Pardons, Military Discipline and the Burden on Our Troops

Guest Post by Kurt Schlichter

Pardons, Military Discipline and the Burden on Our Troops

The predictable elite wailing and gnashing of teeth over President Trump’s pardons of various American warriors accused or convicted of alleged war crimes is typically tiresome. To our elite, the only good soldier is one who goes full Deep State – never go full Deep State – and collaborates with the ruling caste, or one who is in jail. That’s it. The rest are expendable pawns to be deployed to protect vital American interests like [Kurt consults his notes to make sure he has this right] obscure border disputes between significantly communist militias and a NATO ally on the side of the significantly communist militias.

I care nothing about what bow-tied bureaucrats, posing pols, and media hacks think. I care about our troops – but caring about our troops does not necessarily mean being ecstatic about this turn of events.

To the extent the pardons show that the president will back our troops where there is any doubt whatsoever, good. Our troops have a politically correct chain of command that the force perceives as far too willing to sacrifice them on the altar of field grade and flag officer careers when they make tough decisions.

To the extent the pardons show that he will square away those convicted in the ridiculous witch hunts that followed Trump’s outrageous crime of beating Stumbles McMyturn, good. When it’s politically safe, Trump should pardon everyone caught up in Mueller’s crusty coup.

To the extent the pardons irritate the elite, good. This presumptively makes them something we should support, though that presumption is rebuttable. Real war crimes must be punished.

To the extent that these pardons send a message that it is okay to violate military rules and the laws of war, it is less clear. Here’s the thing: we have a hyper-partisan political culture and the military brass is not immune, as we have seen in Congress lately. Its conduct in some of these cases has been utterly shameful.

For example, in the case of Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher, the JAGs literally used malware to spy on the defense team. Think about that. The JAGs literally used malware to spy on the defense team. Judge Schlichter – me in a hypothetical, not my mom in reality, since she was a judge – would have dismissed the entire case and referred the lawyers for prosecution themselves. It’s craziness. And it’s corrupt. A corrupt prosecution cannot stand – let’s put Adam Schiff aside for a moment – even if the accused is guilty of offing some ISIS punk.

But, of course, the Navy JAGs’ prime witness got on the stand testified that he, not Gallagher, offed the ISIS punk. As a lawyer, this would have been kind of embarrassing. It was the ultimate Perry Mason moment, if Perry Mason was an idiot.

So, Gallagher had to be entirely exonerated because of prosecutorial misconduct, and since the military justice system did not have the integrity to enforce the standards – for shame – then it was right for the president to do so.

Now, it does appear that Gallagher did take pics of and with dead enemies. This corpse desecration thing seems to come up a lot. On one hand, it’s against the regs, so you shouldn’t do it because it’s against the regs and NCOs should not violate the regs. On the other hand, I’m not convinced that the thought process behind these regs – we don’t want to make the enemy mad by expressing contempt for the scumbags we kill – is particularly coherent. Perhaps demonstrating our contempt for the dishonored dead makes more sense than prissily observing respect for them, respect their living pals would never show us (See, e.g., the treatment of our dead in Somalia in 1993). Disposing of the likes of Bin Laden and al-Baghdadi with respect instead of dropping their maggoty carcasses into a pig sty has not seemed to earn us any cred with the jihadi gang, so why not send a different message: “This is your fate if you screw with us.”

But it was against the rules, and Gallagher apparently did take a selfie with a stiff, and rules are important – vitally important in warfare. A military force has a structure of commissioned and non-commissioned officers for several reasons (planning, organization, logistics), but also, vitally, to impose control over a bunch of young men with deadly weapons. History is replete with examples of what happens when young men in the middle of war slip out of control.

Military discipline matters. But so does backing your guys’ play when they make tough, ugly calls.

Major Matt Golsteyn, an ex-Green Beret, was accused of killing an Afghan bomb maker. It was not in a firefight. He apparently sought the guy out and shot him. If they guy was a bomb maker, Golsteyn probably saved the limbs and lives of many Americans (and Afghans). But you are not allowed to freelance hits on the enemy, which itself seems odd since it is a war.

And this all comes at a time when our elite forces are wracked with indiscipline. Look at the Mali murder, or the SEAL platoon withdrawn from deployment for drinking and other bad acts. Military discipline is essential. Do these pardons undercut it, or should these acts have been addressed outside the legal system? Golsteyn lost his Silver Star, his Special Forces tab and his career for this. Was that enough? Did they have to try to put him away for life?

Again, he apparently violated the rules, but then we have a rule which apparently means you can’t kill an enemy in a war zone. The fact that it’s a war zone and this enemy is drawing breath and we can’t take him out seems…troubling. Are we serious about this being a war or not? If it’s war, you kill the enemy, and if the enemy happens to be home in bed so what? But then, there are rules of engagement and you can’t have field grade officers ignoring them. See the problem?

I led soldiers. I know the importance of discipline. I also know history and human nature. We can’t put our troops out into a hostile fire zone where the enemy has no rules but can hide in plain sight behind ours, killing at will but being immunized from being killed by regulations, and not expect that status quo to grow untenable.

Similarly, Army First Lieutenant Clint Lorance was pardoned after doing six years of a 19-year stretch for having his troops shoot an alleged Taliban dirtbag outside the rules of engagement. Members of his own platoon testified against him, while the testimony of local Afghans was, shall we say, controversial. Even if he did it, was two decades in stir right? Or was six appropriate? Or maybe just a discharge? Or should he have got a medal?

I might care more if any of them would be doing time by Bowe Bergdahl, but they wouldn’t. He arguably caused American injuries and deaths, and he walked because Bergdahl was the kind of soldier our elites love.

It’s also important to understand that these cases are outliers. Some war crimes are so obviously wrong and dishonorable no one in uniform has a second thought frying the perpetrators. At the other extreme are the men and women in uniform who do their job every day within the bounds of rules and regulations that often make no sense.

These pardons come in cases that are not crystal clear, where the alleged acts brought no personal gain but arguably protected our troops even if they allegedly violated military law. Unlike Bergdahl, who the military justice system essentially let off, none were traitors. I guess I’m happy that these nightmares have ended for these warriors and their families. I remain unhappy that they were put in that situation in the first place.

On a lighter note, if you like thrillers that mock political correctness, you can pre-order Collapse, my hard-hitting sequel to People’s Republic, Indian Country and/or Wildfire. The Kelly Turnbull novels have been hailed by Bill Kristol as “Appalling,” so that’s a thing that occurred!

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Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious
November 21, 2019 6:54 am

What a crock of shit.

No one should blindly follow an order. No one. The murdering swine known as the grunts in the military are the reason the ‘elite’ can survive. The military is their ultimate source of their power because the military is full of morons.

My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military.
Smedley Butler

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
  Solutions Are Obvious
November 21, 2019 8:18 am

Definition of “U.S. Military”:

Protecting freedom by serving the elite who want to destroy freedom.

PI
PI
  Solutions Are Obvious
November 21, 2019 11:15 am

“Murdering swine grunts”. You’re an emotional child among a growing contingent of same @TBP. A “man” such as you would have to sit on his mother’s shoulders just to kiss a grunt’s ass.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious
  PI
November 21, 2019 11:23 am

So, you’re saying that the troops killing civilians in the ME without a declaration of war are not murderers? Would it be OK with you if those same troops killed members of YOUR family? My statement is factually correct. Prove me wrong.

You should also realize that letting your emotions get the better of you only shows you to be a shallow thinker, incapable of mounting a cogent response due to, maybe, lack of mental prowess?

You wouldn’t be a member of the murdering swine class would you? How about an offspring with no morals or brains enough to stay out of the military?

PI
PI
  Solutions Are Obvious
November 21, 2019 1:58 pm

This will be my final response as I’ve neither time nor inclination to waste on you. I realize you’re unaware of it but you’re emotionally stunted. You never grew up. I’m sorry for you and the life you live.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious
  PI
November 21, 2019 2:14 pm

If character assassination is the best you’ve got, then by all means go away, you’re boring.

I realize you can’t respond to my questions as that would show your true character. Adios.

Donkey
Donkey
  PI
November 21, 2019 2:23 pm

PI,

I have stepped in some muck on TBP when sharing my beliefs concerning the military just like some commenters on this thread. Some truly terrible things have been said on TBP. I have much respect for those I have sparred with (ex-military) because they realize it now that they were used. NOT because I enlightened them. No, they already knew that, it just took a heated conversation for us to hear each other. Looking back at it now, Fleabags and Mark are real stand up type guys. I consider them to be great people who were taken advantage of when they were young (Fleabags and Mark, I hope that is not offensive to say). They lost friends, brothers, fathers etc to the MIC. Fucking bastard MIC. I would never say the things I’ve said on TBP to my dear departed Stepfather inlaw but I too am as pissed off as the commenters on this thread. He was retired Air Force and he was a good man and my relationship was worth much more than an honest conversation that would ruin that. That being said, it is much easier for people to give their true thoughts and feelings online. This is a good thing. The truth is the “thing”. If you are military, I do not think most here would blame you outright (I see that some do though). The government uses young men in horrible ways. They use young men’s natural instincts against them with lies and bullshit. It is being said that Nationalism is bad. I think that is true but ONLY when the government uses it. They use it to justify killing people all over the world. Is it a young man’s fault? I think it is but only when they come to the realization that they were lied to. Then it is their fault for continuing down that path. I am not ex-military and I have no family members who served in any other way than as a conscientious objector and I have much respect for that.

PI, I would just say that, we as citizens, have a right to question our government’s actions. They mismanage everything. They lie, cheat, steal, kill etc etc. Why would anyone who realizes that TRUTH, give their autonomy over to them? America is nothing I grew up believing it was. In so many ways, I am glad the Air Force turned my daughter down. Praise the Lord.

mark
mark
  Donkey
November 21, 2019 4:24 pm

Ok Donkey here is my say,

I announced in 1963 at 13 to my family I was going into the Marines after HS, and did. Serve your country, become a man, see the world, and get the GI Bill, to me it was an adventure and a smart plan. Every single man in my family served in the military in either WW2 or Korea. I didn’t see enlisting as my turn to serve, more of my chance! I was scared when I enlisted, really scared, because Nam was raging, older guys from my town had come home in a box, or missing a limb or two. But at that time I also went to fight Communism, I was a hawk, and I backed up my talk. War, as much as it scared me, was the rite of passage all the men in my family, both sides, experienced.

In a couple of weeks I will turn 70, I wrote this poem in 1971 when I was 21.

ALL THAT I WANTED…ALL THAT I FOUND

I wanted to experience life
Instead I took it
I wanted to become a man
But became a guerilla
I wanted to be brave
But became crazed
I wanted to be strong
But turned cold and hard and brutal
I wanted to follow my conscience and convictions
But lived by raw animal instincts
I wanted to help defeat my country’s enemies
But found my country had betrayed me
I wanted to do what was right
And almost drowned in the wrongs
I wanted to be a hero
But returned a slandered casualty

From the rose colored glasses
Of a teenaged idealist
To the sunken glazed stare
Of a shell shocked veteran
All that I wanted
And all that I found
Are questions screamed in my mind
That never make a sound

I have already been kicked in the balls here once over a Nam related poem last year (not by you Donkey) so I make no apologies to anyone over my past. Anyone who wants to call me any more names for my time as a nineteen year old, read where I was at – at 21, and kiss my Mick/Wop ass. (Not you Donkey – we’re buds).

I didn’t start digging into the Kennedy hit, the FED, the Tolkien Gulf FF, the MIC, until my early 40’s in the early 90’s. Then the internet came along and sped up the process. Then 911 and finally dustification completely confirmed all my interconnecting festering suspicions.

As a former Grunt here is what I have learned and cling to from my time on the hump:

1. A wide and deep appreciation for the wonderful basics of life:
• Unlimited clean water
• Unlimited nutritious food of endless variety
• A roof over my head
• A comfortable bed
• Time to sleep and rest
• No one trying to kill me

2. A deep appreciation for the core of a normal life, a common uneventful day.

3. The experiences, knowledge, and combat skills to defend my family and myself far, far past the average American.

4. The freedom (for now – it’s not looking good for the future) to worship God as I believe, own land and property, live where I want. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights (even in its degraded current form).

5. The opportunity to have a family, a successful career, save and live on my own farm without debt.

6. A chance to grow old with my wife.

I’m a lucky old Grunt.

God Bless all the other Vets, I hope they find peace, I have, but it was a process…not an event.

Donkey
Donkey
  mark
November 21, 2019 5:50 pm

Very nice, Mark. I’m glad your Mick/Wop ass made it back alive.

mark
mark
  Donkey
November 21, 2019 8:03 pm

Donkey,

By the hair (I barely had wiskers) of my chinny, chin chin.

Here is my poetic close for all the scarred Vets on this thread…keep in mind there are many parts, and much of the military experience that is to be treasured…it is a ‘crucible’ an ‘incubator’ that can only be understood (with knowing smiles) from the inside. So there will always be that too.

WHILE STRUGGLING TO BE STRONG
Too painful to remember
Too horrific to forget

Flashbacks of the past
But then again yet

Can it be the trials
And prices that were paid

Add up to the sum
Of the survivors we are today?

And can it be in fire
Brotherhood was learned

While struggling to be strong
Our scars were brutally earned

Then coming of age
The men and women we are today were born

The fight with the gory past will never cease
Until we all meet…the Prince of Peace

The first time I heard this on the radio I was driving down RT. 35 in Jersey, in a 72 MG Midget with the top down…by the end of of the song I wasn’t crying…I was weeping.

We all went down together…

Donkey
Donkey
  mark
November 21, 2019 10:39 pm

Mark, I’ll be in NJ for Thanksgiving. Are you from there? If so, you and Stucky will be on my mind. 🙂

mark
mark
  Donkey
November 21, 2019 11:06 pm

Donkey,

I am…made my final escape in 84 and moved to Texas (after two separate stints in New Orleans) and never looked back.

Me being born a Yankee is just proof of God’s sense of humor. He has been playing practical jokes on me for a long time!

Flea is a NJ refugee also. We actually were raised not far from one another.

Stucky lives in Plainfield, right up the road from where I miss-spent my miss-spent yout.

Safe travels!

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  mark
November 21, 2019 11:41 pm

Donkey.
I was on a farm about 25 miles south but in the same county. We actually had farms in those days.

Donkey
Donkey
  mark
November 22, 2019 12:29 am

Flea/Mark,

I’m going to Robinsville. I’ll have to see how far away that is from your 2 childhood towns as well as Stuck. Funny, I thought of asking Stucky to meet me for coffee while I’m up there in case he needed an outlet from his troubles.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Donkey
November 22, 2019 1:13 am

Donkey.
I lived about 20 mi N.E. of Allentown NJ 2 miles east of Cranbury . In fact, my little farm is still there but grown over. The house we built is still there even though everything on the other side of the road is retirement homes.

M G
M G
  Donkey
November 22, 2019 7:23 am

Day 33, but who is counting?

M G
M G
  mark
November 22, 2019 7:22 am

I count my blessings every morning. And then I make him breakfast.

PI
PI
  mark
November 21, 2019 9:03 pm

Beyond awesome brother. Thank you.

mark
mark
  PI
November 21, 2019 9:58 pm

You bet PI…It don’t mean noth’in…

M G
M G
  mark
November 22, 2019 7:32 am

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mark
mark
  M G
November 22, 2019 11:37 am

Wow Maggie,

My MOS was 0331 the M-60…Guns Up! Are two words that I will never, ever forget. I never saw that pic before, it grabbed me…I actually snapped back in my chair when I saw it.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=it%20don%27t%20mean%20nothin%60

Outside of the internet I live an intentional secluded life, soon to be behind two gates because of the shitstorm I believe is coming. It appears to me more and more people of all types and stripes are being red and black pilled, and many waking up to the realization that historically everything, I mean everything we have been taught in school, learned through the media, and have heard from our government are lies, propaganda, misdirection, false flags, sedition, treason, manipulation, bullshit, brainwashing, and an endless Kabuki theater of Luciferian globalist bankster puppet master lies as they pull most of the world’s strings leading U.S. all down the road to perdition.

As usual Flea had a pointed and powerful comment to those who want to shoot the wounded.

M G
M G
  mark
November 22, 2019 7:20 am

As a former Grunt here is what I have learned and cling to from my time on the hump:

1. A wide and deep appreciation for the wonderful basics of life:
• Unlimited clean water
• Unlimited nutritious food of endless variety
• A roof over my head
• A comfortable bed
• Time to sleep and rest
• No one trying to kill me

2. A deep appreciation for the core of a normal life, a common uneventful day.

3. The experiences, knowledge, and combat skills to defend my family and myself far, far past the average American.

4. The freedom (for now – it’s not looking good for the future) to worship God as I believe, own land and property, live where I want. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights (even in its degraded current form).

5. The opportunity to have a family, a successful career, save and live on my own farm without debt.

6. A chance to grow old with my wife.

I’m a lucky old Grunt

I kind of thought that was worth a pullout and repeat.

Donkey
Donkey
  Donkey
November 21, 2019 10:47 pm

I hope I’ve made it clear that I respect those who do the right thing as they know it. Knowing the right thing, though, in this world is getting more and more unclear. As a citizen of the US and a person who believes in borders and love of country, I just want the military to be defensive and not offensive.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
  Donkey
November 21, 2019 11:44 pm

Donkey.
Allow me to add, Onshore defensive as opposed to offshore invasions to prevent imaginary attacks.

nkit
nkit
  Fleabaggs
November 21, 2019 11:53 pm

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Solutions Are Obvious
November 21, 2019 3:02 pm

War is a Racket !

mark
mark
  Anonymous
November 21, 2019 5:56 pm

And the racketeers wear three piece suits while their 535 Capos make sure the vig is collected on time.

Steve
Steve
November 21, 2019 7:01 am

War is war and your job is to kill the enemy, right? Wrong. We have a PC culture and sometimes (when convenient) we can’t kill the enemy we created ( like Isis and Taliban) because the are pawns. Sometimes they are protected by our govt( we supplied buses to move Isis fighters and their families) and used in very specific applications for political reasons.
What a stinking pile of shit we have created in the ME….bring em’ home…

CCRider
CCRider
November 21, 2019 8:00 am

Remind me again who are the Union invaders and who are the Southern defenders.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
November 21, 2019 8:30 am

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MrLiberty
MrLiberty
November 21, 2019 11:35 am

When you volunteer to participate in a war crime, there should be no sympathy. One could make the case that every military action since 1945 has been a war crime….but certainly since 1975.

Vote Harder
Vote Harder
November 21, 2019 11:54 am

There is following orders and ordering followers.
This pretty much explains the ones ordering followers!
6.4 Trillion Reasons To End America’s Forever Wars

freda lavey
freda lavey
November 21, 2019 1:38 pm

Military justice is to justice as military music is to music.

Pequiste
Pequiste
  freda lavey
November 21, 2019 6:07 pm

And in many cases the military version of either is superior:

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs
November 21, 2019 4:09 pm

I try to avoid these type of articles and debates because they dredge up emotions and memories I would rather leave on the bottom of the pond. I’ve made my amends to the best of my ability and time but those “Things” are still there in the background.
Here is what i’d like to say about it. Have any of you who lump all servicemen into the same bundle ever gone over to the local bank drive thru window and told you aunt Millie who works there she’s a murdering swine grunt. How about your congressman. Have you written to your 401K manager and demanded that he remove any and all stocks that have any dealings with defense contractors after you called him a murdering swine grunt. Have you written the Treasury Secretary and called him a murdering swine grunt because he issues bonds that are used to bomb entire countries into oblivion. Have you gone to an Antifa rally with a sign saying they are all murdering swine grunts for supporting several of the worst murdering swine grunts since 1945. Have you gone to a MAGA rally and called them murdering swine for supporting a white house that has dropped more bombs than obummer in the same amount of time. Most of you are against these wars but you haven’t done anything to quit supporting the banks and buying the products of companies who support these wars. You who support the troops in spite of all we now know about our war machine might want to examine your methods. Maybe you can look on them like you would a sick friend instead of thanking them.
Unless you’ve actually been in the military, maybe you should consider abstaining from commenting on the grunts and focus on who’s sending them out so they can return without a soul. There is a reason so few of us Nam Vets who were really there are still living and most of them would not be considered as living. There is a reason why the new batch of Vets are offing themselves at such an alarming rate. Until the Spiritual sickness in america is recognized, nothing will change.

Donkey
Donkey
  Fleabaggs
November 21, 2019 5:52 pm

Fucking MIC.

Pequiste
Pequiste
  Donkey
November 21, 2019 6:08 pm

An amen for hating, loathing, and despising The Evil Fuckers!

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  Fleabaggs
November 21, 2019 7:31 pm

Mark, Donkey, Flea I have the utmost respect. I am sorry for your trials, but have learned much from you.

M G
M G
  ILuvCO2
November 22, 2019 7:41 am

Wow…These are tumultuous times.

Thisisme
Thisisme
  Fleabaggs
November 24, 2019 12:36 am

But I will thank you for this…
“Maybe you can look on them like you would a sick friend instead of thanking them.”

Thisisme
Thisisme
  Thisisme
November 24, 2019 12:38 am

And that’s how you build a bridge.