Is Trump At Last Ending Our ‘Endless Wars’?

Guest Post by Pat Buchanan

Is Trump At Last Ending Our 'Endless Wars'?

Among those objecting most loudly to an American withdrawal from the forever wars of the Middle East are those who were the most enthusiastic about plunging us in.

The backstage struggle between the Bush interventionists and the America-firsters who first backed Donald Trump for president just exploded into open warfare, which could sunder the Republican Party.

At issue is Trump’s decision to let the Turkish army enter Northern Syria, to create a corridor between Syrian Kurds and the Turkish Kurds of the PKK, which the U.S. and Turkey regard as a terrorist organization.

“A disaster in the making,” says Lindsey Graham. “To abandon the Kurds” would be a “stain on America’s honor.”

“A catastrophic mistake,” said Rep. Liz Cheney.

“If reports about US retreat in Syria are accurate,” tweeted Marco Rubio, Trump will have “made a grave mistake.”

“The Kurds were instrumental in our successful fight against ISIS in Syria. Leaving them to die is a big mistake,” said ex-U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, “we must always have the backs of our allies. ” But of our NATO ally of almost 70 years, Haley said, “Turkey is not our friend.”

Sen. Mitt Romney called it a “betrayal”:

“The President’s decision to abandon our Kurd allies in the face of an assault by Turkey is a betrayal. It says that America is an unreliable ally; it facilitates ISIS resurgence; and it presages another humanitarian disaster.”

Trump tweeted this defense of his order to U.S. forces not to resist Turkish intervention and the creation of a Turkish corridor in Syria from the eastern bank of the Euphrates to Iraq:

“The Kurds fought with us, but were paid massive amounts of money and equipment to do so. They have been fighting Turkey for decades. … I held off this fight for … almost 3 years, but it is time for us to get out of these ridiculous Endless Wars, many of them tribal, and bring our soldiers home.”

When, in December, Trump considered ordering all U.S. troops home from Syria, Defense Secretary James Mattis resigned in protest.

Behind this decision is Trump’s exasperation at our NATO allies’ refusal to take back for trial their own citizens whom we and the Kurds captured fighting for ISIS.

The U.S. has “pressed France, Germany, and other European nations, from which many captured ISIS fighters came, to take them back, but they … refused,” said a Sunday White House statement. “The United States will not hold them for what could be many years and great cost. … Turkey will now be responsible for all ISIS fighters in the area captured over the past two years.”

What are the arguments interventionists are using to insist that U.S. forces remain in Syria indefinitely?

If we pull out, says Graham, the Kurds will be forced, for survival, to ally themselves with Bashar Assad.

True, but the Kurds now occupy a fourth of Syria, and this is not sustainable. We have to consider reality. Assad, the Russians, Iranians and Hezbollah have won the war against the Sunni rebels we and our Arab friends armed and equipped.

We are told that the Kurds will be massacred by Turkey’s President Recep Erdogan, who sees them as terrorist allies of the PKK.

But the Turks occupied the Syrian border west of the Euphrates and the Kurds withdrew without massacres. And how long must we stay in Syria to defend the Kurds against the Turks? Forever?

If we depart, ISIS will come back, says Cheney: “Terrorists thousands of miles away can and will use their safe-havens to launch attacks against America.”

But al-Qaida and ISIS are in many more places today than they were when we intervened in the Middle East. Must we fight forever over there — to be secure over here? Why cannot Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States deal with ISIS and al-Qaida in their own backyard?

Why are ISIS and al-Qaida over there our problem over here?

“This will throw the region into further chaos,” says Graham.

But if Trump’s decision risks throwing the region into “further chaos,” what, if not wholesale U.S. intervention, created the “present chaos”?

Consider. Today, the Taliban conduct more attacks and control much more territory than they did in all the years since we first intervened in 2001.

Sixteen years after we marched to Baghdad, protests against the Iraqi regime took hundreds of lives last week, and a spreading revolt threatens the regime.

Saudi Arabia is tied down and arguably losing the war it launched against the Houthi rebels in 2015. Iran or its surrogates, with a handful of cruise missiles and drones, just shut down half of the Saudi oil production.

Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is awakening to his nation’s vulnerability and may be looking to negotiate with Tehran.

Among those objecting most loudly to an American withdrawal from the forever wars of the Middle East are those who were the most enthusiastic about plunging us in.

And, yes, there is a price to be paid for letting go of an empire, but it is almost always less than the price of holding on.

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34 Comments
Shark
Shark
October 8, 2019 6:59 am

If Trump can finally end the endless U.S. interventions in the Middle East and stop wasting our nation’s treasure and blood, he’ll have pulled off a miracle. I’m sick to death of the hawkish old men who will risk nothing and want to sacrifice whole generations of our best young men on Quixotic crusades to make the world ‘safe” – – as if that were possible. Maybe the Kurds were loyal allies, maybe not. So, reward them appropriately and let the Kurds come here if they like…if they want to stay in that sewer, then their fate is their choice. Free will, and all that.

Donkey
Donkey
  Shark
October 8, 2019 9:30 am

You dumbshit. Invite more useless eaters into America? SMH

overthecliff
overthecliff
  Donkey
October 8, 2019 11:25 am

Iraqi and Syrian Christians,maybe.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Shark
October 8, 2019 10:20 am

Leave them with the means to defend themselves. This is a war that has been ongoing for centuries and we have not made an appreciable difference.

We have to support the Saud family as they are the ones who keep the USD as the world’s fiat currency for purchasing oil. Without that distinction, our whole economy will collapse.

mark
mark
  TN Patriot
October 8, 2019 11:34 am

TN,

The first 10 minutes here is directed at the various possibilities of the withdrawal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUv0dEcvXLOf4ZFvjCahK4Lw&v=h4w6TB2DRJM

22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
  mark
October 8, 2019 12:11 pm

American Intelligence Media seems to promote:

Anti-American Twitter, full of British intelligence
Steve Pieczenik, CIA limited hangout troll
Trump, Netanyahu’s puppet

mark
mark
  22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
October 8, 2019 12:41 pm

I gotta laugh…when I posted this site I said to myself: “Self .22 will post against them.”

Look .22, I take the best bits and pieces from many sites, pundits, bloggers that I have investigated and vetted, and fit them together into a bigger picture that forms my world view based on evidence. I do that for the Spiritual, cultural, political, and economics. No one is 100% dismissed or taken word for word until I have hard interconnected evidence.

Even Mathis has some true bits and pieces but I don’t take EVERYTHING he spouts or anyone else as the 100% truth on everything..

One of your problems is sweeping dismissive pronouncements against everyone: organizations, individuals, millions of people unless they fit neatly into your preconceived puzzle picture.

This vid below completely refutes your dismissal above. Massive accurate history here. If you’re not going to actually read/listen to it, please don’t respond – we will just agree to disagree.

You often ignore counter evidence, and that is not a debate, it’s talking to a wall.

The British Pilgrim Society is explained here and for 120 years they have been foundational in all you (and I) rage about…read and watch the vid here and keep an open mind.

https://americans4innovation.blogspot.com/2019/10/vladimir-lenin-communism-were-created.html

flash
flash
October 8, 2019 7:03 am

In case neo-clown Congress fails, AIPAC actives the evangelicals , more commonly known as faux Christians to pressure Trump into keeping the perpetual war for Israeli expansion hot.

Evangelical leader Pat Robertson told his sizable audience that President Donald Trump might lose the “mandate of heaven” for announcing that U.S. troops would abandon northern Syria to Turkish forces.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/pat-robertson-warns-trump-on-turkey-and-syria

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  flash
October 8, 2019 7:28 am

Murdering civilians, destroying countries in a false flag war will get you to heaven.

22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
  Vote Harder
October 8, 2019 12:12 pm

Look up Christian Dominionists, such as Palin, Pence, DeVos, and so forth.

I’d rather take my chances with Sharia Law than those assholes.

James the Deplorable Wanderer
James the Deplorable Wanderer
  22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
October 8, 2019 7:08 pm

You would have NO chance with Sharia Law – AFAIK, you’re not Islamic, and therefore expendable – at first opportunity.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Vote Harder
October 8, 2019 9:59 pm

They believe supporting “Israel” will, as per Gen 12:1-3.

Not in this dispensation.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
October 8, 2019 7:10 am

1) Simple. They trade their stock on Wall Street based on how many bombs they produce and drop. More bombs dropped = more money. It’s a war for Wall Street profit. There is no money made in peace. Endless wars generates a higher GDP and MIC profits. Smedly Butler agrees with me.

2) Trump could be freeing up troops in one area to start a war in another area, like Iran, Yemen, NK or Venezuela. A failing president will often use this tactic to preserve his image and save his ass.

Bob The Retard
Bob The Retard
October 8, 2019 8:32 am

If you’ll refer to JFK’s decision to pull out of ‘Nam I think you have the answer.

anarchyst
anarchyst
October 8, 2019 8:35 am

Let’s not forget the zionists, who control congress. I am sure that the warmongers in congress got their “marching orders” from tel aviv or jerusalem and will do whatever it takes to please their jewish “masters”…

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
October 8, 2019 9:15 am

Col. Douglas MacGregor pointed out last night that brilliant reintroduction of strategy into US Policy with Trump’s bailing on Syria……Here’s what happened:

Trump told Erdogan….”OK, big boy, you can invade Syria if you want and beat on the Kurds….but we don’t have your back you are on your own bitch.”

This simple statement (likely paraphrased but maybe not) has the following impacts:

Erdogan must recalculate how bad he wants to attack the Kurds and establish a Sunni enclave in Syria vs blowback from the Russians, Shia in Iran and Assad plus of course the terror attacks from the Kurds in Turkey proper. Ouch. Turkey owns it and if they fuckup by say releasing 15,000 ISIS prisoners…..I suspect Trump let them know he will hold Erdogan responsible!

Iran now has to confront Turkey to maintain the landbridge to Lebanon to fund/arm Hezbollah for the coming fight with Israel……

The Kurds, the fucking little commie bastards that they are, will likely ally with Assad and mostly calm the fuck down if Turkey backs off….good.

Assad will likely lick his wounds and consolidate if Turkey backs down or go all-in with Russia as his chances are better without US air cover and the chance of killing US personnel…..again not our problem…..and that’s the beauty.

By getting out the local/regional players have to think about their own interests, using their own resources and we are not adding fuel to the mix…..I suspect things calm down much quicker.

BTW Fuck the Kurds….rat commies, who cares, they are not allies but partners of convenience.

We need our troops home to fight our own domestic commie insurgency……(4D chess anybody?).

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Martel's Hammer
October 8, 2019 10:27 am

I also saw Col MacGregor’s comments and thought they made a lot of sense. I have long been a supporter of bringing most of our troops home from overseas bases. Leave the equipment and a small contingency to protect/maintain it, in case it is needed for rapid deployment.

The troops would provide a greater degree of protection to the U S by deploying along the southern border to repel the invasion that has gone unabated for decades.

22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
  Martel's Hammer
October 8, 2019 12:17 pm

Federal troops don’t get involved in domestic insurgencies.

The Marines current fake mobilization “in support of civil authorities” will fade.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
October 8, 2019 2:17 pm

Err except in the last civil war, the tumultuous 1920s, 1960s, etc. The stupid, ignorant and crazy is exceptionally strong with you.

Ginger
Ginger
  Martel's Hammer
October 8, 2019 4:38 pm
Anonymous
Anonymous
October 8, 2019 9:25 am

what was the cry during the early 70s ? no blood for oil

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  Anonymous
October 8, 2019 10:32 am

In case you haven’t been paying attention the entire exercise since 9/11 has been about blood for oil, yes, but more so about maintaining our USD as the world’s reserve currency….any nation that attempts to trade oil for anything other than USD gets mauled……Iraq, Libya, Iran (mauling aborted by Trump thank God.)

TC
TC
October 8, 2019 9:43 am

Ending the needless wars and meddling in the ME? Not quite. More like putting them on hiatus until the next election is over since they are unpopular with 98% of the population.

22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
  TC
October 8, 2019 12:18 pm

Exactly, and the status of Netanyahu overrides everything when it comes to Drumpf.

yahsure
yahsure
October 8, 2019 9:45 am

Provide air support for the Kurds and wipe out any Camps/prisons where ISIS is being held. All this trying to fight wars without killing people is BS.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  yahsure
October 8, 2019 10:37 am

While I appreciate the thought (believe me I want to nuke them all daily)….it is better to just remove our fuel to the fire…..they will fight amongst themselves as they have done for millennia but not so effectively and without the same blowback….let the savages use low-grade chemical weapons (Chlorine mostly), drills and the ubiquitous AK’s/RPGs etc. to inflict localized mayhem and suffering…..not our problem. The lie of 9/11 was that by leaving AQ alone in Afgh. they pulled off 9/11 so we should be engaged over there before “they” attack us here……BS….

mark
mark
  Martel's Hammer
October 8, 2019 11:36 am

Yep.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
October 8, 2019 11:17 am

After what we’ve seen the last 60 years, no one should join the American military. You’re just enabling these never-ending foreign wars. What if they threw a war and no one came?

overthecliff
overthecliff
October 8, 2019 11:24 am

UH,NO!

22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
22winmag - 1/4 Jew 3/4 Anarchist
October 8, 2019 12:05 pm

Buchanan = Clickbait titles like Michael Snyder and squishy cheese-whiz analysis.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  TC
October 8, 2019 3:38 pm

Good find! Don the Con and Neocon.

KaD
KaD
October 8, 2019 9:36 pm