If “Emissions” Actually Mattered . . .

Guest Post by Eric Peters

The only electric cars that make sense are being phased out in favor of those that don’t.

Hybrids are electric cars without the electric car’s gimps – or costs. They can run without burning gas – but when you run out of electricity, you don’t have to wait for a charge to get going again  . . . because hybrids carry around their own chargers.

They do have batteries – but they’re smaller and so cost less.

And because they’re used less – hybrids alternate between gas and electric power for propulsion – they last longer. And even if an aging hybrid’s batteries do wear out and won’t hold any charge, you’ll still have more range than a new electric car with a new battery pack.

They also emit less – more on that below.

Naturally, they’ve got to go.

Well, some of them.

GM and VW just announced they are abandoning the practical, functional, economical and environmental in favor of the not. Henceforth, they will “focus” on electric cars exclusively.

“Our strong preference is to go all-in where the market is heading,” VW CEO  Scott Keogh told The Wall Street Journal.

Except the market isn’t heading there. The mandates are – but that’s a very different thing.

Hybrids are falling out of favor because . . . well, because they’re sensible. That’s not said, of course. The stated complaint is that they still burn gas, damn them. But very little gas. And very little in the way of emissions, too – since the gas engine in a hybrid is generally about 30 percent smaller than in an otherwise similar non-hybrid vehicle and so burns significantly less gas even when it is running.

It’s also not running at all much of the time – and burning no gas.

Mix the two and you get almost zero emissions.

But not quite zero – and that isn’t good enough for the zealots in charge of the regulatory apparat which spews the increasingly unhinged mandates that have created the “market” for impractical, expensive, inefficient and environmentally offensive purely electric cars.

Which are the only cars that meet the arbitrary “zero emissions” at the tailpipe regulatory standard – even though they probably produce more of some emissions in the aggregate than hybrids. Carbon dioxide emissions, interestingly enough.

Because electric cars are high-performance cars. They need big, energy-sucking batteries and motors to deliver Ludicrous Speed.

Hybrids, in contrast, are designed for economy. Which is another way of saying efficiency.

High-performance (an indulgence) takes a back seat to high mileage and by dint of that, hybrid emissions are extremely low  . . . because a smaller engine that isn’t designed to produce a lot of power doesn’t burn much gas.

If it doesn’t burn much gas, it doesn’t produce much gas.

The archetypical hybrid –  Toyota’s Prius –  isn’t quick. It takes about 10 seconds to get from zero to 60 – but it averages 54 MPG. Everything about the car’s design – not just its drivetrain – is focused on maximizing efficiency – which by default reduces the output of all combustion byproducts – including carbon dioxide. The gas which is supposedly (but not actually) going to kill us all within the next 10 years or so.

Or at least, drown some of us.

The Prius doesn’t deliver Ludicrous Speed, so it doesn’t need a high-performance battery pack. Its smaller battery pack and smaller electric motor use less electricity – and most of that is generated “locally” by the highly efficient and nearly “zero emissions” gas engine.

Which only runs some of the time and never burns coal – or fuel oil.

All-electric cars like Teslas burn both – and excessively.

It’s necessary – if you want Ludicrous Speed.

High-performance requires bigger batteries, stronger electric motors – and these require more electricity.

Which is produced largely by coal, oil and natural gas utilities – emitting carbon dioxide in the process . . . more carbon dioxide than if the cars drawing the electricity from the grid weren’t energy hogs.

The typical EV has more in common with a ’60s muscle car than any modern economy car. The main difference is political. It is outre to burn gas – even in very small quantities that results in the production of extremely low – essentially nonexistent – emissions, including carbon dioxide emissions.

But it’s ok to drive a current-sucking EV because it doesn’t emit any gas . . . directly.

Even though more gas (C02) is produced – remotely – by the burning of coal, oil and natural gas to feed the high-performance EV’s high-performance batteries.

EVs are popular with the affluent – who want to signal their virtue – but not if it means driving something like an ungainly and far-from-speedy Prius. A Tesla is sexy and speedy. It blows Corvettes away – and goes over well with their friends who drive BMWs and Porsches, also soon to be electrified.

But their emissions aren’t zero.

And unlike hybrids, they make as much sense for most people – who need to think about things like cost and range and recharge times – as driving around the block to cross the street.

It’d be funny if it weren’t so sad.

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17 Comments
Iska Waran
Iska Waran
August 22, 2019 2:25 pm

Zealots fucking everything up, as usual.

I was just looking at used Priuses on Craigslist this morning. Looks like you can get 2010-2011 model for $6,000-7,500 with fewer than ~ 140,000 miles or so. What do you all think of that (aside from it being an obvious pussy magnet)? When the main issue is cheap transportation, what’s better – a used Prius or something like a Nissan Versa or Ford Focus – taking into account both gas mileage and insurance cost?

TomMacGyver
TomMacGyver
  Iska Waran
August 22, 2019 3:12 pm

I like, and own, the Chevy Volt; cool car, cool concept for propulsion. I drive 75 miles, round trip every day, on a combo of freeways, surface streets, and hills. I get 89 MPG or better. My Jeep used 5 gallons of fuel per day. The Volt, in a really bad week, will use 4.5 gallons of fuel… PER WEEK, and costs about $1.50 per night to charge. I get around 44 miles out of the batteries before the car’s generator takes over providing electricity for the motors. If you only use the car for short-distance driving, there’s a good chance you’ll never use fuel at all!

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
  TomMacGyver
August 22, 2019 4:50 pm

A Chevy Volt had a Government subsidy of over $250,000 per unit. Supposedly they can go 300,000 miles before the battery croaks. Based on your numbers, that’s about 11 years of use for you. That’s about 2574 gallons of gasoline which amounts to about $6435 if gasoline costs $2.50 per gallon. Your electric cost would be for that 11 years about $6022. Your total fuel cost would run about $12,457 for that 11 year lifespan. The net cost for the taxpayer: $237,543. Yep, you’re getting a good deal because everyone else is getting fucked out of that $237,543. Damn, you are getting a good deal!

AC
AC
  Iska Waran
August 22, 2019 3:14 pm

With hybrids, you have a whole other drive system to cause problems for you. The LiIon batteries have about 500 useful charge/discharge cycles in them, and after 7 or 8 years of driving . . . .

The older (non-hybrid, non-electric) Honda and Toyota cars are probably a better choice than Nissan or Ford – maybe look at older Civics and Corollas? Avoid turbocharged engines.

The Honda Fit might be OK, but their reliability seems to be worse then other Hondas. Worth a look, though, if cheap is the main concern.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Iska Waran
August 22, 2019 4:15 pm

Check out Scotty Kilmer on Youtube … he says, forgetaboutit.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Iska Waran
August 22, 2019 5:02 pm

A friend has a Prius and claims he gets 75mpg driving around town. He has had it for 5 years and loves it.

TomMacGyver
TomMacGyver
August 22, 2019 3:08 pm

What you’re describing is not a “hybrid,” such as a Prius, but a “gasoline/electric,” such as the Chevy Volt. Hybrids use both a ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) and electric motors/batteries to propel the vehicle; both are connected to the transmission. A gasoline/electric uses only electric motors to propel the car. The batteries are charged at a charging station, and will run the car for about forty miles. When the batteries are exhausted a small engine starts and generates electricity to run the electric motors. There is no connection between the engine and driveline. They produce so little in the way of emissions that even the Peoples’ Republic of Commiefornia exempts them from smog inspections!

…Yes, the Chevy Volt is the best of both worlds, and yes, it has been phased out… for whatever stupid reason…

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
  TomMacGyver
August 22, 2019 4:34 pm

I doubt that the Chevrolet Volt can be much good at anything, considering that the Government subsidies on it was over $250,000 per vehicle. No more subsidies means no more Volts!

Matt
Matt
  TomMacGyver
August 22, 2019 10:38 pm

There is no connection between the engine and driveline.

It’s been a while since I’ve read the engineering details, but I don’t think that’s true. IIRC they use a multi-source transmission, similar to but not identical to what a Prius uses. What you’re describing is a “serial hybrid” design – effectively a locomotive with batteries on the electrical bus. When I learned of the hybrid car concept long ago, I thought that was going to be the common design, but it hasn’t turned out that way.

the Peoples’ Republic of Commiefornia exempts them from smog inspections!

That was true for the Prius, too, but they of course eventually changed that.

gatsby1219
gatsby1219
August 22, 2019 4:00 pm

Without CO2, we all die.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  gatsby1219
August 22, 2019 5:00 pm

SHHHHHH. That is a secret we cannot let the public know or they will quit sending lots and lots of money for our climate change agenda. If we do not send TRILLION$, the world will end in 12 years. I know this because the brainiac AOC told me and she wouldn’t lie, would she?

WestcoastDeplorable
WestcoastDeplorable
August 22, 2019 9:39 pm

I bought a 2012 Prius Plug-In that looks just like the “Foam mist” one in the photo; got a $9,500 check from SCAQM for trading in my old “polluter” (A 2001 Buick LeSabre with about 120k that would pass smog) which I paid $8,400 for and put 80k on. I’m 2 payments from paying her off. Gas tank fillup is usually 5-7 gallons (I think the tank holds 10 gal); MOST of my driving is on the EV only; the internal combustion engine only kicks on if I punch it (and it needs more HP), or when the EV range is exhausted. Even now, with 82k on the clock, I’m getting a Plug In EV range of 9.1 miles, more than enough for most consumer missions. I haven’t needed to do any repairs, just maintenance and tires. I’m running Goodyear Hi-mileage and can get 65 or 70 mpg, even on long trips. It’s a cool car, has Sat radio, Nav, electric PS, and the A/C works with the engine off, runs off the battery.

If you can find one, buy it. They’re dirt cheap.

But here’s a question; should I drop the Comp/Collision that’s costing me almost double on insurance?

Karl
Karl
  WestcoastDeplorable
August 23, 2019 10:50 am

Are you accident prone?
How much has the insurance paid you for claims in the last 10 years?
If y0u do something stupid , can you write a check for a new ( replacement ) car?
I had that ins. on a new truck I bought in 86. Dropped it when the truck value fell to $3000. 4 years old. It was a mini truck $6500

Lostokie
Lostokie
August 22, 2019 11:13 pm

For some time, I’ve thought the point of forcing us to drive all electric cars is control. It curtails how far one can travel in a limited amount of time, thereby keeping us tied to a finite area.

Rossa
Rossa
August 23, 2019 8:12 am
yahsure
yahsure
August 23, 2019 11:40 am

My dad had a Prius and they worked fine and averaged 51 MPG and the batteries did not work great in the winter but it still was ok. Roomy and fast. 95 MPH all the way up a 15 MILE 6% grade. Yes, the little pony engine was screaming all the way. It sounded like an outboard motor to me. A better engine would have been a small diesel to assist the batteries.