We May Not Have a 2020 Election

Submitted by RiNS

Renowned author and journalist James Howard Kunstler is not sure there is going to bed a 2020 Presidential Election. Kunstler predicts, “When all is said and done, I am not convinced there is enough there to convict President Trump of anything. At the same time, there is probably going to be a lot of legal actions brought against the people who started this coup against him, and that’s going to be extremely disturbing to the Left. I think one of the possibilities is we may not have a 2020 election. In some way or another, the country may be so disorderly that we can’t hold an election. There may be so much strife that we cannot handle the legal questions around holding the election, and it may be suspended. I don’t know what that means, but I am very impressed of the disorder that we are already in. It’s more of a kind of mental disorder between the parties, but it could turn into a lot of kinetic disorder on the ground and a lot of institutional failure.”

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Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
October 30, 2019 9:27 am

Well since 2016 was the USA’s first failure to peacefully transfer power….just not even having an election is not an illogical step. I suspect we will have an election…..but much like 1860, it will just be another milestone on the march to the civil war (the dirty war, kinetic kind). No matter who wins the conflict is baked in the cake at this point.

Brewer55
Brewer55
October 30, 2019 9:29 am

Or more simply put we are very close to a SHTF moment. I couldn’t agree more.

22winmag - w/o tagline
22winmag - w/o tagline
  Brewer55
October 30, 2019 11:04 am

Better vote harder or sign the next Psyop petition.







Show up in person to the next Bundy-ranch-style fake-patriot rally, get shot and plowed into a ditch.

That’s how they took care of the first wave everywhere else.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  22winmag - w/o tagline
October 30, 2019 9:10 pm

Miles Mathis – the truePsyop,,,,

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
October 30, 2019 9:57 am

“When all is said and done, I am not convinced there is enough there to convict President Trump of anything.

Then whats all this about? Are the dems and RINO’S privy to something we are not? Pseudo evidence, pre-ponderance of evidence, circumstantial evidence, no evidence, guilty until proven innocent?

Well these are the very things that are putting some American citizens in jails today. The whole criminal legal system has been flushed down the toilet. There is no due process of law anymore. You have to prove that you did not do something. Can this perversion of justice go all the way to the Whitehouse also? Then the US is a lawless nation operating under strict powers of ‘color of law’, not actual law. Congressional hearings may operate like a Soviet politburo. Isn’t that what much of criminal courts do today? Civil war followed by martial law is the only possible outcome. Maybe that’s the Hegelian dialectic they’re trying to implement.

Our current ‘illegal system’.

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Martel’s Hammer
Martel’s Hammer
  Vote Harder
October 30, 2019 10:01 am

It is about power, nothing more. Dems have triggered Lord of the Flies.

PI
PI
  Vote Harder
October 30, 2019 10:08 am

Excellent cartoon.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  Vote Harder
October 30, 2019 11:45 am

VH….right on target again.

“Then whats all this about? ”

Incarnation of the son of perdition.

” Can this perversion of justice go all the way to the Whitehouse also?”

Rhetorical question?

“Then the US is a lawless nation operating under strict powers of ‘color of law’, not actual law.”

And for me, that opens up the whole tunnel of admiralty law, the gold fringe on the flag, the London bar association………what a frikken mess !

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <<———==

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  ordo ab chao
October 30, 2019 12:46 pm

“admiralty law”. Leaned about that through Jordan Maxwell.

BL
BL
  Vote Harder
October 30, 2019 12:55 pm

Vote- That was seriously interesting IMO. Every time I sign a contract and my name is in all caps I know just how owned I truly am.

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius
  ordo ab chao
October 30, 2019 8:45 pm

Vote Harder said,

“Then the US is a lawless nation operating under strict powers of ‘color of law’, not actual law.”

Then….

Ordo said,

And for me, that opens up the whole tunnel of admiralty law, the gold fringe on the flag, the London bar association………what a frikken mess !

BINGO! BANGO! BONGO!

BAM! Now the conversation is getting good!

Keep it rollin!!

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius
  Vote Harder
October 30, 2019 8:41 pm

Vote Harder,

Great insights, thoughtful speculation and a GREAT political cartoon! Much Truth is conveyed through it.

I have grown accustomed to enjoying your comments. Keep em coming!

BL
BL
  Plato_Plubius
October 30, 2019 10:32 pm

Plato- If you are not savvy to admiralty law, please take the time to look into this. Corporate law also which has eroded this government and aided multinationals in ruling over us all. These are the topics which are sorely needed for understanding how we got here and how it can be overthrown. Party politics is pure theater and a waste of the reader’s time. That unfortunately is how we spend our days here on the platform.

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius
  BL
October 31, 2019 1:03 pm

I have gone down the Admiralty/Maritime system rabbit hole. Our corporate statement, fictitious business names our parents unwittingly signed us into the system with our “birth” certificates.

WE are so intertwined with this corporate Admiralty system that living on the outside of it is near impossible. Take this guy’s story for instance:

https://www.modbee.com/news/local/article236232408.html

A Modesto man is paying the price for a 1955 decision he had nothing to do with. Mark Hernandez Chacon can’t renew his driver’s license, can’t work, can’t fly and can’t draw on the Social Security he paid into for more than four decades.

All because Eva Hernandez Chacon, who raised him as her son, gave him the birth certificate of her child who died at just 8 days old. When authorities discovered that fact more than 60 years later, it wasn’t long before they came knocking — loudly and early in the morning — at his door….
“When Dad opened door for them, four officers rushed at him to bring him down to handcuff him,” she remembered. “We have no idea why they came in with that much force. I’m telling them, ‘He can’t go down to his knees because he had a knee replacement and his leg doesn’t bend right. He’s not resisting you.’”

Shoeless and still in nightclothes, the family — Chacon and his wife, Aguilar and her daughter — was ordered outside while the house was cleared.

“I can only assume they thought we had an ID-theft ring operating in the home,” Aguilar remembered. The investigators took her dad’s prints and found nothing, she said. They kept insisting he was not cooperating, and demanding that he tell them who he really was…

This is why I say most people won’t even blink an eye when asked to get chipped as part of their citizenship within this Admiralty corporate farm system.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Plato_Plubius
October 31, 2019 1:44 pm

Plato..
May I add that we are the payer of last resort on all the fiat debt denominated in dollars. If we default they simply demand our children and all the natural assets in and on the ground.

EC
EC
  Plato_Plubius
October 31, 2019 2:00 pm

I better have a sit-down with my mamacita. Am I who I think I am or am I somebody else?

BL
BL
  EC
October 31, 2019 10:59 pm

EC- After your last family get together, I am convinced that you are from a different clan and somehow dropped off at the wrong house by the stork.

Dung Beetle (EC)
Dung Beetle (EC)
  BL
October 31, 2019 11:18 pm

Nah, we’re all jerks so it’s the right house.

Anymouse
Anymouse
October 30, 2019 10:07 am

my prediction:
Trump Vs Warren

and just like in 2000, the race is “too close to call” so they send it to the supreme court, and of course Trump is then elected.

but not before the left attempts to impeach the sitting president, which will also fail in the senate.

you have to realize, these people in DC have been smelling their own farts for so long, they do not even notice the stench, this is why they continue on their loosing path – they actually think they are winning.

prediction#2: once Trump is elected for his second term, Barr and co begins prosecuting the minor coup plotters, to keep them busy while they all turn on each other. The big fish will swim free, but those two looser strauk and page, they will be the fall guys.

If you are on TV, you don’t get touched (clapper, brennen, probably Comey will get a tv job soon)

overthecliff
overthecliff
  Anymouse
October 30, 2019 10:36 am

…unless they rat out their superiors. Prison might be preferable to committing Arkancide.

22winmag - w/o tagline
22winmag - w/o tagline
  Anymouse
October 30, 2019 11:08 am

Could always do the Presidential “leave of absence” thing.

It’s actually what Bibi may do in Israel (yeah, right).

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
October 30, 2019 10:30 am

I saw that this morning, too. It’s worth watching. I wonder if he will make that statement in his blog?

M G
M G
  Mary Christine
October 30, 2019 10:43 am

It is interesting to see through the eyes of Nova Scotia from time to time!

I was trying to envision exactly HOW the suspension of the election would be announced. Or would they just PRETEND to hold it?
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See that, Mary? A quilted wall hanging, pieced by my Aunt Mary, quilted by my Mennonite friend and custom framed (now) for our anniversary. When I picked this up at Hobby Lobby, framed, every woman in the placed gasped out loud and asked “Did you PAINT that?”

Am setting up my new profile picture to include the “Autumn of Our Lives” as I am naming it.

RiNS
RiNS
  M G
October 30, 2019 11:36 am

Another bit of synchronicity..
Gotta say with you and MC
I am keeping good company.

I listened to this earlier today and was immediately struck with how well it parallels with what Admin has been saying for years. How we are in the midst of a great unraveling in this fourth turning. Having been on the wire for years it is becoming increasing apparent that as the darkness approaches it is wise to lay low, keep an ear to ground and watch for the spooks on the perimeter.

The flares being sent up right now by the opposing sides, are just the probing actions of a fundamentally broken dialectic. Soon enough the weak spot will be found in perimeter.
Once that happens and the fuse is lit, well….

Let the Heroes man the Hogs.

My takeaway from interview..

{the edited version}

Chris didn’t listen but got lucky anyways…
I don’t plan on taking that chance..

I am planning to DD…

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  RiNS
October 30, 2019 1:07 pm

Rins…

I watched an hour long deal on TV a week or so back, on Vikings. It told of a King Bluetooth…..and ended up saying the Bluetooth phones were made in Denmark and named after him…..?

Anyway, I agree with what you posted here, except for the “4th turning” part. I hope Kunstler’s wrong, which would make me wrong. I’ve been saying 2016 would be the last election of any normalcy since not long after the “we owe her a debt of gratitude for her many years of service”, and “they’re good people” comments from Trump.

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <—-== that's what it's all about

RiNS
RiNS
  ordo ab chao
October 30, 2019 1:25 pm

Thanks for posting.. I didn’t now that..

who knew..

the vikings was the first people to have wifi…
Learn something everyday…

BL
BL
  RiNS
October 30, 2019 1:30 pm

Odin was on their side RiNSe. Vikings were the coolest.

M G
M G
  M G
October 30, 2019 12:15 pm

Really all I did was pick out the frame.

Literally.

And, the Autumn theme really is sort of relevant.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  M G
October 30, 2019 1:07 pm

That’s really nice, MG. Have you got a picture of it in the frame you picked out?

M G
M G
  ordo ab chao
October 30, 2019 8:54 pm

I can in a bit. It is a unique wall hanging. My aunt was a mathematics teacher and now she cuts lovely fabric into small pieces and sews them back together in new designs with unique perspective.

M G
M G
  M G
October 30, 2019 9:03 pm

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okay… it hangs on the wall across from my balcony aka “lady loft.” I am planning a family photo on the landing at Thanksgiving to feature the wall hanging in a tribute to my aunt (father’s sister), now in skilled nursing care.

It is that season of our lives: Autumn.

And whoever downvoted that lovely picture can kiss my grits. (They put that crap show Mel’s Diner/Alice on out here, so “kiss my grits” is back in the vocabulary.)

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  M G
October 30, 2019 10:00 pm

That looks amazing! I like your wood trim, too!

M G
M G
  Mary Christine
October 31, 2019 7:31 am

It is a lovely wall hanging.

We have more wood trim around here than anything.

RiNS
RiNS
  M G
October 31, 2019 7:18 am

It does look amazing Maggie! Pretty cool house too!

M G
M G
  RiNS
October 31, 2019 7:32 am

I need a “dusting bunny”

BL
BL
  M G
October 30, 2019 2:38 pm

That is truly outstanding Mags. Wow!

M G
M G
  BL
October 30, 2019 9:10 pm

I have only a very few quilts left. I gave most of them away. Some were so nice they appraised in the thousands of dollars.

Who needs a blanket that is worth thousands of dollars?

So, I gave them to people who seemed likely to appreciate being able to display a blanket that no one should sleep on.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  M G
October 30, 2019 9:57 pm

.

22winmag - w/o tagline
22winmag - w/o tagline
October 30, 2019 10:59 am

Not happening and not happening.

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 30, 2019 11:20 am

Clearly the left is incapable of seeing anything.

Kunstler is evolving. There has been over consumption and governments around the world cant tax their way to meet all the “obligations ” as Kunstler put it.

We hold this truth or better termed REALITY on our side.

The Left lives in FANTASY LAND.

I think we have ambush on our side.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
October 30, 2019 11:25 am

Either a peaceful transfer of totalitarian power or the other kind of transfer. One way or the other, the totalitarianism won’t stop and neither will the power and its abuse.

22winmag - w/o tagline
22winmag - w/o tagline
October 30, 2019 11:49 am

RiNS, I bothered to listen and was only slightly disappointed.

Near the end Jim laments the downward trajectory media has taken and quips, “If I was a younger guy, I might start a local newspaper.”

Probably not a bad idea. I used to work for a [shekelburger owned] company that spent endless billions of dollars to vacuum up over 1,000 locally-owned newspapers nationwide back in the 1990s. They didn’t do it to be friendly. They did it to replace 1,000 LOCAL OPINION COLUMNISTS with their script-approved columns.

Fake news is old news. Trump still spouts the worn out term too often.

Now, charging and disappointing and throwing the book at coup operatives? Sure, that’s already been done successfully.

https://www.wmur.com/article/former-hassan-staffer-sentenced-to-probation-in-doxxing-incident/29629523

BIG FISH operatives and plotters? Well, for anyone who knows the legal system, BIG FISH criminal trials would take YEARS and YEARS with impossible-to-manage discovery! Literally too big to jail. Any lawyer who isn’t a full of shit will back me here.

BTW, if anyone wants to fling boogers at FAKE NEWS (which is old news) they can start with the White House press pool.

Just don’t be too hard on OANs Chief White House Correspondent!
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Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  22winmag - w/o tagline
October 30, 2019 12:13 pm

Ahh, PopGun22….why don’t you just come clean and tell us that you, in fact, are a government shill, a paid troll hoping to stir up enough shit that when the time comes: TBP will be shut down due to the violent and aggressive antisemitism and anti-government rhetoric (promoted by you ceaselessly). That you spend most of your days at your Federal office building tapping away comments here and under different names on various other websites. Nobody likes a snitch…..

You really aren’t fooling anybody at this point…

Ottomatik
Ottomatik
  Martel's Hammer
October 30, 2019 8:12 pm

You can always spot the undercover FBI agent in any group, he/she is the one suggesting committing crime.

IluvCO2.
IluvCO2.
  Martel's Hammer
October 30, 2019 9:18 pm

I can verify he ain’t that. He really believes it.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer
  IluvCO2.
October 31, 2019 12:53 am

Popgun certainly fits the profile of an agent provocateur or a mental patient though it could be both.

RiNS
RiNS
  22winmag - w/o tagline
October 30, 2019 12:17 pm

Well it warms the cockles in my heart that you weren’t too bothered….

I do see the value in listening the Kunstler. Him being a dyed in wool Liberal and it is nice to see that, as mouse 11:20 sez, he is evolving.

Testing bias and confirmation forces one to keep head down
Situational awareness is what matters when live rounds are being fired from all sides.

mark
mark
  RiNS
October 30, 2019 1:15 pm

“Situational awareness is what matters when live rounds are being fired from all sides.”

Yep…and payback is still a motherfucker.

RiNS
RiNS
  mark
October 30, 2019 2:45 pm

…and when shit gets real there is no such thing as friendly fire..

EC
EC
October 30, 2019 12:34 pm

That baloney was bandied about just prior to the 2016 election. Before that, the story was that George Bush was the last Republican president. Urban legends keep evolving.

Brian Reilly
Brian Reilly
October 30, 2019 12:38 pm

The farcical “elections” will always result in furthering the interests of the powers that be, so it does not matter if there is another staged performance next November. This is all about obfuscation through entertaining, mis-directing bullshit. The aim is to keep everyone so confused that we allow them to take all our property and put the cuffs on ourselves and our children. Trump, Biden, Warren, Gabbard, none of them matter one bit, and never will. If it suits the furthering of the big guy’s interests, then there will be an election. If not, then not. It will have to be a hell of a big mess needing cover up if they feel the need to skip an election, but it is possible. Not likely, though.

Llpoh
Llpoh
October 30, 2019 7:27 pm

Impeachment is for high crimes and misdemeanours. Even if Trump asked a quid pro quo, was it in fact a crime? Doubtful at best. And there is a lot of testimony that no quid pro quo was offered.

It is a witch hunt.

Ottomatik
Ottomatik
  Llpoh
October 30, 2019 8:14 pm

Increasingly Desperate Which Hunt.

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius
  Llpoh
October 30, 2019 9:19 pm

It is kabuki theater

M G
M G
  Plato_Plubius
October 30, 2019 9:46 pm

I was thinking today, when reading that Epstein was strangled, that if I went to a theater where the plotting was as bad as all of this is, I would walk out.

Unfortunately, we are not able to just walk out. Tune it out for a time, I suppose.

BL
BL
  M G
October 30, 2019 11:51 pm

MG- Why do you think I have begged for new script writers so many times over the years? Heck, we could write better material than this Mags.

M G
M G
  BL
October 31, 2019 11:15 pm

Did you see my vignette about how the Road Runner was such a DIVA that Coyote got more and more frantic in his attempts to seize the scrawny bird with help from ACME?

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
October 30, 2019 9:05 pm

Lipoh, you know that having no high crime or misdemeanor makes no difference.. Impeachment is a political argument and not a legal process. The communists will impeach Trump when they have enough votes not when they have enough evidence.

IluvCO2.
IluvCO2.
  Overthecliff
October 30, 2019 9:22 pm

well put.

Dung Beetle (EC)
Dung Beetle (EC)
  Overthecliff
October 30, 2019 9:43 pm

Impeachment is this year’s Bogeyman.

DC is so full of doomers that make everything sound ominous.

A congressional investigation can lead to impeachment.

Impeachment is an indictment.

It is not a conviction

or removal from office.

Bill Clinton was impeached. Big whoop. He went on to fame and riches.

M G
M G
  Dung Beetle (EC)
October 30, 2019 9:46 pm

And to Epstein Island!

Ottomatik
Ottomatik
  Dung Beetle (EC)
October 30, 2019 11:26 pm

Not to quibble EC, but this farce is not an Impeachment Investigation, it is an Impeachment Inquiry.
Notice the constant use of the term, they cannot risk an actual Investigation because god only knows what that would turn up and blow up in thier faces.
No.
This is new. This is an Inquiry. They just fuckin invented it, and that is what they are voting on tomorrow. They are going to cast a spell and bring to life a new weapon, a method for a select group of power players to do whatever they like in secret, and like Pelosi is so fond of…Tell us about what it is after they pass it. You know, so we can find out whats in it.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  Overthecliff
October 31, 2019 1:10 am

This Impeachment BS is all about optics. The dems are pushing an agenda and a narrative, the objective is to regain power and put one of their own in office. They will lie, posit false stories and, after the implication of wrongdoing has been left, the usual tactic is to double down on the lie even when confronted and called out for lying. Maxine Waters does nothing but attack Trump for shit he wasn’t remotely involved in. She does this to reinforce the impression that Trump is bad and capable of doing what she claims he’s done, and she goes beyond that and makes volatile statements like he needs to be in prison, never ever stating WHY he needs to be in prison.

Like the old story of the attorney who impugns the witness by asking him how long it’s been since he quit beating his wife, the implication for wrongdoing is laid out and the integrity of the witness questioned with absolutely no facts or truth in evidence. Most people aren’t intelligent enough to question, instead they take things at face value. The dems count on this.

Not Sure
Not Sure
October 30, 2019 11:15 pm

51.
After years of questioning (from the 2016 election) if we have a chance at taking back the US from the communists, it’s looking like the only winner will be chaos. I’m thankful for the life I’ve lived Up to this point and only grieve for my kids and what they will soon be facing.

It doesn’t matter what Trumps policies are or if he’s done something wrong or not; half of the country has declared him a monster and as such, the torches and pitchforks are being gathered for the mob to storm the castle.

There was a time when the democrats were on the ropes, maybe a few weeks after the election, where they may have been put out of our misery by the patriots who were fed up with all the PC and global warming BS, but the never Trumpers and the unelected government peons who knew “what was good for the country” made sure the rebellion would not be quenched. The plotters have in the meantime perfected their game by conditioning the masses to believe anything they say, as long as it furthers the goal of taking the president down.

There isn’t much left to do now, except pray that the demented democrats may push their insanity too far and the masses begin to see through their conditioning and turn against them. But as for me, I think I’ll go shopping at Hobby Lobby for some autumn themed decorations to brighten my living space.