently police have found no evidence that suggests a motive. This uncertainty has created understandable public concern.

Toronto Police identified Hussain as the shooter shortly after the attack, and said they were in the process of executing search warrants to examine his electronic devices for any insights into his motivation.

On the day after the mass shootings, Hussain’s Pakistani-born and Toronto-resident parents issued a professionally crafted media statement claiming that their son’s actions were due to a long history of “severe mental health challenges,” which Canadian medical practitioners were unsuccessful in treating. Media reports subsequently revealed that the Hussain’s family spokesperson was a self-described supporter of the National Council of Canadian Muslims.

Ontario law grants the Special Investigations Unit (SIU) control of all public communications regarding the incident, as they decide if the police acted appropriately. While independent police oversight is important, it seems clear that the police acted appropriately by trying to stop the killer, whose suicide was in no way a consequence of police misconduct. SIU oversight should not needlessly obstruct the public’s right to know the truth, especially in cases like this one.

Journalists have filled some of the void with details about Hussain, including his past detention under the Mental Health Act, his threats of violence as a student, and his older brother’s association with a street gang that was active in both the drug and illegal gun trade. Initial speculation suggested that he targeted women, like in the April van attack in Toronto by Alek Minassian that killed 10 people.

Not surprisingly, speculation also emerged that Hussain’s motivation was Islamist terrorism, which was reinforced by the nature of the attack that has unfortunately become a recurring reality in France, the UK, the EU, Canada, and the US. The Islamist motivation speculation was significantly strengthened days after the attack, when ISIS released a statement saying that Hussain “was a soldier of the Islamic State and carried out the attack in response to calls to target the citizens of the coalition countries.”

Toronto Police Chief Mark Saunders said that police had uncovered no such links, but that the motive was still under investigation. He did not provide any information about what had been found on Hussain’s digital devices — and that remains the case today. News reports indicate that a fully armed Hussain sat outside the grocery store where he worked for six hours before walking to Danforth Avenue. It is not known why he chose Danforth Avenue.

But consider what we do know about a possible Islamist motivation:
The murderous random attack in a highly populated venue carried out by Faisal Hussain is a technique previously used by Islamists.
ISIS has engaged in an online campaign to encourage domestic attacks, such as the one Hussain carried out.
Hussain attended a mosque that reportedly preaches extremist interpretations of Islam.
ISIS has claimed Hussain was one of its “soldiers.”
Violent Islamist ideology has an undeniable history of motivating people with mental health issues to carry out terrorist attacks against citizens in Western countries.

Unconfirmed media reports also say that Hussain had been questioned by police and the Canadian Security and Intelligence Service (CSIS) about his Islamist connections, and had traveled to Pakistan and Afghanistan. The silence from police officials on this specific issue has been deafening.

Western societies have successfully deployed multiple strategies to prevent and respond to terrorism. Supporting public confidence in our public systems, including law enforcement, needs to be a component of that strategy and that includes not succumbing to political correctness or bureaucratic self-interest. The Toronto Police need to tell the public what it knows about Hussain’s murderous motivation. And if they can’t make a determination, they should say so. People can judge for themselves the credibility of what they are told; but, above all else, Canadians deserve to know the truth.

Scott Newark is a former Alberta Crown Prosecutor who has also served as Executive Officer of the Canadian Police Association, Vice Chair of the Ontario Office for Victims of Crime, Director of Operations to the Washington, DC-based Investigative Project on Terrorism and as a Security Policy Adviser to the Governments of Ontario and Canada. He is currently an Adjunct Professor in the TRSS Program in the School of Criminology at Simon Fraser University. This article was originally published by the Investigative Project on Terrorism.

https://omny.fm/shows/on-point-with-alex-pierson/danforth-shooting-still-shrouded-in-mystery

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
August 22, 2018 10:23 pm

I missed some typos, dammit!

This started out as an incoherent rant with random historical information.

My husband and Frankie were kind enough to give me constructive criticism and this is the result.They were both quite nice about it, but the truth is, it was incoherent.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Mary Christine
August 22, 2018 11:02 pm

Mary C.
Pretty good for your first time.

Maggie
Maggie
  Fleabaggs
August 23, 2018 4:02 am

It’s not REALLY her first time.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
August 23, 2018 9:10 am

For posting here, either.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Mary Christine
August 21, 2019 10:34 am

Mary C..
It’s even more fitting today. It didn’t have to be well written or coherent. It just had to be written.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Mary Christine
August 21, 2019 4:28 pm

Incoherent carries a negative connotation, I think you mean that it is not as cohesive as you would like. HF’s recent post also has a couple of typos and similarly, it starts off with one topic and ends in a spectacular fireworks show. It was sad to see both yours and his article come to an end.

I don’t think you mean that you hate —. I think you mean to say you don’t love him like you should. – Boss Pangloss

Col. Sanders
Col. Sanders
August 22, 2018 10:29 pm

https://throwflame.com/

Constitutional Cong
Constitutional Cong
  Col. Sanders
August 21, 2019 1:50 pm

Col.,

Great video, but since 1913 the warriors have been manipulated and FED (every pun intended) into the war meat grinder, with the international Bankster’s hand on the handle.

I know because I saw and helped the MIC make’s the killing sausage.

E-4 Sausage Maker

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
August 22, 2018 11:04 pm

The end should read “He is buried at a Confederate Veteran’s Cemetary in Missouri..

It’s amazing how many times you go over something you write and still it’s not..oh well.

Maggie
Maggie
  Mary Christine
August 23, 2018 4:07 am

don’t agonize… I once wrote a brilliant essay for the History of World War II class I was able to sneak into ONLY because I played the honorably discharged veteran card to the Dean of the School of History. I did learn how to use that card wisely and rarely.

So, having the honor of having a true WWII expert (Stucky remembers the Captain McGonagle taped interview. Not kidding.) to help me get a story turned into an essay into published copy… yada yada cash cow cash cow…to discuss that most interesting interview which adds almost nothing to the discussion except his strange comments which seemed, to me, at the time, random. Of course, that was 1995 and no one had heard of USS LIBERTY or the Murrah Building. Yet.

So he let me into his class and shared two of my five essays with the entire class. Anon. I am, by nature, very shy.

Oh Tay Buckwheat. Remember when we were allowed to say that in a fond reference to Little Rascals.

Well, the masterpiece in my opinion was the one I turned in on the topic of Changes in US History, explaining how harnessing the powerful greed of the free market capitalism and using it to spread democracy and propaganda about buying American throughout the world. The engine that was World War II literally covered almost all the regions of the “oppressed” world (spend your money spend your money) and suggested they liberate themselves by using Avon makeup and buying Calvin Klein jeans.

When I wordsmith, I do it. So the rhythm, cadence and flow need to be right. It isn’t the rhyming; it’s all in the timing. I finished the essay with a wonderful little blurb and suggested that Roosevelt might have been influenced greatly by his familial relationship to the Henry Luce family, who were missionaries in China. And that dollar diplomacy and the Opium Wars have a long and ugly history that seems to have ended up on our shores in the form of toxic synthetic drugs. How ironic.

Except, I identified him as President Theodore Roosevelt. As soon as I read it and caught it I was mortified. He smiled at me, took my “fixed” paper, but handed me the other, already graded. I’d gotten an A, excellent… with a tab on Theodore asking me to fix it so he could share with the class.

I felt like such an idiot. so worried about packing meaning into each word, wasting none and passive with as few as possible. If you know what I just said, you’ve read Strunk and White.

Elizario Longoria (EC)
Elizario Longoria (EC)
  Maggie
August 21, 2019 9:48 pm

I played the honorably discharged veteran card to the Dean – Cool Hand Mags

Dang, you carpet munching WAFs must have really been a wild bunch.

BUCKHED
BUCKHED
August 22, 2018 11:58 pm

As has been stated the cruel actions of one side against those who’d prefer stand on the sidelines creates monsters who can never be tamed…only killed.
Jack Hinson is an example from the War For Southern Independence .The Union killed two of his sons….he became a long range sniper killing Union Army members from as far as 1/2 mile. He killed over 100 and was never captured.

My family has been in the Carolinas since 1710…..I will never give up my heritage or my land.

Mark
Mark
  BUCKHED
August 23, 2018 12:03 am

His story was one of the best books I ever read. Made me put a night scope on my M1A.

22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
  Mark
August 22, 2019 9:18 am

Mmmmmmm yes, optics.

My Vampire 3x is an updated hi-resolution Starlight scope that goes 40 hours on a CR123 battery with no zoom, no computer crap, no cell phone connection, and it powers on instantly.

I can shoot 3/4 inch during the daytime if there is no direct sun using the pinhole cover. It’s a nice night vision for under 200 yards (in the bush) with the 40 hour battery, wide FOV, and idiot proof operation. It certainly requires an illuminator in deep darkness, but in low-light condition like dusk and dawn, fog, rain, or under a dark forest canopy, it really shines and can perform better than some units.

I reject all optics that depend on operating systems or CCDs instead of good glass, such as my 2-12×42 and 3-18×44 13 inch 18oz Leupold Firedots. Those are also hard to beat at dawn and dusk. I’m partial to the 6x zoom.

Good shootin’!

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
August 23, 2018 2:12 am

Mary Christine, an excellent piece.

Maggie
Maggie
  Vixen Vic
August 23, 2018 8:18 am

Hey, Admin or TMWNN… since I’m under the weather but not the wether, unfortunately, why not give me the big thumb, designating to all those out there that that thumb has saved them from at least ten semi-related but rambling comments that seem to be trying to go somewhere, but. Where?

So, all those in favor of Maggie having her special Power Thumb during this brief recovery, give me an Amen!

lgr
lgr
  Maggie
August 23, 2018 8:49 am

I’ll give you a moderately confused ‘Amen’, but I’m a bit slow to follow on some threads.
Scroll up to view an anonny-response to your comment in the wee hours this a.m.
WTH were you doin’ up and commenting at 3:48 a.m., as viewed time stamp on my monitor? Sheesh.

Maggie
Maggie
  lgr
August 23, 2018 9:06 am

My family and I have this little game we play called Last Minute Operation. This one involved a “resolved” condition that was either ulcerative something or other or adhesions on the upper GI tract from earlier Last Minute Operation sorties.

I’m not going into detail now, if ever, but am thinking since I really can’t be online much at all in order to live and kill bunnies another day (My Lord, you should see the young bucks around these parts. Most with Antlers.) Well, I will need to have mind occupied and completing some good ideas for once might do the trick.

And, for those who claim to despise my ramblings. And I KNOW who you are and I’m watching Que. Oops, that was a typo.

Or. Was. It.

Maggie
Maggie
  Maggie
August 23, 2018 9:09 am

And, yes, Admin… I know that if you give me a big thumb, Stucky is gonna want a big dick, but your MWNN is a programming webmaster type, not the Wizard of Oz.

Or Is HE?

Elizario Longoria (EC)
Elizario Longoria (EC)
  Maggie
August 21, 2019 10:05 pm

Anybody can have a big dick. That’s a very mediocre commodity. Every pusillanimous creature that crawls on the Earth or slinks through slimy seas has a big one. Back where I come from, we have cat houses, seats of great yearning, where men go to become great lovers. And when they come out, they have big dicks and with no more brains than you have! But they have one thing you haven’t got – a harem. Therefore, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Universitatus Communem E Pudenda Maximus, I hereby confer upon you the honorary degree of ThD…that’s Doctor of Thickology.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Elizario Longoria (EC)
August 22, 2019 10:03 am

You guys have lost touch with your inner stud. Damn, TBP done grown old in the brain. Where is your will to inseminate the mass of women? Conquer the world? Win the World Cup? Turn in your green cards, you guys are tired of winning.
—————————-
McMurphy: Well, as near as I can figure out, it’s ’cause I fight and fuck too much.”
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Men, all this stuff you hear about America not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of bullshit. Americans love to fight. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big-league ball players and the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. That’s why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war. The very thought of losing is hateful to Americans. Battle is the most significant competition in which a man can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base.

SmallerGovNow
SmallerGovNow
August 23, 2018 10:52 am

MC, great post. Seems that Clint Eastwood knew about many of the quotes here as I remember them distinctly from The Outlaw Jose Whales… Chip

Stucky
Stucky
August 23, 2018 12:53 pm

Loooong article ……. and I was sad when it ended! Great job, great story!

Kansas has a special place in my heart. Outside of basic training in TX and tech school in CO … Kansas was the first place I was stationed … Forbes AFB.

A kid from New Jersey … spending 12 months in Kansas. It was fantastic! Seeing hundreds of acres of sunflowers is a crazy beautiful sight to behold. My roommate was actually from Kansas … his family had a farm in Smith County … which is the geographical center of the lower 48 — there’s even a plaque, but I forget the town’s name. I used to beg him to let me go to the farm with him on weekends to work, even if it meant shoveling shit. Really. I loved it. He, and his parents, thought I had a fucken screw loose.

OutWithLibs
OutWithLibs
  Stucky
August 24, 2018 9:17 am

Stucky, those not from or never spending time in KS don’t understand it has beauty. Fields of Sunflowers are as breathtaking as the sunset along a beach (near where we now live)
Being born and (partially) raised in Ks during my growing years, I would love to have had a conversation with my great-great grandparents (my grandfather was born in 1893)..I was born in Ft. Scott KS, the very southeast corner about 30 miles from the MO border. I can’t imagine the fighting that must have taken place in my “home town”. A section of town is dedicated to the remains of some of the buildings still standing from the original fort. And oddly enough, we used to go to Gunn Park as a kid (I’m sure appropriately named for the time when the fort was established.)
Great read, MC. Thanks for the history.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Stucky
August 24, 2018 2:42 pm

Topeka is not the most beautiful place in Kansas but just go west a few miles and you are in the Flint Hills.

Most people think Kansas is treeless, flat and boring and yes in the very far western part that is true. Eastern Kansas has lots of hills, bluffs and wooded areas. It’s very pretty. I just got back from driving across it on my way home from Denver about a week ago. I never get tired of seeing the Flint Hills. Not too many sunflowers yet but they are really starting to bloom now.

I’m glad you liked the story.

overthecliff
overthecliff
  Mary Christine
August 21, 2019 1:47 pm

South on Hwy 77 to Matfield Green in the spring. Looking into the valley it is one of the most beautiful places in the Flint Hills.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  overthecliff
August 21, 2019 6:19 pm

overthecliff ….

If you come out of Florence and Burns, you’re on US 77, but if you are running south out of Cottonwood Falls, you’re on Ks177. The later is a bit more scenic.

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Stucky
August 21, 2019 1:44 pm

And they was right.

Anonymous
Anonymous
August 23, 2018 2:24 pm

http://www.maximebernier.com/home/

Help please:

The corrupt leftist Canadian media is not going to let this out so I am asking our American friends in the sake of freedom north of your border , please post this far and wide.

Why I Am Leaving the Conservative Party of Canada
Published on August 23, 2018
Maxime BernierOver the past few months, I have been raising policy issues which I believe are crucially important for the future of our country. This is my job as a Member of Parliament.

Moreover, it is my duty, as a Conservative Member of Parliament, to contribute to debates and to offer policy solutions from a conservative perspective. Otherwise, what is the point of being involved in politics?

I am in politics to defend ideas, real conservative ideas. Because I passionately care about Canada’s future. Because I know that the free-market conservative philosophy has the best solutions to ensure our society is more prosperous, secure, and peaceful.

However, my party’s stand on several issues have convinced me that under the current leadership, it has all but abandoned its core conservative principles.

I still cannot understand how a party that is supposed to defend free markets supports a small cartel that artificially increases the price of milk, chicken and eggs for millions of Canadian consumers.

More importantly, supply management has become one of the main stumbling blocks to an agreement with the United States on NAFTA. Former Conservative leaders Brian Mulroney and Rona Ambrose agree that it should be put on the table.

But the Conservative Party has been siding with the Liberal government. It also supports the retaliatory tariffs of the Liberal government, even though this is going to hurt our businesses and consumers. Even though Canada has no realistic chance of winning a trade war with a neighbour ten times larger. Even though we could successfully relaunch the negotiations if we put supply management on the table, and if we accept President Trump’s offer to negotiate a dismantling of all barriers, as the European Union has done.

The Liberals are playing politics with this crucially important trade file. They are endangering the 20% of our economy that depends on trade with the U.S., and Canada’s future prosperity.

But instead of leading as a principled Conservative and defending the interests of Canada and Canadians, Andrew Scheer is following the Trudeau Liberals. I was told that internal polls are showing that the Liberals’ response to Trump is popular. And that in six months, if the polls change, the party’s stand may change too.

The same thing happened in reaction to my tweets on diversity and multiculturalism. This is another crucial debate for the future of our country. Do we want to emphasize our ethnic and religious differences, and exploit them to buy votes, as the Liberals are doing? Or emphasize what unites us and the values that can guarantee social cohesion?

Just like in other Western societies grappling with this issue, a large number of Canadians, and certainly the vast majority of Conservatives, are worried that we are heading in the wrong direction. But it’s not politically correct to raise such questions.

Instead of leading the debate and pushing back against all the unfair accusations, Andrew Scheer chose to avoid the controversy. He and several of my colleagues disavowed me. They are so afraid of criticism by the Left and the media that they prefer to let down millions of supporters across the country who would like us to tackle this issue.

When the Liberal government recently renewed the unfair and inefficient equalization formula for another five years, I was the only one to criticize it. Not a word from my Conservative colleagues.

A Conservative party that supports free markets should also advocate the end of corporate welfare. It is not only the principled thing to do, it could also be popular if we defend it in a consistent way. Canadians are tired of paying taxes to bail out Bombardier, Ford and other businesses.

Instead of taking up this idea, Andrew Scheer announced that he would name a regional minister for all the regional development agencies in the country, as opposed to having only one minister overseeing them as is the case now. He wants a minister from Quebec to distribute subsidies to Quebec, a minister from Atlantic Canada to distribute subsidies to Atlantic Canada, and so on.

The conservative solution should be to abolish these wasteful agencies. What my party proposes is to make them more efficient at buying votes with taxpayers’ money.

How can we expect this party to adopt any conservative reform when it comes to power, if it cannot even articulate a clear stand and defend them before it is elected? I am now convinced that what we will get if Andrew Scheer becomes prime minister is just a more moderate version of the disastrous Trudeau government.

I have come to realize over the past year that this party is too intellectually and morally corrupt to be reformed.

I know for a fact that many in the caucus privately oppose supply management. But buying votes in a few key ridings is more important than defending the interests of all Canadians.

The whole strategy of the party is to play identity politics, pander to various interest groups and buy votes with promises, just like the Liberals.

The Conservative Party tries to avoid important but controversial issues of concern to Conservatives and Canadians in general. It is afraid to articulate any coherent philosophy to support its positions.

Every public declaration is tested with polls and focus groups. The result is a bunch of platitudes that don’t offend anybody, but also don’t mean anything and don’t motivate anyone.

Andrew Scheer keeps talking about his “positive Conservative vision.” But nobody knows what that vision is.

The Conservative Party has abandoned conservatives. It does not represent them anymore. And it has nothing of substance to offer Canadians looking for a political alternative.

If we want conservative principles to win the battle of ideas, we have to defend them openly, with passion and conviction.

That is what I want to do. And this is why as of today, I am no longer a member of the Conservative Party of Canada. I want to do politics differently. I will find another way to give a voice to millions of Canadians. And I will continue to fight for Freedom, Responsibility, Fairness and Respect.

Join the Mad Max Club

Join my team of supporters and help us bring freedom and liberty to Canada!

AC
AC
August 23, 2018 10:10 pm

Book suggestion, if you are interested in the subject matter: Jack Hinson’s One-Man War, A Civil War Sniper by Tom C. McKenney – BUCKHED mentioned it, but it’s easier to find if you have the title and the author’s name.

e.d. ott
e.d. ott
  AC
August 21, 2019 10:26 am

Thank you.
One of my first dog-eared “training manuals” was the original 1993 book written by John Plaster.
The updated version can be found on Amazon.

Mustang
Mustang
August 24, 2018 2:25 pm

A excellent book about the border war is “Black Flag” if anybody is interested.

Houston Davis
Houston Davis
  Mustang
October 4, 2018 7:59 pm

The 1999 movie with Jewel and a then unknown Toby McGuire, filmed in Mo. With a post 93 flood abandoned town,being the set for Lawrence. Called “Ride With The Devil” is, hands down, the best hollywood adaptation of the boarder wars! Get the directors cut.

America is a Donkey Show
America is a Donkey Show
  Houston Davis
August 21, 2019 3:06 pm

Houston Davis,

How can I get a copy? I have a long list of movies I want to watch, but where can I get them?

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  America is a Donkey Show
August 21, 2019 3:17 pm

Show Donkey….

Here’s the one Houston Davis referenced….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN0W1I_vIF4

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum-

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
August 21, 2019 10:41 am

Facing a future of Groveling Submission and A Dogs Death.
Are we there yet?
Welcome to 2019.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Fleabaggs
August 21, 2019 10:56 am

I think this is the essay I enjoyed working on the most because I learned so much of what has been suppressed. Today’s History.com is a perfect example. Couldn’t have done it without ya. It turned out completely different and much better than what I started with.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Mary Christine
August 21, 2019 11:11 am

MARY c..
Maybe the second time is the charm.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
August 21, 2019 11:31 am

On bended knee, I tip my hat to you, Mary Christine !

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum-

And I say this to remind myself:

“……… Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.”

Nice intro, Flea !

Grog
Grog
August 21, 2019 11:42 am

Quite off topic, but there is at least one issue I always had with Marion Mitchell Morrison.

He always seemed to play the part of a Union participant/ patriot/sympathizer.
The movie Dark Command (1940) is a good example as John Wayne plays the part of an unassuming Texan who
defeats the villainous William Cantrell (played by Walter Pidgeon).

Re: “While acting as the upstanding citizen in public, Cantrell is dangerously ambitious and is prepared to do anything to make his mark, and his fortune, on the Territory. When he loses the race for marshal, he forms a group of raiders who run guns into the territory and rob and terrorize settlers throughout the territory. Eventually donning Confederate uniforms, it is left to Seton and the good citizens of Lawrence to face Cantrell and his raiders in one final clash.”

The good news is, that one should NOT depend on Hollyweird for honest or truthful history.

RS
RS
August 21, 2019 11:58 am

Just read the book.
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22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
  RS
August 21, 2019 9:46 pm

Book are better than the internet.

I polished this off in the slammer not too long ago. It’s fantastic, despite being a Princeton puff piece that does not delve into the Lincoln re-election hoax and the assassination hoax.


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http://ouleft.org/wp-content/uploads/Battle-Cry-of-Freedom_The-Civil-War-Era.pdf (900 pages)

Lincoln hoax: http://mileswmathis.com/lincoln.pdf

None Ya Biz
None Ya Biz
August 21, 2019 12:33 pm

I had read all this a couple of years ago. Especially about how Quantrill dies

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
August 21, 2019 1:29 pm

I thought it was fascinating, and informative. One of my favorite books is Cloudsplitter (a fictional account of John Brown with a focus on Bloody Kansas) and this was a great bookend to that event.

A lot of little bits caught my attention, specially this one-

“There was a city ordinance that said that no man could carry a firearm in Lawrence. They were all packed away in an armory. That left the entire town defenseless.”

Sound familiar? How’d the no-gun ordinance work out?

As I was doing chores yesterday a thought went through my mind, I am from a family of killers. Generation after generation of us from Trenton and Princeton, Seven Pines and The Wilderness, The Somme and Meuse-Argonne, Kasserine, Anzio and The Leyte Gulf, Pleiku, Grenada and Panama. It felt weird to think of us like that, the men in our family being pretty nice people who never get into any trouble or cause any problems having no issue with taking up arms and doing something so out of character because it was asked. I can only imagine what is possible if it becomes essential for our survival.

America does not have a tradition of a warrior class- no Bushido, or Spartan training, no Prussian system nor Feudal knighthood, but rather citizen soldiers who walk away from their farms and shops, take up arms and join the fight whenever or wherever they are needed and then put them down and return to our lives- or in some cases to an eternal rest- when that service is over. I don’t think that the people who are trying to ignite this next conflict understand how dangerous their own population is and just how close we are to responding to the provocation. And where before they were protected by the safety of the North American continent, now their enemies are embedded in every nook and cranny of our society.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Hardscrabble Farmer
August 21, 2019 3:01 pm

I came across a lot of old newspaper articles when I was researching for this piece. The war of words between the sides before the actual shooting started seemed to echo the war of words you see today. I worry for my grandkids. Especially the boys.

22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
  Mary Christine
August 21, 2019 4:56 pm

Is this the paper you mentioned was forthcoming? I know time is precious.

I’m no defender or critic of Quantrill, but the part about him saying FTA (fuck the Army) after the first “line ’em up and shoot ’em all down battle” makes perfect sense to me.

daniel
daniel
  Hardscrabble Farmer
August 21, 2019 4:29 pm

better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in war (jap proverb i believe)

22winmag - Discharged in 1993 those were the days
22winmag - Discharged in 1993 those were the days
  Hardscrabble Farmer
August 21, 2019 4:49 pm

Mark HSF do you have time for coffee and a smoke in the morning?

I don’t smoke and didn’t want to drop by unannounced at a poor time.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer

Shipping cattle tomorrow, rest of the week looks good, morning is best.

22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
  Hardscrabble Farmer
August 21, 2019 9:41 pm

Okay, the missus says hello. I just want to talk about which way the wind is blowing.

22winmag - Discharged in 1993 those were the days
22winmag - Discharged in 1993 those were the days
August 21, 2019 4:41 pm

Wow, this is an article I’ve been waiting for.

Step out for a moment and 100+ comments!

You know my feelings on the matter.

You need only watch Red Dawn (1984) and First Blood (1982) to understand the origins and the attitudes of the American Guerilla.

22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
22winmag - Q is a psyop and Drumpf is lead actor
August 21, 2019 5:05 pm

Unless previous comments to this article were merged somebody is/was posting with my handle. Perhaps I’m not the only one affected. Take all comments with a grain of salt from here on out (until they pull the EBT plug or Giant Meteor or whatever.)

John Galt
John Galt
August 22, 2019 8:44 am

I feel like such a fool for being so ignorant after reading this enthralling piece. MC great job. Wow.
Seems the “civil” war had it leftist libtards that were doxxing people and the free speech of the press with fake narratives way back then too. Seems they were also targeting people even the innocent. Yankees Taking revenge on innocent families and farms because their opponents men were conscripted or volunteered to serve their own interest and defend their dirt by joining the confederate army seems petty. All that did was piss off some very capable boys to seek blood thirsty revenge. When todays left pisses of another set of boys and men the word “racists” will bounce off them like sand on steel. They will have endured so much leftist crazy that when the time comes to have there own Lawrence Raid it will make Quantrill look like a silly novice. Seems we are in the pre stages of something very similar. Even from the looks of our corrupt yankee corrupt govt And all the 3 letter sham agencies that have been corrupted by the deep state. Seems the left have always put other interest before their own country. They killed their countrymen because of slavery. Today it seems the left want to do the same for illegal immigrants. This wont end well.

Bear Claw Chris Lapp
Bear Claw Chris Lapp
November 8, 2021 10:01 am

Quote of unknown origin:

The most terrifying force of death, comes from the hands of “Men who wanted to be left Alone”.

They try, so very hard, to mind their own business and provide for themselves and those they love.

They resist every impulse to fight back, knowing the forced and permanent change of life that will come from it.

They know, that the moment they fight back, the lives as they have lived them, are over.

The moment the “Men who wanted to be left Alone” are forced to fight back, it is a small form of suicide. They are literally killing off who they used to be. . . .

Which is why, when forced to take up violence, these “Men who wanted to be left Alone”, fight with unholy vengeance against those who murdered their former lives. They fight with raw hate, and a drive that cannot be fathomed by those who are merely play-acting at politics and terror. TRUE TERROR will arrive at the Left’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy . . . . but it will fall upon deaf ears.

Wilbur Ross
Wilbur Ross
  Bear Claw Chris Lapp
November 8, 2021 10:44 am

I guess our Guerilla war fizzled out. Too bad.
We don’t see good articles like this anymore. Also too bad.

DWEEZIL THE WEASEL
DWEEZIL THE WEASEL
November 10, 2021 11:12 am

It has been and still is observed: History is written by the winners. As far as that period of American History is concerned, the real truth will always be ignored, except by those who take the time to read the journals of those who lived through it.
As far as the troubles of the present are concerned, you will not see real guerilla movements get going until the economy gets a lot worse. Or, this corrupt and syphilitic government at all levels goes forward with their “vaccine mandates” for all and the die-off starts in earnest. Bleib ubrig.